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DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:23:00 - [61] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/01/2004 13:27:19 Quote: If you had told me at the time that you made 40-50 mill per day on trade route is would have trained up to fly a hauler and done the same as you as what you said when i was on line was "today is a special day" not you can do this every day, I thought about if it would be worth me training up a hauler and decided against it. Your an idiot for not looking more into it then. I got the same information as you and instantly looked into the potential for doing trade runs. It took me about 3.895 secs to realise that the amount of money to be made far outweighed the risks and that you could do this every day. I was thankful to jericho for sharing that information with us for the good of the nva. RKK instantly started doing as much as we could and made a wee bit of cash to keep our fighting going. You can hardly blame Jade for you being lazy. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:29:00 - [62] Edited by: Artegg on 13/01/2004 13:31:55 Quote: Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/01/2004 13:23:49 Quote: If you had told me at the time that you made 40-50 mill per day on trade route is would have trained up to fly a hauler and done the same as you as what you said when i was on line was "today is a special day" not you can do this every day, I thought about if it would be worth me training up a hauler and decided against it. Your an idiot for not looking more into it then. I got the same information as you and instantly looked into the potential for doing trade runs. It took me about 3.895 secs to realise that the amount of money to be made far outweighed the risks and was glad for jericho to share that information with us for the good of the nva. RKK instantly started doing as much as we could and made a wee bit of cash to keep our fighting going. dbp I am not a total idiot DB i have no intrest in doing trade routes. As the chat was going on in the MIB channel i was relying it to my CEO via MSN, The fact that we make our money from different methods is up to us do you not think. Personally i think that trade routes are about the most boring thing to do in this game. At one point i was killing convoys and getting about 3k harvesters per day but after 3 days of killing them i o then spent about 3 weeks trying to sell them on the trade channel and i got bored. It is just some thing that i do not want to do does that make me a idiot i play this game for FUN not to set a hauler of and go afk while it travels 25 jumps one way then come back and send it back.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:29:00 - [63] Edited by: Maud Dib on 13/01/2004 13:34:35 Quote: I go to sleep for 8 hours and watch some tv and this happens. Its gone to far to read it all. I will have to pick up the digested version later, unless one of you kind folk could sum it up in a couple of paragraphs. I hate to be uninformed, but I can't read that much while I am at work, and let's face it, I doubt I will read it all when I get home. Blargh. My best guess is that people have been talking at each other instead of to each other for too long.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:30:00 - [64] Well here is the thing Artegg, Quote: I wish i had the chat log from this but sadly this chat happened about 3 months ago when jade announced that " today is a special day" you can make blah blah blah on trade runs today. You buy pluto in so and so and sell it in so and so. The full trade run information given was intended to be used by your corp, and the corps of other NVA members. I explained that it was a double profit day, and such days happen every week of so. That there is high profit everyday, but that particular day was a special day with double profit. Quote: Jade that is the info that you gave the MIB channel. If you had told me at the time that you made 40-50 mill per day on trade route is would have trained up to fly a hauler and done the same as you as what you said when i was on line was "today is a special day" not you can do this every day, I thought about if it would be worth me training up a hauler and decided against it. That sums up your attitude Artegg ... "me, me, me" the concept didn't work for you personally, hence you never bothered to inform your corp. Thats why you are an appaling leader, and an appalling representative for Rona. And thats why I described you as "veto'ing" Rona involvement. Quote: Jade this "Artegg vetoed Rona interest on the grounds that the cost and risks were too great" is just crap and you know it. It looks pretty accurate from your own words. Quote: I have never flown a hauler in this game so how could i look at the cost and risks as i hardly even know how much a hauler can carry. How can i put this any plainer? The proposal wasn't for you Artegg. As an MIB member you were the representative for your corp. You should have passed the information to the hauler pilots in Rona. That was your job in MIB. Clearly you thought that the MIB committe was some kind of gentlemen's club for priviledged information for your ears alone. You should have informed Rona, then made preparations to cover the run. Quote: You carry on twisting words to suit your siutation and living in fariy land. You have never yet demonstrated a single example of me doing that, and all the while you show you are a selfish man, not capable of doing the job in MIB and representing your corp. JF Public Forum
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:33:00 - [65] Quote: Well here is the thing Artegg, Quote: I wish i had the chat log from this but sadly this chat happened about 3 months ago when jade announced that " today is a special day" you can make blah blah blah on trade runs today. You buy pluto in so and so and sell it in so and so. The full trade run information given was intended to be used by your corp, and the corps of other NVA members. I explained that it was a double profit day, and such days happen every week of so. That there is high profit everyday, but that particular day was a special day with double profit. Quote: Jade that is the info that you gave the MIB channel. If you had told me at the time that you made 40-50 mill per day on trade route is would have trained up to fly a hauler and done the same as you as what you said when i was on line was "today is a special day" not you can do this every day, I thought about if it would be worth me training up a hauler and decided against it. That sums up your attitude Artegg ... "me, me, me" the concept didn't work for you personally, hence you never bothered to inform your corp. Thats why you are an appaling leader, and an appalling representative for Rona. And thats why I described you as "veto'ing" Rona involvement. Quote: Jade this "Artegg vetoed Rona interest on the grounds that the cost and risks were too great" is just crap and you know it. It looks pretty accurate from your own words. Quote: I have never flown a hauler in this game so how could i look at the cost and risks as i hardly even know how much a hauler can carry. How can i put this any plainer? The proposal wasn't for you Artegg. As an MIB member you were the representative for your corp. You should have passed the information to the hauler pilots in Rona. That was your job in MIB. Clearly you thought that the MIB committe was some kind of gentlemen's club for priviledged information for your ears alone. You should have informed Rona, then made preparations to cover the run. Quote: You carry on twisting words to suit your siutation and living in fariy land. You have never yet demonstrated a single example of me doing that, and all the while you show you are a selfish man, not capable of doing the job in MIB and representing your corp. Jade which part of this did you not understand As the chat was going on in the MIB channel i was relying it to my CEO via MSN
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:33:00 - [66] Quote: I am not a total idiot DB i have no intrest in doing trade routes. Then why did you bother bringing the trade routes up? If you were never interested nor bothered to look into them, why complain that Jade never gave enough information for free about them? dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:36:00 - [67] Quote: Quote: I am not a total idiot DB i have no intrest in doing trade routes. Then why did you bother bringing the trade routes up? If you were never interested nor bothered to look into them, why complain that Jade never gave enough information for free about them? dbp Jade was the one who brought it up DB not me she said i vetoed it for rona i am saying that is not true. Where did i ever complain about jade giving out the info
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:37:00 - [68] And more to the point, if you were informing Robeyone as you claim [in your words]. Quote: "As the chat was going on in the MIB channel i was relying it to my CEO via MSN" How come Robeyone wrote in response to my earlier questions that he had not been properly briefed? JF Public Forum
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:38:00 - [69] Quote: And more to the point, if you were informing Robeyone as you claim [in your words]. Quote: "As the chat was going on in the MIB channel i was relying it to my CEO via MSN" How come Robeyone wrote in response to my earlier questions that he had not been properly briefed? That you will have to ask robey not me
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:40:00 - [70] Artegg and Jade sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G xx http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:43:00 - [71] You "veto'ed" Rona involvement in effect by not informing your corp Artegg. Its that simple. You were the Rona Rep on MIB. It was your job to keep your corp informed. You failed. Because you personally find trade runs boring. Selfish, without vision, and self-centred. Would that sum you up nicely? But re and this MSN conversation I just don't get it. If you were passing on what i was saying to Robeyone, I just don't understand how he comes to this answer to my question about trade runs. Quote: Robeyone If this is referring to the Trade Runs I think this should have been done a whole lot earlier. I didn't even know that these existed until right before Castor was released and I even talked to you about what BP's and Assets you guys had and how your guys were making you ISK. Then agian the way the NVA was running I don't find this all to disturbing becasue the organization as a whole had a corp centric mentality. You confirm the meeting with 3 months ago Artegg. Castor was a lot more recent. Please explain how this happened? JF Public Forum
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 13:50:00 - [72] Quote: You "veto'ed" Rona involvement in effect by not informing your corp Artegg. Its that simple. You were the Rona Rep on MIB. It was your job to keep your corp informed. You failed. Because you personally find trade runs boring. Selfish, without vision, and self-centred. Would that sum you up nicely? But re and this MSN conversation I just don't get it. If you were passing on what i was saying to Robeyone, I just don't understand how he comes to this answer to my question about trade runs. Quote: Robeyone If this is referring to the Trade Runs I think this should have been done a whole lot earlier. I didn't even know that these existed until right before Castor was released and I even talked to you about what BP's and Assets you guys had and how your guys were making you ISK. Then agian the way the NVA was running I don't find this all to disturbing becasue the organization as a whole had a corp centric mentality. You confirm the meeting with 3 months ago Artegg. Castor was a lot more recent. Please explain how this happened? Jade as a rep for RONA i did inform my CEO (the fact that this happened about 3 months ago may have even been longer not to sure but i know it was before i started playing EVE on my own computer so i would say about 3 months ago) Me and robey talk about a lot of eve reltated suff and a lot of non eve related stuff on MSN do you think that maybe he might have forgotten i know you are perfect and have never done anything like that but guess waht in the real world it happens
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 14:08:00 - [73] Here's the thing Artegg. I'm not perfect but when I make mistakes I say "hey, I'm sorry, I apologise." Whereas you never do. And failing to admit you make mistakes is amongst the worst of your many unattractive traits Artegg. End of the day, you came fumbling into this thread with another lame accusation that I had misrepresented a situation and achieved absolutely nothing but clarify your own ineptitude and selfish approach to leadership. Because you found trade running "boring" your corp never gained access to the potential profits and in your tiny mind Jericho Fraction continued to offer the NVA nothing. JF Public Forum
Artegg	Posted - 2004.01.13 14:26:00 - [74] Quote: Here's the thing Artegg. I'm not perfect but when I make mistakes I say "hey, I'm sorry, I apologise." Whereas you never do. And failing to admit you make mistakes is amongst the worst of your many unattractive traits Artegg. End of the day, you came fumbling into this thread with another lame accusation that I had misrepresented a situation and achieved absolutely nothing but clarify your own ineptitude and selfish approach to leadership. Because you found trade running "boring" your corp never gained access to the potential profits and in your tiny mind Jericho Fraction continued to offer the NVA nothing. No jade you are wrong i passed the info on to my CEO at that point in time i was not even a director in RONA so i passed the info to someone who would do something about it
Erim Kaluk	Posted - 2004.01.13 14:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Erim Kaluk on 13/01/2004 14:30:33 The thing here is that, in a large MANUFACTURING corp such as RONA. I (please note the I bit) don't think we actually give a flying **** about trade routes. So, trying to make Artegg, who is an incredibly well respected bloke both in RONA and what was the NVA, look bad by bringing this up is just plain silly. I can't see how this kind of thing is roleplay and actually adds anything to the game tbh.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 14:37:00 - [76] Yeah yeah, I get it, Rona is so huge they don't care about alternative sources of income so such things are irrelevent. Well the thing was, it wasn't irrelevent to the smaller corps in the NVA, some of whom badly needed an alternative source of income. And as for bringing it up, lets try a mental challenge for you both. Its called. "Looking at things from the other perspective". Now Jade comes into MIB channel and tells everyone there about an alternative income stream, how it is accessed, the costs, the gains, the dangers. And asks people to inform their corps. I (playing the role of Artegg for a moment) am not interested, I don't like the sound of it and frankly trade is boring. I don't say anything much to Jade, and I have some abrubt MSN convo with Robey. End of story. Now, lets try it from the Jade's perspective now. Artegg (who is Rona MIB rep) is told something. Nothing comes of it. Nothing at all. Why is it not fair to conclude that he veto'ed the idea? (Especially ... when Robeyone the Rona CEO puts on record as a response to a QA session that he knew nothing of the proposal) Riddle me that mastermind? JF Public Forum
Erim Kaluk	Posted - 2004.01.13 14:59:00 - [77] Artegg didn't say he vetoed it. He said he mentioned it to Robey and it probably got lost in all the other stuff CEO's and Execs do in RONA. Going on and on about this is just pointless.
Keenon	Posted - 2004.01.13 15:30:00 - [78] Edited by: Keenon on 13/01/2004 15:32:06 jeez i hear u all saying that this is pointless-if thats true y do yap at eachother over and over since im not involved into this and to tell the truth i dont really care- it seems to me that all of u are bored and have nothing better to do then call eachother liers and backstabers just for kicks i dont really know but any mature person would have stoped posting here a few days ago i mean jeez - jericho was kicked from the new alliance because of jade so what happens jade gets on the forums calling oberon liers and backstabers(now in my opinion u guys from TNA shouldnt even have answerd-i mean whats the point-u kicked jericho out, why trade words with them afterwards) u are contradicting yourselfs really-i dont get it-jade gets on the forums posts some thing , and logical thing to do 4 u guys would have been to ignore her(i mean its what u guys wanted, she is gone good bye dont call us we'll call u) Any speeling errors are 4 your viewing pleasure =============================================== Help keep carebear population under control!!!! POD U LATER
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.01.13 15:35:00 - [79] I think this argument has got so drawn out, it's not even about the original topic, and is prob a good place to stop. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 15:52:00 - [80] I do actually agree Inkz, I'm happy to leave this if the TinA faction members stop posting slurs and smears and groundless accusations. I think you should use the line from the other thread about the "lads only non-roleplay teamspeak council". JF Public Forum
Slagg	Posted - 2004.01.13 15:59:00 - [81] Jade, just move along. Their own actions speaks louder than your works. Either way, who cares?
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 16:02:00 - [82] Who knows slagg? In my heart of hearts I actually believe that Eve has a user base of political fans that love this stuff. I've no facts and figures to back up that hunch, but hey, lets just say I feel an obligation to be entertaining. /emote sings Evita to the sound of one hand clapping. JF Public Forum
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2004.01.13 16:11:00 - [83] actually it's not lads only. One of the RONA directors is female, and my ass will be grass l8r if she see's that, then I will have to go without ammo for the next 2 weeks --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.01.13 16:15:00 - [84] Edited by: Ly'sol on 13/01/2004 16:15:47 Quote: Who knows slagg? In my heart of hearts I actually believe that Eve has a user base of political fans that love this stuff. I've no facts and figures to back up that hunch, but hey, lets just say I feel an obligation to be entertaining. /emote sings Evita to the sound of one hand clapping. I love to argue -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Kenlon	Posted - 2004.01.13 17:45:00 - [85] I dunno about you people, but I find all this political wrangling deeply satisfying.
KIAPieman	Posted - 2004.01.13 19:03:00 - [86] Quote: Edited by: olyyy on 13/01/2004 03:19:39 found back something funny Quote: This is what has led us to this point, the NVA is a strong regional power and is growing stronger, with the likes of Rona, Cyberdyne, and Oberon, and with the leadership qualities of Jericho Faction and the unshakeable spirit of KIA Corp along with the myriad of other corps bringing their own special qualities, we have a varied and well working bunch who I think would be willing to die (in game!!) to keep our alliance going. I hope this entertains some, informs others, and bring back a few memories of times past, but we have to look towards the future. (KIAPieman) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=49955 things are changing so fast well i did pen that over 2 months ago --------------------------------------------------------
Darkcraft	Posted - 2004.01.13 19:24:00 - [87] DonÆt you think that this thread is now a million AU off topic? The original thread intention was good but as with most threads in this section it has been derailed and seems to now be about the wonderful world of Jade. Would it be possible to get this now pointless thread locked / deleted / removed etc Oh and jadeà go find yourself a mirror to rant at, at least that way you'll have someone to talk to who cares.
Robeyone	Posted - 2004.01.13 20:19:00 - [88] I am asking for a cease and desists for all comments to this thread from any TiNA member. There is no point in these talks, everyone needs to move forward please refrain from posting. Thank You http://www.ronacorp.com
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.01.13 20:22:00 - [89] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 20:25:50 Who made you the little god of who can debate what and when and with who? This thread "entitled Rona answers Jade's questions" has a clue to the purpose hidden somewhere in the letters ;) And quit demanding mods lock threads you don't like. Scared of something are we? Edit - that was aimed at "darkcraft" not Robeyone who is being sensible as ever. JF Public Forum
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.01.14 17:54:00 - [90] flaming I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

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