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Onezen
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Posted - 2007.06.10 06:53:00 -
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I can fly a Taranis but I've heard that they are not the best interceptor.
Which one stands out as the best one?
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Lithel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.10 06:57:00 -
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This game has no "best" anything...
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 06:59:00 -
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probably the crow
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Onezen
BEAT ME ZWERG, PLEASE PLEASE BEAT ME UP, ID LIKE IT SOOOO MUCH!!!11
... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
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Entreri Finwe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:56:00 -
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They are good at different things...
I like to fly the Stiletto in gangs, 4 mids are nice to have...
The only intys that I can see as bad are the Malediction and Raptor and I think it's more for lack of damage/speed that that they are just worthless...the Malediction IIRC can get pretty decent speed and three mids alows it to fit a webber but it lacks the damage of the Crusader...
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Gee Lok
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:26:00 -
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Interceptors really have two roles as far as pvp goes. Anti support and tackling.
The taranis is a prety nice inty tbh. It has inty speed and dps like an AF, so it is arguably the best at anti frig & cruiser.
The crow is the best tackler even though it is kinda slow because it can orbit at 20km while scraming and spamming with missiles.
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Plave Okice
Gallente
Combat Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:41:00 -
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Stilleto is an awesome tackler with its 4 mids
Crow and Taranis can both do decent dps for an inty. If you can tolerate the speed penalty with enough skills and implants then a T2 long range rocket Crow is an amazing ship.
All 3 are great ships.
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sandamar
Gallente
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:23:00 -
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From my point of view i would say that :
-taranis railgun or blaster is awesome.
-crow is awesome too.
The crow could be better at tackling, and the taranis at anti support, besides a taranis fitted with blaster tech II deals a lot of damage.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:29:00 -
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SHort range - taranis, long range - Crow.
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Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:32:00 -
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Crow sucks.
Best longrange ceptor is easily the Crusader.
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Goshinko
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:35:00 -
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Inty vs. Inty = Crusader or Railranis
General Purpose = Crow, Railranis
DPS = Blasteranis, Claw, (Rocket crow?)
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Crow sucks.
Best longrange ceptor is easily the Crusader.
Invest some money into Crow. And skills. If you do not believe me, ask BoD, they know for sure which inter is the best.
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Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh
Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS.
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R.I.P. <Eagle>
R.I.P. <ECM>
R.I.P. <Drake>
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Crow sucks.
Best longrange ceptor is easily the Crusader.
Well thats certainly a change.
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige
9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:07:00 -
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Why are people so obsessed with finding the 'best' of something. If one was clearly the best, there wouldn't be any point in the others.
None one example of anything is 'the best', get over it.
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Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Parfait M
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Ryysa
Crow sucks.
Best longrange ceptor is easily the Crusader.
Invest some money into Crow. And skills. If you do not believe me, ask BoD, they know for sure which inter is the best.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:11:00 -
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As an all rounder I would have to probably say crow or crusader tbh.
I'm personally more a fan of the crow but many people say great things about the sader.
If you know what you want to do with it then obviously there would be more appropiate ones to use (ranis for all out gankage for example).
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:58:00 -
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Crusader DPS > Crow DPS
Also, in a 1v1, a Crow can not do anything to a ceptor which goes faster than 6km/s.
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Jake Stevens
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Crusader DPS > Crow DPS
Also, in a 1v1, a Crow can not do anything to a ceptor which goes faster than 6km/s.
The crow dps REALLY SUCKS... You seriously can't kill anything bigger than a t1 frig. I don't know why people think the crow is so imba 
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:01:00 -
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You can't kill a t1 frig.
It will slowboat back to the gate without speedmods before you kill it.
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
You can't kill a t1 frig.
It will slowboat back to the gate without speedmods before you kill it.
160 dps+ at 18km is enough to kill alot of ships. Yes alot of frigs, but also t2 frigs, cruisers, some battlecruisers and noob battleships.
Don't know about the Crusader because i've never flown it.
Killed a few interceptors doing 5-6km/s in my crow, made alot more disengage and warp out on me.
Don't know about the crusader, but last i checked it isn't very hard for any deacent intypilot to break an 10-20/24km orbit in intyfights.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
160 dps+ at 18km is enough to kill alot of ships. Yes alot of frigs, but also t2 frigs, cruisers, some battlecruisers and noob battleships.
Don't know about the Crusader because i've never flown it.
Killed a few interceptors doing 5-6km/s in my crow, made alot more disengage and warp out on me.
Don't know about the crusader, but last i checked it isn't very hard for any deacent intypilot to break an 10-20/24km orbit in intyfights.
Yay for random crap. Since when does crow do 160 dps?
Also, a ceptor doing 6km/s, you can't even hit with precision lights for any damage, and rockets are too slow to catch up.
You fail. Making up numbers doesn't help you either. yawn.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2007.06.10 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Goshinko
Inty vs. Inty = Crusader or Railranis
General Purpose = Crow, Railranis
DPS = Blasteranis, Claw, (Rocket crow?)
Kind of agree with this.. except that Taranis as you write is best dps, and also will own anything that aint close range and it gets in blaster range :)
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Cpt Fina
160 dps+ at 18km is enough to kill alot of ships. Yes alot of frigs, but also t2 frigs, cruisers, some battlecruisers and noob battleships.
Don't know about the Crusader because i've never flown it.
Killed a few interceptors doing 5-6km/s in my crow, made alot more disengage and warp out on me.
Don't know about the crusader, but last i checked it isn't very hard for any deacent intypilot to break an 10-20/24km orbit in intyfights.
Yay for random crap. Since when does crow do 160 dps?
Also, a ceptor doing 6km/s, you can't even hit with precision lights for any damage, and rockets are too slow to catch up.
You fail. Making up numbers doesn't help you either. yawn.
Just what i thought. I really hoped you would say that you knew about all of this and explained why the crusader is better.
But if you don't know what i'm talking about then you obviously don't have much experience in flying the Crow. I will not post any setup or even give a hint because the Crow is all i fly and it is in my intrest too have people underestimate it.
Precision light missiles will hit targets going 6km/s with even minor skills. Alltho it will get a drawback due to the explosionvelocity vs target velocity, you can still kill an interceptor going 6km/s within a couple of minutes if not less.
I think it hillarious that you think that you are in a position to say anything about the crow with you abvious lack of knowledge.
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Just fyi, Light Missile crow does a whopping 37 DPS. A rocket crow does around 47 dps and a beam sader does around 60-70 dps, heavily depending on ammo.
A Pulse sader with scorch does about 109 dps, but only upto some 10km range.
Just fyi, a light missile crow without any damagemods can do 55 dps without maxed out skills.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:33:00 -
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pimped crow with 15km/s will win.
you can also fit a shield extender when you are longrange, gives nice hp boost.
Just look at the ASCN/BOB interceptor 1on1, both were crows. Nuff said.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:34:00 -
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another challanger for Ryysa. . .yawn
The Crow is a fantastic inti - I will grant it that. But if you are looking to kill something and you want to fly the fastest acceleratingg, fastest top speed, highest dps interceptor - then the Crusaider is your ship. In this regard Ryysa is right, the Crusaider, depending on what your qualifications for 'best' are, is the 'best' inti in a more areas traditionally considered good for inties then any other inti. Its weakness is not its dps or speed or even its tanking (tanking on an inti? its called speed!), its weakness is in tracking - a crow does not need to track, it looks at sig radius, which acts differently then transversal. A saider in the zone is one that found that perfect balance between its tracking and its max speed. . .its eiusive.
Anyway, Ryysa is right, but saying the crow 'sucks' is a an overstatement.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 10/06/2007 15:02:33
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Just what i thought. I really hoped you would say that you knew about all of this and explained why the crusader is better.
But if you don't know what i'm talking about then you obviously don't have much experience in flying the Crow. I will not post any setup or even give a hint because the Crow is all i fly and it is in my intrest too have people underestimate it.
Dude, you're so full of crap it's not even funny anymore. I'm not the one who said crow does 160 dps, which is 3x as much as it can do.
Also, if you are not going to post anything constructive, might as well not post at all?
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Precision light missiles will hit targets going 6km/s with even minor skills. Alltho it will get a drawback due to the explosionvelocity vs target velocity, you can still kill an interceptor going 6km/s within a couple of minutes if not less.
Err, precision light missile vs ceptor going 6km/s will do about 18 dps, while if it's a rail ranis/sader he can easily fly in straight line and hit you for 60+dps the entire time. Fail. You either die or run.
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I think it hillarious that you think that you are in a position to say anything about the crow with you abvious lack of knowledge.
You're really funny. You fail so bad at math that it's not even funny anymore. Fyi, I have pimped crow + snakes. So yeah, whatever.
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Just fyi, a light missile crow without any damagemods can do 55 dps without maxed out skills.
Noob. It can't. Stop pulling numbers out of your ass.
It can only do that with completely maxed skills (spec must be lv5, never mind all other skills), or high damage ammo. However, high damage missile range is ... 20km, and it nerfs your cap.
I have not yet seen a single crow use them.
Proof here with maxed out skills:
T2 Launcher base ROF: 12 sec.
T1 Kinetic Missile base damage: 75 dmg.
T2 Kinetic Fury Missile base damage: 87 dmg.
Launcher ROF after skills/bonuses: 12*0.9*0.85*0.9 = 8.262 (sec)
T1 Missile damage after skills/bonuses: 75*1.25*1.5*1.1 = 154.6875 (dmg)
T2 Missile damage after skills/bonuses: 87*1.25*1.5*1.1 = 179.4375 (dmg)
DPS: (154.6875.125/8.262)*3 = 55.918 DPS with MAX skills and T1 Missiles.
DPS: (154.6875.125/8.262)*3 = 65.155 DPS with MAX skills and T2 Missiles.
So yeah, I think your argument about "experience" kinda goes out of the window now, since I'm not really one who made a mistake with crow DPS by a factor of 3 earlier .
The other DPS figures I brought out were using non-kinetic missiles, which I have corrected in this post.
Tbh, unless you have anything to back up what you are saying, you might as well shut up, until you make yourself more of an idiot than you have already.
Originally by: Tassi
pimped crow with 15km/s will win.
you can also fit a shield extender when you are longrange, gives nice hp boost.
Just look at the ASCN/BOB interceptor 1on1, both were crows. Nuff said.
A Crusader which you throw the same amount of isk at will have no problem killing said crow. Because once the speed goes over 6km/s, the crow starts doing about 10 dps with precision missiles while gimping it's speed, at 8k/s precision missiles completely fail, and sader can easily do full damage if it flies manually and reduces it's transversal.
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amstaffuuu
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:03:00 -
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For me there is no best inty
They are bests inty for each race
Malediction==>ammar
Stilleto==>minmatarr
Taranis==>gallentean
I don't like==>caldari
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 10/06/2007 15:11:17
Come on test server, I'll take a punisher and jump into you, without any speedmods.
I'll slowboat back to the gate, without ab or mwd, if you can kill me I'll eat my words. And that is, without using a web, since if I web you, you'll be pretty screwed.
Until then "meh".
I do fly crow for a long time, and I wouldn't say this, if this hadn't happened to me _multiple_ times.
Originally by: Cpt Fina
I simply laid some crow-facts on the table but I did not in any way state the crusaders ability to preform those tasks.
It's hardly "fact" when it's completely untrue.
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Dalanoria
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:13:00 -
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Im partial to the crusader, that is, I would be if i bothered to fly them for anything but, get from point A - point B fast..
I do recall a few +200 wrecking shots from my medium pulse II on a crusader though...
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