Originally by: PartyVaN

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try the dictionary button on the left of your screen.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Craft (Manufacture)

Scavenge/Gather (salvaging/looting)

Raid (ganksquad, gatecamp, complexing)

Heal (remore repair/boost)

Buff/Unbuff (gang effects, gang links, remote assist, EWar)

/dance (wtf!)


...nope, nothing more I can think of.

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Originally by: Patch86

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Definitely "craft", without a doubt.

Other MMO staples that get right on my nerves are "toon" and "mob". "Toon" sounds like you're a 11 year old kid, while "mob" (a poor substitute for EVE's own "rat") just makes me think of mobs of troll or goblins or stuff, with sticks, rather than million tonne space ship fleets.

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Originally by: Poister

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ok I'll ad a few....

Kite - Snipe
Zone - System
Group - Gang
Bank - Assets
Twinked - Pimped
Heal - Fix
Raid - Fleet
Spells - E-war
Buffs - Gang-mods

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Originally by: Hari Markkus

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I'll let the leader of my guild know about this when she get back from the other shard where she is testing the new bombs to see if they will be any good for PKing.

Ok, I'm off to do some quests to get gold.

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Kite, Kiting- Again not one of those really bad things, but it just doesn't apply to EVE. And shouldn't be applied to EVE.

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007
PK, PKing, PKer- PKing implies that the PKer is, or has done something wrong. It is importaint to remember that EVE was built from the ground up for PVP "you can even be attacked in high-sec and the best rewards are in 0.0". EVE players attack, steal, scam, pirate, and destroy but they DO NOT PK.

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Originally by: Fester Addams

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I agree with most of your points but not the one below.

Originally by: DubanFP

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Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007
PK, PKing, PKer- PKing implies that the PKer is, or has done something wrong. It is importaint to remember that EVE was built from the ground up for PVP "you can even be attacked in high-sec and the best rewards are in 0.0". EVE players attack, steal, scam, pirate, and destroy but they DO NOT PK.

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PK simply meens player killing, nothing else!

The mistake here is usually that people do not know the origin of the terms PK and PvP.

PvP originated in FPS's and describes player vs player conflict where both parties concent to the conflict.

Examples of PvP in EvE:
Duelling, 1 on 1, everything that happens in 0.0...

PK on the other hand primarilly comes out of MUD's (multi user dungeon), MUD's were text based MMO's usually with very harch death penalties (a large xp loss in addition to ALL your worn gear).
In thise games PK got its name from the action of hunting down and killing a player that is playing PvE, ie unconcentual combat.

Example from eve:
Piracy, high sec ganking...

Thus in a nutshell:

PvP: Consentual player combat.
EDIT: hmm wrong here, PvP is not neccesarilly combat, PvP is concentual player conflict /EDIT
PK: Non concentual player combat.

You seem to have warped the PK term into griefing. ganking or abusing.

Lastly I would like to point out that in EvE both PvP AND PK are legal actions, in reallity they are both important for the game, remove ither and the game looses some of its charm.

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Originally by: Taz Devlin

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Toon

Everytime I see someone use that 'word' I get the sudden urge to tear them a new one

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Originally by: HoldMyFace

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And I'll admit to having said "mob" and "Guild" instead of "rat" and "corp" >.<

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Originally by: HoldMyFace

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For clarification, Kiting, or to KITe is "Killing" or to "Kill In Transit" refers to the art of moving to avoid damage whilst returning fire.

And I'll admit to having said "mob" and "Guild" instead of "rat" and "corp" >.<

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Originally by: Taz Devlin

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Toon

Everytime I see someone use that 'word' I get the sudden urge to tear them a new one

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I never thought that was so bad, but i guess it's common enough gripe to be worth adding, done.

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Originally by: Katu Na'Athr

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All in all I must say that insisting on a specific form of lingo for one particular MMORPG is, in my opinion just a form of snobism. Many people here play or have played several games before Eve, and terminology will get mixed up. Just the way it goes, isn't it?

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Originally by: Katu Na'Athr

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I have heard and used the verb "to Kite" pretty often... don't see that many problems with "mob" and "guild" either to be honest...

All in all I must say that insisting on a specific form of lingo for one particular MMORPG is, in my opinion just a form of snobism. Many people here play or have played several games before Eve, and terminology will get mixed up. Just the way it goes, isn't it?

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Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:22:52

Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?

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I don't know, why don't you use the word "ship" then, when you manufacture a spaceship ?
Or "modulate" when you're building, er... modules ?

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:22:52

Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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And by the way, what other word than craft are you supposed to use, when you make spacecraft ?

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I don't know, why don't you use the word "ship" then, when you manufacture a spaceship ?
Or "modulate" when you're building, er... modules ?

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Because crafting means building, and shipping doesn't, perhaps ?

PS : it was a trap, you fell in it.

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Originally by: Patch86

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The internet is fun. You can be a smart arse in any subject, at the press of a button

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Originally by: Gabba

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Some complexes are instanced tho
Oh and TRAIN TO ZONE!

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Funny, the wiki says it's only one of the meaning the word has...

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Originally by: Gabba

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Yes they are, im talking about the exploration sites, those are instanced, they spawn when you warp in, a timer starts running and will despawn eventually.

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Originally by: Gabba

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Yes they are, im talking about the exploration sites, those are instanced, they spawn when you warp in, a timer starts running and will despawn eventually.

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Because crafting means building, and shipping doesn't, perhaps ?
PS : it was a trap, you fell in it.

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"to craft", as a verb, indeed, means the same as "build" or "manufacture".
But when used as a substantive, it can mean "ship" or "vehicle"... or it can mean the skill/occupation of somebody has, as a builder/manufacturer.

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Feel free to check wikitionary, which is a dictionnary.

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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/craft

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I don't have writing rights on it. Check the last modification if you want, it was one month ago. Thank you for attributing me the gift of foresight and the will to use it to win a E-peen hair-splitting argument one month later, however, it wasn't my doing.

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Words have more than one meaning, and it's stupid to try prevent people to use perfectly legit words for something. That is all I wanted to say.

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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:45:35

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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.

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Yes, the sole point of this thread is somehow to acert the mental superiority of "eveOnliners" over players of fantasy MMORPG through use of specific words. Which makes me want to break this post apart, and show its foolishness.

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Originally by: Trak Cranker

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I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed, and worse, ripped off, if I hand my car over to the mechanic, asking him to fix my craft, because the rotators make it go starboard even if I hold them helm steady.

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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather

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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:45:35

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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.

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Yes, the sole point of this thread is somehow to acert the mental superiority of "eveOnliners" over players of fantasy MMORPG through use of specific words. Which makes me want to break this post apart, and show its foolishness.

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Originally by: Hamfast

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It seems to me that if the term "PKer" that in truth is a player that kills other players (normally when the other player is least able to defend themselves, using an unfair advantage) is all that bad that it should be stricken from the Eve Lexicon, then "Carebear" should also be deleted... it seems to be misused so often on these forums that its to a point that it should be replaced with ******** like other cuss words...

Where a Pirate that hunts Miners (weak and unable to fight back) or Haulers (weak and unable to fight back) is the epitome of a PKer (not a PvPer), a ******** is just one (like me) who chooses to avoid PvP combat if I can... I know that if I log in and leave a station that I will open myself up to PvP combat, I love the other parts of Eve and just not real interested in the PvP combat aspects.

But instead, a ******** is portrayed as this whining PITA that wants to ruin 3/4 of the game... and it really ****es me off.

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 15:53:29

Originally by: Hamfast

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It seems to me that if the term "PKer" that in truth is a player that kills other players (normally when the other player is least able to defend themselves, using an unfair advantage) is all that bad that it should be stricken from the Eve Lexicon, then "Carebear" should also be deleted... it seems to be misused so often on these forums that its to a point that it should be replaced with ******** like other cuss words...

Where a Pirate that hunts Miners (weak and unable to fight back) or Haulers (weak and unable to fight back) is the epitome of a PKer (not a PvPer), a ******** is just one (like me) who chooses to avoid PvP combat if I can... I know that if I log in and leave a station that I will open myself up to PvP combat, I love the other parts of Eve and just not real interested in the PvP combat aspects.

But instead, a ******** is portrayed as this whining PITA that wants to ruin 3/4 of the game... and it really ****es me off.

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Most people make a distinct seperation between the 2 definitions of carebear, BOTH are acceptable. Yes you may be a carebear in the non-fighter sense. But there's also the definition that means the person who thinks EVE should change to suit their needs and that's another definition of carebear. Both are correct. You said it yourself whenever you dock there's a chance that you may knowingly be subject to piracy, therefore it's not PKing in EVE. People do not PK in EVE, the word is meaningless here.

Now lets get off this tangent and back on track.

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Originally by: Wyehr

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Thank you for removing kite. As far as I know, there isn't an EVE-specific name for that tactic.

Also, the term mob for NPC entities in computer games goes back about 30 years. I personally don't get worked up about this one.

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Also i'm set on PK, it DOES NOT apply to EVE, simple as that. In EVE they're pirates, not PKers.

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Also i'm set on PK, it DOES NOT apply to EVE, simple as that. In EVE they're pirates, not PKers.

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'scuse me, I have been a PKer, but I have never been a pirate.

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?

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Originally by: Ulii

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Edited by: Ulii on 13/06/2007 14:56:43

it would be a disaster if this game community wasnt intellectually superior to most other MMO's, as it has a much higher average age of the players

if age<19
intellect=age
else
intellect=20

and because most other MMO's have an average age under 19... you get the picture

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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I thought there would be american isk farmers over on eve china to be honest

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Originally by: Gojyu

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Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:24:13
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:21:13

Originally by: Ulii

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Edited by: Ulii on 13/06/2007 14:56:43

it would be a disaster if this game community wasnt intellectually superior to most other MMO's, as it has a much higher average age of the players

if age<19
intellect=age
else
intellect=20

and because most other MMO's have an average age under 19... you get the picture

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Might want to check your facts there, IQ steadily declines from adulthood as age increases. Standard batteries compensate for this, so you end up with roughly the same score at the end of the day, but the effect is still there.

But yes, I agree with the recent postings. If you care that deeply when someone says "guild" instead of "corp" or "mob" instead of "rat", you should, and I mean this in the nicest way, look to get a life outside the game.

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