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Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:50:00 - [1] not a major battle but a fun one... This morning Hydra Intel channels began to report an incoming Blind Beaver/Eternal rising/ESA gang of about 25 heading up the p3 pipe towards c-f. At the time, Hydra had a small gang of about 10 roaming cruisers and battle cruisers. Realising we where no match for such a huge force we retreated to c-f and put out the call for the alliance members to get safe and join the gang. By this time the hostile fleet had moved 1 jump out from us. However by now we had 45 members in gang. We where still cautious however as we realised that they still had the potential to win the day as they had come rolling pretty heavy. They also had 2 logistics cruisers with them. The hostile fleet split into two squads. Their interceptors and force recons moved to the c-f station and harassed members trying to dock and undock, while the heavy hitters remained on the gate ready to jump into c-f. It was at this stage that we made our move. We bubbled the gate and warped in. The battle raged for what seemed to be an eternityà however battle logs indicate it was more like 20 mins ;p. We attempted to primary the logistics cruisers but they proved extremely slippery >_>. Primaries where calledà hostiles went downà friendlies went downà people where warping in and out like crazy. Lag was present but not horribleà In the end Hydra held the fieldà there where however heavy losses on both sides. Hydra fielded 45ish ships. Losses on the KB a few hours after the engagement show 18 losses. Mix of T1 cruisers BCÆs and BSÆs Hostile gang fielded 25ish ships and lost 19. Mix of t2 frigs, recons and a few heavier ships. Thanks to Blind Beavers, ESA and Eternal rising on a great fight. YouÆve proved yourselves great opponents. It was a lot of fun.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Minigin They also had 2 logistics cruisers with them. Fear the Basilisk!!!!! Decent battle report, nice one.
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:04:00 - [3] Sounds like the best kind of EVE fight This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:11:00 - [4] Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all.
Herra B Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:20:00 - [5] Have to sign this, was a brilliant fight. I had a touch of lag at the start but nothing that made any difference.
WarFireV Gallente Lockheed Technologies Inc	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. The economy of mass is a good tactic to use. If someone was invading would you tell only 20 of your ships to fight them off or would you call in the 50 you have ready to fight. Please you would do the same thing in there position.
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:45:00 - [7] I dont like the ish numbers so here are the accurate stats taken from Hydra killboard: Hydra fielded 49 ships.. 1 Carrier 9 Bs 15 BC 14 cruiser class 10 frigate class In that gang these were ecm: 5 celestis 4 blackbird 1 scorpion 1 rook Beavers/friends had 27 ships: 4 Bs 4 Bc 6 cruiser class ships 13 frigate class ships 1 falcon as ecm Losses on Hydra side: 4bs 4bc 9 cruiser 3 frigs ___________ = 20 losses Losses on BB side 1 bs 3 bc 3 cruiser 12 frigates ___________ = 19 losses http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
Father Weebles Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:51:00 - [8] thats a lot of ecm "You leave anything for us?" "Just bodies."
Aramark Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:59:00 - [9] sounds like fun. [/url]
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. eh? was Danari character sold o_O ? - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!

Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig eh? was Danari character sold o_O ? - Gob <3 Come to the dark side, it'll set you free.
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Altar Mei on 10/06/2007 02:21:53 Nice to read about these type of engagements. You know what the best part of this was? No POS. Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. tbh... it sounds like your a tad bitter... however your stance on this is very hypocritcal if i was to take you seriously. was it not triumverate that called in25 capital class ships to destroy 2 dreadnoughts in p3? so is it then fair to say tri will not engage in a capital battle with hydra unless they have 4 times the number of caps? please dont misunderstand me... i dont think this is at all true but it shows that your stance on this lacks logic. Also i would point out that "even" fights are extreamly hard to find... even even by numbers shiptypes and fittings make a differeance... T1 will never = T2, so for an alliance that cant all fly out in well fitted t2 ships numbers will always be needed. People have begun to appreciate this... everyone but you apparently.
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.06.10 02:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Minigin Also i would point out that "even" fights are extreamly hard to find... even even by numbers shiptypes and fittings make a differeance... T1 will never = T2, so for an alliance that cant all fly out in well fitted t2 ships numbers will always be needed. People have begun to appreciate this... everyone but you apparently. Very good way to look at it. __________________________________________________ Arg - I had a cool green mod sig, but then I think the mods deleted the end of it or something so it just said [Limegreen]...
Arric Rohr The Knights Templar Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Ugluuk I dont like the ish numbers so here are the accurate stats taken from Hydra killboard: Hydra fielded 49 ships.. 1 Carrier 9 Bs 15 BC 14 cruiser class 10 frigate class In that gang these were ecm: 5 celestis 4 blackbird 1 scorpion 1 rook Beavers/friends had 27 ships: 4 Bs 4 Bc 6 cruiser class ships 13 frigate class ships 1 falcon as ecm Losses on Hydra side: 4bs 4bc 9 cruiser 3 frigs ___________ = 20 losses Losses on BB side 1 bs 3 bc 3 cruiser 12 frigates ___________ = 19 losses Ah, I guess I didn't know some definitions. Now I do, thanks. Eos is a BC. Curse, Rook, Deimos, Guardian, and Rapier are cruisers. Assorted AF's and Interceptors are actually frigates. So when you kill a Thorax it's a cruiser, and when you lose a Deimos it's also a cruiser. Much clearer now. :) AR Where do I get one of those cool signatures?
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:22:00 - [16] Wish I could have been there, logged on right after, everyone said it was a awesome fight.
VoYvod Amarr Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:26:00 - [17] Edited by: VoYvod on 10/06/2007 04:25:46 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. tbh... it sounds like your a tad bitter... however your stance on this is very hypocritcal if i was to take you seriously. was it not triumverate that called in25 capital class ships to destroy 2 dreadnoughts in p3? so is it then fair to say tri will not engage in a capital battle with hydra unless they have 4 times the number of caps? please dont misunderstand me... i dont think this is at all true but it shows that your stance on this lacks logic. 1st off lets think real hard why there were so many tri cap ships ... oh thats right tri was defending a pos .. so that amount of capital ships for that kind of op isnt really that ridiculous .. plus you 4got to mention the support fleet that hydra/friends and what tri had , and there were more than 2 dreads to shoot at so my question to you is , where is your logic? You [/b]seem bitter edit: spelling
mr bighelmet EnTech Pax Familia	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Arric Rohr Originally by: Ugluuk I dont like the ish numbers so here are the accurate stats taken from Hydra killboard: Hydra fielded 49 ships.. 1 Carrier 9 Bs 15 BC 14 cruiser class 10 frigate class In that gang these were ecm: 5 celestis 4 blackbird 1 scorpion 1 rook Beavers/friends had 27 ships: 4 Bs 4 Bc 6 cruiser class ships 13 frigate class ships 1 falcon as ecm Losses on Hydra side: 4bs 4bc 9 cruiser 3 frigs ___________ = 20 losses Losses on BB side 1 bs 3 bc 3 cruiser 12 frigates ___________ = 19 losses Ah, I guess I didn't know some definitions. Now I do, thanks. Eos is a BC. Curse, Rook, Deimos, Guardian, and Rapier are cruisers. Assorted AF's and Interceptors are actually frigates. So when you kill a Thorax it's a cruiser, and when you lose a Deimos it's also a cruiser. Much clearer now. :) AR He just call ship size, he listed the rook from your side as cruiser, probabyl did the list by size to save time. If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Minigin on 10/06/2007 04:47:01 Originally by: VoYvod Edited by: VoYvod on 10/06/2007 04:25:46 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. tbh... it sounds like your a tad bitter... however your stance on this is very hypocritcal if i was to take you seriously. was it not triumverate that called in25 capital class ships to destroy 2 dreadnoughts in p3? so is it then fair to say tri will not engage in a capital battle with hydra unless they have 4 times the number of caps? please dont misunderstand me... i dont think this is at all true but it shows that your stance on this lacks logic. 1st off lets think real hard why there were so many tri cap ships ... oh thats right tri was defending a pos .. so that amount of capital ships for that kind of op isnt really that ridiculous .. plus you 4got to mention the support fleet that hydra/friends and what tri had , and there were more than 2 dreads to shoot at so my question to you is , where is your logic?[/b][/b] You seem bitter edit: spelling 1) yes eventualy there where more dreads to shoot at... but inital attack was made by two... and you had no way of knowing aobut the others 2) "now lets think real hard about this... oh thats right... hydra was deffending its home system... thats why they had so many ships..." 3) so my question to you is... when will you realise you are making no sense and shutup? edit: and no not bitter... just responding to your earlier comment...
Marvn Riley Amarr Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Minigin Thanks to Blind Beavers, ESA and Eternal rising on a great fight. YouÆve proved yourselves great opponents. It was a lot of fun. It was quite fun. One does not go kick a hornets nest, and not expect to get stung. Thanks for bringing the topper to one of the longest nights of EvE I've ever had. CCP: Fix Overview bugs pls. I lived too long due to having to relog to fix correct mine :( Marvn

Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:21:00 - [21] Bring whatever numbers you want, that wasn't the point. The point was you can always count on Hydra to underperform, and your post illustrates this case in point perfectly. If I were in an engagement and my double numbers managed to just break even, yeah, the last thing I'd do would be to publicize it. Jeez.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Danari Bring whatever numbers you want, that wasn't the point. The point was you can always count on Hydra to underperform, and your post illustrates this case in point perfectly. If I were in an engagement and my double numbers managed to just break even, yeah, the last thing I'd do would be to publicize it. Jeez. look here you! i posted this because it was alot of fun... and this is a game! your post reflects your attitude... you have to be awesome at a game to have fun with it... also about numbers... here is somthing to think about... i would engage 3 T1 frigs in my ishkur any day... why? Just because you are outnumbered... it doesnt mean you will be outgunned.
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Chirinako on 10/06/2007 08:41:21 Smaller fights are always the best. Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 10/06/2007 04:47:01 Originally by: VoYvod Edited by: VoYvod on 10/06/2007 04:25:46 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. tbh... it sounds like your a tad bitter... however your stance on this is very hypocritcal if i was to take you seriously. was it not triumverate that called in25 capital class ships to destroy 2 dreadnoughts in p3? so is it then fair to say tri will not engage in a capital battle with hydra unless they have 4 times the number of caps? please dont misunderstand me... i dont think this is at all true but it shows that your stance on this lacks logic. 1st off lets think real hard why there were so many tri cap ships ... oh thats right tri was defending a pos .. so that amount of capital ships for that kind of op isnt really that ridiculous .. plus you 4got to mention the support fleet that hydra/friends and what tri had , and there were more than 2 dreads to shoot at so my question to you is , where is your logic?[/b] You seem bitter edit: spelling 1) yes eventualy there where more dreads to shoot at... but inital attack was made by two... and you had no way of knowing aobut the others 2) "now lets think real hard about this... oh thats right... hydra was deffending its home system... thats why they had so many ships..." 3) so my question to you is... when will you realise you are making no sense and shutup? edit: and no not bitter... just responding to your earlier comment... If Tri had 25 dreads there do you expect them to just send out 2? when will you realise you are making no sense[/b]?
Kai page coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Danari Bring whatever numbers you want, that wasn't the point. The point was you can always count on Hydra to underperform, and your post illustrates this case in point perfectly. If I were in an engagement and my double numbers managed to just break even, yeah, the last thing I'd do would be to publicize it. Jeez. look here you! i posted this because it was alot of fun... and this is a game! your post reflects your attitude... you have to be awesome at a game to have fun with it... also about numbers... here is somthing to think about... i would engage 3 T1 frigs in my ishkur any day... why? Just because you are outnumbered... it doesnt mean you will be outgunned. Sounds like a good fight mate, hydra always bring the good figths when i've been down to c-f. stop the smack and respect it for what it is a bit of fun.
yarrmarr Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:11:00 - [25] Guys, please let the smackin commence on the battlefield or at least do it in the thread called 'my e-peen is biggah than yourzorrrs' ;) It was a fun fight, we were a bit bored there were no hydra peeps to be seen on our 13 hop route from p3 to hydra homesystem, but that was compensated by the endless (it seemed that way at least ) stream of red stars warping in on top of us once we jumped into c-f. I had the impression Hydra fielded two carriers though, not one. One on the battlefield itself and one assigning fighters from a pos so.. once again... fun fight, now can we have dockingrights please? our interceptors were feeling a bit left out when they knocked on your outpost :(
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:22:00 - [26] Edited by: Elliott Manchild on 10/06/2007 09:21:36 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Danari Typical hydra fight, approximately double numbers needed to have approximately even kills. In an even fight they rarely kill anything at all. tbh... it sounds like your a tad bitter... however your stance on this is very hypocritcal if i was to take you seriously. was it not triumverate that called in25 capital class ships to destroy 2 dreadnoughts in p3? so is it then fair to say tri will not engage in a capital battle with hydra unless they have 4 times the number of caps? please dont misunderstand me... i dont think this is at all true but it shows that your stance on this lacks logic. Also i would point out that "even" fights are extreamly hard to find... even even by numbers shiptypes and fittings make a differeance... T1 will never = T2, so for an alliance that cant all fly out in well fitted t2 ships numbers will always be needed. People have begun to appreciate this... everyone but you apparently. We scanned one of your guys revelation and saw he had like 8 cargo expanded fitted and decided we needed lots of caps. And you had more than tripple the size of our support gang your guys just didn't dare warp in. Your sig is too big, maximum size is 24000 bytes. Email us at [email protected] if you have any questions. - Devil Leave me be you evil mods =[
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:53:00 - [27] Missed it unfortunely, but sounds like a good fight.
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Chirinako If Tri had 25 dreads there do you expect them to just send out 2? when will you realise you are making no sense? i think thats half my point... if we had the numbers why wouldnt we use them. I have no problem with the number of caps tri brought nor have i ever...(when i said it last time it was to illustrate my point) Originally by: Kai page Sounds like a good fight mate, hydra always bring the good figths when i've been down to c-f. stop the smack and respect it for what it is a bit of fun. agreed. it was alot of fun and thats whats important.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.10 10:45:00 - [29] I hope you'll let me put my 5 cents in. First off, thanks to Hydra for a nice fight. Numbers, skills, modules, whatever set aside, the battlefield was even. We had a nice long enduring fight, Hydra took the field, sure enough, but at the end of the day, we tossed around quite a few of you, had some fun, and that's what it's all about... tossing around some Hydra's that is :) Since Minigin felt that this smaller engagement needed to go on the forums, I'd like to do a little writeup of another trip to C-FP we had... 2 days prior to this one. It was approx. the same numbers, duration and size of engagement, so let's put it all out on the table shall we. Details can be found on our killboard for those who want to go into details. Basically scenario was the same... bla bla bla... to C-FP70.... bla bla bla Hydra forming up defense... bla bla bla, us jumping into the mess outnumbered, but perhaps not outgunned. We had a nice long 10 minute fight. Kudos! Number break down (Including specific ship types) Hydra (48 total): 5 Elite Frigates 15 Cruisers 2 Elite Cruisers 10 Battlecruisers 9 Battleships 3 Frigates, 1 Carrier, 3 Elite Battlecruisers Blind Beavers side (17 total): 6 battlecruisers 1 Elite Frigate 1 Elite Destroyer (also known as Interdictor) 4 Elite Cruisers 1 Elite Battlecruiser 2 Battleships 1 Cruiser 1 Corporation (Also known as Guristas, guess someone got some fire from a gate rat or whatever) :) Losses Hydra (26 ships, 0 pod): 3 Elite Frigates 12 Cruisers 1 Elite Cruiser 6 Battlecruisers 2 Battleships 2 Frigates Losses Blind Beavers (5 ships, 1 pod): 3 Battlecruisers 1 Elite Frigate 1 Elite Destroyer 1 Capsule Again Hydra held the field in the end as several of their pilot warped straight back into a new ship when they were downed. Some of them even lost 2 ships in the engagement. Why do I post all this, you may ask... well... I just figured everyone else should get a more clear picture on how a regular battle vs. Hydra goes down. It really is a shame not to give ppl a clear picture. Your killboard did show this picture until you took down the campaign! See you in C-FP for more fights... Your strength is numbers, ours is modules and skills i guess. Sooner or later, we will bring enough to take you on even in full numbers. In other words... Hydra, you're running out of members! :)
Reix Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 10:46:00 - [30] Some of you guys take this **** awfully seriously but if that's what's fun for you then right on. Thanks to everyone for actually fighting. I was expecting hours of chest beating and rumors without much actual fighting. Thanks for giving me a reason to put my BS to use. She went down like a drunken prom queen but it was worth it for the fun fight. Good fight to everyone involved.



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