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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: The Ender on 08/06/2007 22:12:04 I had a online small Caldari control tower. It had a forcefield password, which was verified to be operational by myself. It had 3 online Mobile labs that I was using to research BPOs.
The POS came under attack...
2007.06.02 10:59
Attacked object: Caldari Control Tower Small Current Shield Level: 99% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100%
I decided to go along and offline the 3 mobile labs and take them away before the POS went into reinforced as I would be unable to defend the POS. I was on my way until I got this in my inbox...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE Corp: *** Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory Moon: *** VI - Moon 6 System: *** Security: 0.3
then this...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE Corp: *** Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory Moon: *** VI - Moon 6 System: *** Security: 0.3
then this...
2007.06.02 13:20
Alliance: NONE Corp: *** Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory Moon: *** VI - Moon 6 System: *** Security: 0.3
Shortly after receiving these I get this...
2007.06.02 14:03
Attacked object: Caldari Control Tower Small Current Shield Level: 68% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100%
So obviously the tower was online and operational, but they still managed to kill the labs inside.
I petitioned the loss of the labs, however according to the GMs there was no circumvention of game mechanics nor the usage of any exploit.
Any one know how this happened?
And just an FYI to you all. There is a way to kill structures inside a POS field that has a password on.
Regards,
The Ender
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Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:15:00 -
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smartbombs?
~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: The Ender on 08/06/2007 22:17:12
Originally by: Alora Venoda smartbombs?
Sorry, maybe should have contained the whole killmail...
2007.06.02 13:19
Alliance: NONE Corp: *** Destroyed: Mobile Laboratory Moon: *** VI - Moon 6 System: *** Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: *** (laid the final blow) Security: *** Alliance: NONE Corp: *** Ship: Armageddon Weapon: Tachyon Beam Laser II
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:20:00 -
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That is freaky. I wonder how he did it. Someone, answer the man! --------
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:22:00 -
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Structures outside shield radius?
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astasia Orian Structures outside shield radius?
But then you can't anchor the structure.
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:25:00 -
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just wondering - why did you not fit any guns? Or did you?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:28:00 -
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Was the password easily guessable? Did it contain a mix of random letters and numbers, or was it a single short word? ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking |
The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN just wondering - why did you not fit any guns? Or did you?
3 labs on a small POS don't leave much CPU. I knew the risks, and was prepared to take them. I can afford the loss after all, but am not prepared to take a loss that is unexplainable and appear to be an exploit
Obviously the GMs know how it was achieved and they deem it to be within the game mechanics and not an exploit.
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Was the password easily guessable? Did it contain a mix of random letters and numbers, or was it a single short word?
9 letters, inlcuding a single number.
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Jita Alt
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:29:00 -
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Escalate the petition to a senior GM
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt Escalate the petition to a senior GM
I have done so.
I just posted here to see if it was known to anyone already, save wasting unnecessary GM time.
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Jita Alt
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:33:00 -
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Well, i've heard of ships getting shot inside a POS shield, never heard of POS mods getting shot though Shooting ships inside the shield is supposed to be an exploit though so i don't see how this should be any different
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:34:00 -
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Thanks to you all.
It does seem there is a legitimate case, just wanted to be sure.
If someone told me that they knew how it was done I was gonna close the petition.
Will keep it open for now.
Thanks,
The Ender
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: The Ender Thanks to you all.
It does seem there is a legitimate case, just wanted to be sure.
If someone told me that they knew how it was done I was gonna close the petition.
Will keep it open for now.
Thanks,
The Ender
Request it be escalated. The GM you talked to probably just didn't get it. --------
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Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:00:00 -
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maybe they found some way to shoot through the shield while bumping into it or something - possibly related to the "bowling" exploit.
but is it possible to even target-lock objects inside a POS shield from the outside with no password access?
~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda maybe they found some way to shoot through the shield while bumping into it or something - possibly related to the "bowling" exploit.
but is it possible to even target-lock objects inside a POS shield from the outside with no password access?
I thought not. --------
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Major Stormer
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:04:00 -
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You cannot lock stuff inside a POS shield, password or not. Once the POS is offline/shield disabled, you can.
Seems rather odd really.
--------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 08/06/2007 23:11:48 I'm not familiar with the way that these things work, but is it possible that the tower ran out of fuel (with no strontium in reserve) and went offline, leaving the labs completely open to attack? The tower itself would still have had a lot of HP and would have taken ages to kill with a battleship, so the attacker might not have bothered.
//edit: I suppose not, after re-reading the OP...
*scratches head* ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking |
Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:16:00 -
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Have you asked the attacker, how they were able to lock the labs? As long as the POS was online there should have been none method of locking a module inside the forcefield.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'm not familiar with the way that these things work, but is it possible that the tower ran out of fuel (with no strontium in reserve) and went offline, leaving the labs completely open to attack? The tower itself would still have had a lot of HP and would have taken ages to kill with a battleship, so the attacker might not have bothered.
according to the report, it had 68% shields after the labs were destroyed. so i don't think it went offline at any point. plus i believe it would have sent a evemail notification about being offline if that was the case. furthermore, i believe that simply not having stront would only prevent the reinforced mode and cause it to continue to lose shields like any other object.
there must have been some kind of exploit/bug, or the OP is leaving out some crucial info. there is no other explanation, since this chain of events directly contradicts the purpose and function of the POS shields.
~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Helison Have you asked the attacker, how they were able to lock the labs? As long as the POS was online there should have been none method of locking a module inside the forcefield.
if they exploited a bug or something, i doubt they would admit it. expect silly answers like "it was magic."
~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
MorbidPenguin
Hard Corp Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: MorbidPenguin on 08/06/2007 23:25:20 This happened to a friend's POS a while ago. Same thing happened - Tower was online but several anchored and online structures inside were shot and the tower was left. Friend petitioned, GM said the same thing: It was not an exploit but he couldn't go into details. That was that; my friend never escalated it (although perhaps he should have) and we have never found out how the hell it happened.
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Leonard Darwin
Rosewood Productions
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:31:00 -
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What if someone from his corp (or had POS access) ganged the people shooting his POS, would that allow them to target modules inside?
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 08/06/2007 23:34:09
Originally by: The Ender 3 labs on a small POS don't leave much CPU.
Guns dont use any CPU
Originally by: Leonard Darwin What if someone from his corp (or had POS access) ganged the people shooting his POS, would that allow them to target modules inside?
No. There is no way, at all, to target POS modules, while the POS is online. At least until Rev 2.0 hits, anyway. That's one of the core principles of POS warfare, i'm very surprised for the GMs to admit there's a way to do it without breaking the rules.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:39:00 -
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If you get a similar response from the senior GM saying basically "it is not an exploit" ask them if any defense existed for your structures anchored inside the POS bubble other than you being there with a fleet to defend.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:42:00 -
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There used to be an exploit with a passive targeter, BoC used that one extensively. If the GM told you that there was no exploit, kindly ask him to tell you how it's done, it can only be an exploit/bug or a feature that should be known/documented. I have never seen any documentation about such a possibility, so if it exists, we should be told.
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Toppar Wear
STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:43:00 -
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Passive targeners allowed you to lock up ships inside pos sheilds.. This might work with mods.. Who knows
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CiderKing
Gallente Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.06.08 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: MorbidPenguin Edited by: MorbidPenguin on 08/06/2007 23:25:20 This happened to a friend's POS a while ago. Same thing happened - Tower was online but several anchored and online structures inside were shot and the tower was left. Friend petitioned, GM said the same thing: It was not an exploit but he couldn't go into details. That was that; my friend never escalated it (although perhaps he should have) and we have never found out how the hell it happened.
Very interested in this topic.
^thats me^
Same thing, expect my pos was in 0.0 with guns. 1 battleship and 1 HAC totaled my small pos. No way in hell could they have done it in one night. (not even counting the 14 hours of stront)
I filed a petition, got no where with it. I'll try to complain more now that someone else has the same issue.
-Cider
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Kamal Drax
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Posted - 2007.06.09 00:17:00 -
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Watching thread with great interest...
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