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DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:08:00 - [1] Edited by: DubanFP on 12/06/2007 22:13:15 There's always a bunch of words and terms that come with newbies from certain "unnamed" MMOs. So in order to help newbies keep from getting eaten alive I'm creating the EVE un-Dictionary. A list of words/terms that will likely either get you flamed, or at least get a few people to grit their teeth a bit. Remember this thread is about the terminology and helping keep newbies from getting "Eaten alive" by experienced players. Not about flaming such game or such players. Guild- Probebly the most common and mildly annoying mistake. EVE has Corporations not guilds, and Corps come together to make Alliances. Very common and i've had to grit my teeth, smile, and kindly correct them at least a few times apon hearing this. Also we have CEOs not Guild Leaders. PK, PKing, PKer- PKing implies that the PKer is, or has done something wrong. It is importaint to remember that EVE was built from the ground up for PVP "you can even be attacked in high-sec and the best rewards are in 0.0". EVE players attack, steal, scam, pirate, and destroy but they DO NOT PK. Gold-Not the worst, but i'm sure more then a few people rolled their eyes at this. The currency in EVE is isk, although cash and money ARE acceptable. Sharding- Do not mention sharding the server, or AT LEAST don't mention a PVE friendly/PVP unfriendly shard. That's by far the worst thing you can do on this list. IT WILL BE MET BY FLAMES, and far more people will either annoyingly "or laughingly" ignore it then even bother replying. If you think this makes the veteran EVE players sound Xenophobic you're probebly right to some extent. But seriously unless you want to be eaten alive it would be a good idea to makie it a habbit to use the right terminology. Leave those other games at the door, this isn't like them. Feel free to add anything else you think should be added. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
PartyVaN Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:19:00 - [2] try the dictionary button on the left of your screen.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:19:00 - [3] Originally by: PartyVaN try the dictionary button on the left of your screen. Did you even bother reading the post? ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Hari Markkus	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:21:00 - [4] I'll let the leader of my guild know about this when she get back from the other shard where she is testing the new bombs to see if they will be any good for PKing. Ok, I'm off to do some quests to get gold.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 12/06/2007 22:22:42 Don't forget to add "Quest" to the list... I've heard a few ppl mention it Crap, Hari beat me Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:35:00 - [6] Griefing
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:37:00 - [7] Craft (Manufacture) Scavenge/Gather (salvaging/looting) Raid (ganksquad, gatecamp, complexing) Heal (remore repair/boost) Buff/Unbuff (gang effects, gang links, remote assist, EWar) /dance (wtf!) ...nope, nothing more I can think of. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:51:00 - [8] Definitely "craft", without a doubt. Other MMO staples that get right on my nerves are "toon" and "mob". "Toon" sounds like you're a 11 year old kid, while "mob" (a poor substitute for EVE's own "rat") just makes me think of mobs of troll or goblins or stuff, with sticks, rather than million tonne space ship fleets. --------
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Akita T Craft (Manufacture) Scavenge/Gather (salvaging/looting) Raid (ganksquad, gatecamp, complexing) Heal (remore repair/boost) Buff/Unbuff (gang effects, gang links, remote assist, EWar) /dance (wtf!) ...nope, nothing more I can think of. Raid and scavange aren't common enough to warrent inclusion. Heal is easily a slip, and it does portray fixing a ship decently enough. But craft and buff/debuff i'll add soon. Originally by: Patch86 Definitely "craft", without a doubt. Other MMO staples that get right on my nerves are "toon" and "mob". "Toon" sounds like you're a 11 year old kid, while "mob" (a poor substitute for EVE's own "rat") just makes me think of mobs of troll or goblins or stuff, with sticks, rather than million tonne space ship fleets. From what i've seen Toon is acceptable though not standard, and mob is iffy, but i'll add it just as a ratting is preferable. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Vana Gank Gallente Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:59:00 - [10] You forgot the spawn-campers at Jita 4-4. We need a frag for that place. -------------------------- Please adjust the map, please. Im not clever enough to figure out which way to fly.
Lt Angus Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:48:00 - [11] Toon Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
LancerSix Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:52:00 - [12] Level (Skillpoints, except is has NOTHING to do with how well you do anything)
Poister Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.13 00:22:00 - [13] ok I'll ad a few.... Kite - Snipe Zone - System Group - Gang Bank - Assets Twinked - Pimped Heal - Fix Raid - Fleet Spells - E-war Buffs - Gang-mods I might add some more if I remember I have posted this ....... but I'ts late ..... I've had too many beers ... and I realy should stop reading this parc!
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.13 00:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Poister ok I'll ad a few.... Kite - Snipe Zone - System Group - Gang Bank - Assets Twinked - Pimped Heal - Fix Raid - Fleet Spells - E-war Buffs - Gang-mods Kite i'll add on, but the rest I just odn't think are deserving for misc reasons "either they're too uncommon, or aren't THAT bad". Oh and i already added Buffs/Debuffs. Though Debuffs is the worse of the two since it doesn't do Ewar justice. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Hari Markkus I'll let the leader of my guild know about this when she get back from the other shard where she is testing the new bombs to see if they will be any good for PKing. Ok, I'm off to do some quests to get gold. B- good post but bad delivery and timing ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.13 03:51:00 - [16] This is the only MMO I've played and I use raid when I'm talking about a small gang that's going into anothers territory/losec with small fast ships to terrorize the locals...
Gojyu	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Gojyu on 13/06/2007 04:12:29 Quote: Kite, Kiting- Again not one of those really bad things, but it just doesn't apply to EVE. And shouldn't be applied to EVE. You might want to leave that bit out, as it's incorrect. Kiting is a perfectly applicable tactic used in eve. To the poster who suggested sniping is the same thing as kiting, you're also simply incorrect. Sniping is the act of firing on an enemy from a range greater than they can fire back (or alternatively simply firing on an enemy from a large distance away). Kiting is a tactic where you move in such a way as to prevent the enemy from gaining said range so that they can fire back. One is a type of attack, the other is a type of defense, and an extremely common type of defense in eve at that
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:21:00 - [18] Toon. Toon. Toon. Toon. TOON. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:37:00 - [19] I prefer credits myself, kredits could work too, isk sounds like something you've stepped in. Also Known As
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:41:00 - [20] another vote for leaving kite OFF the list of word which shall not be used. know any other terms for managing distance for defense, instead calling it sniping? sniping makes you think of battleships standing out at range with all guns aimed your way. kiting is dynamicly handling speed and direction to improve your defense/offense. fe: I can Kite battleships in my lil vexy and do just fine eating them down. I cant Snipe for anything.
Dimitri Chandler Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.13 05:28:00 - [21] Pet hates: "Dungeon" referring to complex "toon" referring to avatar "mobs" referring to groups of npc's "town" referring to solar system, although I have only heard this used once. "buff" referring to boost or un-nerf Fluffled -Suvetar "There is nothing as disconcerting as being bear-hugged by a giant Icelandic man in a kilt."
Mindblank Ricochet Inc Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2007.06.13 05:33:00 - [22] Good post by the OP. Though maybe it should be moved to "New Citizens' Q&A"-section of the forums.
Reycks Armunicus Gallente CoreTech Industries E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:16:00 - [23] All right, maybe I've got the meaning confused, but wouldn't "kiteing" be more EVE-ish, because we're actually flying things? --------------- mods are strangely fixated on content...
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:18:00 - [24] Edited by: Sokratesz on 13/06/2007 06:18:54 anyone calling their character a 'toon' needs to be shot on sight off-topic, i literally heard someone say: 'i thought it would be more like wow' after trying LOTRO. That kind of made my day back then
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:26:00 - [25] Never played WoW, Everquest and alike. So what the heck is sharding ? Anyway - informative post. I remember when a friend started played EVE and always talked about mobs in missions. Took me a while to figure out what the hell he's talking about. Btw. there seems to be another big hurdle for noobs - UI in languages other than English. An EVE-mail dialog from yesterday - translated: Noob: I am looking for a corp. Are you recruiting? Friend: Don't you think it'd ease communication if you just convo me? Noob: I don't have convo. Guess I have to look for a nicer corp then ...
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:27:00 - [26] If there is no gold in eve, why is there a gold item in the dropdown list on my wallet? Eve has gold. Just... nobody has it. :P - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Fester Addams on 13/06/2007 06:46:18 I agree with most of your points but not the one below. Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 PK, PKing, PKer- PKing implies that the PKer is, or has done something wrong. It is importaint to remember that EVE was built from the ground up for PVP "you can even be attacked in high-sec and the best rewards are in 0.0". EVE players attack, steal, scam, pirate, and destroy but they DO NOT PK. PK simply meens player killing, nothing else! The mistake here is usually that people do not know the origin of the terms PK and PvP. PvP originated in FPS's and describes player vs player conflict where both parties concent to the conflict. Examples of PvP in EvE: Duelling, 1 on 1, everything that happens in 0.0... PK on the other hand primarilly comes out of MUD's (multi user dungeon), MUD's were text based MMO's usually with very harch death penalties (a large xp loss in addition to ALL your worn gear). In thise games PK got its name from the action of hunting down and killing a player that is playing PvE, ie unconcentual combat. Example from eve: Piracy, high sec ganking... Thus in a nutshell: PvP: Consentual player combat. EDIT: hmm wrong here, PvP is not neccesarilly combat, PvP is concentual player conflict /EDIT PK: Non concentual player combat. You seem to have warped the PK term into griefing. ganking or abusing. Lastly I would like to point out that in EvE both PvP AND PK are legal actions, in reallity they are both important for the game, remove ither and the game looses some of its charm.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:01:00 - [28] Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 12:01:10 hmm wtf, forums usually catch Double Posts, sorry. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:01:00 - [29] Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 12:02:37 Originally by: Fester Addams I agree with most of your points but not the one below. Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 PK, PKing, PKer- PKing implies that the PKer is, or has done something wrong. It is importaint to remember that EVE was built from the ground up for PVP "you can even be attacked in high-sec and the best rewards are in 0.0". EVE players attack, steal, scam, pirate, and destroy but they DO NOT PK. PK simply meens player killing, nothing else! The mistake here is usually that people do not know the origin of the terms PK and PvP. PvP originated in FPS's and describes player vs player conflict where both parties concent to the conflict. Examples of PvP in EvE: Duelling, 1 on 1, everything that happens in 0.0... PK on the other hand primarilly comes out of MUD's (multi user dungeon), MUD's were text based MMO's usually with very harch death penalties (a large xp loss in addition to ALL your worn gear). In thise games PK got its name from the action of hunting down and killing a player that is playing PvE, ie unconcentual combat. Example from eve: Piracy, high sec ganking... Thus in a nutshell: PvP: Consentual player combat. EDIT: hmm wrong here, PvP is not neccesarilly combat, PvP is concentual player conflict /EDIT PK: Non concentual player combat. You seem to have warped the PK term into griefing. ganking or abusing. Lastly I would like to point out that in EvE both PvP AND PK are legal actions, in reallity they are both important for the game, remove ither and the game looses some of its charm. In EVE all PVP is consentual, you agree to at least the possibility of PVP whenever you log on. Therefore PKing as a term does not work in EVE, never has, never will. P.S. I also removed Kiting since it was more on the Xenophobic end then anything else. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:19:00 - [30] Toon Everytime I see someone use that 'word' I get the sudden urge to tear them a new one

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