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MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:36:00 - [61] Whats with all these losers who want easy kills in low sec. LOL. Stop trying to design the game to easy for pirating in low sec. Low sec is basically 0.0... gate guns suck.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:39:00 - [62] Originally by: MehTheTrader Whats with all these losers who want easy kills in low sec. LOL. Stop trying to design the game to easy for pirating in low sec. Low sec is basically 0.0... gate guns suck. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Macmuelli Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.06.07 21:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Macmuelli on 07/06/2007 21:43:08 if pirating is easy like now...(missionsganking) or all mission runners start warping to station when a pirate gang pop up in local the pirates will get jobless or start carebearing "cirlce of eve life" "Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 22:00:00 - [64] Ohnos i cant do my missions alone.... Adapt fight back Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.07 22:07:00 - [65] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 07/06/2007 22:07:03 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Ohnos i cant do my missions alone.... Adapt fight back So a mission runner brings 10 pilots with him. Isk is not worth. The only adaption is going back to hi sec. Locking down the system for an alliance is another solution which is also pointless, you can do that in 0.0. lvl 4 are meant for solo missoners to be useful. If someone wanted to actually bring a fleet, they would be doing plex's. But mission runners are soloing, or else its not isk efficient. 2 people max, then lvl 3's win over. 2 people die easy. Your not pvping, you are ganking/griefing in this position. Big difference.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.07 22:56:00 - [66] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 07/06/2007 22:07:03 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Ohnos i cant do my missions alone.... Adapt fight back So a mission runner brings 10 pilots with him. Isk is not worth. The only adaption is going back to hi sec. Locking down the system for an alliance is another solution which is also pointless, you can do that in 0.0. lvl 4 are meant for solo missoners to be useful. If someone wanted to actually bring a fleet, they would be doing plex's. But mission runners are soloing, or else its not isk efficient. 2 people max, then lvl 3's win over. 2 people die easy. Your not pvping, you are ganking/griefing in this position. Big difference. Run 4-7 or so different missions using 10 people. If someone gets ganked, warp out of yours and to your buddy. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:01:00 - [67] players like you just show the rest how ret@rded some of the playerbase are... why is it you think that "if it suits me but not you then ** OFF", but why was it probes was implanted in the first place?! gues two times, and why didn't people like you leave before they came into the game?!.. idiot... well i think there is some good points in the op. Originally by:** Ryas Nia omg worst idea ever! I live in low sec, run missions in low sec, and probe mission runners in low sec. Its LOW SEC there is supposed to be risk involved, try 0.0 where short of a POS, station or logging of your a target. At least in low sec deadspace gives you some protection... infact IMO too much. Then im not a fan of chance based probes. Im sorry you cant play in low sec, this game must be very hard for you, enjoy wow... o and can i have your stuff. ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Ridley Tree if you just plain can't figure out how to not get ganked in missions or travel safely then you pretty much suck at EVE. If you live in 0.1-0.4 and whine like a baby because you want more defenseless mission-running victims, then you pretty much suck at EVE.
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: Ridley Tree if you just plain can't figure out how to not get ganked in missions or travel safely then you pretty much suck at EVE. If you live in 0.1-0.4 and whine like a baby because you want more defenseless mission-running victims, then you pretty much suck at EVE. You failed your 8th grade reading class didnt you?
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:46:00 - [70] IRON? Don't you have better things to be doing than trolling forums? Things like smacktalking in local, and running from a fair fight? But I guess being in IRON you just couldn't help identifying with these whining lowsec pirates who want easy victims.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: Ridley Tree if you just plain can't figure out how to not get ganked in missions or travel safely then you pretty much suck at EVE. If you live in 0.1-0.4 and whine like a baby because you want more defenseless mission-running victims, then you pretty much suck at EVE. Sure if you live in .1-.4 and you do whine like a baby for more defenseless mission-running victims, then you probably do suck at EVE. There are already plenty of them here! ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:11:00 - [72] Originally by: MehTheTrader Whats with all these losers who want easy kills in low sec. LOL. Stop trying to design the game to easy for pirating in low sec. Low sec is basically 0.0... gate guns suck. The problem is that lowsec pirates think they are just as "entitled" to easy player-kills as carebears are entitled to NPC-kills. Except, NPC's aren't people. Some pirates just cannot really comprehend that fact. PEOPLE don't want to give you free isk, or free kills, or free ego-stroking. Basically, the pirates who don't want a fair fight are just carebears who got tired of NPC missions. Some of them probably need to go BACK to missions, since they don't have (and will never get) an endless stream of easy kills from players. I agree the game should include piracy, but if they want pew-pew their victims will need a really good reason to walk into the line of fire. Originally by: MehTheTrader Then again hi-sec is not even safe, too easy too suicide with bs, cheap insurance prices. That's going a bit far. Yeah freighters or haulers can get suicided for ISK, and if people want to use disposable alts they can just suicide anyone for no reason. But highsec is still "safe." Stay out of Caldari space and you probably eliminate 80% of the highsec danger right there... and if you're running a 1Bisk pile of faction mods, make sure you know who the hell is around you.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:15:00 - [73] Originally by: Chelone The problem is that lowsec pirates think they are just as "entitled" to easy player-kills as carebears are entitled to NPC-kills. Except, NPC's aren't people. Some pirates just cannot really comprehend that fact. PEOPLE don't want to give you free isk, or free kills, or free ego-stroking. Yep, so entitled to those easy player-kills that I've gone ahead and given away the deep dark secret of using your scanner to watch for probes and how to avoid gate-camps. The only people whining in this thread have been mission runners who don't want to take the same precautions everyone else does in low-sec. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:27:00 - [74] Originally by: Ridley Tree Yep, so entitled to those easy player-kills that I've gone ahead and given away the deep dark secret of using your scanner to watch for probes and how to avoid gate-camps. The only people whining in this thread have been mission runners who don't want to take the same precautions everyone else does in low-sec. Only way to know what's on the other side of a gate, outside a station, etc is a scout. Some people don't want to pay for 2 accounts, nor do they want to constantly depend on friends to scout for them. And if someone has to constantly scan and scan during a mission, like a bird who is eating and constantly popping its head up looking for possible attackers, that too is a hassle and would require greater compensation. Also - new, higher level agents aren't even in the game nor distributed to their lowsec locations yet. You don't know what conditions will be like then. Put more chum in the water and more sharks are going to show up. If CCP has any sense, they will vastly spread out these lowsec agents and make them numerous enough to give people some small sense of safety, rather than simply creating new griefing hotspots.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Chelone Only way to know what's on the other side of a gate, outside a station, etc is a scout. Some people don't want to pay for 2 accounts, nor do they want to constantly depend on friends to scout for them. And if someone has to constantly scan and scan during a mission, like a bird who is eating and constantly popping its head up looking for possible attackers, that too is a hassle and would require greater compensation. Its not if someone has to. They have to. Period. Just as I do when trying to explore or hide in a safe. Great so if they don't want a second account and don't want to play with friends, then they won't be able to scout and that sucks for them. Get friends, get a second account, fly a stabbed up ship, fly a small ship etc... plenty of ways to get through low sec (and 0.0) safely. Quote: Also - new, higher level agents aren't even in the game nor distributed to their lowsec locations yet. You don't know what conditions will be like then. Yep I don't know, nor do you, hence why I'm not talking about some hypothetical future when Lvl 5s come out. I'm talking about the here, the now, and how to avoid people like myself if you want to care bear it up in low-sec. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:33:00 - [76] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 07/06/2007 21:44:57 Whats with all these losers who want easy kills in low sec. LOL. Stop trying to design the game to easy for pirating in low sec. Low sec is basically 0.0... gate guns suck. 0.0 is safer as well, because the cowards who look to grief stay in low sec. They are afraid of the bubbles, not real men, tsk tsk. Come out and play, don't stay in low sec. Low sec basically safe for griefers, suicide for the newer player who wants to do some half decent ratting. Then again hi-sec is not even safe, too easy too suicide with bs, cheap insurance prices. If you want to be a l33t pirate. Get an arazu, fit a recon launcher and cloak. Warp in scram the mission runner. GG, he can't do anything, he didn't see you, nothing he can do. These low sec guys are SOOOO good. Got ganked much?? This thread remains . Ridley mate...I don't know why you bother arguing with the "WoW in Space" crowd . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:38:00 - [77] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Ridley mate...I don't know why you bother arguing with the "WoW in Space" crowd . Last I checked, you had to earn money to pay for all your PvP gear. Missions are about earning money, through a generally boring diversion. Period. It's not "WoW carebearing" to want to be able to earn money without losing your damn ship every hour. Elitist much?
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: RuleoftheBone Ridley mate...I don't know why you bother arguing with the "WoW in Space" crowd . Last I checked, you had to earn money to pay for all your PvP gear. Missions are about earning money, through a generally boring diversion. Period. It's not "WoW carebearing" to want to be able to earn money without losing your damn ship every hour. Let me see. I got a donation from an EVE Uni player. Took that and bought a Tristan and an Iteron. I started ore thieving. Then I did some 0.0 ratting in a Thorax. Then I started gate camping it up once in a Brutix. I occasionally do an exploration site if I decide I want some fast cash injection otherwise all of my isk comes from PvP. Indeed I'd estimate 90-95% of my total isk earned in game has been forcibly removed from the pockets of others via ransoms or from the sale of modules from their wrecks. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Qaed	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:45:00 - [79] I'm just a newb, but I agree with the OP. It's not that running missions in low sec should be "safe", but that I don't see any risk for people who pirate mission runners in low sec. All they have to do is wait for the right opportunity. That may be boring, but it's not dangerous.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:50:00 - [80] Originally by: RuleoftheBone EDIT--As to scan times it depends on the individual pilots skill. As Ridley already mentioned the typical scan process can take anywhere up to an hour. It comes down really to the number of scans/probe with each 5AU probe having a run time of a bit over 4 minutes. I think you mean 4AU exploration probes via scan probe launcher. 5AU probes run about 30 seconds to 2 minutes depending on scanner skills via recon probe launcher. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:50:00 - [81] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: RuleoftheBone Ridley mate...I don't know why you bother arguing with the "WoW in Space" crowd . Last I checked, you had to earn money to pay for all your PvP gear. Missions are about earning money, through a generally boring diversion. Period. It's not "WoW carebearing" to want to be able to earn money without losing your damn ship every hour. Elitist much? No..not elitist. But I wonder if you are an 0.0 alliance-based mission-running alt who wants cake AND cookies (0.0 ratting mining/losec missions hassle free) . But I'll return the question-how many times have you been probed out and destroyed running missions? Maybe once or twice out of hundreds of missions run? If that? And I earn my isk by trying to take yours of course . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:52:00 - [82] wouldn't you increase the risk by decreasing it. no honestly think about it. if you decrease the risk more people would move there, and then the risk would increase becasue you have more people around you __________________________________ need a new sig :(
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:52:00 - [83] Originally by: Qaed All they have to do is wait for the right opportunity. That may be boring, but it's not dangerous. Has something to do with being a predator. You wait for circumstances to favor you, then you attack. As such it is just as you describe, a waiting game. There is no way to 'fix' something that is just a normal part of the eco-system. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Ridley Tree Let me see. I got a donation from an EVE Uni player. Took that and bought a Tristan and an Iteron. I started ore thieving. Wow, how noble. So let's all throw off our principles and follow your shining example. Oops, if we did that, there would be no ore to steal, because no one would be mining it!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:53:00 - [85] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: RuleoftheBone EDIT--As to scan times it depends on the individual pilots skill. As Ridley already mentioned the typical scan process can take anywhere up to an hour. It comes down really to the number of scans/probe with each 5AU probe having a run time of a bit over 4 minutes. I think you mean 4AU exploration probes via scan probe launcher. 5AU probes run about 30 seconds to 2 minutes depending on scanner skills via recon probe launcher. I was being ambiguous so as not to scare them further . But the run time of all probes is fixed as you know and the 5AU probe has a total flight time of roughly 4.5 minutes. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Qaed	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Qaed All they have to do is wait for the right opportunity. That may be boring, but it's not dangerous. Has something to do with being a predator. You wait for circumstances to favor you, then you attack. As such it is just as you describe, a waiting game. There is no way to 'fix' something that is just a normal part of the eco-system. You're not a "predator" though, just another player who choses to pirate instead of something else. And the "eco-system", if it exists, won't change regardless if you are successful or fail. So, why should you have an advantage in engagements with missions running players? Shouldn't pirates have to face a risk too?
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Chelone Never been probed out. Never ran missions in lowsec. Why on earth would I? 3 quality points? LOL! That's the joke of the century right there. Give people real rewards if you want them to go there. LOL. So you're whining, complaining *****ing and moaning and coming up with 'solutions' to things you have no experience or understanding of? Have you even used a scan probe launcher? Do you even know how to use the scanner? Have you ever even shot another player? You can go now. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:06:00 - [88] Originally by: Qaed You're not a "predator" though, just another player who choses to pirate instead of something else. Originally by: American Heritage Dictionary pred+a+tor (prěd'ə-tər, -t(r') Pronunciation Key n. 1. An organism that lives by preying on other organisms. 2. One that victimizes, plunders, or destroys, especially for one's own gain. Yeah I'd say I'm a predator. Quote: And the "eco-system", if it exists, won't change regardless if you are successful or fail. Yeah it won't. And thats fine. People will keep on running missions/mining/ratting. I'll keep on preying on them. That will get me more isk so I can buy more stuff so I can keep on preying on people in new and exciting ways. Quote: So, why should you have an advantage in engagements with missions running players? Shouldn't pirates have to face a risk too? We kinda do. Gate guns. Anti-pirates. Mercs. Carebear Bait tactics. Pirates prey on other players. Our risks are only as dangerous as the people we prey on. Its up to you to be a threat to us because no one else in the game is. And its up to us to minimize those threats by picking our targets carefully. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Chelone	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:07:00 - [89] Originally by: Ridley Tree LOL. So you're whining, complaining ***ing and moaning and coming up with 'solutions' to things you have no experience or understanding of? Do you have experience being hit by buses on the freeway? No? Are you stupid enough to go walk in front of one? I'm sure you'd love me to fly a nice juicy faction ship into lowsec so you could provide me with some "firsthand experience", but fortunately for me that isn't necessary. My formidable intellect will more than suffice. If you had been listening, you would know that I simply explained WHY more people don't go there, and WHAT would be required for them to do so. But of course, you weren't. I also ragged on lowsec pirates who want easy kills, and now you seem bitterly offended, which leads me to believe you are one... Originally by:** Ridley Tree Have you even used a scan probe launcher? Do you even know how to use the scanner? Have you ever even shot another player? Yes, yes, and yes. I also devised UTTERLY INGENIOUS scanning methods which are sadly no longer workable because of module changes. Very sad, but them's the breaks. (I want my Observator deviation back!!)
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Chelone Do you have experience being hit by buses on the freeway? No? Are you stupid enough to go walk in front of one? red herring. Thank you come again. Quote: I'm sure you'd love me to fly a nice juicy faction ship into lowsec so you could provide me with some "firsthand experience", but fortunately for me that isn't necessary. Sure I'd like it, especially if you are too dumb to take the precautions I've advised. Quote: My formidable intellect will more than suffice. If you had been listening, you would know that I simply explained WHY more people don't go there, and WHAT would be required for them to do so. You mean you whined about how low-sec isn't safe enough for you? Boo hoo. "Make low-sec safer, more people will come" complains the carebear in hi-sec. The Pirate responds "um, there's enough people here thanks oh and if they implement those changes mission runners would be untouchable." Then you threw a little hissy fit about pirates whining like babies for more targets . Not that I've seen any pirates whining for more targets in this thread. Quote: But of course, you weren't. I also ragged on lowsec pirates who want easy kills, and now you seem bitterly offended, which leads me to believe you are one... Oh god yes. I love easy kills. They're quick, profitable and mildly entertaining. And if you think I'm bitterly offended you need to learn how to read people better. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos

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