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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Taz Devlin
Toon
Everytime I see someone use that 'word' I get the sudden urge to tear them a new one 
I never thought that was so bad, but i guess it's common enough gripe to be worth adding, done.
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HoldMyFace
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:39:00 -
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For clarification, Kiting, or to KITe is "Killing" or to "Kill In Transit" refers to the art of moving to avoid damage whilst returning fire.
And I'll admit to having said "mob" and "Guild" instead of "rat" and "corp" >.<
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HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:43:00 -
[33]
Originally by: HoldMyFace
And I'll admit to having said "mob" and "Guild" instead of "rat" and "corp" >.<
now you are KOS ;)
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:50:00 -
[34]
i'd like to add "this thread reeks of fanboy elitism" which is a phrase that has no place in the elitist fanboy world of eve.
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Katu Na'Athr
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:55:00 -
[35]
Originally by: HoldMyFace
For clarification, Kiting, or to KITe is "Killing" or to "Kill In Transit" refers to the art of moving to avoid damage whilst returning fire.
And I'll admit to having said "mob" and "Guild" instead of "rat" and "corp" >.<
I have heard and used the verb "to Kite" pretty often... don't see that many problems with "mob" and "guild" either to be honest...
All in all I must say that insisting on a specific form of lingo for one particular MMORPG is, in my opinion just a form of snobism. Many people here play or have played several games before Eve, and terminology will get mixed up. Just the way it goes, isn't it?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:59:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Patch86 on 13/06/2007 13:03:37
Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Taz Devlin
Toon
Everytime I see someone use that 'word' I get the sudden urge to tear them a new one
I never thought that was so bad, but i guess it's common enough gripe to be worth adding, done.
Told you 
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Originally by: Katu Na'Athr
All in all I must say that insisting on a specific form of lingo for one particular MMORPG is, in my opinion just a form of snobism. Many people here play or have played several games before Eve, and terminology will get mixed up. Just the way it goes, isn't it?
Every game has it's own culture, and EVE has one of the most individual MMO communities of the lot. It's distinguishably different as a game, and it's terminology reflects that. What seems appropriate when talking about a warrior's pets kiteing a mob of goblins, doesn't necessarily seem as appropriate for a pilot's drones popping a fleet of rats. It's all in the style.
"Guild" sounds very dungeons and dragons. It just doesn't feel right when talking about a hyper-capitalist allegiance of star ship owners. "Corporation" just fits the scenery. "Corporation" would sound pretty dumb in Everquest or WoW, too, I bet.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Katu Na'Athr
I have heard and used the verb "to Kite" pretty often... don't see that many problems with "mob" and "guild" either to be honest...
All in all I must say that insisting on a specific form of lingo for one particular MMORPG is, in my opinion just a form of snobism. Many people here play or have played several games before Eve, and terminology will get mixed up. Just the way it goes, isn't it?
Or you can just spend the 10 minutes to realize some words don't have a place in EVE. Quite frankly EVE is the only game that deserves such "elitist fanboyism". Oh and trust me i think i did this post quite politely...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:10:00 -
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Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?
Actually, it's "char" (from "Character"), which further splits into "main" (main/primary char) and "alt" (alternative/secondary char).
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 13:16:41
Originally by: DubanFP
You speak the truth. This post is pathetic, almost as much as the people speaking (well trying to speak) with the infamous 1337 language. Using those "dictionnary" and trying to force people to use the same words and abbreviations to force a sense of community and make people feel part of the "elite", whereas in fact, in just shows that they blindly follow the rules like mindless zombies.
And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:22:52
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?
I don't know, why don't you use the word "ship" then, when you manufacture a spaceship ?
Or "modulate" when you're building, er... modules ?
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:23:00 -
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This type of post always makes me laugh....
Who cares if it is a guild or corp...polite correction and everything is good.
Grifer, PKer, ganker, PvPer all the same...so not important.
And yes your worse then a toon when you play this game...YOUR A PICTURE OF A TOON! In a pod...in a ship...
Get off your high horse....
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cyboman
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:25:00 -
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Where is the cleric guild and how do I level up?
I've trained all my skills to level 5 but still can't fly
a cruiser? (what's a skillbook?)
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:26:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:22:52
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?
I don't know, why don't you use the word "ship" then, when you manufacture a spaceship ?
Or "modulate" when you're building, er... modules ?
Because crafting means building, and shipping doesn't, perhaps ? 
PS : it was a trap, you fell in it.
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:32:00 -
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One that does get on my nerves when I hear it is people referring to "raids" or "instances" or crap like that in place of "complexes". "Dungeons" is also an applicable wrong terminology for the same, but I've not heard it used.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:22:52
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?
I don't know, why don't you use the word "ship" then, when you manufacture a spaceship ?
Or "modulate" when you're building, er... modules ?
Because crafting means building, and shipping doesn't, perhaps ?
PS : it was a trap, you fell in it.
Funnily enough, I just looked up "craft" on answers.com (as you do), and the definition of the verb is:
tr.v., craft+ed, craft+ing, crafts.
1. To make by hand.
So unless you made that Raven with your own two hands, you didn't craft it
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:35:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Patch86
The internet is fun. You can be a smart arse in any subject, at the press of a button
I loled because it's just sooo true
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Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:35:00 -
[47]
Some complexes are instanced tho
Oh and TRAIN TO ZONE!
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:38:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Gabba
Some complexes are instanced tho
Oh and TRAIN TO ZONE!
No they aren't, none are. Same with missions, they're in completely seperate X,Y,Z areas
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:40:00 -
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Funny, the wiki says it's only one of the meaning the word has...
to craft (third-person singular simple present crafts, present participle crafting, simple past crafted, past participle crafted)
1. To make by hand and with much skill.
2. To construct, develop something (like a skilled craftsman): "state crafting", "crafting global policing."
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Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:50:00 -
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Yes they are, im talking about the exploration sites, those are instanced, they spawn when you warp in, a timer starts running and will despawn eventually.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:53:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Funny, the wiki says it's only one of the meaning the word has...
Ah, dictionary > than Wiki, I'm afraid. for all I know, you just wrote that
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:53:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Gabba
Yes they are, im talking about the exploration sites, those are instanced, they spawn when you warp in, a timer starts running and will despawn eventually.
Actually whenever somebody warps into the location of an exploration complex they will always warp to the same complex. There will never be 2 or more instances of that complex "splitting people between them" in the same exact location.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:55:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Gabba
Yes they are, im talking about the exploration sites, those are instanced, they spawn when you warp in, a timer starts running and will despawn eventually.
Tahts not an instance. If it were an instance, I could warp to exactly the same spot, and you wouldn't be there. In EVE, even with exploration sites, if I warp to exactly the same spot, I'll find you there.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:56:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:58:32
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Because crafting means building, and shipping doesn't, perhaps ?
PS : it was a trap, you fell in it.
Actually, in "spacecraft" the "craft" part is a synonime to "ship".
Spacecraft means the same as spaceship, for most people anyway.
If you want to use with the other meaning of "spacecraft", then it means "to build something in space", and it's hardly relevant here.
"to craft", as a verb, indeed, means the same as "build" or "manufacture".
But when used as a substantive, it can mean "ship" or "vehicle"... or it can mean the skill/occupation of somebody has, as a builder/manufacturer.
I guess you fell in your own trap ?
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:00:50
Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 13:56:34
Feel free to check wikitionary, which is a dictionnary.
wikitionnary, craft
I don't have writing rights on it. Check the last modification if you want, it was one month ago. Thank you for attributing me the gift of foresight and the will to use it to win a E-peen hair-splitting argument one month later, however, it wasn't my doing. 
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"to craft", as a verb, indeed, means the same as "build" or "manufacture".
But when used as a substantive, it can mean "ship" or "vehicle"... or it can mean the skill/occupation of somebody has, as a builder/manufacturer.
Well since you didn't say that crafting is inappropriate for building ships... I don't care much whether it's a trap or not. Words have more than one meaning, and it's stupid to try prevent people to use perfectly legit words for something. That is all I wanted to say.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:58:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Patch86 on 13/06/2007 13:58:24
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Feel free to check wikitionary, which is a dictionnary.
Quote:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/craft
I don't have writing rights on it. Check the last modification if you want, it was one month ago. Thank you for attributing me the gift of foresight and the will to use it to win a E-peen hair-splitting argument one month later, however, it wasn't my doing.
You know I'm not actually seriously arguing with you about the definition of the word craft, right?
I'm not THAT much of a geek. Yet...
EDIT: Incidentally, you do have editing rights on that page. Everyone does. You don't even need to create an account. The wonderful, yet dodgy, heart and soul of a wiki.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:02:58
Oops sorry.
I do have them. I meant that I didn't use them.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Words have more than one meaning, and it's stupid to try prevent people to use perfectly legit words for something. That is all I wanted to say.
Well, sure, they could use the word "craft" when refering to the activity of manufacturing a ship/module and not be wrong.
However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.
And that was the whole point of the thread, wasn't it ?
To give people heads-up, avoid using terms that show you are not a "EVE-Onlineist" but rather a "EOnewb coming from some other MMOcraft".
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:13:00 -
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Don't see the issue with Mob... Its a contraction of Mobile OBject, a technical euphamism for NPCs. Dates back to EQ.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:19:00 -
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You broke the board 
The thing with Mob is that it isn't just what it stands for that makes it as popular as it is. It is a satisfying pun-- its a Mobile OBject, but it's also a pun on "mob", as in "gang". Same as Rat- a contraction of "piRATe", but also a pun on the word "rat" as in rodent (hence "I'm going out ratting", or "I'm going out to kill some rats", or "did you pick up the rat droppings?").
And Mob is a very suitable pun for groups of soldiers with swords, but not such a fun pun for spaceships.
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