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Psyco Groupie
Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:52:00 -
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This is the funniest thing ive read. Short and sweet...congrats to Miz. [img]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z243/PsycoGroupie/correctsig.jpg[/img |

Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well?
Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.
Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?
Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again.
Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 15/06/2007 10:39:25
Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53
Originally by: Dionisius
And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation.
...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool.
'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game'
think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho)
I confuse nothing, and don't use that argument for your benefit, you knew how ginger would react and still you provoked him.
So RL threats are ok if provoked with a smartbomb and a good isk scam ?
Here is a block of role eyes for you...
     
     
     
     
     
     
A good objective for you, learn how to read. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:59:00 -
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Now, THAT'S a pirate story!!!
Wasn't there a discussion that Miz is a hidden GM? It's a bit strange that Ginger is perma banned that fast without a real case proof by CCP.
I will not protect the most famous log-, eject- and self-destruct-PvPer in EVE but from an objective pov the end of that great story is a bit strange.
So say we all!
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:00:00 -
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GINGER IS INOCENT! TRUE STORRY!
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.
I think most people know this alt is you ginger :), though I really have a dislike for you I would send the GMs a petetion as in the past few months i've known about 3 people having perma bans when they we're only meant to be temp bans.
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Eryn
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:18:00 -
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Two things,
1) I have received dozens of real life threats after popping carebears, not bothered petitioning any of them because as we all know they are just overreactions said in the heat of the moment when someone looses something it took them a long time to work for. Its just bravado, the ones more likely to actually do such a thing are highly unlikely to tell you in game anyway, you would find out when they turn up on your doorstep.
2) Surely banning people when they make a real life threat in game is only going to escalate the problem, i.e. he lost a lot of ISK and a pod in game, that is bad enough, now you have banned him from a game he has been playing solid for 4 years. Its rubbing salt in the wound. If they were seriously considering it when they said it in game (which I doubt GM was) then they are a hell of a lot more likely to carry out the threat now. |

Corn Meal
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Khul Drukath
Anyone, my question is - with the forced disconnect and Ginger having aggressed outside the station, was his moros taken out? I assume that even a forced disconnect leaves your ship in space for 15mins?
He was forced to dock by klepto cap ships   
The only bit i missed of the fight was him docking after i set my fighters on him and then 10secs later he logged off (Banned) He couldnt even kill my absolution with all his sentry drones on me and his turrets webbed scrambled pointed... lolz i shot about 10mills worth of his drones
i got some good footage of us smashing his ship look To the future for a klepto video of this :) its in the making |

Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:27:00 -
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Wow, just wow.
Ginger actually trusted Miz, lol. I always wondered why Miz stuck around in that corp when it was known what the ISK all was going to, and the fact he knew miz kept scamming people with Nyx sales, and thought Miz would actually sell to HIM? 
Not to dig at Miz, but the guy isn't giving up his 0 risk lowsec gravy train. Maybe he will if he actually gets a titan, but the piracy carebearism of gatecamping in a titan with smartbombs is above and beyond explanation. Atleast with the Ms, you can always pop out those two dozen fighters and wtfpwn a small fleet solo.
Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.
I disagree to one point. A MMORPG like EVE is NOT a game anymore when you spend max. of your rl time for it. From that fact CCP also have to understand that +beeing addicted˝ to a game like that is affecting the person behind a character like Ginger in a special way. Also emotional.
We have to discuss the dark side of that kind of games very serious. The most people in EVE who are ruling bigger stuff or are very sucessful need to be in that game as much as possible. At a special border it's not a hobby anymore. It's some kind of addiction to it.
I am for myself can't just log when I lost 200 Million due a kill and go back to normal reallife. All those ISK had need rl time to earn them. So it takes a while to calm down and accept: just a game. Hard sometimes.
But someone behind Ginger who lives in that game for a long time now can't really see it as a pure game anymore. That's probably the reason for his extreme emotional behaviour which forces CCP of course to ban them due EULA.
But if CCP also understand the fact that MMORPG's can force a special kind of addiction and that it's not really normal at the end that people spend 12 hours or more a day rl time for EVE ... CCP must rethink their rules. It's not that simple to say: it's just a game.
Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
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Corn Meal
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Perma ban? That is idiotic.
Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat.
I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him.
I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation.
It went higher then tht it Was the LEAD GM that banned him and this isnt the first offence its the second.
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Corn Meal
Originally by: Gnulpie Perma ban? That is idiotic.
Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat.
I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him.
I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation.
It went higher then tht it Was the LEAD GM that banned him and this isnt the first offence its the second.
The question which also interests me: is MIZ probably a GM or not. That was discussed a while ago in another thread. +++ JOIN PAP +++ |

Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:33:00 -
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I just realized, how is this thread not snipped for discussing GM actions?
And no I don't mean Ginger Magician actions.
Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:33:00 -
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I guess this makes Crom'ar Lev the "One And Only Numero Uno Pvper in Eve" now then. 
I'm not a fan of scamming, but god damn Miz... nice job. 
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Devian 666
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eryn Two things,
1) I have received dozens of real life threats after popping carebears, not bothered petitioning any of them because as we all know they are just overreactions said in the heat of the moment when someone looses something it took them a long time to work for. Its just bravado, the ones more likely to actually do such a thing are highly unlikely to tell you in game anyway, you would find out when they turn up on your doorstep.
2) Surely banning people when they make a real life threat in game is only going to escalate the problem, i.e. he lost a lot of ISK and a pod in game, that is bad enough, now you have banned him from a game he has been playing solid for 4 years. Its rubbing salt in the wound. If they were seriously considering it when they said it in game (which I doubt GM was) then they are a hell of a lot more likely to carry out the threat now.
Imagine what eve would be like if we petitioned all the carebear threats after killing their ships....
Hmmm, on one side revenue would go down but on the flip side it would actually be quite cool having less crazy people ranting at you because they lost 1m in rat loot. I heard that Coalition Of Carebear Killers lost 3 cap ships to carebears |

Cpt Branko
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?
Are you aware of the humongous can of worms you're opening here? As long as you're doing something within the confines of the legal and allowed, you cannot and should not be punished for provoking someone to an illegal act by it.
Else we're just making thugs of every kind practically invincible, since your *whatever* was provoking them, and you bloody well knew that.
I'm guessing you're Ginger's alt.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:48:00 -
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quite the fitting end to ginger. losing 8.5b + his character with all his assets.
He rocked the boat long enough. -------------------------------------------------------- Blood Corsairs Recruitment |

Corn Meal
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers.
:D
Dude thease the last ginger corpase it gota be worth afew bllion isk
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij Lucky for me then that scamming is allowed in Eve.
You canot hold a player responsible for the overeactions of another. Down that path lies WOW. No-one would do anything to agravate another player (even pvp) for fear of the other player going balistic and mass bannings resulting.
Now bears, if you will excuse me im going for a pleasant day out, when i return i shall be camping with my new corp and sending my alt off to Jita to spend Gingers ISK on something totally useless, but pretty to look at. Ideas on the back of a postcard please.
Hugs and Kisses - Miz, the betrayor.
TTFN bears 
Buy me a Thanatos?
PIAET
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Faekurias
Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision.
Well done CCP
Yeah that was way outta line, totally agree. Just strange he wasnt banned earlier :P
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Celestal on 15/06/2007 12:02:31 lets face it
this could not have happened to a nicer person .... or corp
gotta laugh at drama queens
miz would be nearly as much of a loss to eve as ginge
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 12:03:02
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.
    
 noob
    
you douchebag, looool. u just dont get that everyone knows it frackin dumb id say.
and YES I FLAME
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i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep *devil's grin*
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Voodoo'sMother
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 -
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Ginger should give up and play another game. My view on this is that if he really did make a RL threat he should be banned premanately along with all his ALTs, including Crom - who should stop pretending to be someone other than ginger. He has already been banned and unbanned and obviously knows how to manipulate CCP. Why should anyone get away with this just because he was high on the "ego-meter". Scamming is not something that I agree with nor is RL threats but I think this is funny that such a smacktalking greeedy CEO got what he deserved so well done Miz-buy something nice. In short, CCP don't be silly and unban a sly manipulative child who has acted stupidly for a long time. Ban his ALT's and be done with him. Im pretty sure im not the only one who wants to see him punished in the same way others would be who are not epeen warriors. |

DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well?
Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.
Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?
Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again.
Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another.
I find your post incredible tbh. You're seriously saying that RL threats should be allowed in eve if the person was provoked by something in a computer game? Can you imagine the legal implications this could have on ccp? my opinion aside here for a moment but no game support team can be seen to be allowing RL threats in their game or they would suffer legal reprocussions.
And in other case imo i think that's just plain dumb. If someone is so easily angered to do something like that from a game then i think he needs to take a long hard look at his life.
DE
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:14:00 -
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Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 12:16:57
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.

ginger, ive been flying and chatting with you long enough to know that this is you... a wall of text, stupid examples,self promotion ( "legend" "killed you XXXX times" )no sense....
still nice try, and if you havent got it yet:
EVERYONE FREAKIN KNOWS THAT:
Crom'ar Lev = Ginger Magician
one more of that sort of post and i go cry 
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i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep *devil's grin*
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 12:21:24 Hah! Pwned As for Ginger Magician being legendary? Not even close. He may have been famous on the forum for his self-proclaimed greatness, but thats as close as it gets.
I have never myself been killed by Ginger or anyone from October snow (atleast not to my recollection), and I'm happy he's gone, cause he contributed absolutely nothing to the forum whatsoever.
Ginger Magician will be forgotten, or at best, remembered with a laugh on how big a no-brain dingbat he was.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:21:00 -
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Let's see the local chat logs then... 
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zwerg
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Let's see the local chat logs then... 
interested in them aswell ( paying with cake )
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i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep *devil's grin*
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