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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:58:00 -
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With the deployment of Revelations 2 looming on the horizon, the changes to the Sovereignty system have been locked in place and fine adjustments are being made. The big questions, what, how and why are answered in the new blog by Le Mousse, Building up your realm, one sovereignty at a time. Enjoy!
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:12:00 -
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now the great question comes:
can the servers hold it?
oh and first on a kieron thread??!11oneone -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:16:00 -
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Nice read, I like the pictures :D --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
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Maze La'Zie
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:29:00 -
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Green should win!!!!!
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:31:00 -
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well if you can lock down a constellation you should deserve to have some protection. although if you can lock down a constellation i would assume you are good enough that you can protect the most important parts. then again i suppose one cyno recon is currently enough to mess things up.
makes me want to go 0.0 more and more everyday
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:48:00 -
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What are Scanner Array? --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Deren Thaldrel
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:49:00 -
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A quick question, since its not clear in the devblog.
Is it one capital per ALLIANCE Or can there be a capital in every constellation that meets the conditions?
Thanks,
Deren
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex What are Scanner Array?
It uses a scanning system (like probes) to detect ships in the system...not sure how good/bad it will be though.
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton then again i suppose one cyno recon is currently enough to mess things up.
Certain levels of sovereignty will allow the defending alliance to place something called a cyno-jammer to prevent cyno fields from being deployed. It will be interesting to see how BoB and MC use this to their advantage/have it used against them. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation! Can I lock sigs for tom-follery? - Ductoris |
Marrano Cardosa
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Maze La'Zie Green should win!!!!!
Yes, but mostly because it looks to me like pink chose the wrong systems to claim. They should have done 1, 2, 6, 7. That way they would have to worry about unclaimed or hostile claimed systems breaking their lines. Of course, this is true only if all the systems are otherwise equal.
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:00:00 -
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Sounds interesting, but isn't this going to increase the amount of or the importance of POS spamming? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way round? --
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:02:00 -
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Very informative blog, and the diagrams were nifty :)
Blog rating: 9/10
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Sounds interesting, but isn't this going to increase the amount of or the importance of POS spamming? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way round?
If I remember correctly, they're significantly changing the way claiming sovereignty via POSs is done to reduce the degree of POS spam in 0.0 wars. As for what that actually is, though... <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation! Can I lock sigs for tom-follery? - Ductoris |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:09:00 -
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Interesting ideas .. but sadly it won't work as expected.
Why? Well, you cannot invade, that's why. It sounds all nifty and good: conquer the systems and constest sov. But how do you do that if you cannot move in your capital ships due to the cyno jammer and the enemy has them available readily in the system?
If he has no capitals there and if the cyno jammer is active all the time, then he still can get capital ships just by building them at pos/outpost.
So there is a HUGE imbalance and I think that this will lead to a very static game, at least territorial-wise.
But the ideas behind it, they sound nice
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B Glorious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:14:00 -
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So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless. |
Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: B Glorious So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless.
I believe only the Capital OUTPOST is invulnerable. not "everything in the system"
But i could be wrong...
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:28:00 -
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Ok, LeMousse here's one rant for you. I'm coming back from work, wanted to slow my heat, acting a little like a no brainer (well, it's somehow cool sometimes you know)
Now I read you I have no headache but I guess, well, I guess I shouldn't have read this :)
...must...drink...beer...and...say...gah... ...must...drink...beer...and...say...gah... ...must...drink...beer...and...say...gah...
*pscht*
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Originally by: DB Preacher (...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
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Kvarium Ki
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:36:00 -
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It seems like invading a constellation is going to be a massive isk investment. Not something for the little guys.
KK.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 13/06/2007 17:36:57
Originally by: Miranda Duvall
Originally by: B Glorious So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless.
I believe only the Capital OUTPOST is invulnerable. not "everything in the system"
But i could be wrong...
Sovereignty 4: * Starbase control towers, conquerable stations and outposts belonging to the sovereign alliance may not be attacked ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Just Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:49:00 -
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The idea is you send wave on wave of smaller ships to kill the cyno jamer to allow dreads to jump in after them (they only have like 30k of hp) this gives the smaller ships a role e.g to mass die to allow the larger ships to jump in to the defenders have time to turn on the 2nd cyno jamer
The next problem is your need enough dreads to kill 9-10 large guns before they can break the tank on a single dread (as all the guns will shot the same ship now and dreads in seige can't be remote armor or shield fixed) if you don't have enough dreads to gank every gun at once. then pos combat is going to be highly annoying for you cus 1 large pos is cheaper than 1 dread( so if you spam enough and the other side does not have the firepower you win as you only need 1-5 alts which can control all the guns to be online all the time)
Then even after you put the pos in to reinfored mode this does not mean it will not come out at a daft time like 4 am or some other time (which screws small alliances even more cus they can't cover all time zones)
and the defender can jump captails in to the system by using the pos cyno maker (would be my guess so the cyno jamer would not effect him much)
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ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:50:00 -
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The one that make those flash animations should get a free beer :) .. even I can understand it :)
ill send some beer to iceland.
BTW .. if the foam is gona when it gets there use a sodastream
I aint playing eve that much .. i just spend very little time on anything else :) |
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 13/06/2007 17:36:57
Originally by: Miranda Duvall
Originally by: B Glorious So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless.
I believe only the Capital OUTPOST is invulnerable. not "everything in the system"
But i could be wrong...
Sovereignty 4: * Starbase control towers, conquerable stations and outposts belonging to the sovereign alliance may not be attacked
Basically the Constellation capital is where all your delicate/sensitive structures go.
This wasn't clear to me in the blog; is it possible for an invading alliance to contest sovereignty in the capital system by deploying starbases in the capital system?
Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting) |
Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Miranda Duvall on 13/06/2007 17:51:44
Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 13/06/2007 17:36:57
Originally by: Miranda Duvall
Originally by: B Glorious So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless.
I believe only the Capital OUTPOST is invulnerable. not "everything in the system"
But i could be wrong...
Sovereignty 4: * Starbase control towers, conquerable stations and outposts belonging to the sovereign alliance may not be attacked
I stand corrected. I guess then the only way is to remove sov or conquer outposts in systems other than the capital, to drop sov in the capital system back to lvl3, making the outpost vulnerable again...
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 13/06/2007 17:36:57
Originally by: Miranda Duvall
Originally by: B Glorious So, question for you:
If the capital system is invulnerable while constellational sovereignty is active, doesn't this highlight the importance of balancing supercapitals sufficiently? If it becomes even harder to destroy them before they are completed, that removes yet another contingency for repelling titans and motherships.
Not really a question for LeMousse's department, I suppose, but it is vitally important nonetheless.
I believe only the Capital OUTPOST is invulnerable. not "everything in the system"
But i could be wrong...
Sovereignty 4: * Starbase control towers, conquerable stations and outposts belonging to the sovereign alliance may not be attacked
I stand corrected. I guess then the only way is to remove sov or conquer outposts in systems other than the capital, to drop sov in the capital system back to lvl3, making the outpost vulnerable again...
(post above was borked, couldnt edit, thread didnt exist appearantly)
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:55:00 -
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Frelling forum software, the EDIT of my previous post DID come through, so now it looks like I double posted....
Carry on folks..
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:03:00 -
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So instead of pos spamming a single system, people get to pos spam entire constellations? Brilliant! -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:17:00 -
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I just wanna have a bigger gas tank on the towers!!!
Very cool stuff. Ace job on the graphs. Even my four year old understood them. Well... sorta. He does seem to think that green should win tho! -
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Tar Ecthelion
Kryomek Industries The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:18:00 -
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My head hurts after reading that, but the animations were nice. Be nice to see how this all unfolds, but I expect alliances to become more static, harder to break down, and claim less space, all bunch up in one or two constellations to get sovereignty. .....
"When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" Winston Churchill
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Haizum
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Why? Well, you cannot invade, that's why. It sounds all nifty and good: conquer the systems and constest sov. But how do you do that if you cannot move in your capital ships due to the cyno jammer and the enemy has them available readily in the system?
If he has no capitals there and if the cyno jammer is active all the time, then he still can get capital ships just by building them at pos/outpost.
As I understand it with moving various things outside a starbase's shield, as will the cyno generator be outside a shield, allowing a smaller, specialised strike force (bombs anyone? ) to get in, down the generator, and get out.
Also mentioned was this will let the defenders turn the next one on, perhaps only allowing one cyno jammer anchored per system? Either that or one active, and a long enough onlining delay to allow jump-ins (but perhaps not jump-outs? )
About Dreads succumbing to focused fire, maybe a good alteration would be to allow only logistics ships to repair Dreads in siege mode? They would be targeted straight away by the POS gun users, but maybe the locking time/smaller sig radius would allow one or two cycles before warping out? I'm not a capital pilot so I don't know how viable that would be in terms of damage dealt vs repair, would along with the logistics boost give them an important part to play. Either way it belongs in another thread, as for Sov I look forward to later blogs and the introduction of the new system.
Overall I think this may result in the importance in POS-spamming even more, however in terms of how people go about defending and attacking it will lead to a more tactical edge, allow for more specialised roles, and generally a lot more structured and realistic to what sovereignty should mean.
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Frabala
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:26:00 -
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So you looked at the sovereignty system and you saw all are well and decided to make i more complicate? At least will we get some sort of in-game tools for finding out when levels change etc?
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ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:32:00 -
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I wonder tho,
This apparently means that you can save on fuel cost for the starbases in the capital system right? .. as you do not need any guns there. And as soon as your constellation gets contested you have more then enough time to online a few guns.
I can imagine this being a good option to build all your capital ships in the Capital .. This being said means that if you find out there is an Alliance building a Titan (or any other good Mothership) it takes WAY more then a mere OMGWTFBBQPWN fleet to whipe out the Capital Shipyard building it.
I aint playing eve that much .. i just spend very little time on anything else :) |
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