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Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture. The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob and they have to be given a great deal of respect. However I fear for the future of the game if they, in time, conquer most of 0.0 space. I would love to risk my pod, ships, ISK by helping to defeat the enemy. I would be willing to do this in order to help save the game I love so much cos I fear if the current situation continues Eve will become so dull people will move to other games and Eve will die a slow death. After all, you can't take your assets to another game. I hope the changes in Rev 2 encourage a more tactical approach to combat rather than the current blob and pos spamming that Bob employ so well. It would be nice to be able to use hit and run tactics against outposts and maybe POS to weaken their industrial might. I hope the major non Bob alliances are planning for Rev 2 and rebuilding for the "mother of all wars" that is sure to come. If not you can be damn sure Bob is. They should also be trying to recruit combat capable pilots from all aspects of eve such as Pirates, Carebears, Mission Runners as it will be in their interests to return to the disorganised chaos that Eve was. Before long Eve will become more like real life with the USA controlling most of the fire power and USA pets like the UK/Israel pretending to be friends and kissing their ass. A few alliances will pretend to have weapons of mass destruction and a few pirates nations will give grief to the rest of the world. I am now training for Rev 2 and building up a supply of ships. I will be looking to join an alliance in the next month and with it I will bring a carrier, dread, 10 or more fully fitted battleships and a ****load of support vessels. I will be able to use the new "bombs", probe them out and dictor them as well as kill them or die trying. I know its not much by alliance standards but its all I have and as I said before, you can't take it with you. I have died many times in Eve and most of the time I have not been sure what I died for, but maybe this time I can die for the good of the game. Its time for the masses to prepare for War. For the good of chaos and a return to disorder, conflict and Fun.
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:14:00 - [2] Originally by: Scum Killer Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture. The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob Red Alliance? Fix? Mercenary Coalition?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:15:00 - [3] And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:17:00 - [4] Quote: So how do we "halt" Bob OMG look over there! A rich carebear alliance flying nothing but T2 haulers and freighters in completely unclaimed, undefended 0.0 space who won't even bother fighting back, they'll just try to ruin your credibility on the EVE-O forums as if you cared in the first place! points out into the middle of nowhere and watches BoB warp off into deep space never to be seen again --------- EVE is like a box of chocolates. omg nerf chocolates D:
Xtreem Gallente Viking Research and Production space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:18:00 - [5] RA went from medium sized, to hailed as dead to a massive force, one that puts up a good fight aswell. the MC done great things, however have become more in the background with them being allied to BoB there is much BoB hating, they will fail at one point, and it will prob be one of greed or taking too much power. the pets could revolt, which would mean way too many fronts to fight for any allaince. take too much space and just not be able to hold it (or even know if people are in it) just give it time, they have alot, but only as long as the players within bob like it, soon as they lose interest or sothing happens to make it more costly for them to run they will fold like every other allaince.
Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships But I can take a few of them with me. In a Bob contolled Eve, wont be much use for them anyways. When all the gear is gone, then I will proberably go as well, but I least I went down fighting.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Scum Killer Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships But I can take a few of them with me. In a Bob contolled Eve, wont be much use for them anyways. When all the gear is gone, then I will proberably go as well, but I least I went down fighting. You go girl! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:27:00 - [8] Originally by: DB Preacher You go girl! dbp but he's actually a boy! ps. one does not stop bob. one just lets them get bored and leave --------------------------------------
Major Stallion The Dark Horses Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Scum Killer Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture. The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob Red Alliance? Fix? Mercenary Coalition? 2 of the 3 are confirmed BoB pets, of course they'll have something long standing.....your point?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:40:00 - [10] Couldn't you have added this to one of the other numerous bob this, bob that threads that already exist Respect is earnt on the battlefield

Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:54:00 - [11] snip off topic - hutch
Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.05 12:54:00 - [12] Originally by: fire 59 Couldn't you have added this to one of the other numerous bob this, bob that threads that already exist Can't say I have noticed that many Bob threads around that I wanted to contribute too. Most of them are posted by alts, would rather post with one of my 2 main characters. I have a lot of respect for what Bob has achieved, most of the posts I have read have been rather disrespectful. I am looking at the bigger picture and how I am worried about the future of the game I love so much and what I am prepared to do about it. I am prepared to risk all for the sake of the game. I feel a little guilty I not done much to help but I figure what the hell, in for a penny in for a pound.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Lowa on 05/06/2007 13:04:17 Meh, thats easy, just drop a carrier full of beer, spiced wine, exotic dancers and kladdkaka in NOL and I assure you no one will leave until its all consumed. Repeate over and over again. Just remember that what ever you do, dont get greedy and try to get in on the action, then we be back here again after they decied that every1 is a threat to their feast and has to die. Again. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Scum Killer Originally by: fire 59 Couldn't you have added this to one of the other numerous bob this, bob that threads that already exist Can't say I have noticed that many Bob threads around that I wanted to contribute too. Most of them are posted by alts, would rather post with one of my 2 main characters. I have a lot of respect for what Bob has achieved, most of the posts I have read have been rather disrespectful. I am looking at the bigger picture and how I am worried about the future of the game I love so much and what I am prepared to do about it. I am prepared to risk all for the sake of the game. I feel a little guilty I not done much to help but I figure what the hell, in for a penny in for a pound. All you need to do is to convince people too afraid to lose their ships to do the same. Bob put everthing on the line, and this will always beat any other entity that does not do the same.
Waragha 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Waragha on 05/06/2007 13:14:49 Will you people stop whining? The most of whats happened in this war has had nothing to do with bob. It's been allies and friends. Stop blaming the game/bob/devs whatever and work yourself your way to a decent alliance. Do you think by Rev2 you will be handed space freely ? This isnt the social security office. You don't need 400000 people to beat bob. You just need to start playing the game instead of playing the forums. This time the coaltion failed, there will be more coalitions and new alliances. After the war dies out people will be dropping standings, new cross alliance NAPs will be made and maybe then we will see someone that can properly remove bob. Sheesh.. Why is this game so hard for some people.. Why do people feel that because the "alliance" has done better than the "coalition" the game is going to hell. Stop emoing! Edit: NOW!
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:16:00 - [16] there is 2 types of power military power protects/expands the economy funded with profit (or a debt in real life) example: titan T2 bs fleet people tactics economical power generates money example: pet system ratting mining territorial control and (T2) production is one of the links between the two. it is easy to see that a combination/balance of both powers results in greatness. now, go figure out how to fight it so you disrupt the balance. or pay me to tell you. enough free advice for today ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Aldormanndiobla Muon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Scum Killer Before long Eve will become more like real life with the USA controlling most of the fire power and USA pets like the UK/Israel pretending to be friends and kissing their ass. You really do have little understanding of current politics.
lofty29 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:23:00 - [18] In soviet eve, BoB halts you! --- My sig has gone into exile This poster likes to tempt forum mods and has been voted most likely to get killed by an angry alligator - Ductoris
EzSnake Caldari The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:23:00 - [19] Yet another post on "how do we stop Bob" Well here is your BEST bet!!!!!! Cancel Account/ Uninstall game = Now you never have to worry about BoB or what they doing!!! ________________________________________________ Next MMO
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:26:00 - [20] start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo.

Agmar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Nero Scuro Quote: So how do we "halt" Bob OMG look over there! A rich carebear alliance flying nothing but T2 haulers and freighters in completely unclaimed, undefended 0.0 space who won't even bother fighting back, they'll just try to ruin your credibility on the EVE-O forums as if you cared in the first place! WHAT? WHERE? .........../me pops a cyno
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:26:00 - [22] What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. Just ******* do it instead of talking about it on the forums. None of the people that are actually trying are likely to take advice from forum monkeys and armchair generals anyway. And yes, im annoyed at these topics ;)
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:34:00 - [23] oh no... not again...k, here is a pragmatic thing for the thread maker, easy to understand: you cannot beat bob + allies under current tranquility conditions. cause in order to seriosly damage such an alliance it takes several huge fleet fights with numbers equal to F-T fight or even bigger. wich is not possible right now. check the comments on forums concidering the f-t disaster. leaders (the real ones, not just representation puppets) are aware of that fact. we will have to wait untill ccp gets a rabbit out the hat to fix the problem. so eighter stfu and live with the situation, or cancel your account and go play chess. _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Larsson7 Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:37:00 - [24] It is actually very easy. (1) Build a train (2) Fill train with assortment of pvpers (3) Remove train brakes (4) Set autopilot to NOL Voila, you arrive in NOL and crush the ebil BoB. Oh wait.....
Kyoi Shuttles Dont Tank Well	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:41:00 - [25] Guess what it isnt BOB up in the North its an "anti-coaliton". There are plenty of other alliances in EVE that are not allied with BOB with the upcoming changes this BOB/RAGoon conflict is going to be a hard fought battle. There will always be conflicts and disagreements, just because an alliance dispands those pilots will form up under a new name and try all over again. Its the ever changing nature of EVE and no-one can really predict what is going to happen.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:41:00 - [26] There are two ways to beat BoB. One is to write threads about it on the forums.... The other is to jump into a ship and start shooting us.... One of these works better than the other.... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Dave White coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:45:00 - [27] Someone cut their brake lines. They can't be halted CORA. Killboard Personal Killboard
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:54:00 - [28] A Plan. ----------------------------
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Gutsani there is 2 types of power military power protects/expands the economy funded with profit (or a debt in real life) example: titan T2 bs fleet people tactics economical power generates money example: pet system ratting mining territorial control and (T2) production is one of the links between the two. it is easy to see that a combination/balance of both powers results in greatness. now, go figure out how to fight it so you disrupt the balance. or pay me to tell you. enough free advice for today A little more reading in political theory and you will discover quite a few other powers. . .
Neurosis Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:58:00 - [30] I Endorse this thread _________________________________________________' "I have the ability and the experience to do destroy BoB and believe me, BoB is getting desperate" 'Madeye'McCreedy' [red]Sig is not eve r

Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:03:00 - [31] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 14:04:19 Originally by: Liam Galagher ...you cannot beat bob + allies under current tranquility conditions. cause in order to seriosly damage such an alliance it takes several huge fleet fights with numbers equal to F-T fight or even bigger. wich is not possible right now. check the comments on forums concidering the f-t disaster. Your argument is flawed however, since you use a fight where 'a big entity' was destroyed as example that 'a big entity' can't be destroyed.... The F-T fight DID finish off one of the biggest fighting entities this game has seen..... only it wasn't BoB, it was the Coalition (as a unified fighting entity, not individual parts). Since then, the 'Coalition' has not shown itself, but was fragmented into small parts that could be killed individually. You're also ignoring the reality that in the last 1/2 year, two alliances of similar or greater numbers than BoB have been destroyed, ASCN and D2. Alliances are generally killed by internal collapse, not by pew-pew.... Any alliance can be beaten, but it requires you to be more determined than them... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Xtreem the pets could revolt, which would mean way too many fronts to fight for any allaince. I love this. The pets.. I've been gone for several months and pop back in to start catching up on what's been going on and I see that some people still think calling friends of BoB pets is the cool and "in thing" to do. Fact is not all of the folks that are friends of BoB are so called pets by any shape of the meaning. Most of them aren't willing to revolt at this point because they're seeing positive growth after great battles fought with and against BoB. I think some of you people take things far to seriously and need to consider midol as part of your daily dietary requirements so that the pms subsides before you come post flamebait like this on the forums. --
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:10:00 - [33] Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. You should know this first hand, right? I mean it's not like you haven't stated you opened Fountain to the public or anything, yet where are you now? --
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:13:00 - [34] The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. --23 Member--
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:26:00 - [35] When will you guys stop whining? If Bob wins eve, the game wont be over. The standings reset will be hella fun
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 14:04:19 Originally by: Liam Galagher ...you cannot beat bob + allies under current tranquility conditions. cause in order to seriosly damage such an alliance it takes several huge fleet fights with numbers equal to F-T fight or even bigger. wich is not possible right now. check the comments on forums concidering the f-t disaster. Your argument is flawed however, since you use a fight where 'a big entity' was destroyed as example that 'a big entity' can't be destroyed.... The F-T fight DID finish off one of the biggest fighting entities this game has seen..... only it wasn't BoB, it was the Coalition (as a unified fighting entity, not individual parts). Since then, the 'Coalition' has not shown itself, but was fragmented into small parts that could be killed individually. You're also ignoring the reality that in the last 1/2 year, two alliances of similar or greater numbers than BoB have been destroyed, ASCN and D2. Alliances are generally killed by internal collapse, not by pew-pew.... Any alliance can be beaten, but it requires you to be more determined than them... iam not gonna play this "who won/who lost" game. and iam not interested in analyzing the internal issues of coalition eighter. i was simply pointing out the fact that by far not all players were able to participate in this (f-t) battle because ccp couldnt manage the traffic. so by keeping in mind that numbers of capitals are growing, i think it will require more and more firepower (and tactics) for one side to win. as i said, i wonder what ccp has in store for us... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Aya Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:33:00 - [37] You make all these threads like they are so tough. BoB can easily be destroyed, however it remains a secret only to me. All i can say is it involves: 1 Package of Bubble Gum 3 Wet Towels 1 Shaved Cat All other details are highly confidential.
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:34:00 - [38] Here's the simple answer. Kill their dreads every time they bring them out.
Da'iel Zehn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Da''iel Zehn on 05/06/2007 14:45:11 Stop BoB? No need. BoB is like a laxative. They will clean out the bowels of 0.0 of the constipation problem. Once they wipe everyone out they will reset standings and all the "pets" will be the new enemies to vanquish. By that time, the constipated, destroyed alliances will reform into something much better and challenge BoB on multiple fronts. Don't forget BoB leads the Alliance which is made up of numerous alliances. Unless CCP comes out with the next level of organization, Empires, where multiple alliances will combine into one entity. Then as Pvt Hudson says, "Game over man, game over!" But it will be fun to see a "Rebellion" of pod pilots against the BoB Empire in Eve. Also, I think it would be cool to see BoB take on the NPC empires. I might join up if they do that. Sig Starts here ------------ Mr. Orno: yes! yes! Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. Lord BoB: (evil laugh) (says something in Ancient Icelandic)
Raia Mortius Yin Bao	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:40:00 - [40] Edited by: Raia Mortius on 05/06/2007 14:41:20 who cares if we stop bob. what matters is that this whole conflict has brought every one from the north who wants to have fun and pew pew together. tribute will be where the last stand is made. there is a very exciting atmosphere in the region at the moment. the carebears have left to empire and the people that remain either dot up or shut up :) this is the single great outcome of the whole northern war. no matter what corp or alliance people are from, they are in tribute to fight. tribute might fall but it will go out with a bang. personally i m looking forward to the weeks ahead. the RZR and MM FCs are much more skilled and cunning than anything D2 had to offer (no offence) but it is acctually fun with these guys to fly out and engage.

Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:56:00 - [41] BoB is all about passive wealth generations (i.e. they do things that make money without taking up a lot of time that could be spent pew pewing). If you want to rain on BoB's parade: 1) Put every BoB mining or reaction POS you can find into reinforced multiple times. Mining POS's make good isk but if they go offline and start running up a stront bill they can quickly go into the red. 2) Interdict BoBs complexes. While not truely passive wealth generation running a complex has a very high return on time invested. 3) Go after BoB's support fleet. BoB's a major T2 producer. Make them use more of their production instead of selling it. 4) Send in the goons. Take a look at the real sec map of 0.0. Only the lowest sec systems generate more isk than running missions in empire. Send in a group to infiltrate the system and bring ratting and minning to a hault. 5) Go after the weak links. While its true that most renters are just their to keep BoB from having to deal with soverignty POS's find the weak renter corps and grief the hell out of them, in empire as in without. This will sow discord within the ranks and give BoB some low level headaches to deal with. 6) In the end it all comes down to armaggedon. Once Rev 2 hits there will be one chance and only once chance to trap BoBs cap fleet in a system with an active Cyno blocker. There will be a major cap battle one side will win, one side will loose and the future of the game will be decided. If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa My stuff iam not gonna play this "who won/who lost" game. and iam not interested in analyzing the internal issues of coalition eighter. i was simply pointing out the fact that by far not all players were able to participate in this (f-t) battle because ccp couldnt manage the traffic. so by keeping in mind that numbers of capitals are growing, i think it will require more and more firepower (and tactics) for one side to win. as i said, i wonder what ccp has in store for us... Believe it or not, I was not trying to play who won/lost (try to look past the alliance ticker and look at the argument, please). I was simply trying to highlight that even though the server doesn't handle big fights well, it is still possible to kill off a large group of players as a fighting entity, something you claimed wasn't possible. Wars on this scale in EVE are not resolved by a few major fights where there is a winner and a looser. They're resolved after one of the parties loose the will to fight and (usually) collapses internally! Ships/POS/Capitals/etc. getting blown up doesn't determine who wins or looses wars. Who has the will and determination to come back again (and again...) AFTER their ships get blown up determines who wins in the end.... Server limitations are not a big issue. Lag affect everyone equally, it's how you handle it that determines whether its a major problem for you (...though annoying as any 4-letter word you can mention...). My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:58:00 - [43] Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. How this happens is not that difficult. Generally it will be T2 snipers combined with a good dictor pilot. If you have T2 snipers and the other guy doesn't or has very few of them you can engage at 180km and start shooting. Then (assuming you align well) and manage to get a dictor bubble on the enemy fleet, you can pop the enemy almost at will and not lose any ships cause you warpout when targeted. By now I have been on both sides. With ASCN we had impressive BS fleets (150+ BS is pretty cool to see in warp), but lacking in T2 snipers. Beyond say 120km our damage became rather poor. Later when flying with E-R and in our own latest conflict, we often had a superiority in T2 snipers and it showed. Simple spelling lessons for forum posters: A point is moot, not mute Guerilla tactics are different from gorilla tactics.
Indomitus Rex Amarr H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Indomitus Rex on 05/06/2007 15:08:48 Get on MSN and tell them horrible jokes which distract them from their other conversations?? OR. . . We could just ask you to stop making these asinine threads. I vote #2 since I don't use MSN and it'd be a lot easier. STOP MAKING THESE ASININE THREADS FFS!!! Thanks. Have a nice day. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. DS you DO realize the great irony of you telling people to get off the forum
Jim Linger Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:15:00 - [46] Quote: I hope the changes in Rev 2 encourage a more tactical approach to combat rather than the current blob and pos spamming that Bob employ so well. It would be nice to be able to use hit and run tactics against outposts and maybe POS to weaken their industrial might. Your picking tactics over blob to an alliance that just owned goon good call _____________________________________________ Discussing moderation is a no-no - Tirg http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/wigmoso/evesig.jpg Your sig is too big (25.55 KB (26163 bytes)) Max sig size is 24,000 bytes - Karass Sayfo
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:16:00 - [47] Well this is good ------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. DS you DO realize the great irony of you telling people to get off the forum Well I'm not trying to halt BoB am I --23 Member--
Pantalones Piscado Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:23:00 - [49] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Scum Killer Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships But I can take a few of them with me. In a Bob contolled Eve, wont be much use for them anyways. When all the gear is gone, then I will proberably go as well, but I least I went down fighting. You go girl! dbp posting more will fill the void in your heart left from your mothership going boom Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:26:00 - [50] only way is to join the DEVs team

SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:30:00 - [51] Find the next bob meeting in RL, hire some police, get them busted and into vans, bundle them off to china and make them play there for a bit. Failing that, give it some time and alot more bob haters will be in bigger and better ships (even if they sneek in paying rent to build ships against them).
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:32:00 - [52] make incredible theorycrafting tactics on coad is the way to beat bob.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Raia Mortius the carebears have left to empire and the people that remain either dot up or shut up :) Dots? The secret is 1's. 1's!! -----
Mai Lan	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. How this happens is not that difficult. Generally it will be T2 snipers combined with a good dictor pilot. If you have T2 snipers and the other guy doesn't or has very few of them you can engage at 180km and start shooting. Then (assuming you align well) and manage to get a dictor bubble on the enemy fleet, you can pop the enemy almost at will and not lose any ships cause you warpout when targeted. By now I have been on both sides. With ASCN we had impressive BS fleets (150+ BS is pretty cool to see in warp), but lacking in T2 snipers. Beyond say 120km our damage became rather poor. Later when flying with E-R and in our own latest conflict, we often had a superiority in T2 snipers and it showed. and if you dont fly bs you dont loose it... 25 bs killed vs 0 lost means nothing if 95% of your gang is in commandship / has look at the km of the bs killed, you wont see a lot a bs. (sorry for my approximate english)
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:42:00 - [55] Originally by: MoeStyles Originally by: darth solo start by not sucking big time at fleet fights. the 25bs lost 0 killed thing i see quite often is a shocker. is it blind panic or sumthing?. d solo. You should know this first hand, right? I mean it's not like you haven't stated you opened Fountain to the public or anything, yet where are you now? Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:48:00 - [56] Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. Plim in the 6+months my Corporation fought Celestial Apocalypse weve never seen you except on the forums. Unless your an alt of course. Bottom Line is you boys got outlasted by Xelas. Its ok that your bitter/sad/whatever but you have got to give them credit for surviving and thriving through pretty much nonstop attacks for 1+yrs. Celestial Apocalypse in its heyday provided some of the best BS vs BS fighters you could face in battle and taught us many good lessons and earned alot of respect. Everytime you post I lose alil bit of that respect. I miss Batloard..... <3
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:56:00 - [57] Just hire MC to kill bob, duh.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:58:00 - [58] Who says there has to be a way to stop BoB? CCP created a game where absolute power is obtainable. While everyone is rebuilding and reforming and saying they can take down BoB, BoB is still growing. So the next time BoB is at war they'll be even more powerful. If you couldn't stop them before and the time before that, do you really think your optimism is going to stop a blob of super-caps? Yeah and if you believe so, I have some magic beans I want to sell you. If you don't like it, petition it. lol Or, you can quit and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Seriously, those are your options. Because short of BoB deciding to stop pwning everyone or CCP dropping a 0.0 wide DD on all of BoB+friends, they're not going to be stopped and there's no reason they should be either. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Waragha Edited by: Waragha on 05/06/2007 13:14:49 Will you people stop whining? The most of whats happened in this war has had nothing to do with bob. It's been allies and friends. Stop blaming the game/bob/devs whatever and work yourself your way to a decent alliance. Do you think by Rev2 you will be handed space freely ? This isnt the social security office. You don't need 400000 people to beat bob. You just need to start playing the game instead of playing the forums. This time the coaltion failed, there will be more coalitions and new alliances. After the war dies out people will be dropping standings, new cross alliance NAPs will be made and maybe then we will see someone that can properly remove bob. Sheesh.. Why is this game so hard for some people.. Why do people feel that because the "alliance" has done better than the "coalition" the game is going to hell. Stop emoing! Edit: NOW! /signed
bloomich Trotter's Independent Traders Co	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:00:00 - [60] Edited by: bloomich on 05/06/2007 15:58:57 Originally by: Mai Lan and if you dont fly bs you dont loose it... 25 bs killed vs 0 lost means nothing if 95% of your gang is in commandship / has look at the km of the bs killed, you wont see a lot a bs. (sorry for my approximate english) So what you are saying is that Bob dont fly BS's so that is why they dont lose any. Now if they dont fly BS's.... Would this not mean that your own BS sniper squad would chew them up? If they dont fly bs's then thats like flying with one hand tied behind their back and if they do that and still kill 25 bs's then thats even more humiliating for your side!

MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:12:00 - [61] Originally by: Plim Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. So when did this become about Xelas vs * ? I know the numbers and there was a good reason why members were told to attempt to make sure that 2:1 against you guys was in place when and if at all possible. SP and ships you guys fit vs what we had to field at the time. It's called playing smart and not being wreckless when possible. clue You also forgot to include the fact that people were told not to engage you guys because you get bored, ticked off, and run off elsewhere. It worked. Where are you now? You say you do what you want now but the fact is you did what we wanted you to do. You fell apart and left because no one would give you the time of day and leadership fell apart to the point where folks were leaving. So that makes you better than Xelas how? Xelas out lasted you guys and was able now 2 years later to continue to grow little by little and sustain itself. It's not to say I don't respect a large number of Celes pilots. I don't respect darth and that's pure and simply because he constantly opens his mouth and stuffs both feet in it. My prod was at him, not Celes as a whole. And btw. I find it quite sad that a number of your really great pilots left. You guys were a great fight even at 2:1. There is no denial of the fact that Celes has had great pilots and were a blast to fight. Sorry this tweeked you so hard you felt you had to go on a Xelas sucks rant. I made no reference to the rest of Celes.. /troll much? --
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:31:00 - [62] How to beat BoB Well the question is not really as simple as one might imagine. Under current game mechanics I'm not sure its possible. That's why primarily the coalition hasn't fought as a whole since F-T. The game can't handle it and there were numerous reports of GMs keeping folks from jumping into the system where they might have been able to have averted the outcome. However game mechanics are changing for good or ill only time will tell. In Revelations 2 we've seen a blog where the defenses of POSs is going to be moved outside the force field. If that happens, then it is possible that using their numbers that the coalition might be able to strike at BoB. Not only them but many of the other groups could do so and deal actual damage, I'm talking about groups like Burn Eden, Outbreak, Evoke, numerous small alliances and corporations. They would move not so much with the intention of completely destroying the POS's but only to disable their weapons and ew modules. Lets say they could hit two dozen a night. BoB simply couldn't keep replacing all the defenses, which means eventually such tactics would open up to the large fleets of AAA, IAC, RED. It would be very hard for BoB to predict where to put its fleets if they were hitting dozens of systems, only one or two might be the main objective. Currently this strategy isn't feasible, but with the Revelations 2 changes coming it will be. ITs not something that will win immediately, but over time it could take its toll. Those that recently trapped a BoB Mothership showed a great deal of patience and cunning. It isn't over yet, nor will it be, barring any unforeseen mass exodus to another game or real life by one side or the other, probably for months or a year. Keep in mind RED fought LV for almost a year before LV finally collapsed. They are used to long and drawn out wars. So basically at this point I'd wait, gather what resources you can and be ready for the change when it hits. Then look up an appropriate force you'd like to join and offer your services. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Mc Leech The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:50:00 - [63] Here is our detailed plan on how we going to stop BOB: ... But first Dianabolic needs to deposit 100 billion isk on my account :P If there was a grand plan on stoping BOB do you think someone would post it here?
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Tzrailasa There are two ways to beat BoB. One is to write threads about it on the forums.... The other is to jump into a ship and start shooting us.... One of these works better than the other.... /signed _______
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:07:00 - [65] What about something that would go like that: #1 launch EVE.exe #2 insert your login and your password #3 hit the undock button #4 lock whatever you can (only if red/orange/neutral!) #5 kill/die ... #99 pay to be able to play another month Imho that's what we're all doing you just need to be smart enough to understand what would be #6 that would be : #6 Was fun, let's do that again :) not #6 Wasn't fun because I lost my ship so it sucked - the ones who killed me HAVE to be devs tbh! Hope youguys get it. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:15:00 - [66] /heal 0 - Latest Video
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:34:00 - [67] Originally by: Orange Species A Plan. I thought shooting BoB was the plan? Anyways, if we need to think about it longer than 5 minutes it's most likely wasted effort. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:39:00 - [68] Edited by: Liam Galagher on 05/06/2007 17:45:16 Edited by: Liam Galagher on 05/06/2007 17:39:41 Originally by: Tzrailasa I was simply trying to highlight that even though the server doesn't handle big fights well, it is still possible to kill off a large group of players as a fighting entity, something you claimed wasn't possible. right, if they jumping on your fleet one by one, because off the lag onloading into the system. Originally by: Tzrailasa Wars on this scale in EVE are not resolved by a few major fights where there is a winner and a looser. They're resolved after one of the parties loose the will to fight and (usually) collapses internally! fighting an alliance requires to capture and seize their key systems to cut off and destroy the industrial backup. this WILL cause massive gathering of players to attack/defend the important strategic positions. here i seriosly doubt that this will be possible even with lag you would call "acceptible". (all those carriers and mammas with fighters, bs¦s that can tank DD¦s, support ) how many people can bob & co bring up when their butts start to burn? about 700+ ? so add the same amount to the side of the opponent. you¦ll get the same crap that allready happened in that infamous system. Originally by: Tzrailasa Ships/POS/Capitals/etc. getting blown up doesn't determine who wins or looses wars. Who has the will and determination to come back again (and again...) AFTER their ships get blown up determines who wins in the end.... you seem to generalize things, this is exactly what defines this game - its all about loosing stuff, expensive stuff, a lot of it. nowdays in eve an alliance wins that has tonns of it. if youre out of capitals, you¦ll loose poses, if you loose poses, you¦ll loose soverenity. without own space your alliance turns into a joke. Originally by: Tzrailasa Server limitations are not a big issue. very funny... Originally by: Tzrailasa Lag affect everyone equally earth is a disk... jokes, aside i know alot of guys who would tell you otherwise. Originally by: Tzrailasa it's how you handle it that determines whether its a major problem for you (...though annoying as any 4-letter word you can mention...). simply pathetic. well, at least now, you know what my point of view is. so have a nice evening. or keep trolling, whatever. _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:47:00 - [69] Look at me, look at me. Quit the alt threads thx Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Manfred Sideous 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:56:00 - [70] Leader - Solid Respected his guys have to be willing to follow him/her into the depths of hell without question. Goals - Short Mid and Longterm Measurable achievable but inspiring Infrastructure - Has to always be someone with the answer or who can say do it this way Logistics - You can have the best PVP force in game but they arent worth a salt unless you have proper logistics Information - More the better more than the enemy is paramount to sucsess Discipline - everyone needs to know there place and be able to execute orders without hesitation. You add that all up with like minded goal orienteated players and skys the limit.

Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:10:00 - [71] Simultaneous strikes on several different fronts. Bob may be good but they cant be everywhere at once. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ikarushka Gallente Delusive Influence	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:24:00 - [72] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Leader - Solid Respected his guys have to be willing to follow him/her into the depths of hell without question. Goals - Short Mid and Longterm Measurable achievable but inspiring Infrastructure - Has to always be someone with the answer or who can say do it this way Logistics - You can have the best PVP force in game but they arent worth a salt unless you have proper logistics Information - More the better more than the enemy is paramount to sucsess Discipline - everyone needs to know there place and be able to execute orders without hesitation. You add that all up with like minded goal orienteated players and skys the limit. the SECRETZ is out >< ps: what he said
Mai Lan	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:28:00 - [73] Originally by: bloomich Edited by: bloomich on 05/06/2007 16:12:44 Edited by: bloomich on 05/06/2007 15:58:57 Originally by: Mai Lan and if you dont fly bs you dont loose it... 25 bs killed vs 0 lost means nothing if 95% of your gang is in commandship / has look at the km of the bs killed, you wont see a lot a bs. (sorry for my approximate english) So what you are saying is that Bob dont fly BS's so that is why they dont lose any. Now if they dont fly BS's.... Would this not mean that your own BS sniper squad would chew them up? If they dont fly bs's then thats like flying with one hand tied behind their back and if they do that and still kill 25 bs's then thats even more humiliating for your side! Then we have another poster saying that they killed 25bs to 0 because tehy used t2 sniper BS. So people are contridicting each other. Oh well, the only thing for certain is that these forums is full of BS! i never said x is better than y or not using bs is not fair blahblahblah ... just that only watching bs killed/lost is not very accurate.
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:29:00 - [74] Edited by: Rochel Hakiri on 05/06/2007 18:28:34 Originally by: Grim Faust Who says there has to be a way to stop BoB? CCP created a game where absolute power is obtainable. While everyone is rebuilding and reforming and saying they can take down BoB, BoB is still growing. So the next time BoB is at war they'll be even more powerful. If you couldn't stop them before and the time before that, do you really think your optimism is going to stop a blob of super-caps? Yeah and if you believe so, I have some magic beans I want to sell you. If you don't like it, petition it. lol Or, you can quit and you won't have to worry about it anymore. Seriously, those are your options. Because short of BoB deciding to stop pwning everyone or CCP dropping a 0.0 wide DD on all of BoB+friends, they're not going to be stopped and there's no reason they should be either. QFT, but err we could use another cap pilot. Contact me ingame if you're interested in (trying) to kill BoB & friends while being totally drunk/wasted. Yeah thats hardcore EVE for ya
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny And BoB's got a few thousand people that will be able to bomb, probe, and otherwise wipe the floor with you and your dreads, carriers, and 10 fully fitted Battleships BoB only has about 2800 members, so I dont knwo where you came up with "a few thousand". Maybe you were thinking of someone else..... Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:42:00 - [76] omg. when comes the day when all stop whining like little babies? whine bob is doing this whine bob is doing that whine bob didnt die, instead they rock whine whine .... and wine perhaps you should stop whining and organize yourself to give us a good fight. but hmm.. yeah your right, its easier to say "hey i carebared the last 6 months now i have enough money to lose some ships, lets do what against bob and after a week continue to whine". the thing about bob is that we carebare at day and at evening we go PvP. when you do only carebaring a month or two then you slowly forget how to PvP. oh and a hint: Carebaring is there to support your PvP. not the PvP is there to support your carebaring in 0.0. if your goal is to carebare in 0.0 then you should not even think about PvP to achive that. use the great rent-service bob is providing.
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:46:00 - [77] Hey Nero - have you got any relatives called Doug? -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:51:00 - [78] Edited by: Nero Winger on 05/06/2007 18:51:09 Originally by: Itzena Hey Nero - have you got any relatives called Doug? hmm..? i only know one Doug and thats the Doug of King of Queens
Habraka Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:56:00 - [79] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Simultaneous strikes on several different fronts. Bob may be good but they cant be everywhere at once. Been there, done that. Have you been away for the last six months?
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:56:00 - [80] Originally by: Aldormanndiobla Originally by: Scum Killer Before long Eve will become more like real life with the USA controlling most of the fire power and USA pets like the UK/Israel pretending to be friends and kissing their ass. You really do have little understanding of current politics. The russians are pointing missiles at me again, of course i am going to kiss american ass. This applys to eve too tho i dunno how many bob are from U.S.A

Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:59:00 - [81] Edited by: Rochel Hakiri on 05/06/2007 18:59:25 Originally by: Nero Winger omg. when comes the day when all stop whining like little babies? whine bob is doing this whine bob is doing that whine bob didnt die, instead they rock whine whine .... and wine perhaps you should stop whining and organize yourself to give us a good fight. but hmm.. yeah your right, its easier to say "hey i carebared the last 6 months now i have enough money to lose some ships, lets do what against bob and after a week continue to whine". the thing about bob is that we carebare at day and at evening we go PvP. when you do only carebaring a month or two then you slowly forget how to PvP. oh and a hint: Carebaring is there to support your PvP. not the PvP is there to support your carebaring in 0.0. if your goal is to carebare in 0.0 then you should not even think about PvP to achive that. use the great rent-service bob is providing. wow great post o7 and totally true (except the part about rent ofc)
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:03:00 - [82] Oh look, it's another BoB alt posing as a 'concerned neutral' exhorting people to fight so they have something to do. Never seen that before.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa Ships/POS/Capitals/etc. getting blown up doesn't determine who wins or looses wars. Who has the will and determination to come back again (and again...) AFTER their ships get blown up determines who wins in the end.... you seem to generalize things, this is exactly what defines this game - its all about loosing stuff, expensive stuff, a lot of it. nowdays in eve an alliance wins that has tonns of it. if youre out of capitals, you¦ll loose poses, if you loose poses, you¦ll loose soverenity. without own space your alliance turns into a joke. (well, exept those who are hiding in npc stations) Originally by: Tzrailasa Server limitations are not a big issue. very funny... Originally by: Tzrailasa Lag affect everyone equally earth is a disk... ok, jokes aside, i know alot of guys who would tell you otherwise. Originally by: Tzrailasa it's how you handle it that determines whether its a major problem for you (...though annoying as any 4-letter word you can mention...). simply pathetic. well, at least now, you know what my point of view is. so have a nice evening. or keep trolling, whatever. Qutoe 1: so what u think goons has 100+ capitals a titan and some mommys? no they dont but they still sometimes win here and there a fight. you (i mean you) dont even fight so... stfu or proof Quote 2: your funny, give arguments when you quote something, dont just quote and then have no answere/argument to say something. Quote 3: lagg effects everyone equally. but if you start whoring the game development forum and search for post of some Fix members you will find something very interesting (i hink everybody except you have that allready). ram drive. Game-settings, sound off, Shift+ctrl+alt +E/T and more stuff like that, that will help you have not lag. if the lag is a server lagg, then EVERYONE is affected the same by this SERVER LAG. let your friends convo me if you dont belive what i say and ill explain it to them and they can explain it to you. Qutoe 4: agin: dont quote things you have no answere/question on it.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:12:00 - [84] Edited by: Heldane on 05/06/2007 19:11:16 Clearly the way to stop BoB is to come here and make multiple threads about it. All empires fall eventually, be it through outside influence or internal strife. There is also alot of fighting still going on and wars have an ebb and flow. For a time the coalition was on top and doing the damage, now the shoe is on the other foot. Who knows what may happen? Some ex D2 corps that still want to fight could band together with RA thus increasing their ability, or the goons could give up their dreams of an empire and go back to being RA meatshields, the one role in which they excelled. The point is that all is speculation until the final shots are fired. It could even be the case that this war will continue for months and months longer and ultimately end in a stalemate if the remaining coalition side happen to have several more super capital ships already in production (How does RA not have a titan already? Surely they have the means).
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:13:00 - [85] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Oh look, it's another BoB alt posing as a 'concerned neutral' exhorting people to fight so they have something to do. Never seen that before. Really? Oh, it's sarcasm. I see now. -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:24:00 - [86] since i'm feeling drunk i will enlighting you all on how to halt those evil bobbits from eve domination. First. Take 3 freighters. 1 full of cookies, 1 full of cake, 1 full of pie. (if your feelig rich one of kladdkaka for MC also) Now you must lay the bait. Take 1 tachII (see amarr ARE usefull) and put a big hole in each frieghter. Thrid! set the frieghters autopilot from NOL to the EVE gate. Action Time... Now when all those bobs undock for a wholesome days carebearing and veld hugging they will see the trail of c, c and p and in their greed to gobble it all up they will dive headlong into the eve gate after the feightery goodness. ta-da! Now instead of just dreaming of being stuck in an elivator with a janitor they will actually be stuck in a time dilation field with T-Rex for the rest if infinity. -----
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:35:00 - [87] Originally by: The Beatnuts What about something that would go like that: #1 launch EVE.exe #2 insert your login and your password #3 hit the undock button #4 lock whatever you can (only if red/orange/neutral!) #5 kill/die ... #99 pay to be able to play another month Imho that's what we're all doing you just need to be smart enough to understand what would be #6 that would be : #6 Was fun, let's do that again :) not #6 Wasn't fun because I lost my ship so it sucked - the ones who killed me HAVE to be devs tbh! Hope you guys get it. For once, I find myself in 100% total agreement with the opinion stated by someone from RA My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:39:00 - [88] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: The Beatnuts What about something that would go like that: #1 launch EVE.exe #2 insert your login and your password #3 hit the undock button #4 lock whatever you can (only if red/orange/neutral!) #5 kill/die ... #99 pay to be able to play another month Imho that's what we're all doing you just need to be smart enough to understand what would be #6 that would be : #6 Was fun, let's do that again :) not #6 Wasn't fun because I lost my ship so it sucked - the ones who killed me HAVE to be devs tbh! Hope you guys get it. For once, I find myself in 100% total agreement with the opinion stated by someone from RA +1
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.05 19:43:00 - [89] How to stop BOB in 4 steps: 1. Kick the crap out of their fleet in a straight-up fight. 2. ... 3. Repeat 4 Profit! _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:32:00 - [90] I have of.c. not answered to the parts of this post that are thinly veiled accusations.... Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa I was simply trying to highlight that even though the server doesn't handle big fights well, it is still possible to kill off a large group of players as a fighting entity, something you claimed wasn't possible. right, if they¦re jumping on your fleet one by one, because off the lag onloading into the system. To keep this discussion civil, I purposely didn't go into outlining the mistakes made by the coalition in that fight since that was not the point, but to answer you I'll have to... The coalition could have avoided the one-by-one situation, but it's a point in favor of my last argument about handling lag. The coalition completely ignored taking into account how lag works and made the HUGE mistake of not having a load-point. If they'd prepared properly, they'd have had a POS in system to jump to, and THEN form up properly. As it was, they did the absolute WORST thing they could do, jump directly into the fight AFTER having let their enemy form up in-system. Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa Wars on this scale in EVE are not resolved by a few major fights where there is a winner and a looser. They're resolved after one of the parties loose the will to fight and (usually) collapses internally! to fight an alliance effectivly you¦ll need to capture and seize their key systems to cut off and destroy the industrial backup. this WILL cause massive gathering of players to attack/defend the important strategic positions. That's why you have to break peoples will to fight FIRST, before you start on the POS shooting...... Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa Ships/POS/Capitals/etc. getting blown up doesn't determine who wins or looses wars. Who has the will and determination to come back again (and again...) AFTER their ships get blown up determines who wins in the end.... this is exactly what defines this game - its all about loosing stuff, expensive stuff, a lot of it.....<and more> Please get real. It takes what, 3-5 hours ratting (max.) if you include insurance payout to buy a new, fitted battleship. 10-20 people doing that, and your alliance has a new dread... The IMPORTANT resource any alliance have is people who actually SHOW UP for fights, not ISK/Minerals/Ships. Both big alliances recently killed (D2, ASCN) have had plenty of resources left (Isk/Minerals/Ships), except that crucial one. Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa Server limitations are not a big issue. very funny... It really isn't a big issue if you've been in it before and know how to handle it. Plus, 99% of all fights are fought with acceptable lag. If I'm hit by a laggy battle, I know how to handle it. I accept the situation is laggy, I handle it as best I can, I try to work towards our objectives anyway. If I die due to lag, I don't run to the forums to complain about it, I get into another ship and go for the next fight. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.

Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:49:00 - [91] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Liam Galagher Originally by: Tzrailasa Server limitations are not a big issue. very funny... It really isn't a big issue if you've been in it before and know how to handle it. Plus, 99% of all fights are fought with acceptable lag. If I'm hit by a laggy battle, I know how to handle it. I accept the situation is laggy, I handle it as best I can, I try to work towards our objectives anyway. If I die due to lag, I don't run to the forums to complain about it, I get into another ship and go for the next fight. I beg to differ. Some of the most pivotal battles in Eve's recent times involved a huge server related dissappointment. Eve can't support the wars it's evolved to and that's in my opinion why the war is turning out as it is. This is not a complaint either because by and large I could really careless who lost what and where. Server limitations blow. They kill the immersion of the game and they kill the possibilities that CCP claims are limitless. The coalition did have massive coordination to start with. But after two catastrophic battles, one being the loss of LV's capitol shipyard and the other being the fight for BoB's shipyard with the whole 750 pilot cap, things went south. I don't care to hear about blobbing and how **ty it is because I already know it's **ty. But it's blobbing that wins wars. Once the coalition saw how terrible things were when they mustered together, they stopped doing it and thus gave up on the idea and pretty much lost all control after that. Until the day that the servers can handle what the players can throw at them, wars are simply going to be what side can gather the most troops and swamp the enemy when the enemy isn't online or around. There are no massive battles of glory and defeat. If you think I'm full of it too, ask yourself this, if you had a choice of being in a completely lagless 1000 vs 1000 pilot fight OR a 200 vs xPOS , which would you choose? Now, with that in mind, what sort of battles are the ones constantly happening? __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:39:00 - [92] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 21:39:32 I've cut your post down to the core points where I think you're wrong.... Originally by: Grim Faust But it's blobbing that wins wars. This is the main point where I think you're mistaken. Blobbing in itself doesn't win wars. What wins wars are that your pilots are more willing to return in a new ships after loosing one, than the enemy you're facing! Originally by: Grim Faust Until the day that the servers can handle what the players can throw at them, wars are simply going to be what side can gather the most troops and swamp the enemy when the enemy isn't online or around. No, until and after that much-longed-for day (oh, I wish...), wars will continue be about which side can break the other sides will to fight! Originally by: Grim Faust ...what sort of battles are the ones constantly happening? The battles constantly happening are the daily fights between smaller groups/individuals. THOSE are what grinds down an enemys will to fight, not the relative few large fleet and POS-battles. The big battles (though spectacular) account for a relative low percentage of the total losses in the current war. By far the most losses come from the steady grind. You (and most other people for that matter) are under a mis-perception why BoB currently seems to be winning the war. It's not because of our uber skill or skills (other have them too) It's not because we have good FC's (others have them too) It's not because we're rich (a few BoB are, the majority not) It's not because we have top-fitted ships (easy to get these days) It's not because of our capital fleet (coalition had a larger one) All of the above helps (sometimes a lot), but would be worth absolutely NOTHING without the real reason, which is the one where we DIFFER from most of our current enemies: BoB pilots come back in another ship after being blown up, where many of our enemies (after a while) doesn't! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Dominixa Yeah we know it first hand from fighting incompetant Xelas fleets. You wanna go look at the fleet fight statistics before you start smacktalking? No? Oh and the thing on the Xelas boards warning your members not to engage us unless outnumbering us 2:1 was funny. You guy's were uber. Right now we are doing whatever the hell we want. Plim in the 6+months my Corporation fought Celestial Apocalypse weve never seen you except on the forums. Unless your an alt of course. Bottom Line is you boys got outlasted by Xelas. Its ok that your bitter/sad/whatever but you have got to give them credit for surviving and thriving through pretty much nonstop attacks for 1+yrs. Celestial Apocalypse in its heyday provided some of the best BS vs BS fighters you could face in battle and taught us many good lessons and earned alot of respect. Everytime you post I lose alil bit of that respect. I miss Batloard..... <3 Alt = Psycarne. I think I used him more than Plim in Fountain. And no I don't play much anymore. But I do spend some time pointing out people's bull on the forums. Also my post was a response to someone trolling Celes if you read back. So your "lose a bit of respect statement" seems a bit off, take it up with the trolls, not me. If you respect balances on the fact that you don't want me to respond when people make moronic statements, then I don't want it. The only time I get 'bitter' in EVE is when I don't get a fight. So yeah i'm bitter when I see my enemies running from a good fight. I only care about in game politics when it means I get to shoot people. Frankly I don't give a damn whether Xelas is still in Fountain or not. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:50:00 - [94] Originally by: Tzrailasa All of the above helps (sometimes a lot), but would be worth absolutely NOTHING without the real reason, which is the one where we DIFFER from most of our current enemies: BoB pilots come back in another ship after being blown up, where many of our enemies (after a while) doesn't! You yourself seem to be under the misconception of why you're powerful. If the coalition brought fleets to your doorstep in the size they were capable of, you wouldn't stand a chance no matter what sort of spirit you had. I'd like to point it out as a prime example how long FLA held off MC and friends. A seemingly small alliance with no hope, yet we stood our ground longer than most other forces that were multiple times larger and more skilled than us. But in the end that did not matter and from the start we knew our resilience wasn't going to save us. If the enemy force is larger and has more pilots/ships, it's not about spirit or pride or who's fighting for what reason. I like to think the server has "the battle of thermopylae syndrome".(Think 300) Except in Eve's case, large forces are pidgeon-holed in to that sort of situation without choice. Smaller forces benefit from it too and believe it or not, BoB was that smaller force when everyone was on the *****train. But because of the afforementioned servers syndrome, the coalition lost it's edge it had over the alliance forces. You can't say that it doesn't matter either because one of the main things I kept hearing Alliance members using as a crutch excuse is that there were way more coalition forces than them. Well duh! But the coalition couldn't utilize it's entire force without the game sticking it's proverbial stick up the coalitions eye. So what happens is one armies strength is limited by the server while the other wipes the sweat away and realizes that the enemies true power is capped and doesn't really matter. Take for example battles in real life. Tactics may play a roll, but for the most part it's who's got more soldiers or more gear. Those are the guys that are going to win. How many times did god come down from the heavens above and say, Hey sorry guys! The earth and probability can't handle all you fighting at once so I'm going to have to ask about 80% of you to go home and only send out a few groups at a time! It doesn't work like that and if it did the face of our society today would be quite different.(Refer to the world ganking germany in WW) If an army has power it should be able to use it's power. Granted these days most nations don't have overwhelming numbers like back in the medieval days of massive ground conflict. Today it's more or less who has more buttons and bombs. If the servers capability is limited then so will the scalibility of conflict and that in my opinion is not the way Eve should be played. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Remmington Daniels Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Grim Faust You yourself seem to be under the misconception of why you're powerful. If the coalition brought fleets to your doorstep in the size they were capable of, you wouldn't stand a chance no matter what sort of spirit you had. We did ask them to bring it to us. Apart from F-T and the other cap fight that I actually missed.. they didn't.
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:58:00 - [96] Edited by: Byzan Zwyth on 05/06/2007 21:58:11 I dont know, call me an eve noob but the coalition had a prime chance to win this thing. But seemed like they never realy had a plan. We had serious crap thrown at us but it never seemed to have a meaning other than to disrupt us which was not enough to justify the shear number of hostile ships in our space. The other thing I see was the coalition not securing the services of MC. I seem to remember before this all started an MC leader hinted they would work for anyone if there was a solid plan of attack with clear goals and payment enough to make it a good deal. But the coalition thought it would be a better idea to smack them on the forum and call them bob pets and even attack them in game - I'm sure after that they were dying for someone to come and hire them against the coalition. If I had any say in how to attack bob I would have done my best to get the MC on side. I would have drawn up clear and realistic sequence of goals for them to work on and secured them support and allies to work with. For payment they would firstly need space and "set up shop". Payment would have to be more than enought to seal the deal. Lots of ISK & toss in a titan or motherships to make them lick their lips a bit. Bob are a huge force anyway there is not doubt, but the difference between having to fight the MC as well as BoB and having the MC on your side to fight BoB is massive... Anyway, better luck to the next lot. I think bob agree - more than anything they want a good fight it seems. ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:00:00 - [97] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: Grim Faust You yourself seem to be under the misconception of why you're powerful. If the coalition brought fleets to your doorstep in the size they were capable of, you wouldn't stand a chance no matter what sort of spirit you had. We did ask them to bring it to us. Apart from F-T and the other cap fight that I actually missed.. they didn't. You know as well as I do, if the servers weren't so laggy when the local numbers were high we'd all be having more fun and seeing larger scale battles. But people do know what happens when you form massive fleets and that's why people don't do it to often. It either leads to CCP capping a system or the server crashing and in either scenario it leads to a lot of frustration and no fun for anyone. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:25:00 - [98] Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: Tzrailasa All of the above helps (sometimes a lot), but would be worth absolutely NOTHING without the real reason, which is the one where we DIFFER from most of our current enemies: BoB pilots come back in another ship after being blown up, where many of our enemies (after a while) doesn't! If the coalition brought fleets to your doorstep in the size they were capable of, you wouldn't stand a chance no matter what sort of spirit you had. Why don't they then? ... Oh, yes. The servers doesn't really support that... Then..... What keeps the coalition from coming at us with numbers that match ours and which the server can handle? What keeps the coalition from continually raiding our back yard the way we do theirs? What keeps the coalition from actually fighting for their space? They did the above for the first part of the war, but not anymore.... Why? ...because a lot of their people don't show up anymore..... QED Originally by: Grim Faust I'd like to point it out as a prime example how long FLA held off MC and friends. A seemingly small alliance with no hope, yet we stood our ground longer than most other forces that were multiple times larger and more skilled than us. But in the end that did not matter and from the start we knew our resilience wasn't going to save us (). For a similar situation, look at FIX. In this war, they held off for a long time against the ENTIRE north (5+ alliances)..... AND THEN THEIR ALLIES (us/others) SHOWED UP AND HELPED THEM! Do you see where the difference is? At the point where I've inserted a () in your text, add "and neither were our allies"... If you, MM, D2, RZR, etc. had kept fighting, you'd still be there... ...but a lot of coalition people didn't show up... QED Originally by: Grim Faust If the enemy force is larger and has more pilots/ships, it's not about spirit or pride or who's fighting for what reason. You may want to ask RA whether this is true... They were down to 1 system, attacked by much larger forces, but they held on and didn't give up.... ...you gave up... Originally by: Grim Faust If the servers capability is limited then so will the scalibility of conflict and that in my opinion is not the way Eve should be played. If the servers capabilities are limited, you may wish for better days, or you may adapt to whatever the servers can deliver.... We all KNOW by experience what the servers can deliver and what they can't. That is basically part of the tactical environment for EVE and we can't change it. There are two ways of handling it, one is to adapt, the other is to complain.... ...guess which one wins you battles/wars? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
insolace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:29:00 - [99] "Alright goons, let's jump into battle! Gate is green!" (session change in progress) ... ... (session change in progress) ... ... "What's that bright light?" I'm sorry but did anyone not fielding multiple "I-win" buttons want to complain about a lack of fleets being brought to their doorstep? Yeah let's break our enemies will to fight by removing fleet combat from the game and relegating territorial warfare to POS purchases. Fighting will now only occur when the titan pilots in your address book have little red squares next to their avatars, and will largely be incidental in terms of actual impact on the war you're supposedly a part of. Also this is not actually a gripe towards bob but rather the current state of alliance warfare. Some of us goons that are finally getting into HACs and t2 sniping battleships are finding it frustrating that we don't get to use them. I think if CCP removed supercapitals from this game both sides of this conflict would be having a lot more fun. Instead we're stuck at a ******** stalemate with no actual fun combat to be found.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:34:00 - [100] Edited by: Grim Faust on 05/06/2007 22:34:44 Originally by: Tzrailasa stuff Once again you turn my post in to why BoB is better than everyone else. Get over yourself already because I don't care and the majority of people don't care either. My point as it has been since I first remarked is that the servers lack-there-of ability to handle large scale conflict scales and alters the very face of war and you even admitted that by saying people adapt to that and exploit it to it's potential. It's because of this cap that people can take advantage of a server specification and win when they otherwise may not be able to on the larger scale of massive coalitions of alliances trying to zerg someone through sheer numbers. That is using means of technicality to win rather than size or force. Just because you can use great tactics based around technicalities, doesn't mean the technicalities in the first place should be trumped out. Server caps will always be a **ty factor to deal with so long as they exist and no able minded person can deny that. Once again, this isn't about why you think BoB is great. This can happen to anyone, it just so happens though BoB was recently in a situation so it's kinda hard to not relate the subject to BoB. But go ahead and talk about yourself some more if you want. Or perhaps try to engage in the same conversation I'm trying to have and tell me just why it is you think server caps are so ***** great. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(

Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:47:00 - [101] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 05/06/2007 22:50:19 Originally by: Grim Faust I'm trying to have and tell me just why it is you think server ~~caps~~technology limits are so ******* great. I don't think they are and would prefer the EVE servers being capable of handling 10000 vs 10000 battles without lag. I believe so would CCP as well as all players.... However, I might as well wish for a million RL ISK, neither is going to happen.... We have the conditions we have. Server and EVE technology doesn't support huge battles well. Deal with it! What-if's are useless... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:54:00 - [102] Originally by: Tzrailasa We have the conditions we have. Server and EVE technology doesn't support huge battles well. Deal with it! What-if's are useless... I suppose dealing with it will make Eve a better game? Maybe we should all just cuddle CCP and tell them that they don't need to upgrade the servers and that everything is fine. It's apathetic remarks like that that make you sound like you care more about leaving things as is rather than making improvements. How that helps the community is beyond me. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:56:00 - [103] This is how I see it lv/bob lost their front. MC and a few others won against d2, no clue how though
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:59:00 - [104] Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: Tzrailasa We have the conditions we have. Server and EVE technology doesn't support huge battles well. Deal with it! What-if's are useless... I suppose dealing with it will make Eve a better game? Maybe we should all just cuddle CCP and tell them that they don't need to upgrade the servers and that everything is fine. It's apathetic remarks like that that make you sound like you care more about leaving things as is rather than making improvements. How that helps the community is beyond me. Flaming, flaming, flaming..... You forgot to quote the parts where I wished for better servers.... Stop whining and start pew-pew'ing instead!!! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:03:00 - [105] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: Tzrailasa We have the conditions we have. Server and EVE technology doesn't support huge battles well. Deal with it! What-if's are useless... I suppose dealing with it will make Eve a better game? Maybe we should all just cuddle CCP and tell them that they don't need to upgrade the servers and that everything is fine. It's apathetic remarks like that that make you sound like you care more about leaving things as is rather than making improvements. How that helps the community is beyond me. Flaming, flaming, flaming..... You forgot to quote the parts where I wished for better servers.... Stop whining and start pew-pew'ing instead!!! If me making valid points is whining, then you throwing out what you thinks is valid is also whining. So I guess the next step would be to tell you to stfu and stop being a hypocrite. Followed by your reposte and a flame fest that could go on until the cows come home. But I will just cut the crap and digress at the point where I just tell you to stfu and leave the subject alone. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:17:00 - [106] I feared that this topic would degenerate into a slagging match between various factions. I did post this in GD so that those in small corps and NPC corps could at least agree/disagre with my comments. The gods (mods) decided to move it and havn't even had the decency to reply to my email asking to be put back into GD. I wonder if they Macro posts that mention Bob to CAOD As for the responce I am a little disapointed with the poor quality. The standard "Yawn another Anit-Bob post, f*** off and leave the game", one accused me of being a Bob alt, I smiled at that one, others blaming each other for various defeats, some complaining that the game is rigged in favour of Bob and some very silly posts that went way over my head. Reading various other posts and speaking with people I think I now know whats wrong. Bob pilots (and some pets) are simply to good for the majority of players in the game thanks to superiour FC's and pilots that do as they are told. They do not fear death for what they lose is soon replaced be it a BS, Dread, HAC or Frig etc. So far as I can tell this is not true of any other alliance unless you happen to be one of the choosen few high up in the chain of command. I have lost many ships in the past protecting alliance space and very few of us got replacement ships. Unless the other alliances beef up their organisation and reduce the consequences of death in service then people will be more cautious in battle, Bob on the other hand take risks. Bob seem to be better organised at every level and this is why they are so good. Sad but true. On with the training.
insolace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:34:00 - [107] Originally by: Scum Killer Reading various other posts and speaking with people I think I now know whats wrong. Bob pilots (and some pets) are simply to good for the majority of players in the game thanks to superiour FC's and pilots that do as they are told. They do not fear death for what they lose is soon replaced be it a BS, Dread, HAC or Frig etc. So far as I can tell this is not true of any other alliance unless you happen to be one of the choosen few high up in the chain of command. I have lost many ships in the past protecting alliance space and very few of us got replacement ships. so you're saying they're better because they have more isk to replace ships with? are a bigger corp wallet and more vassals signs of superior skill, or simply a sign of having a head start? This is the fundamental issue I see with the whole "future of eve and bob" question. CCP just announced that they are going to spend 7 million dollars marketing this game to new players. One would assume that those new players would desire at least the pretense of having a chance at knocking down the king of the mountain, especially considering the time based nature of skillpoints in this game. If in the end a well established empire of high SP players with continually growing isk and legions of vassals cannot be removed by anyone then what's the point of playing an MMORPG where PVP actually has consequences? (unlike wow where dying is a mere annoyance and PVE is the primary focus).
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:37:00 - [108] Originally by: Scum Killer They do not fear death for what they lose is soon replaced be it a BS, Dread, HAC or Frig etc. Only some BoB corp replace ships.... What's more important I think, is that BoB players play this game to shoot stuff! We don't have the option of NOT coming out in a new ship because fighting IS the reason we play this game. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Scum Killer They do not fear death for what they lose is soon replaced be it a BS, Dread, HAC or Frig etc. Only some BoB corp replace ships.... What's more important I think, is that BoB players play this game to shoot stuff! We don't have the option of NOT coming out in a new ship because fighting IS the reason we play this game. Stands on top of hill waving a bob flag, beaming with pride about my fellow bobs. Who cares when the universe hates you, as long as you stand together. Wouldn't want it any other way Respect is earnt on the battlefield
Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:53:00 - [110] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Scum Killer They do not fear death for what they lose is soon replaced be it a BS, Dread, HAC or Frig etc. Only some BoB corp replace ships.... What's more important I think, is that BoB players play this game to shoot stuff! We don't have the option of NOT coming out in a new ship because fighting IS the reason we play this game. From my limited experiance that is indeed the case. Too many times I seen people to "scared" to come out of stations and engage the enemy. Too many times I seen people who sit in station for hours for a hostile fleet to leave the area only to emerge when safe in their faction fitted BS to go ratting. I also know damn well they had a BC, AF, Inty tucked up in the station as well. I am sure from time to time that person was me , but for sure I was never alone in the station.

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:58:00 - [111] Originally by: Tzrailasa What's more important I think, is that BoB players play this game to shoot stuff! We don't have the option of NOT coming out in a new ship because fighting IS the reason we play this game. Thats the reason most of us play the game BOB are seriously organized, but you don't fight BOB, you have to wade your way through the myriad of alliances that are willing to sacrifice their ships in the name of BOB first. In the last 4 months of fighting, I think we only engaged around 5 pure BOB fleets. (not a flame..its amazing how you motivate your "pets") Atm, the game cannot handle an attack on BOB space...to beat them we first need to hire some half decent programmers that understand scalable solutions, and then donate some real life money to provide the hardware Until then..BOB rules, sad but true Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:01:00 - [112] Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Simultaneous strikes on several different fronts. Bob may be good but they cant be everywhere at once. Been there, done that. Have you been away for the last six months? Try going it right, when i say simultaneous i mean exactly at the same time, even if Bob manages to spread their stront timers on 3 different systems across 3 diffrent days they're gonna have one hell of a time moving their capital fleet back and forth across half the universe. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Terranid Meester Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:16:00 - [113] You know things are going poorly when the enemy starts giving you advice on how to defeat them. Although the increase of 'its your fault' and 'we cannot adapt' threads also give it away. Poor allies also don't help.
niroshido Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:39:00 - [114] u want BOB dead, then stop asking how do u kill em, stop being so d&^^^ess grow some ***** and learn to fight nough said
Scum Killer Hang'em High	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:47:00 - [115] Originally by: niroshido u want BOB dead, then stop asking how do u kill em, stop being so d&^^^ess grow some *** and learn to fight nough said Thank you oh so much for your enlightend responce to this thread. When your **s have dropped then you maybe mature enough to contribute to the topic. Until then please keep out of this thread and leave the adult stuff to the more mature folks in the eve comunity. Further input of this nature is not welcome and serves no real purpose to the topic other than to discredit your corp. "nough said"
n0sPIG Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:54:00 - [116] Originally by: Plim Alt = Psycarne. I think I used him more than Plim in Fountain. And no I don't play much anymore. But I do spend some time pointing out people's bull on the forums. Also my post was a response to someone trolling Celes if you read back. So your "lose a bit of respect statement" seems a bit off, take it up with the trolls, not me. If you respect balances on the fact that you don't want me to respond when people make moronic statements, then I don't want it. The only time I get 'bitter' in EVE is when I don't get a fight. So yeah i'm bitter when I see my enemies running from a good fight. I only care about in game politics when it means I get to shoot people. Frankly I don't give a damn whether Xelas is still in Fountain or not. My poor Plimmy getting wound up ♥
Lord Seth Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:58:00 - [117] "You can't stop progression"
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 01:05:00 - [118] Originally by: insolace Fighting will now only occur when the titan pilots in your address book have little red squares next to their avatars, and will largely be incidental in terms of actual impact on the war you're supposedly a part of. I think if CCP removed supercapitals from this game both sides of this conflict would be having a lot more fun. Instead we're stuck at a ****** stalemate with no actual fun combat to be found. Sunday 27 May 2007 18:00 eve time, wasnt a goon fleet sitting in 77s with a RA mom which went through 3 consecutive battles that happened? yes...... did i get my butt handed to me on a silver plater? yes..... did i have fun and get a new ship to get back in there for more? ofc did those of you in goons who were at that battle have fun?** my reason for writing this is that our titan pilot was logged in, goons were up for a fight so we went balls to the wall and jumped in to get a fight. if you dont have the testicular fortitude to do something like that you might as well quit eve or stay in empire. super caps are in this game to stay so you either adapt and do the best you can or you just give up. there are still pleanty of oportunities to have fun with pvp besides having a super cap at your side waiting to pounce ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Skywatch	Posted - 2007.06.06 01:14:00 - [119] NPC stations is where the rebels can gather.....In all seriousness lets not be doomsayers when it comes to the future of EVE
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:49:00 - [120] I have a cunning plan! Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"

Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 06:41:00 - [121] I've fought extensively in the North, through four station conquers. Each time, Janus Drake's Leviathan titan was there, as well as a few of the D2 Motherships. The others, being conspicuously absent. How many times did I get DDed? None. MC/M.Pire/YouWhat/Tri/Coreli/Axe/Etc forces up there actually have anti-doomsday protocols. We've lost something like only a dozen ships in over two months from doomsdays. and most of them stuff like T1 cruisers. Even Battleships can escape easilly, and Frigs damn well can. It doesn't take much effort to dodge a doomsday, and we do just fine. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:19:00 - [122] Originally by: Aries Acheron It doesn't take much effort to dodge a doomsday, and we do just fine. QFT! Evil Thug has been trying to DD us a lot in the south (he's more or less given up now) but hasn't been very successful. ET is not a bad Titan Pilot either, but once you know how to avoid DD's, it's really pretty easy. I've lost one ship to him, but escaped at least 4 or 5 times more. One thing DD's are good for though, is as an object to whine about when you lack the testicular fortitude to fight.... Besides, the implact of DD's isn't all that great. Around 90%+ of all kills are still made by old-fashioned ship-ship combat. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Angelonico Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:22:00 - [123] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Scum Killer Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture. The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob Red Alliance? Fix? Mercenary Coalition? Did you seriously just put fix on the same level as RA and MC as far as long term accomplishments?
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:51:00 - [124] Edited by: violator2k5 on 06/06/2007 08:51:00 Originally by: insolace I think you miss the point. All the titan doomsday does is encourage the other side to not fight, and if we do decide to show up and your titan pilot gets bored he will kill all your targets and you might as well have not shown up yourself. It's a pointless weapon with no strategic application other than "end the battle before the fleets can actually engage each other". Surely bob pilots have noticed that since the introduction of multiple titans the actual ammount of strategically relevant sub-capital fleet battles has dwindled. What fun is EVE if you've effectively nerfed all ship classes except carriers, dreads, motherships and titans? as said already dd's can be bypassed but there are sure ways of making that weapon truely effective and there fairly obvious. sure the fleet battles have dwindled but thats mainly due to certain varibles at the time, your numbers, your fc's state of mind and ofc what type of ships your in. besides that roaming gangs are usually formed up from standard ships which really dont include cap ships unless there vital depending on situation a cap era is coming imo and it will probably get to the point that the only ships to use will be cyno ships / dictors / ceptors and ofc caps as ships of choice for fleet battles. the lag from battles like that alone will probably be tremendous unless fighter / drone lag is fixed ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Remmington Daniels Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:41:00 - [125] Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: Grim Faust You yourself seem to be under the misconception of why you're powerful. If the coalition brought fleets to your doorstep in the size they were capable of, you wouldn't stand a chance no matter what sort of spirit you had. We did ask them to bring it to us. Apart from F-T and the other cap fight that I actually missed.. they didn't. You know as well as I do, if the servers weren't so laggy when the local numbers were high we'd all be having more fun and seeing larger scale battles. But people do know what happens when you form massive fleets and that's why people don't do it to often. It either leads to CCP capping a system or the server crashing and in either scenario it leads to a lot of frustration and no fun for anyone. True But recently for me, the lag hasn't been that bad. F-T wasn't that laggy for me i'll admit that my net connection is not the best in the world. Some times 2-3 ship gangs lag for me. However F-T was bareable. But I agree with that about the "capping systems" but then again. Its a game mechanic, to prevent a total clusterfk.
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:49:00 - [126] Originally by: Cartiff I have a cunning plan! It's so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel! Say what?
Glitch 10240 Rage Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:58:00 - [127] Well there is a few things that could happen, depending on the wars outcome. For one if the Coalition wins: I think it will be like BOB was never there the "pets" will either fight, or forge together to fight their previous enemies. All in all it will be cool, alot of smaller wars going on. But there will be another "super alliance" somewhere. If BOB win: They will eventually fall apart. Think about it, their enemies are saying they would quit the game if they succeed, bob are a PVP corp, if they cant get ppl to fight, you think they would play? If i win? I'll open up Delve as a holiday resort, and Fountain as a Colleseum for ppl to come together and fight. Anyway this all goes, eve will be a very different place, and i think the people who will quit will be those who moan at ship loss, i think it will turn all the enemies of BOB into guerilla warfare style ppl, who attack bob and his allies, avoiding their main fleet(s). Hell there is always empire PVP guys, which means less lag/pos warefare :) -------------------------------- Recruitment Post
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:17:00 - [128] Originally by: Remmington Daniels But I agree with that about the "capping systems" but then again. Its a game mechanic, to prevent a total clusterfk. I still find the idea that a system cap affected the battle in F-TE1T pretty unlikely since it doesn't at all fit the facts of what actually happened there. The supposed cap was a 700 people limit, but F-TE1T never went above 550 at any point in the battle. If you know just a little bit about client/server systems, you'd have a fair idea of a far more likely explanation (at least if CCP implements their client/server system like everyone else). The node went from a relatively inactive state (many people, but sitting still, not many actions, no enemies), to a very active state (even more people, all doing lots of stuff, enemies being present) when the coalition started bringing their ships in directly without using a loading spot. This most likely caused the node to hit 100% CPU usage when that happened, and any overload mechanics CCP has implemented kicked it. A normal overload mechanic on any client/server system does two things: 1. It throttles new traffic (i.e. in EVE terms, no more people are allowed to jump in) 2. It handles existing traffic in turn (i.e. in EVE terms, what we see as lag on actions) This fits the facts of what happened far better than any maximum cap on number of players. First bunch of people jump in, fighting starts, node hits 100% CPU, no more people allowed in, lag sets in, when first bunch are mostly killed node goes below 100% CPU, another group is let it.... repeat.... Note that this is by no means a good solution to the problem, but it's better than the alternative which is allowing the node to crash (which was probably what happened in JV1). This is also a far better overload architecture than any cap on max. players, since number of players doesn't directly relate to node loads. The node load relates directly to the amount of player actions, not player numbers. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Ashen Brarn Milan Engineering	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:27:00 - [129] Originally by: Angelonico Did you seriously just put fix on the same level as RA and MC as far as long term accomplishments? Did you just put "Battlestars" above FIX in term of long term accomplishments?
Santorin	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:46:00 - [130] Don't worry!! When BOB have taken over it will be like Empire vs Rebel Alliance mohaha!

Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:53:00 - [131] Originally by: Santorin Don't worry!! When BOB have taken over it will be like Empire vs Rebel Alliance mohaha! Whishfull thinking of a BoB alt? Forget it. As long as BoB is in a good position they will be evaded. Once they tire they will be attacked and crushed. If they do not tire, they get no fights. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:12:00 - [132] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Remmington Daniels But I agree with that about the "capping systems" but then again. Its a game mechanic, to prevent a total clusterfk. I still find the idea that a system cap affected the battle in F-TE1T pretty unlikely since it doesn't at all fit the facts of what actually happened there. The supposed cap was a 700 people limit, but F-TE1T never went above 550 at any point in the battle. If you know just a little bit about client/server systems, you'd have a fair idea of a far more likely explanation (at least if CCP implements their client/server system like everyone else). The node went from a relatively inactive state (many people, but sitting still, not many actions, no enemies), to a very active state (even more people, all doing lots of stuff, enemies being present) when the coalition started bringing their ships in directly without using a loading spot. This most likely caused the node to hit 100% CPU usage when that happened, and any overload mechanics CCP has implemented kicked it. A normal overload mechanic on any client/server system does two things: 1. It throttles new traffic (i.e. in EVE terms, no more people are allowed to jump in) 2. It handles existing traffic in turn (i.e. in EVE terms, what we see as lag on actions) This fits the facts of what happened far better than any maximum cap on number of players. First bunch of people jump in, fighting starts, node hits 100% CPU, no more people allowed in, lag sets in, when first bunch are mostly killed node goes below 100% CPU, another group is let it.... repeat.... Note that this is by no means a good solution to the problem, but it's better than the alternative which is allowing the node to crash (which was probably what happened in JV1). This is also a far better overload architecture than any cap on max. players, since number of players doesn't directly relate to node loads. The node load relates directly to the amount of player actions, not player numbers. this exactly what i ment before by saying that there is no way to for ccp to handle X-Large Fleet battles at the moment. myself in order to avoid being flagged as troller, here a suggestion: since you seem to have some advanced knowlege about server/client interaction may be you can bring some light into the following situation: so here it is: 2 sides are about to fight eachother. 1 side defends several critical posses in system "X" - the other side is about to hit the road in order to kill those critical poses and seize the system. 600-700 players on each side. every side uses capitals, supercapitals (moms & titans), lots of heavily tanked bs¦s and support. so for the side that is defending its more or less clear, theyre secured the system and waiting enemy to jump in. what exactly the attacking side should do to prevent node to be crashed, system to be capped, lag to exeed accepteble level? p.s.: this is not a flame bate, its a honest question. _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:36:00 - [133] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 18:40:36 Originally by: Liam Galagher Stuff... You break their will to fight before you attack that 'critical POS'.... or you accept that your attack is extremely risky (also remember that the coalition actually did kill their target in F-T)... However, you're still under a mis-perception of what is important for an alliance. POS', stations, ships etc., they can all be rebuilt and loosing them doesn't mean a lot. Your alliance morale CAN'T be rebuilt once shattered! Ask any old alliance player in the game. Alliances are not killed by shooting their stuff. They're killed because they fall apart from internal stress. It happened to ASCN, it happened to D2. It didn't happen to RA. It didn't happen to FIX. You think items in this game are the objectives to kill. They aren't! They're only tools to get at the REAL objective! Wars in EVE are usually not won by a quick strike at a 'critical target' (unless your enemys morale has already been broken). They're won by 3-24 months (not kiddin' either) of grinding your enemy's will to fight away by constant raids and attacks. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:56:00 - [134] Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/06/2007 18:58:07 Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 18:40:36 Originally by: Liam Galagher Stuff... You break their will to fight before you attack that 'critical POS'.... or you accept that your attack is extremely risky (also remember that the coalition actually did kill their target in F-T)... However, you're still under a mis-perception of what is important for an alliance. POS', stations, ships etc., they can all be rebuilt and loosing them doesn't mean a lot. Your alliance morale CAN'T be rebuilt once shattered! Ask any old alliance player in the game. Alliances are not killed by shooting their stuff. They're killed because they fall apart from internal stress. It happened to ASCN, it happened to D2. It didn't happen to RA. It didn't happen to FIX. You think items in this game are the objectives to kill. They aren't! They're only tools to get at the REAL objective! Wars in EVE are usually not won by a quick strike at a 'critical target' (unless your enemys morale has already been broken). They're won by 3-24 months (not kiddin' either) of grinding your enemy's will to fight away by constant raids and attacks. You don't know that because Eve doesn't allow any of us the priviledge to know that. We are allowed to partake in tactical victories over our enemies in this game. However, and a huge however at that, a swift decisive victory through overwhelming power is not possible due to the servers limitations. You can't deny the fact that when the odds are stacked against you, that alone can "break your will to fight". What would happen if 3000 angry pilots from around Eve struck a single alliance in spite of protest? That alliance being attacked would be overwhelmed. It is a very important aspect of war in many situations. A show of force can make an enemy crumble before a single shot is fired or a single arm is raised in defense. That cannot happen in this game. The server does not support it. If you had such a massive fleet on your doorstep, they could bowl over your POS' like it's no ones business. Not alone forgetting the fact that there is tactical strength in numbers when you use the focus fire tactic. Take for example a 1 v 1 battle. Normally you have a stalemate, both parties end up dieing or being repelled to neutral grounds. With a 1 v 2 the larger group has a better chance of winning. The larger the group's number over the opposition, the less likely chance of the larger group even having casualties. So if your side all of the sudden is facing a fleet it can't even scratch due to it's size and you're losing ships left right and center, you can't say that items and possessions don't mean anything. The common soldier does not have an endless supply of ships. You start to widdle down the individuals assets and you start to see battle fatigue and them questioning their leaders on wtf exactly is going on. Perhaps you don't know this because you've been on the winning side so long, but when troops start scraping the bottom of the ISK barrel while the enemy is still flying around decked out ships in an invincible armada your guys start to lose that will to fight. Be that as it may, some people don't like the zerg tactic. But if you have enough people that don't like someone else, they have every right to cluster-**. Especially by means of popularity and perhaps a lack of any other measure of effectively accomplishing a task, you cannot discredit mob mentality. But hey, by the incapabilities of this game, you can typically go ** off every single alliance in this game and not worry because only a fraction of them at any given time will be able to assault you. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:59:00 - [135] Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2007 13:26:49 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication. You also need to amass a few 100b in ISK and assets, find people to sell or spawn you T2 BPOs and then you can seriously consider it and hope the game isn't too broken or otherwise working against you so you can stand a real (i.e. fair) chance. But why bother with all that? Do what most people do, become a pet or a small insignificant entity, or join BoB, or leave the game. EVE-O has become full of whiney people who would like to be on the winning side and more whiney people who have snuggled up under BoB's armpits and are telling other people to do what they were too weak to do. Not my idea of fun anyway. :-/ PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.
Agmar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:16:00 - [136] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Aries Acheron It doesn't take much effort to dodge a doomsday, and we do just fine. once you know how to avoid DD's, it's really pretty easy. True... I find it a lot harder to avoid Chow's DDs than any enemy's.
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:39:00 - [137] Originally by: dan drorgar Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2007 13:26:49 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication. You also need to amass a few 100b in ISK and assets, find people to sell or spawn you T2 BPOs and then you can seriously consider it and hope the game isn't too broken or otherwise working against you so you can stand a real (i.e. fair) chance. But why bother with all that? Do what most people do, become a pet or a small insignificant entity, or join BoB, or leave the game. EVE-O has become full of whiney people who would like to be on the winning side and more whiney people who have snuggled up under BoB's armpits and are telling other people to do what they were too weak to do. Not my idea of fun anyway. :-/ This kind of response is crap. All it takes is some skill at diplomacy, and leadership that makes sound tactical decisions. I used to fly with LV, and they used to catch flack for alleged cheating and GM/Dev involvement. RA decided that they wanted to finally put an end to the year long war with LV. RA's foreign policy makers, politicians and diplomats set to the task of building an unstoppable force for the sole purpose of uprooting LV from the south. The Goons think that they beat LV, but they were simply a tool being wielded by their Red masters. Now that the Reds have accomplished the feat that they set out to do, you see what has happened to the Goons. I believe that RA, and those working under their direction, are the only threat to BoB. Even the recent BoB MS kill was accomplished due to RA planning (even if they had others execute the mission). It is not by accident nor chance that they are a formidable foe. If you want to know how to fight a war, and you are too proud to join the GBC (Greater BoB Community) then ask the Reds. We could use more targets, and we enjoy the challenge. _______
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Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:05:00 - [139] Edited by: Liam Galagher on 06/06/2007 20:06:31 Edited by: Liam Galagher on 06/06/2007 20:05:36 Edited by: Liam Galagher on 06/06/2007 20:04:36 Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 18:40:36 Originally by: Liam Galagher Stuff... You break their will to fight before you attack that 'critical POS'.... or you accept that your attack is extremely risky (also remember that the coalition actually did kill their target in F-T)... However, you're still under a mis-perception of what is important for an alliance. POS', stations, ships etc., they can all be rebuilt and loosing them doesn't mean a lot. Your alliance morale CAN'T be rebuilt once shattered! Ask any old alliance player in the game. Alliances are not killed by shooting their stuff. They're killed because they fall apart from internal stress. It happened to ASCN, it happened to D2. It didn't happen to RA. It didn't happen to FIX. You think items in this game are the objectives to kill. They aren't! They're only tools to get at the REAL objective! Wars in EVE are usually not won by a quick strike at a 'critical target' (unless your enemys morale has already been broken). They're won by 3-24 months (not kiddin' either) of grinding your enemy's will to fight away by constant raids and attacks. you still didnt make any suggestions to the situation as discribed above. no need to escape in alliance-spirit-corner. i was telling that if you try to attack very important systems of an alliance, it will cause a massive gathering of forces on each side. its simply inevidable. happened before, will allways happen in the future. please, dont tell me that you can avoid that by eating up an alliance just bit by bit, break their morale as you say.. such things worked only if the opponents structure was more of industrial nature than pvp. but what will happen if two pvp oriented opponents will start to fight eachother? theyre both very aware of kill/loss ratio, both have very boosted morale, both have super fc¦s and great strategic minded people. so sooner or later one side will have to show initiative and start the major run on the enemy. lets imagine RA/AAA will make an long term assault on BOB, do you really think that it will allways come down to small gang guerilla campain? i seriosly doubt that. in this case both opponents will have very strong morale, very skilled great organazed pvp pilots, very large amount of ressourses to back up their actions and they will bring up huge fleets to achieve their major objectives. i dont see this kind of conflict in a close future though tbh, cause iam sure that leaders of those alliances know that ccp wouldnt be able to provide needed server capabilities without shutting down jita... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:23:00 - [140] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 20:26:45 Originally by: Grim Faust The common soldier does not have an endless supply of ships. You start to widdle down the individuals assets and you start to see battle fatigue and them questioning their leaders on wtf exactly is going on. Your argument is faulty as the 'common soldier' HAS got an endless supply of ships! It takes what, 2-4 hours of ratting to earn enough for a fully fitted battleships (if counting in insurance for the last one), and less for smaller ships. His MORALE is what'll 'kill' him as useful for his alliance, not his lack of ships. As for your fixation on what-if scenarios, I've already answered that here, here and here. ... after which you told me to stfu.... What-if's are nice excuses for why someone fails at EVE, but little use for f-all else since they're NOT the game we're actually playing!!! As for your second post, -A-/RA and BoB HAVE been shooting at each other for years. We're both winning! (the objective is pew-pew, not territory)... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.

Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:32:00 - [141] Originally by: Agmar Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Aries Acheron It doesn't take much effort to dodge a doomsday, and we do just fine. once you know how to avoid DD's, it's really pretty easy. True... I find it a lot harder to avoid Chow's DDs than any enemy's. Hehe My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:35:00 - [142] Originally by: Tzrailasa I still find the idea that a system cap affected the battle in F-TE1T pretty unlikely since it doesn't at all fit the facts of what actually happened there. The supposed cap was a 700 people limit, but F-TE1T never went above 550 at any point in the battle. Btw, are you sure the limit applies to a single system and not to a whole node?
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:44:00 - [143] Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/06/2007 20:46:24 Originally by: Tzrailasa Your argument is faulty as the 'common soldier' HAS got an endless supply of ships! It takes what, 2-4 hours of ratting to earn enough for a fully fitted battleships (if counting in insurance for the last one), and less for smaller ships. His MORALE is what'll 'kill' him as useful for his alliance, not his lack of ships. That is probably one of the most naive things I've heard. If people had this magical limitless supply of ships, no one would ever stop fighting. No one in their right mind anyway. Getting ships takes time. They don't just spring up in your hanger when you have x amount of ISK, not even indirectly as not all 0.0 markets are packed with ships. It's also not an option for everyone to get them from empire and fly them out to 0.0 when they're deep in. By the way, have you ever tried ratting with people camping your trade routes and systems? Obviously not! Nevermind about the reasons why ships aren't as free as you seem to make them out to be. The fact is, when someone's supplies are running on empty they will lose no matter what pride they have. Sure you can come back with time and patience but it doesn't mean you didn't lose because your logistics were gone and it can happen again. And if it does happen again, you don't look like you're full of pride and honor you just start to look like the guys that suck and keep losing ships. You can't run an army on giggles and good intentions or the people with the big guns will come along and smoke you and move along. That's a fact, 0.0 is not free and neither is operating in it and to have that going for you you need ships, lots of ships, that aren't free! __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:51:00 - [144] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 20:26:45 Originally by: Grim Faust The common soldier does not have an endless supply of ships. You start to widdle down the individuals assets and you start to see battle fatigue and them questioning their leaders on wtf exactly is going on. Your argument is faulty as the 'common soldier' HAS got an endless supply of ships! It takes what, 2-4 hours of ratting to earn enough for a fully fitted battleships (if counting in insurance for the last one), and less for smaller ships. His MORALE is what'll 'kill' him as useful for his alliance, not his lack of ships. As for your fixation on what-if scenarios, I've already answered that here, here and here. ... after which you told me to stfu.... What-if's are nice excuses for why someone fails at EVE, but little use for f-all else since they're NOT the game we're actually playing!!! As for your second post, -A-/RA and BoB HAVE been shooting at each other for years. We're both winning! (the objective is pew-pew, not territory)... please, dont mix up my posts and grims.... and yeah, i agree that if bob and a/ra are shooting eachother, both sides actuqally win.. but still, you seem to escape from answering to a situation ive described above.... and skip the links, you dont explain in there anything eigher. _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Indiano Arko Originally by: Tzrailasa I still find the idea that a system cap affected the battle in F-TE1T pretty unlikely since it doesn't at all fit the facts of what actually happened there. The supposed cap was a 700 people limit, but F-TE1T never went above 550 at any point in the battle. Btw, are you sure the limit applies to a single system and not to a whole node? Dunno, but I seem to recall from the posts back then that F-TE1T had a node to itself for that day. That being said, from a client/server point of view a hard cap on players makes little sense as I explained later... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:54:00 - [146] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 21:04:09 Originally by: Liam Galagher please, dont mix up my posts and grims.... Oops, sorry. Your avatars are quite similar.... I was wondering about the difference in tone. Grim seems to be just trolling while yours was much more reasonable... As for an answer, I don't really have one. I agree that server conditions are far from optimal, but there's f-all I can do about it, and probably CCP can't do much either. I accept it and adapt to it. Personally, I see it as just another part of the tactical conditions we have, and I personally wouldn't commit to an attack under the conditions you describe. I would say doing so would be similar to attacking Russia in the middle of winter in RL... Utter folly...... So, if plan A doesn't work, start plan B.. or C.. or D... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:55:00 - [147] This thread is pointless. BoB's already lost XGH outpost to Goonswarm that the Goons didn't even want.
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:00:00 - [148] Originally by: TrevorReznik This thread is pointless. BoB's already lost XGH outpost to Goonswarm that the Goons didn't even want. i dont think the thread is pointles. this thread shows, no matter how childish it may sound to everyone who reads it uncovers the very problem for major strongest alliances at the moment - a disabillity to do anything large-scale because off the inadequate bandwith handling by ccp..... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:00:00 - [149] Edited by: Waut on 06/06/2007 20:59:08 Quote: So how do we "halt" Bob Maybe a bit out-of-the-box thinking is required. Like, have you considered travelling back in time to warn the people of the past? You know, banding together and attack BoB instead of eachother (eg South) before BoB managed to get their cap fleet of doom In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:09:00 - [150] Edited by: Herculite on 06/06/2007 21:09:05 Originally by: Grim Faust That is probably one of the most naive things I've heard. If people had this magical limitless supply of ships, no one would ever stop fighting. No one in their right mind anyway. Getting ships takes time. They don't just spring up in your hanger when you have x amount of ISK, not even indirectly as not all 0.0 markets are packed with ships. It's also not an option for everyone to get them from empire and fly them out to 0.0 when they're deep in. By the way, have you ever tried ratting with people camping your trade routes and systems? Obviously not! Nevermind about the reasons why ships aren't as free as you seem to make them out to be. The fact is, when someone's supplies are running on empty they will lose no matter what pride they have. Sure you can come back with time and patience but it doesn't mean you didn't lose because your logistics were gone and it can happen again. And if it does happen again, you don't look like you're full of pride and honor you just start to look like the guys that suck and keep losing ships. You can't run an army on giggles and good intentions or the people with the big guns will come along and smoke you and move along. That's a fact, 0.0 is not free and neither is operating in it and to have that going for you you need ships, lots of ships, that aren't free! TBH its more willpower than logistics. A weeks worth of casual ratting would net me enough for about 20 fully t2 fitted BS's . These are in endless supply in empire for all intents and purposes. There comes a point where people just say its not worth it and not fun. - After insurance payouts.

Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:17:00 - [151] Originally by: Herculite A weeks worth of casual ratting would net me enough for about 20 fully t2 fitted BS's * Riiiiiight... __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:38:00 - [152] Edited by: Herculite on 06/06/2007 21:37:19 Originally by: Grim Faust Riiiiiight... If you count, minerals, faction drops, salvage and bounties, I made about 1.2 billion in my last carebear week, and I work 8-5, plus have other obligations. Now my skill set in EvE happens to make me pretty much an optimal for ratting, and I know I'm a bit better than most at maximizing cash, but still, thats pretty realistic for me. Now a T2 bs I'm counting at being 60 million these days, 30 for fittings and 30 for insurance. That works out to 20 BS's. Thats just going by empire, if your alliance/corp has any programs it should be even cheaper. Really even having a level 4 mission running set up in empire, should net you enough to have a few new BS's a weekend. ISK isn't why ASCN died, I doubt ISK was D2's problem either. ISK making is easy, its the spending it that some people have a problem with.
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:55:00 - [153] Edited by: Grim Faust on 06/06/2007 21:55:09 Originally by: Herculite Edited by: Herculite on 06/06/2007 21:37:19 Originally by: Grim Faust Riiiiiight... If you count, minerals, faction drops, salvage and bounties, I made about 1.2 billion in my last carebear week, and I work 8-5, plus have other obligations. Now my skill set in EvE happens to make me pretty much an optimal for ratting, and I know I'm a bit better than most at maximizing cash, but still, thats pretty realistic for me. Now a T2 bs I'm counting at being 60 million these days, 30 for fittings and 30 for insurance. That works out to 20 BS's. Thats just going by empire, if your alliance/corp has any programs it should be even cheaper. Really even having a level 4 mission running set up in empire, should net you enough to have a few new BS's a weekend. ISK isn't why ASCN died, I doubt ISK was D2's problem either. ISK making is easy, its the spending it that some people have a problem with. It may not make a difference for some groups of people who don't know how to manage things. However for those that do but have less in terms of resources it means everything because they know that good intentions don't win wars. So like I said, what it boils down to is who has more ships to keep throwing at the enemy. You keep redirecting to the past of losers though and defining what I say as untrue around people who lost and didn't have the right idea. That's great, but it holds no water when you look at people who do have a will to fight and do so vigorously. BoB is not the only determined set of people out there, but they more than likely were of the first to capitolize on this and it's why BoB can hold it's power over others with relative ease. Especially in cases where perfectly able and determined people form but get smashed by greater groupings of people. Once again, why do they lose? You can be determined to win, but you still can't do so without the right tools and especially not when the enemies sheer gathering of said tools are larger than yours. If you held half of BoB on one side of the field and then half of BoB on the other side who would win? Certainly no one would win because according to you guys, heart is all you need. Seriously though, when you pit determination vs determination it's always going to be the guy with more ships. That would be a successful and great war and one that this game has seemingly been lacking except a few instances here and there. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:02:00 - [154] actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space. but does not seem likely to happen... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:09:00 - [155] Originally by: Liam Galagher actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space. but does not seem likely to happen... Alliances may be killed off, but the people will mostly remain in EVE. And usually, they'll align up again in new alliances more or less along the same conflict lines.... The more things change, the more they stay the same... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:10:00 - [156] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Liam Galagher actually what iam thinking of is: (even if its noobish) bob vs aaa/ra/gs kill eachother off - so as a result new era in eve starts....where more new, younger corps/alliances move into a freed space. but does not seem likely to happen... Alliances may be killed off, but the people will mostly remain in EVE. And usually, they'll align up again in new alliances more or less along the same conflict lines.... The more things change, the more they stay the same... only the future will tell... _________________________________________ * i¦ve got the finger on the button *
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:57:00 - [157] I think its too late for us. The only way BoB will fall is if they make a catastrophic mistake themselves. Too few answered ASCN's call and later "The Coalition's"
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:48:00 - [158] You should be the change that you want to see in the world. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always. Whenever you are confronted with an opponent, conquer him with love. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Cattraknoff Caldari Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:24:00 - [159] The way to beat BoB is to wtfpwn them on the forums with 50 threads per day. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Fedaykinn OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:48:00 - [160] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 07/06/2007 00:47:21 The op does have a point you know.. I mean look at EVE in china, there was a north versus south war, the north eventually won owned all of 0.0 space and everyone left lol and now they peak at about 4K users instead of what used to be 15k-20k every night If a alliance does ever eventually own all of 0.0 space and everyone runs out of determination to fight back everyone will leave. Im not saying BOB will acheive this im just saying what will happen if they (or anyone else) does For now though im just gonna keep pirating and stay out of 0.0 polotics :). Best way to be Yes I Typo, Does It Look Like I Care?

Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:56:00 - [161] Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 05/06/2007 13:26:49 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication. Just ******* do it instead of talking about it on the forums. None of the people that are actually trying are likely to take advice from forum monkeys and armchair generals anyway. Ah, wisdom. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:05:00 - [162] Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 07/06/2007 01:04:16 Originally by: Larsson7 It is actually very easy. (1) Build a train (2) Fill train with assortment of pvpers (3) Remove train brakes (4) Set autopilot to NOL Voila, you arrive in NOL and crush the ebil BoB. Oh wait..... This post wins thread. mmmkay Adm
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 04:05:00 - [163] Originally by: Cattraknoff The way to beat BoB is to wtfpwn them on the forums with 50 threads per day. Yes... That DOES seem to be the common perception, doesn't it? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 05:14:00 - [164] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Scum Killer Edited by: Scum Killer on 05/06/2007 12:08:19 Until recently I have been doing carebear stuff. Before that I been in several alliances and found the organisation to be poor with minimal goals and most of the leaders seem to be more interested in their own little piece of the Eve pie than any bigger picture. The only alliance that has been achieving anything long lasting is of course Bob Red Alliance? Fix? Mercenary Coalition? 2 of the 3 are confirmed BoB pets, of course they'll have something long standing.....your point? lmao, can't believe you just called MC pets lol. sniff...sniff you smell something? Smells like Seleene writing up a new contract Go fight one of these so called pets and see what happens. At least we in BoB give kudos to alliances that are decent, even hostile ones, the rest of you pansies just whine and moan and b!tch about those who are your betters. Props to the few in the coalition that fight, no props to the rest of you. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected]
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.07 13:00:00 - [165] Originally by: Fred0 What you need to do is take the time and build a corp and alliance with better leadership, better fc's and better members and then go head to head. There's no easy fix, it takes time and dedication. And spies, don't forget the spies.
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.07 13:06:00 - [166] Originally by: Dark Shikari The way you halt BoB is by not posting "ZOMG BOB HAS WON" or "ZOMG BOB IS GOING TO WIN" or "ZOMG HOW WE STOP BOB" threads every couple of hours and instead actually play the game. QFT When this war unfolded out in the open BoB members were not posting in CAOD for quite some time while Coalition members busied themselves creating these long threads of really not much substance. The time that they have spent blabbering here on the forum BoB members have spent actually playing the game.
Tyrus Ex Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 13:33:00 - [167] Originally by: Fedaykinn The op does have a point you know.. I mean look at EVE in china, there was a north versus south war, the north eventually won owned all of 0.0 space and everyone left lol and now they peak at about 4K users instead of what used to be 15k-20k every night If you have a solid reference for this, throw it this way please. Tyrus -----


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