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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:27:00 -
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There are only 2 terms on that list that really **** me off:
PK - There is not non-consensual combat in eve, as soon as you leave station you are consenting to PvP IMO. As such, the term 'PK' has no place in eve.
[b]Crafting[/]b - In eve we do not craft, we manufacture. the word 'crafting' brings to mind such things as a dwarf hammering away at a chunk of mithril at a forge, not sending a blueprint and raw materials into a manufacturing facility then waiting for the finished product to pop out.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:45:35
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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.
Yes, the sole point of this thread is somehow to acert the mental superiority of "eveOnliners" over players of fantasy MMORPG through use of specific words. Which makes me want to break this post apart, and show its foolishness.
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Ulii
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:51:00 -
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it would be a disaster if this game community wasnt intellectually superior to most other MMO's, as it has a much higher average age of the players
and as long as age<19, age=intellect
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Trak Cranker
Feral Tendency
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:45:35
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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.
Yes, the sole point of this thread is somehow to acert the mental superiority of "eveOnliners" over players of fantasy MMORPG through use of specific words. Which makes me want to break this post apart, and show its foolishness.
Or it is, as the OP intended, a guideline for newer players, into the lingo of Eve, trying to shield them from ridicule that can easily be avoided.
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed, and worse, ripped off, if I hand my car over to the mechanic, asking him to fix my craft, because the rotators make it go starboard even if I hold them helm steady.
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Baalam
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:17:00 -
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I find it very amusing that people get so angry over the use of a word like ætoonÆ. It serves to convey its purpose. It might not be the popular word of choice within the MMO, it may even be incorrect but if you understand what was meant, as words go, IÆd say job done.
But to get angry over its use? How very Frenchàààà
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trak Cranker
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed, and worse, ripped off, if I hand my car over to the mechanic, asking him to fix my craft, because the rotators make it go starboard even if I hold them helm steady.
Best argument in this thread 
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 13/06/2007 14:45:35
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However, the word is deprecated even in day-to-day use, and because this is not a fantasy game, the term "to craft" used instead of "to build" is a sign you are coming from a fantasy-based MMO background.
Yes, the sole point of this thread is somehow to acert the mental superiority of "eveOnliners" over players of fantasy MMORPG through use of specific words. Which makes me want to break this post apart, and show its foolishness.
I think you are completely wrong. No one MMO, tabletop game or pen and paper RPG should set in stone the terminology for every subsequent game in the genre. In every game universe you have a right to establish it's vocabulary so as to separate it from other games.
The vocabulary established contributes to immersion in the world. Just as much as "gold", "mob", or "quest" do to a game like WoW. They fit that particular universe. Level of "intelligence" has nothing to do with it. I have seen enough idiotic behavior in EVE to not assume that EVE = genius.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:48:00 -
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It seems to me that if the term "PKer" that in truth is a player that kills other players (normally when the other player is least able to defend themselves, using an unfair advantage) is all that bad that it should be stricken from the Eve Lexicon, then "Carebear" should also be deleted... it seems to be misused so often on these forums that its to a point that it should be replaced with ******** like other cuss words...
Where a Pirate that hunts Miners (weak and unable to fight back) or Haulers (weak and unable to fight back) is the epitome of a PKer (not a PvPer), a ******** is just one (like me) who chooses to avoid PvP combat if I can... I know that if I log in and leave a station that I will open myself up to PvP combat, I love the other parts of Eve and just not real interested in the PvP combat aspects.
But instead, a ******** is portrayed as this whining PITA that wants to ruin 3/4 of the game... and it really ****es me off.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 15:53:01
Originally by: Hamfast
It seems to me that if the term "PKer" that in truth is a player that kills other players (normally when the other player is least able to defend themselves, using an unfair advantage) is all that bad that it should be stricken from the Eve Lexicon, then "Carebear" should also be deleted... it seems to be misused so often on these forums that its to a point that it should be replaced with ******** like other cuss words...
Where a Pirate that hunts Miners (weak and unable to fight back) or Haulers (weak and unable to fight back) is the epitome of a PKer (not a PvPer), a ******** is just one (like me) who chooses to avoid PvP combat if I can... I know that if I log in and leave a station that I will open myself up to PvP combat, I love the other parts of Eve and just not real interested in the PvP combat aspects.
But instead, a ******** is portrayed as this whining PITA that wants to ruin 3/4 of the game... and it really ****es me off.
Most people make a distinct seperation between the 2 definitions of carebear, BOTH are acceptable. Yes you may be a carebear in the non-fighter sense. But there's also the definition that means the person who thinks EVE should change to suit their needs and that's another definition of carebear. Both are correct. You said it yourself whenever you dock there's a chance that you may knowingly be subject to piracy, therefore it's not PKing in EVE. People do not PK in EVE, the word is meaningless here.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/06/2007 15:53:29
Originally by: Hamfast
It seems to me that if the term "PKer" that in truth is a player that kills other players (normally when the other player is least able to defend themselves, using an unfair advantage) is all that bad that it should be stricken from the Eve Lexicon, then "Carebear" should also be deleted... it seems to be misused so often on these forums that its to a point that it should be replaced with ******** like other cuss words...
Where a Pirate that hunts Miners (weak and unable to fight back) or Haulers (weak and unable to fight back) is the epitome of a PKer (not a PvPer), a ******** is just one (like me) who chooses to avoid PvP combat if I can... I know that if I log in and leave a station that I will open myself up to PvP combat, I love the other parts of Eve and just not real interested in the PvP combat aspects.
But instead, a ******** is portrayed as this whining PITA that wants to ruin 3/4 of the game... and it really ****es me off.
Most people make a distinct seperation between the 2 definitions of carebear, BOTH are acceptable. Yes you may be a carebear in the non-fighter sense. But there's also the definition that means the person who thinks EVE should change to suit their needs and that's another definition of carebear. Both are correct. You said it yourself whenever you dock there's a chance that you may knowingly be subject to piracy, therefore it's not PKing in EVE. People do not PK in EVE, the word is meaningless here.
Now lets get off this tangent and back on track.
Thank you for making my point, PKing is a viable term in Eve because it has nothing to do with consent, but the killing of other players... Normally when the victim is unable to defend themselves. Non-Consentual PvP on the other hand, has no place (as we all consent by logging on and leaving the station).
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.14 01:34:00 -
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Thank you for removing kite. As far as I know, there isn't an EVE-specific name for that tactic.
Also, the term mob for NPC entities in computer games goes back about 30 years. I personally don't get worked up about this one.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.14 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 14/06/2007 13:48:12
Originally by: Wyehr
Thank you for removing kite. As far as I know, there isn't an EVE-specific name for that tactic.
Also, the term mob for NPC entities in computer games goes back about 30 years. I personally don't get worked up about this one.
yeah that one's iffy, and i don't really want to add iffy stuff since i dont' want to make it too long. Also i'm set on PK, it DOES NOT apply to EVE, simple as that. In EVE they're pirates, not PKers.
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.06.14 13:57:00 -
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Remember to add an entry for Goonswarm. The lowest life form known to eve, known NAMBLA supporters.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Also i'm set on PK, it DOES NOT apply to EVE, simple as that. In EVE they're pirates, not PKers.
'scuse me, I have been a PKer, but I have never been a pirate.
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.14 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 14/06/2007 14:50:17
These are simple, fairly standardized terms. There is jack that makes a "rat" a "rat" and not a "MOB". You can chose to rename the mob a "rat", but it doesn't change its.... well.. mob-ness :P People who call it a mob are right, it is a mob. It just happens to also be a rat.
If you kill a player who does not desire to fight, you're a player killer. If you trick miners into stealing from your can so you can shoot them w/o recourse, guess what, you're a noto-pk. Of course we can rename these pirate and ore thieves, but it really doesn't matter.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.08 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 08/07/2007 13:54:07
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: DubanFP
Also i'm set on PK, it DOES NOT apply to EVE, simple as that. In EVE they're pirates, not PKers.
'scuse me, I have been a PKer, but I have never been a pirate.
PKer implies griefing. PVP without piracy is PVPing, or being a PVPer. But you haven't been a PKer.
P.S. Ok maybe a little necro, but i've been trying to find this thread for the last 3 weeks.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?
Toon refers to characters, not just alts, and using it is very very flameworthy.
Any mention of 'PK' is also exceptionally flameworthy.
This thread should be stickied in New Citizens.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:14:00 -
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Good job!
GOD FORBID that EVE have ANY common ground in terminology with other MMO's.
Ugh.
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:24:13
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:21:13
Originally by: Ulii
Edited by: Ulii on 13/06/2007 14:56:43
it would be a disaster if this game community wasnt intellectually superior to most other MMO's, as it has a much higher average age of the players
if age<19
intellect=age
else
intellect=20
and because most other MMO's have an average age under 19... you get the picture
Might want to check your facts there, IQ steadily declines from adulthood as age increases. Standard batteries compensate for this, so you end up with roughly the same score at the end of the day, but the effect is still there.
But yes, I agree with the recent postings. If you care that deeply when someone says "guild" instead of "corp" or "mob" instead of "rat", you should, and I mean this in the nicest way, look to get a life outside the game.
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Toon- One of the more annoying things on this list, but still below flameworthy. In EVE we use the term alt, is it that hard to remember 3 letters?
you can actually end up getting podded for calling somebody an alt.
Correct phrase is avatar or character.
Another slang one is main, with alt being the term for 2nd to n-th account a person has.
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
I thought there would be american isk farmers over on eve china to be honest
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:24:13
Edited by: Gojyu on 08/07/2007 14:21:13
Originally by: Ulii
Edited by: Ulii on 13/06/2007 14:56:43
it would be a disaster if this game community wasnt intellectually superior to most other MMO's, as it has a much higher average age of the players
if age<19
intellect=age
else
intellect=20
and because most other MMO's have an average age under 19... you get the picture
Might want to check your facts there, IQ steadily declines from adulthood as age increases. Standard batteries compensate for this, so you end up with roughly the same score at the end of the day, but the effect is still there.
But yes, I agree with the recent postings. If you care that deeply when someone says "guild" instead of "corp" or "mob" instead of "rat", you should, and I mean this in the nicest way, look to get a life outside the game.
Not to mention that IQ is a terrible measurement of maturity and taste.
Lateral thinking does not help conceal that atrocious lime-green sofa, sir. Or your velvet pinstripe shirt. No, neither does your 3D spatial sense.
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