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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:09:00 - [1] Why are those supercapitals (motherships and titans) allowed in Empire? No Empire would allow possible enemy supercapitals to enter their territory! The danger that they will attack suddenly and run havok is just far too dangerous. Furthermore there is no way to stop them from warping away. Warp scramblers don't work and bubbles cannot be set up in Empire...which is quite strange when you think that those supercapitals are allowed. So why are they allowed? Shouldn't it impossible for them to enter Empire space in the same manner as it is impossible for capital ships to cyno into high sec? I think yes!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:15:00 - [2] Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec?
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Nope. Since I cannot fly capitals anyway there is no danger of me loosing one The question was more out of curiosity. And since you gave no answer I guess you have none, same here.
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:30:00 - [5] Who is gonna stop them? There is no significant presence of these factional armies in lowsec.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:31:00 - [6] The answer is simple: They aren't. Low security space is exactly that - low security. It's space that the NPC empires claim ownership to, but cannot protect and enforce laws. In high security where they can no capitals are allowed at all. Also from a balance standpoint when a guy gets punted from/leaves an alliance where the hell else is he bringing his caps? ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:32:00 - [7] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. That hit me right after I posted, but I figured it wasn't worth the edit. Silly whine to begin with. The only reason for a Titan to be in low sec would be for jump bridging for some reason, and I can't even think of why someone would bother with a mom that high. Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once.
Nyabi Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 19:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Nyabi Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well With the new changes CONCORD will ignore resists, won't be possible to tank them in anything. People calling for supercap nerfs need to realize, moms cost 25 times as much as a carrier. Titans cost 40 times as much as a dread. If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price.
Lucy Skylancer	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Lucy Skylancer on 08/06/2007 20:13:08 Originally by: stoats If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price. Right, anyway I think supercapitals are meant to work together with bigger fleets in alliance warfare. They should be alliance tools that fill specific roles on the battlefield and shouldn't degrade to personal fun ships for the rich vet. But besides that I really like this definition of low-sec in this thread. It seems to be such an obvious thing, nevertheless people always seem to forget it: Originally by: Haffrage Low security space is exactly that - low security. It's space that the NPC empires claim ownership to, but cannot protect and enforce laws.?
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:34:00 - [11] Originally by: stoats Originally by: Nyabi Originally by: Janu Hull Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I swear I saw a video (or a post with pics) of a dread (when it was still in empire, not Chribbas!) permatanking Concord. I'm fairly sure a titan would scare concord out of the system, and the outlying ones as well With the new changes CONCORD will ignore resists, won't be possible to tank them in anything. People calling for supercap nerfs need to realize, moms cost 25 times as much as a carrier. Titans cost 40 times as much as a dread. If you limit their ability to escape, why would you even bother fielding motherships? They don't tank that much better than carriers, they only field 8-10 more fighters, and their immunity to EW can be make up for by the shear number of carriers you could put on the field for the same price. I don't give a flip what they cost. No player, no matter how well supported, should ever be invulnerable (outside of system mechanics like Concord).
Hippo117 Caldari Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 20:39:00 - [12] Make them scrammable in lowsec, problem solved. -------------- Obligulatory 'opinion does not nescessarily represent those of my corp/alliance' stuff here.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:02:00 - [13] Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:02:24 Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. That hit me right after I posted, but I figured it wasn't worth the edit. Silly whine to begin with. The only reason for a Titan to be in low sec would be for jump bridging for some reason, and I can't even think of why someone would bother with a mom that high. Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. ask Miz Cenuij/ Ginger Magician what they do in their Nyx usually in Crierlere (however its spelt). practically AFK gate camping with officer smartbombs (i was lucky to have fallen 14km away from the Nyx therefore no instapop for me) but yea, i really wish CCP had left the super capitals in 0.0 Mums and Daddies (Titans) really have no use in low sec. you say the titan's jump bridge? well just do the extra 4-5 jumps to the nearest 0.0 and jump from there. i could've sworn CCP stated that Mums and Titans would be 0.0 only before their introduction, don't know who decided otherwise (i bet it was tux! always spoiling our fun)but that person should be taken out back and flogged! hard! can i get the first hit?
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:06:00 - [14] Guess what, if you take away their supercap they're gonna be there in 10 carriers, gl hf. Your ineptness is not an excuse to nerf ships. Supercaps can and will be killed in lowsec.
Hiroko Fujiwara	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:07:00 - [15] Originally by: stoats Guess what, if you take away their supercap they're gonna be there in 10 carriers, gl hf. Your ineptness is not an excuse to nerf ships. Supercaps can and will be killed in lowsec. actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:08:00 - [16] For every whinging sad lil bear that makes a post like this there are dozens more who when tey come across our supercapital camp are bloody happy. Survive or not its a real novelty for a lot of people to see a Mom camping. People travel from halfway across the map to see it and some even beg to be murdered. Take a note out of thier books and be a man, not a bear! "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Miz Cenuij For every whinging sad lil bear that makes a post like this there are dozens more who when tey come across our supercapital camp are bloody happy. Survive or not its a real novelty for a lot of people to see a Mom camping. People travel from halfway across the map to see it and some even beg to be murdered. Take a note out of thier books and be a man, not a bear! haha ginger, wondered when you'd show up. perhaps it is a novelty.. gets old fast tho
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Hiroko Fujiwara actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again The problem is noobs don't know how to prevent the jump. Guess what, even if the mom is fitted for pure recharge (spoiler: pirate ones aren't, although they could refit on the fly [with another carrier sitting there] it's doubtful that they have officer gear in reserve to stick on) it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to get him below 70% in short order. Yes, it does require 30-40 seconds giving them a window to jump out. People who have never flown and/or fought against MOMs really need to STFU.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.08 21:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:23:17 Originally by: stoats Originally by: Hiroko Fujiwara actually before triage a carrier is 1000x easier to kill than a mothership with an escape cyno waiting if things get hairy. so try again The problem is noobs don't know how to prevent the jump. Guess what, even if the mom is fitted for pure recharge (spoiler: pirate ones aren't, although they could refit on the fly [with another carrier sitting there] it's doubtful that they have officer gear in reserve to stick on) it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to get him below 70% in short order. Yes, it does require 30-40 seconds giving them a window to jump out. People who have never flown and/or fought against MOMs really need to STFU. and people with theoretical jargon need to watch themselves. i bet if 10 nos/neut battleships/whatever warped in to Miz Cenuij, he'd jump out before they'd even get a lock (exageration) - sorry Ginger... you're just the only super cap pirate i know sure you can catch them, still doesnt explain what a ship able to disrupt a planet's gravition field, change ocean tides and etc (Titan Chronicle btw) or its little sister (Mum) would be allowed in low sec. i'd really like for CCP to do something about them (ie: clear their rears back to no sec) but if CCP doesnt then whatever. just to re-iterate, please point me to the stupid super capital pilots you seem to be so keen on finding (the ones that actually stick around when something big enough shows up to kill it) otherwise, take your own advice
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2007.06.09 09:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Yurii Chan i bet if 10 nos/neut battleships/whatever warped in to Miz Cenuij, he'd jump out before they'd even get a lock (exageration) - sorry Ginger... you're just the only super cap pirate i know Ign0raMus of The Establishment[EST.] has also been solo gatecamping in empire with his Nyx for atleast half a year. Escaped his camp quite a few times now. Somehow I think he is just sitting trying to taunt people to fight him.
BABARR	Posted - 2007.06.09 09:19:00 - [21] YARRRRHH AND WHITH THE PATCH , mothership are not going to be TACKLABLE in low sec ! only in 0,0, YARRRH, thanks CCP, thanks to speak about BALANCE. And in 6 month they are going to wonder "But why there isen't any mother ship in 0,0 and why they are all in low sec now?
Gaia Thorn Infestation.	Posted - 2007.06.09 10:32:00 - [22] Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem.
Sm0kE	Posted - 2007.06.09 10:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Sm0kE on 09/06/2007 10:32:45 Hmmm - Never friggin' mind ------------------------------------------------
Celestal	Posted - 2007.06.09 11:44:00 - [24] regarding tanking concord at the moment I can tank concord all day by dropping my dread into siege mode , then only running 1 of its 2 reppers ( cant target anything so therefore cant shoot ) with the new changes to concord my dread lasts about 45 seconds both tested on sisi before + after concord mods
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 11:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity...
Makoto Kasomyuki Suicidal Mercenaries The Makhai	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off?
Makoto Kasomyuki Suicidal Mercenaries The Makhai	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off?
Pseudo Ucksth The Unpodable Supermen FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:24:00 - [28] I for one hope it stays this way. Why? Well, I want to do it too, someday. :) _____
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:45:00 - [29] Originally by: stoats 10 carriers spider tanking is still 1/3rd as expensive as a MOM, given that you MIGHT be able to jam 3-4 at a time GL breaking the tank if every one has a single remote rep without a fleet that I GUARANTEE the people whining about it will never muster. And requires 10 people. Guess what? 1 trillion ibis are completely free and the alpha strike is insane. Wonder why we don't have gangs of those flying around owning everything in sight, after all, they're cheaper than supercaps and do more damage... -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 12:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Makoto Kasomyuki Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Gaia Thorn Gotta actually agree on this point. Unless you jump in with 40 tier 3 BS all neut fitted that insta lock the carrier and activate their neuts instantly a MUM could just easiely cyno out too any of there cyno alts. But that said seeing the price of one of thoose badboys the should be close to invinciable. Hopefully there will be a balance of some sort for this problem. Oh come on, use some creativity... Oh like agress him and kill him when he's logged off? If your so inclined and the pilot is that dumb then yea sure whatever Seriously tho there are a good few ways to kill an MS in low sec, but im hardly gonna list them off so people can have a pop at me am I?
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.09 13:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Rawthorm Seriously tho there are a good few ways to kill an MS in low sec, but im hardly gonna list them off so people can have a pop at me am I? You would say that. The fact remains that it has never happened despite concerted efforts to make it happen. I don't dispute that its possible just that it depends on the MOM pilot making a mistake rather than the anti-mom fleet doing everything right. _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 13:27:00 - [32] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Rawthorm Seriously tho there are a good few ways to kill an MS in low sec, but im hardly gonna list them off so people can have a pop at me am I? You would say that. The fact remains that it has never happened despite concerted efforts to make it happen. I don't dispute that its possible just that it depends on the MOM pilot making a mistake rather than the anti-mom fleet doing everything right. Concerted efforts? What a load of tosh. Most efforts i've seen were either poor or vocal rather than physical. Only exception to this so far for me has been Outbreak and they almost succeded and that was with a pretty unimaginitive aproach. Add in a bit of cunning and catch the MS when it's not in a deadpsace pocket and you got yourself a MS kill.
eXtas BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Rawthorm Seriously tho there are a good few ways to kill an MS in low sec, but im hardly gonna list them off so people can have a pop at me am I? You would say that. The fact remains that it has never happened despite concerted efforts to make it happen. I don't dispute that its possible just that it depends on the MOM pilot making a mistake rather than the anti-mom fleet doing everything right. Concerted efforts? What a load of tosh. Most efforts i've seen were either poor or vocal rather than physical. Only exception to this so far for me has been Outbreak and they almost succeded and that was with a pretty unimaginitive aproach. Add in a bit of cunning and catch the MS when it's not in a deadpsace pocket and you got yourself a MS kill. meh a mom would just cyno out when it notices some neut bs's if it isnt totaly ******** pilot, but then its not harder to kill a mom in low-sec then 0.0 because it would just smartbomb the dictor bubles... so to kill it u just need to ninja neut its cap, then bump it around with bs's or carriers so it gets out of sync
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:21:00 - [34] Originally by: eXtas meh a mom would just cyno out when it notices some neut bs's if it isnt totaly ******** pilot, but then its not harder to kill a mom in low-sec then 0.0 because it would just smartbomb the dictor bubles... so to kill it u just need to ninja neut its cap, then bump it around with bs's or carriers so it gets out of sync But then that down the player really. If the MS pilot your after is a total coward and leaves at the sign of anything more than a solo battleship then there isnt much you can do and you'd have the same problem killing him no matter what he was flying. Just because a NPC'ing battleship for example decided to run off and hide does not mean that the battleship is over powered but that rather the pilot is either paranoid or a coward which saddly isnt criminal in this game. I'm a firm beliver that as PvP'ers we have to work for the kill. If we want to rob someone of their assets then it should be us as the attackers that have to find a way to use the tools we have and come up with the cunning plan to put them in place. It's not the targets place to have to bend over and die just cos we want to kill him. After all it taken him days/weeks/months/years to get whatever we kill in the space of about 3-4 minutes so we should naturaly have the harder time.
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:36:00 - [35] Funnily enough I agree with Rawthorn "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:53:00 - [36] The problem is that most of the vaunted anti supercap strategies rely heavily on metagaming (lots of alts, messing with the pilots head etc), this should not be the case. If its going to exist ingame, there should be an ingame counter to it...in .0 you got the bubbles which is fine, but in lowsec theres nothing you can do to prevent him sticking around for a while, droneraping several attackers then cyno out before his cap is dead. That said, rather than bar them from entering lowsec Id rather there be some ships or mods or something that have the capability of putting points on a supercap. Its fine that capitals are all big and bad, but they need a serious achilles heel so they dont just become the next size up ship of the line and make bs and below obsolete. Likewise said weakness shouldnt just be bring 10000000 ships, weve tried that and most people agree that blob warfare isnt all that enjoyable hence CCP looking at alternatives. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:26:00 - [37] I also agree with limiting supercaps to 00. The only time you see them in low sec is for inta-ganks. This also brings the whole SmartBomb issue out though as something else that needs to be fixed. Smartbombs get equipped in high slots there fore there range should be based off the highslot point they are in. Now on a titan, this may gimp their use.... --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:48:00 - [38] I have a news for you ,from blueprint channel Miz Cenuij > WTB Titan bpc Originally by: Yurii Chan Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:02:24 ask Miz Cenuij/ Ginger Magician what they do in their Nyx usually in Crierlere (however its spelt). practically AFK gate camping with officer smartbombs (i was lucky to have fallen 14km away from the Nyx therefore no instapop for me)
SN3263827 The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.10 18:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Rawthorm Only exception to this so far for me has been Outbreak and they almost succeded and that was with a pretty unimaginitive aproach. Add in a bit of cunning and catch the MS when it's not in a deadpsace pocket and you got yourself a MS kill. I was there. The engagement was at a planet not a deadspace pocket. The only thing that could be done that may have required more imagination might have been to dump some secure cans around the MS to prevent it aligning, but that wouldn't guarantee the kill either because cans can't be placed precisely. Again, killing an MS requires the MS pilot to screw up or a lot of luck. That shouldn't be the case. The only people who are saying that MS in lowsec can be killed are MS pilots, and they all sing from the same hymnsheet - "It can be done but we aren't saying how" which is just another way of saying "We like the status quo; invulnerability suits us fine". _____________________________________________ Free the Oimmo One!
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.10 19:31:00 - [40] Originally by: KISOGOKU I have a news for you ,from blueprint channel Miz Cenuij > WTB Titan bpc Originally by: Yurii Chan Edited by: Yurii Chan on 08/06/2007 21:02:24 ask Miz Cenuij/ Ginger Magician what they do in their Nyx usually in Crierlere (however its spelt). practically AFK gate camping with officer smartbombs (i was lucky to have fallen 14km away from the Nyx therefore no instapop for me) thats old news, Ginger aka Cenuij has appealed to alliance Titan pilots to steal an alliance titan for him vowing to pay 80 billion isk for the trouble. (wonder if 80b isk is enough to wash the taint from the thief's char)
Cheechako Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.10 20:43:00 - [41] Factional alliances develop a new 'super capital' gate gun for low sec placement around stations and gates. Capeable of killing any super capital ship within seconds. Bam problem solved of low sec pirating.
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.10 22:27:00 - [42] To be clear on this, me and Ginger are not the same person. Looks like someone needs to get a clue. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Terra Mauter Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 22:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Miz Cenuij To be clear on this, me and Ginger are not the same person. Looks like someone needs to get a clue. Its comedy how many people think you are
Mongo Loid	Posted - 2007.06.10 22:48:00 - [44] Edited by: Mongo Loid on 10/06/2007 22:47:24 There are two ways to fix the problem of invulnerable supercaps in low sec. Either allow dictor bubbles in low sec, or just boot the supercaps out into 0.0 The first is way too broad a change just to fix this problem, the second is the best option except for a half-dozen losers who think PvP consists of sitting AFK on a gate 23/7 smartbombs blazing in their unkillable solo pwnmobile.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2007.06.11 05:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Miz Cenuij To be clear on this, me and Ginger are not the same person. Looks like someone needs to get a clue. bah wtb a clue. sorry mate, once thought i heard Ginger had bought Miz Cenuij from somewhere in the forums. plus the fact that whenever i see Ginger i see you didnt help any... apologies for mistakenly having taken you two as an item, please resume your usual duties with my sincerest remorse for this grave mistake
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.06.11 06:54:00 - [46] Said it before, saying it again. If a supercapital is supposed to have a support fleet with it, why is it immune to warpscrambling? Take away this ability and you got yourself a balanced ship, instead of a lowsecsologatecampingmobile. ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.11 10:04:00 - [47] /checks //double checks ///triple-checks HOLY MOLEY! I found a thread that Dark Shikaki hasn't posted in!?!?!?! He must be getting old.
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:01:00 - [48] A 0.0 limit isn't the answer.....motherships are still useful in lowsec, and wanthing to throw them out because a few enterprising individuals use them for murder and mayhem is just a touch carebearish. Plenty of people use them to bring in/out resources and products to and from the Empire markets, and nothin says lovin like a Momma assigning fighters. That being said, I do feel their complete invulnerability to EW is a fat bit of bunk. All ships should be succeptable to a degree, and some moreso than others. ECM should be determined solely by sensor stregnth, and since a supercap would logically have more surface area and more sensors, they would be much harder to jam. Internal space would also allow for more of an allotment for ECCM computers and descramblers, but if some enterprising group wants to bring along twenty blackbirds or rooks, I say power to them...the fighters still defend. Mix it up and make it messy. And just to stop the argument now, ECCM and sensor-boosting modules should be chassis-based and size related, much like weapons and tank components are now. That would give the supercaps higher CPU and Powergrid constraints (and all ships, to be honest) so you can't "IWIN" your way out of a bad situation with a rack of F-90s or F-89s to fill your odd slots. As far as propulsion, supercaps get the immunity for good reason. The number of points it would take to lock down a warp or jump bubble that large would be mind-numbing. Give her the old bug-on-the-windshield approach, jam the life out of it, and start busting up fighters. And as far as titans gate-camping lowsec, when someone hears about the first recorded instance, we'll address that beef then. Most of the Mega-Alliances who own titans have better things to do with them than sit on a gate in lowsec and collect t2 mods that they can build themselves for much cheaper without risking a titan. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Damien Smith Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:07:00 - [49] Miz can't be ginger. Miz can spell...
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Onnawa As far as propulsion, supercaps get the immunity for good reason. The number of points it would take to lock down a warp or jump bubble that large would be mind-numbing. What is the reason? And how much is mind-numbing? 30? 300? If mind-numbing is 300 points then why doesn't it say 300 points of warp core stability instead of infinite? Invulnerability is ba.a.a.a.a.ad ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:08:00 - [51] How many points it has wouldn't really matter, now would it? A simple bump or 2 puts him out of warp alignment, and a warp scram won't stop a jumpdrive last I checked....different drive system. "Invulnerability" insofar as warp drive goes is nipples on a bull...a carrier or mothership is more than easy enough to stop by playing bumpsies. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:18:00 - [52] I dont camp alone. The Nyx is not a SOLOPWNMOBILE. It cant tackle anything smaller than a BS on its own. People do attack it and force me out of the system (siege dreads = not pleasant). If people dont want me camping in thier systems its pretty bloody easy to force me to leave, but i guess its easier to wtf cry and rant on the forums. Losers. Jelous ones at that. All my love - Miz x. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:18:00 - [53] I dont camp alone. The Nyx is not a SOLOPWNMOBILE. It cant tackle anything smaller than a BS on its own. People do attack it and force me out of the system (siege dreads = not pleasant). If people dont want me camping in thier systems its pretty bloody easy to force me to leave, but i guess its easier to wtf cry and rant on the forums. Losers. Jelous ones at that. All my love - Miz x. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Miz Cenuij For every whinging sad lil bear that makes a post like this there are dozens more who when tey come across our supercapital camp are bloody happy. Survive or not its a real novelty for a lot of people to see a Mom camping. People travel from halfway across the map to see it and some even beg to be murdered. Take a note out of thier books and be a man, not a bear! So true. I got jumped by a mom last week. How I managed to tank it long enough to get into warp still surprises me. But my one thought when I had gotten out was not "yes I saved my domi". It was "WHY the fisk did I not hammer printscreen??" They are impressive things to see. iDrone
Parko Mantorius	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:45:00 - [55] Right now Supercapitals are the exception. But in EVE ISK and skill points are constantly increasing. So advance time a few weeks. I picture Supercapital camping will become the norm rather than the exception. And if every single gate between high and low sec is camped by a supercap, what do you think will happen to the low sec population?
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Miz Cenuij I dont camp alone. The Nyx is not a SOLOPWNMOBILE. It cant tackle anything smaller than a BS on its own. People do attack it and force me out of the system (siege dreads = not pleasant). If people dont want me camping in thier systems its pretty bloody easy to force me to leave, but i guess its easier to wtf cry and rant on the forums. Losers. Jelous ones at that. All my love - Miz x. Well, I'm talking about normally skilled pvpers. With three accounts you can easily gatecamp solo (yup, it's still solo) with impunity. One tackler/scout, one cynobiotch in another system and the nyx. Tell me how you can be killed by something other than a concentrated effort of 20+ people? Just because you run when you see a frig gang doesn't mean you need to. ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Janu Hull Get wtfpwnt by a dread in lowsec? Dreads aren't supercapitals. That hit me right after I posted, but I figured it wasn't worth the edit. Silly whine to begin with. The only reason for a Titan to be in low sec would be for jump bridging for some reason, and I can't even think of why someone would bother with a mom that high. Though I'd be absolutely curious to see a Titan go up against CONCORD, just once. I pray for the day we can doomsday mining ops.

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