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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:09:00 - [1] Why are those supercapitals (motherships and titans) allowed in Empire? No Empire would allow possible enemy supercapitals to enter their territory! The danger that they will attack suddenly and run havok is just far too dangerous. Furthermore there is no way to stop them from warping away. Warp scramblers don't work and bubbles cannot be set up in Empire...which is quite strange when you think that those supercapitals are allowed. So why are they allowed? Shouldn't it impossible for them to enter Empire space in the same manner as it is impossible for capital ships to cyno into high sec? I think yes!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:15:00 - [2] Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec?
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Nope. Since I cannot fly capitals anyway there is no danger of me loosing one The question was more out of curiosity. And since you gave no answer I guess you have none, same here.
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:30:00 - [5] Who is gonna stop them? There is no significant presence of these factional armies in lowsec.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:31:00 - [6] The answer is simple: They aren't. Low security space is exactly that - low security. It's space that the NPC empires claim ownership to, but cannot protect and enforce laws. In high security where they can no capitals are allowed at all. Also from a balance standpoint when a guy gets punted from/leaves an alliance where the hell else is he bringing his caps? ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:32:00 - [7] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. That hit me right after I posted, but I figured it wasn't worth the edit. Silly whine to begin with. The only reason for a Titan to be in low sec would be for jump bridging for some reason, and I can't even think of why someone would bother with a mom that high. Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once.
Nyabi Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Nyabi Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well With the new changes CONCORD will ignore resists, won't be possible to tank them in anything. People calling for supercap nerfs need to realize, moms cost 25 times as much as a carrier. Titans cost 40 times as much as a dread. If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price.
Lucy Skylancer	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Lucy Skylancer on 08/06/2007 20:13:08 Originally by: stoats If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price. Right, anyway I think supercapitals are meant to work together with bigger fleets in alliance warfare. They should be alliance tools that fill specific roles on the battlefield and shouldn't degrade to personal fun ships for the rich vet. But besides that I really like this definition of low-sec in this thread. It seems to be such an obvious thing, nevertheless people always seem to forget it: Originally by: Haffrage Low security space is exactly that - low security. It's space that the NPC empires claim ownership to, but cannot protect and enforce laws.?
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:34:00 - [11] Originally by: stoats Originally by: Nyabi Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well With the new changes CONCORD will ignore resists, won't be possible to tank them in anything. People calling for supercap nerfs need to realize, moms cost 25 times as much as a carrier. Titans cost 40 times as much as a dread. If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price. I don't give a flip what they cost. No player, no matter how well supported, should ever be invulnerable (outside of system mechanics like Concord).
Hippo117 Caldari Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:39:00 - [12] Make them scrammable in lowsec, problem solved. -------------- Obligulatory 'opinion does not nescessarily represent those of my corp/alliance' stuff here.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:02:00 - [13] Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:02:24 Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. That hit me right after I posted, but I figured it wasn't worth the edit. Silly whine to begin with. The only reason for a Titan to be in low sec would be for jump bridging for some reason, and I can't even think of why someone would bother with a mom that high. Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. ask Miz Cenuij/ Ginger Magician what they do in their Nyx usually in Crierlere (however its spelt). practically AFK gate camping with officer smartbombs (i was lucky to have fallen 14km away from the Nyx therefore no instapop for me) but yea, i really wish CCP had left the super capitals in 0.0 Mums and Daddies (Titans) really have no use in low sec. you say the titan's jump bridge? well just do the extra 4-5 jumps to the nearest 0.0 and jump from there. i could've sworn CCP stated that Mums and Titans would be 0.0 only before their introduction, don't know who decided otherwise (i bet it was tux! always spoiling our fun)but that person should be taken out back and flogged! hard! can i get the first hit?
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:06:00 - [14] Guess what, if you take away their supercap they're gonna be there in 10 carriers, gl hf. Your ineptness is not an excuse to nerf ships. Supercaps can and will be killed in lowsec.
Hiroko Fujiwara	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:07:00 - [15] Originally by: stoats Guess what, if you take away their supercap they're gonna be there in 10 carriers, gl hf. Your ineptness is not an excuse to nerf ships. Supercaps can and will be killed in lowsec. actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:08:00 - [16] For every whinging sad lil bear that makes a post like this there are dozens more who when tey come across our supercapital camp are bloody happy. Survive or not its a real novelty for a lot of people to see a Mom camping. People travel from halfway across the map to see it and some even beg to be murdered. Take a note out of thier books and be a man, not a bear! "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Miz Cenuij For every whinging sad lil bear that makes a post like this there are dozens more who when tey come across our supercapital camp are bloody happy. Survive or not its a real novelty for a lot of people to see a Mom camping. People travel from halfway across the map to see it and some even beg to be murdered. Take a note out of thier books and be a man, not a bear! haha ginger, wondered when you'd show up. perhaps it is a novelty.. gets old fast tho
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Hiroko Fujiwara actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again The problem is noobs don't know how to prevent the jump. Guess what, even if the mom is fitted for pure recharge (spoiler: pirate ones aren't, although they could refit on the fly [with another carrier sitting there] it's doubtful that they have officer gear in reserve to stick on) it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to get him below 70% in short order. Yes, it does require 30-40 seconds giving them a window to jump out. People who have never flown and/or fought against MOMs really need to STFU.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: stoats Originally by: Hiroko Fujiwara actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again The problem is noobs don't know how to prevent the jump. Guess what, even if the mom is fitted for pure recharge (spoiler: pirate ones aren't, although they could refit on the fly [with another carrier sitting there] it's doubtful that they have officer gear in reserve to stick on) it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to get him below 70% in short order. Yes, it does require 30-40 seconds giving them a window to jump out. People who have never flown and/or fought against MOMs really need to STFU. and people with theoretical jargon need to watch themselves. i bet if 10 nos/neut battleships/whatever warped in to Miz Cenuij, he'd jump out before they'd even get a lock (exageration) - sorry Ginger... you're just the only super cap pirate i know sure you can catch them, still doesnt explain what a ship able to disrupt a planet's gravition field, change ocean tides and etc (Titan Chronicle btw) or its little sister (Mum) would be allowed in low sec. i'd really like for CCP to do something about them (ie: clear their rears back to no sec) but if CCP doesnt then whatever. just to re-iterate, please point me to the stupid super capital pilots you seem to be so keen on finding (the ones that actually stick around when something big enough shows up to kill it) otherwise, take your own advice
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2007.06.09 09:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Yurii Chan i bet if 10 nos/neut battleships/whatever warped in to Miz Cenuij, he'd jump out before they'd even get a lock (exageration) - sorry Ginger... you're just the only super cap pirate i know Ign0raMus of The Establishment[EST.] has also been solo gatecamping in empire with his Nyx for atleast half a year. Escaped his camp quite a few times now. Somehow I think he is just sitting trying to taunt people to fight him.
BABARR	Posted - 2007.06.09 09:19:00 - [21] YARRRRHH AND WHITH THE PATCH , mothership are not going to be TACKLABLE in low sec ! only in 0,0, YARRRH, thanks CCP, thanks to speak about BALANCE. And in 6 month they are going to wonder "But why there isen't any mother ship in 0,0 and why they are all in low sec now?
Gaia Thorn Infestation.	Posted - 2007.06.09 10:32:00 - [22] Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem.
Sm0kE	Posted - 2007.06.09 10:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Sm0kE on 09/06/2007 10:32:45 Hmmm - Never friggin' mind ------------------------------------------------
Celestal	Posted - 2007.06.09 11:44:00 - [24] regarding tanking concord at the moment I can tank concord all day by dropping my dread into siege mode , then only running 1 of its 2 reppers ( cant target anything so therefore cant shoot ) with the new changes to concord my dread lasts about 45 seconds both tested on sisi before + after concord mods
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 11:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity...
Makoto Kasomyuki Suicidal Mercenaries The Makhai	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off?
Makoto Kasomyuki Suicidal Mercenaries The Makhai	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off?
Pseudo Ucksth The Unpodable Supermen FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:24:00 - [28] I for one hope it stays this way. Why? Well, I want to do it too, someday. :) _____
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:45:00 - [29] Originally by: stoats 10 carriers spider tanking is still 1/3rd as expensive as a MOM, given that you MIGHT be able to jam 3-4 at a time GL breaking the tank if every one has a single remote rep without a fleet that I GUARANTEE the people whining about it will never muster. And requires 10 people. Guess what? 1 trillion ibis are completely free and the alpha strike is insane. Wonder why we don't have gangs of those flying around owning everything in sight, after all, they're cheaper than supercaps and do more damage... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Makoto Kasomyuki Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off? If your so inclined and the pilot is that dumb then yea sure whatever Seriously tho there are a good few ways to kill an MS in low sec, but im hardly gonna list them off so people can have a pop at me am I?

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