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Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:03:00 - [31] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 14:04:19 Originally by: Liam Galagher ...you cannot beat bob + allies under current tranquility conditions. cause in order to seriosly damage such an alliance it takes several huge fleet fights with numbers equal to F-T fight or even bigger. wich is not possible right now. check the comments on forums concidering the f-t disaster. Your argument is flawed however, since you use a fight where 'a big entity' was destroyed as example that 'a big entity' can't be destroyed.... The F-T fight DID finish off one of the biggest fighting entities this game has seen..... only it wasn't BoB, it was the Coalition (as a unified fighting entity, not individual parts). Since then, the 'Coalition' has not shown itself, but was fragmented into small parts that could be killed individually. You're also ignoring the reality that in the last 1/2 year, two alliances of similar or greater numbers than BoB have been destroyed, ASCN and D2. Alliances are generally killed by internal collapse, not by pew-pew.... Any alliance can be beaten, but it requires you to be more determined than them... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Xtreem the pets could revolt, which would mean way too many fronts to fight for any allaince. I love this. The pets.. I've been gone for several months and pop back in to start catching up on what's been going on and I see that some people still think calling friends of BoB pets is the cool and "in thing" to do. Fact is not all of the folks that are friends of BoB are so called pets by any shape of the meaning. Most of them aren't willing to revolt at this point because they're seeing positive growth after great battles fought with and against BoB. I think some of you people take things far to seriously and need to consider midol as part of your daily dietary requirements so that the pms subsides before you come post flamebait like this on the forums. --
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:10:00 - [33] Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. You should know this first hand, right? I mean it's not like you haven't stated you opened Fountain to the public or anything, yet where are you now? --
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:13:00 - [34] The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. --23 Member--
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:26:00 - [35] When will you guys stop whining? If Bob wins eve, the game wont be over. The standings reset will be hella fun
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 14:04:19 Originally by: Liam Galagher ...you cannot beat bob + allies under current tranquility conditions. cause in order to seriosly damage such an alliance it takes several huge fleet fights with numbers equal to F-T fight or even bigger. wich is not possible right now. check the comments on forums concidering the f-t disaster. Your argument is flawed however, since you use a fight where 'a big entity' was destroyed as example that 'a big entity' can't be destroyed.... The F-T fight DID finish off one of the biggest fighting entities this game has seen..... only it wasn't BoB, it was the Coalition (as a unified fighting entity, not individual parts). Since then, the 'Coalition' has not shown itself, but was fragmented into small parts that could be killed individually. You're also ignoring the reality that in the last 1/2 year, two alliances of similar or greater numbers than BoB have been destroyed, ASCN and D2. Alliances are generally killed by internal collapse, not by pew-pew.... Any alliance can be beaten, but it requires you to be more determined than them... iam not gonna play this "who won/who lost" game. and iam not interested in analyzing the internal issues of coalition eighter. i was simply pointing out the fact that by far not all players were able to participate in this (f-t) battle because ccp couldnt manage the traffic. so by keeping in mind that numbers of capitals are growing, i think it will require more and more firepower (and tactics) for one side to win. as i said, i wonder what ccp has in store for us... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Aya Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:33:00 - [37] You make all these threads like they are so tough. BoB can easily be destroyed, however it remains a secret only to me. All i can say is it involves: 1 Package of Bubble Gum 3 Wet Towels 1 Shaved Cat All other details are highly confidential.
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:34:00 - [38] Here's the simple answer. Kill their dreads every time they bring them out.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Da''iel Zehn on 05/06/2007 14:45:11 Stop BoB? No need. BoB is like a laxative. They will clean out the bowels of 0.0 of the constipation problem. Once they wipe everyone out they will reset standings and all the "pets" will be the new enemies to vanquish. By that time, the constipated, destroyed alliances will reform into something much better and challenge BoB on multiple fronts. Don't forget BoB leads the Alliance which is made up of numerous alliances. Unless CCP comes out with the next level of organization, Empires, where multiple alliances will combine into one entity. Then as Pvt Hudson says, "Game over man, game over!" But it will be fun to see a "Rebellion" of pod pilots against the BoB Empire in Eve. Also, I think it would be cool to see BoB take on the NPC empires. I might join up if they do that. Sig Starts here ------------ Mr. Orno: yes! yes! Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Lord BoB: (evil laugh) (says something in Ancient Icelandic)
Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:40:00 - [40] Edited by: Raia Mortius on 05/06/2007 14:41:20 who cares if we stop bob. what matters is that this whole conflict has brought every one from the north who wants to have fun and pew pew together. tribute will be where the last stand is made. there is a very exciting atmosphere in the region at the moment. the carebears have left to empire and the people that remain either dot up or shut up :) this is the single great outcome of the whole northern war. no matter what corp or alliance people are from, they are in tribute to fight. tribute might fall but it will go out with a bang. personally i m looking forward to the weeks ahead. the RZR and MM FCs are much more skilled and cunning than anything D2 had to offer (no offence) but it is acctually fun with these guys to fly out and engage.
Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:56:00 - [41] BoB is all about passive wealth generations (i.e. they do things that make money without taking up a lot of time that could be spent pew pewing). If you want to rain on BoB's parade: 1) Put every BoB mining or reaction POS you can find into reinforced multiple times. Mining POS's make good isk but if they go offline and start running up a stront bill they can quickly go into the red. 2) Interdict BoBs complexes. While not truely passive wealth generation running a complex has a very high return on time invested. 3) Go after BoB's support fleet. BoB's a major T2 producer. Make them use more of their production instead of selling it. 4) Send in the goons. Take a look at the real sec map of 0.0. Only the lowest sec systems generate more isk than running missions in empire. Send in a group to infiltrate the system and bring ratting and minning to a hault. 5) Go after the weak links. While its true that most renters are just their to keep BoB from having to deal with soverignty POS's find the weak renter corps and grief the hell out of them, in empire as in without. This will sow discord within the ranks and give BoB some low level headaches to deal with. 6) In the end it all comes down to armaggedon. Once Rev 2 hits there will be one chance and only once chance to trap BoBs cap fleet in a system with an active Cyno blocker. There will be a major cap battle one side will win, one side will loose and the future of the game will be decided. If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa My stuff iam not gonna play this "who won/who lost" game. and iam not interested in analyzing the internal issues of coalition eighter. i was simply pointing out the fact that by far not all players were able to participate in this (f-t) battle because ccp couldnt manage the traffic. so by keeping in mind that numbers of capitals are growing, i think it will require more and more firepower (and tactics) for one side to win. as i said, i wonder what ccp has in store for us... Believe it or not, I was not trying to play who won/lost (try to look past the alliance ticker and look at the argument, please). I was simply trying to highlight that even though the server doesn't handle big fights well, it is still possible to kill off a large group of players as a fighting entity, something you claimed wasn't possible. Wars on this scale in EVE are not resolved by a few major fights where there is a winner and a looser. They're resolved after one of the parties loose the will to fight and (usually) collapses internally! Ships/POS/Capitals/etc. getting blown up doesn't determine who wins or looses wars. Who has the will and determination to come back again (and again...) AFTER their ships get blown up determines who wins in the end.... Server limitations are not a big issue. Lag affect everyone equally, it's how you handle it that determines whether its a major problem for you (...though annoying as any 4-letter word you can mention...). My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:58:00 - [43] Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. How this happens is not that difficult. Generally it will be T2 snipers combined with a good dictor pilot. If you have T2 snipers and the other guy doesn't or has very few of them you can engage at 180km and start shooting. Then (assuming you align well) and manage to get a dictor bubble on the enemy fleet, you can pop the enemy almost at will and not lose any ships cause you warpout when targeted. By now I have been on both sides. With ASCN we had impressive BS fleets (150+ BS is pretty cool to see in warp), but lacking in T2 snipers. Beyond say 120km our damage became rather poor. Later when flying with E-R and in our own latest conflict, we often had a superiority in T2 snipers and it showed. Simple spelling lessons for forum posters: A point is moot, not mute Guerilla tactics are different from gorilla tactics.
Indomitus Rex Amarr H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Indomitus Rex on 05/06/2007 15:08:48 Get on MSN and tell them horrible jokes which distract them from their other conversations?? OR. . . We could just ask you to stop making these asinine threads. I vote #2 since I don't use MSN and it'd be a lot easier. STOP MAKING THESE ASININE THREADS FFS!!! Thanks. Have a nice day. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. DS you DO realize the great irony of you telling people to get off the forum
Jim Linger Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:15:00 - [46] Quote: I hope the changes in Rev 2 encourage a more tactical approach to combat rather than the current blob and pos spamming that Bob employ so well. It would be nice to be able to use hit and run tactics against outposts and maybe POS to weaken their industrial might. Your picking tactics over blob to an alliance that just owned goon good call _____________________________________________ Discussing moderation is a no-no - Tirg http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/wigmoso/evesig.jpg Your sig is too big (25.55 KB (26163 bytes)) Max sig size is 24,000 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:16:00 - [47] Well this is good ------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. DS you DO realize the great irony of you telling people to get off the forum Well I'm not trying to halt BoB am I --23 Member--
Pantalones Piscado Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:23:00 - [49] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Scum Killer Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships But I can take a few of them with me. In a Bob contolled Eve, wont be much use for them anyways. When all the gear is gone, then I will proberably go as well, but I least I went down fighting. You go girl! dbp posting more will fill the void in your heart left from your mothership going boom Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:26:00 - [50] only way is to join the DEVs team
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:30:00 - [51] Find the next bob meeting in RL, hire some police, get them busted and into vans, bundle them off to china and make them play there for a bit. Failing that, give it some time and alot more bob haters will be in bigger and better ships (even if they sneek in paying rent to build ships against them).
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:32:00 - [52] make incredible theorycrafting tactics on coad is the way to beat bob.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Raia Mortius the carebears have left to empire and the people that remain either dot up or shut up :) Dots? The secret is 1's. 1's!! -----
Mai Lan	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. How this happens is not that difficult. Generally it will be T2 snipers combined with a good dictor pilot. If you have T2 snipers and the other guy doesn't or has very few of them you can engage at 180km and start shooting. Then (assuming you align well) and manage to get a dictor bubble on the enemy fleet, you can pop the enemy almost at will and not lose any ships cause you warpout when targeted. By now I have been on both sides. With ASCN we had impressive BS fleets (150+ BS is pretty cool to see in warp), but lacking in T2 snipers. Beyond say 120km our damage became rather poor. Later when flying with E-R and in our own latest conflict, we often had a superiority in T2 snipers and it showed. and if you dont fly bs you dont loose it... 25 bs killed vs 0 lost means nothing if 95% of your gang is in commandship / has look at the km of the bs killed, you wont see a lot a bs. (sorry for my approximate english)
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:42:00 - [55] Originally by: MoeStyles Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. You should know this first hand, right? I mean it's not like you haven't stated you opened Fountain to the public or anything, yet where are you now? Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:48:00 - [56] Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. Plim in the 6+months my Corporation fought Celestial Apocalypse weve never seen you except on the forums. Unless your an alt of course. Bottom Line is you boys got outlasted by Xelas. Its ok that your bitter/sad/whatever but you have got to give them credit for surviving and thriving through pretty much nonstop attacks for 1+yrs. Celestial Apocalypse in its heyday provided some of the best BS vs BS fighters you could face in battle and taught us many good lessons and earned alot of respect. Everytime you post I lose alil bit of that respect. I miss Batloard..... <3
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:56:00 - [57] Just hire MC to kill bob, duh.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:58:00 - [58] Who says there has to be a way to stop BoB? CCP created a game where absolute power is obtainable. While everyone is rebuilding and reforming and saying they can take down BoB, BoB is still growing. So the next time BoB is at war they'll be even more powerful. If you couldn't stop them before and the time before that, do you really think your optimism is going to stop a blob of super-caps? Yeah and if you believe so, I have some magic beans I want to sell you. If you don't like it, petition it. lol Or, you can quit and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Seriously, those are your options. Because short of BoB deciding to stop pwning everyone or CCP dropping a 0.0 wide DD on all of BoB+friends, they're not going to be stopped and there's no reason they should be either. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Waragha Edited by: Waragha on 05/06/2007 13:14:49 Will you people stop whining? The most of whats happened in this war has had nothing to do with bob. It's been allies and friends. Stop blaming the game/bob/devs whatever and work yourself your way to a decent alliance. Do you think by Rev2 you will be handed space freely ? This isnt the social security office. You don't need 400000 people to beat bob. You just need to start playing the game instead of playing the forums. This time the coaltion failed, there will be more coalitions and new alliances. After the war dies out people will be dropping standings, new cross alliance NAPs will be made and maybe then we will see someone that can properly remove bob. Sheesh.. Why is this game so hard for some people.. Why do people feel that because the "alliance" has done better than the "coalition" the game is going to hell. Stop emoing! Edit: NOW! /signed
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:00:00 - [60] Edited by: bloomich on 05/06/2007 15:58:57 Originally by: Mai Lan and if you dont fly bs you dont loose it... 25 bs killed vs 0 lost means nothing if 95% of your gang is in commandship / has look at the km of the bs killed, you wont see a lot a bs. (sorry for my approximate english) So what you are saying is that Bob dont fly BS's so that is why they dont lose any. Now if they dont fly BS's.... Would this not mean that your own BS sniper squad would chew them up? If they dont fly bs's then thats like flying with one hand tied behind their back and if they do that and still kill 25 bs's then thats even more humiliating for your side!

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