Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well?

Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Edited by: Dionisius on 15/06/2007 10:39:25

Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53

Originally by: Dionisius

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And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation.

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...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool.

'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game'

think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho)

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I confuse nothing, and don't use that argument for your benefit, you knew how ginger would react and still you provoked him.

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So RL threats are ok if provoked with a smartbomb and a good isk scam ?

Here is a block of role eyes for you...

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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev

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Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19
I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation.
Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.

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Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: Khul Drukath

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Anyone, my question is - with the forced disconnect and Ginger having aggressed outside the station, was his moros taken out? I assume that even a forced disconnect leaves your ship in space for 15mins?

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He was forced to dock by klepto cap ships

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev

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Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19
I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation.
Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.

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I disagree to one point. A MMORPG like EVE is NOT a game anymore when you spend max. of your rl time for it.
From that fact CCP also have to understand that +beeing addicted½ to a game like that is affecting the person behind a character like Ginger in a special way. Also emotional.

We have to discuss the dark side of that kind of games very serious. The most people in EVE who are ruling bigger stuff or are very sucessful need to be in that game as much as possible. At a special border it's not a hobby anymore. It's some kind of addiction to it.

I am for myself can't just log when I lost 200 Million due a kill and go back to normal reallife. All those ISK had need rl time to earn them. So it takes a while to calm down and accept: just a game. Hard sometimes.

But someone behind Ginger who lives in that game for a long time now can't really see it as a pure game anymore.
That's probably the reason for his extreme emotional behaviour which forces CCP of course to ban them due EULA.

But if CCP also understand the fact that MMORPG's can force a special kind of addiction and that it's not really normal at the end that people spend 12 hours or more a day rl time for EVE ... CCP must rethink their rules. It's not that simple to say: it's just a game.

Pres G
+++ JOIN PAP +++

Originally by: Gnulpie

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Perma ban? That is idiotic.

Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat.

I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him.

I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation.

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Originally by: Corn Meal

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Perma ban? That is idiotic.

Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat.

I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him.

I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation.

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It went higher then tht it Was the LEAD GM that banned him and this isnt the first offence its the second.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Eryn

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Two things,

1) I have received dozens of real life threats after popping carebears, not bothered petitioning any of them because as we all know they are just overreactions said in the heat of the moment when someone looses something it took them a long time to work for. Its just bravado, the ones more likely to actually do such a thing are highly unlikely to tell you in game anyway, you would find out when they turn up on your doorstep.

2) Surely banning people when they make a real life threat in game is only going to escalate the problem, i.e. he lost a lot of ISK and a pod in game, that is bad enough, now you have banned him from a game he has been playing solid for 4 years. Its rubbing salt in the wound. If they were seriously considering it when they said it in game (which I doubt GM was) then they are a hell of a lot more likely to carry out the threat now.

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers.

:D

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Originally by: Miz Cenuij

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Lucky for me then that scamming is allowed in Eve.

You canot hold a player responsible for the overeactions of another.
Down that path lies WOW.
No-one would do anything to agravate another player (even pvp) for fear of the other player going balistic and mass bannings resulting.

Now bears, if you will excuse me im going for a pleasant day out, when i return i shall be camping with my new corp and sending my alt off to Jita to spend Gingers ISK on something totally useless, but pretty to look at. Ideas on the back of a postcard please.


Hugs and Kisses - Miz, the betrayor.


TTFN bears

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Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword

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Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision.

Well done CCP

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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev

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Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19
I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation.
Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Originally by: Traxio Nacho

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Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well?

Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.

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Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation?

Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again.

Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another.

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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev

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Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else.
Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger.
His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.

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Originally by: Gypsio III

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Let's see the local chat logs then...

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