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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:22:00 -
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Okay Jade I will give you what you want the oppurtuntiy to ask any question you want in the form of a question and I will answer every single one of these truthfully and honestly to the best of my knowledge. I know there is a lot of slander going on in this forum and I hope that my reputation is enough to hold that I have some truth behind my statement above and below. So ask away. This is purely for your benifit and everyone elses here on the forums. This is what you are good out, your wit is sharp and I am willing to do my best. So here we go Jade RONA is here and opening itself to your questions.
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Tango612
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:29:00 -
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This seems like a resonable offer.
However, I really need to speak to Jade in private, about matters totally unrelated to this. |
crice
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:32:00 -
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Okay Jade I will give you what you want the oppurtuntiy to ask any question you want in the form of a question and I will answer every single one of these truthfully and honestly to the best of my knowledge. I know there is a lot of slander going on in this forum and I hope that my reputation is enough to hold that I have some truth behind my statement above and below. So ask away. This is purely for your benifit and everyone elses here on the forums. This is what you are good out, your wit is sharp and I am willing to do my best. So here we go Jade RONA is here and opening itself to your questions.
Will you answer my questions also?
Crice
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:35:00 -
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Go ahead Crice. I will answer peoples questions to the best of my knowledge.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:40:00 -
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Go ahead Crice. I will answer peoples questions to the best of my knowledge.
Why did you not return my email? I am trying to clear my name and I believe you were one that would be able to assist me with this. I have always been a straight shooter in regards to the negotiations.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:45:00 -
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I did recieve your evemail last night when I logged in around 2 am my time. Just becasue of my overall physical condition and my state of mind I felt it better to do that when I return from work later this evening. I have spoken with both Biomass and Huff in regards to your situation of which I am sure you have gotten copies of the log. I will help you in anyway I possibly can, as you were very respectful and part of the reason I did get to meet and talk with some of the FE guys. I will be sending you a response or if you need I can do what I can from here to help you with your issue.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:46:00 -
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Robeyone can you unite all your RONA/KIA/whatever corpse please? We need targets.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Robeyone on 12/01/2004 19:53:06
Sally RONA-KIA is already available for that. Each of the corps were seperated prior to any of this for hangar and wallet reasons. The org is easier this way and when you get to 267 peope, alts and everything, organization is key. So in short no. You can shoot at RONA-KIA.
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Extravagant
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:53:00 -
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..or you could take this up in a PM and leave the other 39.999 uninterested players out of this.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:53:00 -
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1. What is the identity of the person who compromised the trust at the old forum and passed internal Jericho logs to Krullz of CDI to publish.
2. What is the identity of the source that told The Preacher that Jericho was defecting to the Foresaken Empire.
3. Were you aware of the CDI proposal to eject "carebear" corporations from the NVA and return the organisation to a reduced "founder counil" back in december?
4. On the Foresaken Empire teamspeak proposal (did it contain a specific demand that JF should be ousted from the NVA prior to merger of alliances).
5. Was Halseth Durn in favour of the proposal? Did he argue for it.
6. Do you consider that supporting the FE merger was a betrayal of the declaration of NVA principles and later Charter of government, both documents signed by you?
7. Do you believe that "adaption and evolution" are concepts that excuse breaking your given word.
8. Was there a "unamimous" vote to eject JF from the NVA.
9. Was there any sort of vote to eject JF from the NVA.
10. Were the NVA charter rules followed in this process?
11. Was the NVA council voting forum used in this process?
12. Was this a simple politic coup to remove a single unwanted member of the alliance?
13. Given that word and trust has been broken here. Why should anyone believe that Rona Corp would not break its word again in similar circumstances if it was in your corporations interest to do it?
14. Do you personally blame me for the NVA failure to win the war vs Foresaken Empire.
15. Do you believe that "forum stirring" and propaganda work was the primary cause of the NVA's inability to win fleet battles?
16. Do you believe that if I had left the alliance entirely in Dec (rather than simply resigning) that FE would have left NVA alone?
17. Do you believe that the NVA was "protecting" JF?
18. Do you believe that the NVA has maitained a workable defence policy since the charter was established?
19. Do you believe rich NVA corps should help fund the defense effort to defend their mining interets?
20. Do you believe poor NVA corps should be mandated to fight to defend those mining interests without financial support.
21. Do you believe that CDI are right to charge a 50% tax on mining using their bookmarks.
22. Do you believe I was right to share trading information with no surcharge to my fellow NVA CEO's?
23. Do you believe the NVA lacked effective government and common economic objectives?
24. Do you believe I (or anyone else of JF) has misrepresented or lied about any aspect of this situation thus far expressed?
24B (if so which aspects)
25. Do you believe Halseth Durn was right to lauch a poisonous attack on my morality and ethics in this amusingly named "truth" thread.
26. Do you believe the NVA should have dealt more respectfully with this situation and asked Jericho privately to withdraw rather than making this a public slanging match?
27. Do you believe JF has contributed to the war effort with ships and pilots and funding?
28. Do you believe JF has ever been involved in betraying NVA principles, or charter?
29. Do you believe JF has ever been fallen bellow the contributary level of the majority of NVA corps in the roster?
30. At the last, do you believe that this entire matter is about personality and the fact that several key NVA directors and officers simpy decided they don't like Jade Constantine and wanted me out?
(I reserve the right to add a couple more follow up questions once more in this thread pending your responses)
And thank you for having the courage to do this Robeyone.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:55:00 -
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:58:00 -
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Well you did ask!
dbp
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:59:00 -
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yeah but still
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:01:00 -
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Geez Louise
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Archain
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Archain on 12/01/2004 20:03:50
Ouch, Robeyone....I feel that this may be one that you'll have a hard time holding against. I'm totally ignorant when it comes to all of this, so it should be a great read...leading to a thread that will eventually get locked.
I won't be able to keep my eyes off of this one though, should be a great read. 
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:08:00 -
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Mongo < starts to read "War and Peace" ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:10:00 -
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1. What is the identity of the person who compromised the trust at the old forum and passed internal Jericho logs to Krullz of CDI to publish.
My Answer:
Honeslty Jade I have no idea and I can definitly see where this is a concern. Spies were a major issue and getting information like that leaked was a problem. If I can get an answer I will.
2. What is the identity of the source that told The Preacher that Jericho was defecting to the Foresaken Empire.
My Answer:
That is something I also have no knowledge about. Nor did this actually ever reach my ears.
3. Were you aware of the CDI proposal to eject "carebear" corporations from the NVA and return the organisation to a reduced "founder counil" back in december?
My Answer:
Yes I was aware of the proposal to kick carebear corporations from the NVA. But only after the proposal had been made. I was approached by Halseth because he was supposedly on the chopping block. Which I then began to run a campaign to see where this information was coming from. I did not know the source of the conversation and I came in at the point where I wanted to work out talks with Jehrico and CDI and CDI and Oberon both of which were having issues with each other. RONA was against the premise at the time becasue even we could have been considered carebear just because of our lack of PVP players. I did not every confirm who it was who pushed the idea though I did hear that it was CDI. I never followed that through as the issue was eventually dropped.
4. On the Foresaken Empire teamspeak proposal (did it contain a specific demand that JF should be ousted from the NVA prior to merger of alliances).
My Answer:
Yes it was specifically stated that Jehrico Faction could not join the FE. And no there was no prior demand that Jehrico be ousted by the NVA prior to the merger.
5. Was Halseth Durn in favour of the proposal? Did he argue for it.
My Answer:
Halseth was put in a difficult place because everytime I went to Halseth RONA was in a different place in the decision making process. Halseth was for the proposal and in fact posted it on the forums. The very next day I talked with him and told him about offers to join another alliance and possibly creating our own alliance. He promptly said he had to publicly take the foot from his mouth and was in support of his allies. Then again the whole decision process in a new place a couple of hours later. Oberon was always sticking by the side of her allies and Halseth made that very apparent to us.
6. Do you consider that supporting the FE merger was a betrayal of the declaration of NVA principles and later Charter of government, both documents signed by you?
Yes of course I would. We were an anti-pirate alliance and joining the FE would have been in blatent disregard for that charter. There are if ands or buts about it.
7. Do you believe that "adaption and evolution" are concepts that excuse breaking your given word.
My Answer:
At the time I never even though of it that way. RONA was trying to look at the bigger picture when making a decision about what it was going to do as a corporation. And this was of course with the input of other allies within the organization including my breif talks with you. I think there were a lot of problems with the NVA and our intention was to take as many of the NVA with us so there wouldn't be that issue. But in the end people got hurt and people were overlooked. I apologize for that.
8. Was there a "unamimous" vote to eject JF from the NVA.
Yes of the corporations that were in the conversation and later in a fleet engagment there was indeed a vote that was asked to confirm that Jehrico was not to be part of the new alliance. This was on TS though not in a formal NVA voting style.
9. Was there any sort of vote to eject JF from the NVA.
No
10. Were the NVA charter rules followed in this process?
N/A
11. Was the NVA council voting forum used in this process?
N/A
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:27:00 -
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I wouild like to straighten out a few facts that have been gloosed over here.
The proposed deal was never for the NVA to join the FE. It would have been a merger. A new and unique alliance.
The FE representatives PROFESSED that they wanted to drop the piracy persona they play in game and form a new and proffesional alliance. So please, lets drop the "Oberon wanted to join the pirate alliance" or become "nuetral to pirates".
These are all facts.
As for Crice and his supporters,
He risked his neck to try and assemble a powerfull, alliance in the north. I commend him on his vision. In all of the talks we had with him and the other representatives, he was honest (I think) and ALWAYS had the interests of the FE in mind. Calling him a traitor to the FE is a great mistake.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:32:00 -
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Halseth:
please, SHH!
Let Rob answer without turning this into a flamewar. There are plenty of other threads like that.
If you wish to have similar questions thrown at you then start a new topic.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 20:33:49
Amazing, we agree on something. I also believe Crice was entirely honest in his ambition to make the FE NVA merger work and build an economic superpower in the north.
Though I opposed the concept both ideologically and pragmatically (since JF was to be sold down the river to make it happen) I can understand (and indeed applaud) the breadth of vision Crice was selling.
(edit ... agree with dBP, please go and start another topic halseth, i would love you to answer these questions)
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Ubix
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:45:00 -
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The FE representatives PROFESSED that they wanted to drop the piracy persona they play in game and form a new and proffesional alliance. So please, lets drop the "Oberon wanted to join the pirate alliance" or become "nuetral to pirates".
I find this so amusing .. to think of Smoked on his M3G4 death bed .. spouting words of reformation and corporate change only to have it hurled back in his face. And now .. we are to believe that the very people who tossed his ideals in to the abyss are now walking in his footsteps.
*puts hands together and looks to the sky*
Oh - the sweet sweet irony.
UBIX
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:55:00 -
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12. Was this a simple politic coup to remove a single unwanted member of the alliance?
My Answer:
Actually no it wasn't we felt that there were way to many bureaucratic problems with the way the NVA was working. We also felt that there was a closer group and organization forming because of this proposal from the FE. We looked at it as an oppurtunity to change things quickly and fix things we saw wrong with the NVA.
13. Given that word and trust has been broken here. Why should anyone believe that Rona Corp would not break its word again in similar circumstances if it was in your corporations interest to do it?
My Answer:
Becasue the process in which we formed this alliance with the corps involved was actually built on a really good foundation. I now know from voice and conversation the CEO's from most of the corps in this new alliance. There is constant communication adn the corporations were all part of the decision making process up to the point where the fight began again for Venal. Respect is being earned through working together something that didn't exist before to a great degree. We are becoming Friends and that is where the difference is. The FE know as well that we abide by what we say. Hell the whole reason we said no in the end was becasue of something I said to my corp and my word held true even in the times where I felt it may have been the right decision. In the end though I guess time will tell.
14. Do you personally blame me for the NVA failure to win the war vs Foresaken Empire.
My Answer:
No Jade I do not. Nor will I. I have discussed this with you before. I actually do respect you but because of your position on the boards you are a very big target. There were many things wrong with the NVA things we are tyring to correct in this new alliance.
15. Do you believe that "forum stirring" and propaganda work was the primary cause of the NVA's inability to win fleet battles?
My Answer:
No I don't. I actually think it was more because nobody really felt tied to this alliance. Something we are working on rectifying. When your friends are in trouble you run to help them or do what you can for them. The NVA did give us friends but very rarely on a corporation level. We are changing that by putting processes in place that give whole corporations the oppurtunity to interact with each other.
16. Do you believe that if I had left the alliance entirely in Dec (rather than simply resigning) that FE would have left NVA alone?
My Answer:
No I don't. The FE want people to fight and we are right next door. This war would have continued with or without you.
17. Do you believe that the NVA was "protecting" JF?
My Answer:
Yes I do thinkt the NVA was protecting JF but not just JF alone. We were protecting Venal and Castor changed a lot of that. In fact Castor has a lot to do with why this new alliance is forming as well.
18. Do you believe that the NVA has maitained a workable defence policy since the charter was established?
My Answer:
No I don't think there was good workable defense solution that is something that is already on the table for this new alliance. This seriously detracted from the effectivness of our organization and Venal defense.
19. Do you believe rich NVA corps should help fund the defense effort to defend their mining interets?
My Answer:
Of course I do. And when you asked publicly for isk to go towards hiring mercs I gave twice what others did to show that our part should be a larger portion. RONA's total contribution to this war was about 15 Billion ISK with ships, Minerals, and ISK. We have lost and gained a lot but we did do our part towards the defense.
20. Do you believe poor NVA corps should be mandated to fight to defend those mining interests without financial support.
My Answer:
This is actually a tough question. And this is my view. I think that people in an alliance should be an effective part of that alliance and I think everyone should provide for the protection of that particular area. Even if it is one cruiser or a Frigate if they are there and giving what little they can then it is the same as the Megacorps giving Billions and Billions of ISK. You just want to see contribution that is very very important.
21. Do you believe that CDI are right to charge a 50% tax on mining using their bookmarks.
My Answer:
I read this in the log and there is a bit of confusion. CDI and RONA mined together we felt that with CDI contributing to the mine and the use of their bookmarks that a 50 50 split was fair. They were willing to help us find bookmarks of our own and even give us a couple to get started. There was never any tax for using them.
22. Do you believe I was right to share trading information with no surcharge to my fellow NVA CEO's?
My Answer:
If this is referring to the Trade Runs I think this should have been done a whole lot earlier. I didn't even know that these e
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:20:00 -
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22. Do you believe I was right to share trading information with no surcharge to my fellow NVA CEO's?
My Answer:
If this is referring to the Trade Runs I think this should have been done a whole lot earlier. I didn't even know that these existed until right before Castor was released and I even talked to you about what BP's and Assets you guys had and how your guys were making you ISK. Then agian the way the NVA was running I don't find this all to disturbing becasue the organization as a whole had a corp centric mentality.
23. Do you believe the NVA lacked effective government and common economic objectives?
My Answer:
Yes I do. The NVA had no true aims. There was no one pushing for thigns to get done and decisions were made but no follow through. Nobody knew what the NVA was about in the end other then killing the FE.
24. Do you believe I (or anyone else of JF) has misrepresented or lied about any aspect of this situation thus far expressed?
My Answer:
I think the only thing that is misrepresented is the use of Halseth's name instead of the NVA.
24B (if so which aspects)
My Answer:
Halseth, KIAHicks, and Bobby Wilson were all very influentual members of the NVA. Oberon was a big part of the politics and he took on the PR aspect when you left the picture. In the end I think he was just making statements backed by the corporations in the NVA. And I think his name was misused more than once in decisions made by the council and the NVA not just Halseth. Halseth was also not the only one to call the cease fire every corporation in the TS conversation agreed to it.
25. Do you believe Halseth Durn was right to lauch a poisonous attack on my morality and ethics in this amusingly named "truth" thread.
My Answer:
I think this has been read wrong. I think that Halseth and you have some real issues to work out and I feel that Halseth thinks himself and Oberon have a big target on their backs. I think you both have things that are incorrect and this is only going to get worse if neither one of you take the resolve to get the issue fixed.
26. Do you believe the NVA should have dealt more respectfully with this situation and asked Jericho privately to withdraw rather than making this a public slanging match?
My Answer:
As far as I know JF was told privatly and the first post about it was in fact made by you here
a full 6 hours before any public statement was made by the new alliance. Athule and 2 other members of JF were told in Private before we stated anything.
27. Do you believe JF has contributed to the war effort with ships and pilots and funding?
My Answer:
To answer this honestly I don't know Jade. I really had no idea who has contributed what. So I can't answer this question honestly.
28. Do you believe JF has ever been involved in betraying NVA principles, or charter?
My Answer:
Publicly and in my eye. No I do not. As far as what happens behind the doors of JF HQ I have no idea. As it should be.
29. Do you believe JF has ever been fallen bellow the contributary level of the majority of NVA corps in the roster?
My Answer:
That again is something I can only comment about RONA's contiribution. I don't really know any infomation about that.
30. At the last, do you believe that this entire matter is about personality and the fact that several key NVA directors and officers simpy decided they don't like Jade Constantine and wanted me out?
My Answer:
No I honestly don't believe that. I think the answer to this question has already been stated above. I think you made some enemies here in the NVA and that resulted in not bringing you over to the new alliance. Not just corp directors but in some cases whole corporations.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:21:00 -
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Whew that took a while and that was a lot of questions. I hope these helped and I of course respect your decision to ask further questions. 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:26:00 -
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I'll ask some more later on Robeyone, there are a few more clarifications and bits and pieces.
In the main though, thank you very much for having the courage to do this, and the honesty for doing this in public.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:29:00 -
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Jade I appreaciate you comment and I look forward to clearing things up. I do hope that this does help with the situation publicly.
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:32:00 -
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:39:00 -
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Thanks for the support Tank  I will have to talk with Krullz about you.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.01.12 21:50:00 -
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I wouild like to straighten out a few facts that have been gloosed over here.
The proposed deal was never for the NVA to join the FE. It would have been a merger. A new and unique alliance.
The FE representatives PROFESSED that they wanted to drop the piracy persona they play in game and form a new and proffesional alliance. So please, lets drop the "Oberon wanted to join the pirate alliance" or become "nuetral to pirates".
These are all facts.
As for Crice and his supporters,
He risked his neck to try and assemble a powerfull, alliance in the north. I commend him on his vision. In all of the talks we had with him and the other representatives, he was honest (I think) and ALWAYS had the interests of the FE in mind. Calling him a traitor to the FE is a great mistake.
Thank you Halseth, that is exactly how I felt. I assumed control over this negotiation process leaving me open to others that would question me. I made the assumption that I had the authority to make decisions on behalf of the FE, I believe this was a mistake after receiving some very nasty emails from Numberone, about power and control.
I saw a vision, a Greater Alliance. I was immune to the bitterness and hate that had brewed between the two alliances. I was never involved with the TTI wars.
As you know we spent several nights speaking about the alliance, one night we were up till downtime. Our alliance was anxious for an answer and waiting just was not an option. As you know you used the peace talks to mine Bistot, which would not have been possible without the FE pulling from Venal. Eh I would have done the same. This is my opinion and is in no relation to how the FE feels.
I am just an outsider now looking in.
Crice
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2004.01.12 22:48:00 -
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Thanks for the support Tank I will have to talk with Krullz about you.
Your just mean now 
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