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Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 189	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:00:00 - [1] - Quote When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. It was Isk, it was hard to come by. Now the cost of things hasn't changed much as thats defined by the industrial process, the amount you can earn has gone throught the roof though, everyone is a billionare Not sure whether it's inflation or deflation as my grasp of economics isn't great , but whatever it is it isn't good. Take my position for example. When I left the account I'd just got into cruisers, I had a little stashed to buy a BC because an old guildy was good enough to give me a hand up. The idea of being able to afford and rig a battleship was maybe a month of grind away, not that I minded it gave me a goal and a sense of achievment when I completed the steps along my career path. Upon return I do a little research, set up a little high sec PI, don't even need to log in but once a day and Bam 7 days later pretty much enough for a BS hull. Sitting on my booty, 0 Risk, free BS , And high sec PI earnings are terribad they tell me What the hell has happened to EVE /edit this was gonna be a slight off topic in another thread but the forum ganked me ate my post and I thought it deserved it's own thread so as not to totally derail someone elses disscusion. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Luh Windan S T R A T C O M 48	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:09:00 - [2] - Quote there are two ways of looking at this: 1) the sky is falling - everyone has access to all the shiny that should be the preserve of the privileged few who can spend 10 hours a day working for it. When you get things they are so valuable you play in a very risk averse way. 2) Hey that's cool - everyone gets to play with all the shiny things. they don't need to treat them like they are made of glass when they do get them (I don't think twice about going into a fight I may well loose in my hurricane, I am still pretty careful when it's my loki as yet) and everyone does more things and has more fun I prefer (2) so a change for the better in my book but then I hate grinding isk and prefer running round with my corp mates doing things
oldbutfeelingyoung VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants 277	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:10:00 - [3] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. It was Isk, it was hard to come by. Now the cost of things hasn't changed much as thats defined by the industrial process, the amount you can earn has gone throught the roof though, everyone is a billionare Not sure whether it's inflation or deflation as my grasp of economics isn't great , but whatever it is it isn't good. Take my position for example. When I left the account I'd just got into cruisers, I had a little stashed to buy a BC because an old guildy was good enough to give me a hand up. The idea of being able to afford and rig a battleship was maybe a month of grind away, not that I minded it gave me a goal and a sense of achievment when I completed the steps along my career path. Upon return I do a little research, set up a little high sec PI, don't even need to log in but once a day and Bam 7 days later pretty much enough for a BS hull. Sitting on my booty, 0 Risk, free BS , And high sec PI earnings are terribad they tell me What the hell has happened to EVE /edit this was gonna be a slight off topic in another thread but the forum ganked me ate my post and I thought it deserved it's own thread so as not to totally derail someone elses disscusion. Don,t know about PI I entered this game in 2008 ,i do highsec mission a lot and sometimes do small gang fleets in low or 0.0 The earnings from highsec missions are a lot lower then when i started this game back then And the recent changes to PI chould change a lot ,i think but then again i don,t do PI We Rabble Because We Care,BC CCP doesn,t seem to care much
Cipher Jones 298	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:13:00 - [4] - Quote You managed to grind PI and got a BS hull. Clearly Overpowered economy. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Skydell Space Mermaids 87	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:19:00 - [5] - Quote All I know is, something in the debate of ISK is corrupt. They nerf the ISK faucets so there is an indication that we have more than we should. Claims of ISK faucets in the billions from low sec FW to Incursions to WH farming are all over the forums and through it all Plex never broke 400 mill. On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:21:00 - [6] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. It was Isk, it was hard to come by. It wasn't. It was staggeringly easy to come by compared to 2005. I quit between 2005-2008 and when I came back isk flooded out of everywhere. tl;dr been going on a long long time now, not going to change.......
Siigari Kitawa Push Industries Push Interstellar Network 80	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:28:00 - [7] - Quote /me cues fanfare to launch INCURGEDDON Think of THOSE tears. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Servicing highsec and lowsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX
Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:39:00 - [8] - Quote Othran wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. It was Isk, it was hard to come by. It wasn't. It was staggeringly easy to come by compared to 2005. I quit between 2005-2008 and when I came back isk flooded out of everywhere. tl;dr been going on a long long time now, not going to change....... Compared to 2005 when the game wasn't developed fully and a BS was the top end ship yes. But think about this - Top end ship then was a BS, 100mil fitted for a decent one. Top end ship now - Titan 60 BILLION isk roughly, 600 times more to reach the top ship in the game. Unless ISK is also 600 times quicker to earn (which it isn't) then as far as I can see, that makes perfect sense. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Valei Khurelem House Khurelem 108	Posted - 2012.01.04 13:56:00 - [9] - Quote It's inflation, part of the problem is that the places where you get the most ISK also pretty much give you it infinitely, so that means the more people there are playing the game or doing mission running etc. the more ISK floods the market and raises the prices. This is what's happening in RL except the governments are just magically printing it out of thin air and giving it to everyone rather than making them earn it.
The Old Chap Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:21:00 - [10] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Compared to 2005 when the game wasn't developed fully and a BS was the top end ship yes. But think about this - Top end ship then was a BS, 100mil fitted for a decent one. Top end ship now - Titan 60 BILLION isk roughly, 600 times more to reach the top ship in the game. Unless ISK is also 600 times quicker to earn (which it isn't) then as far as I can see, that makes perfect sense. For the significant majority of players who have zero interest in nullsec blobwars, the top end ship has change little since we got access to faction bs and Marauders many years ago. Titan's, carriers and Dread's are irrelevant to the majority of pod pilots. Back in 2005, I remember seeing my first player owned Machariel and thinking - I just gotta get me one of those. It took me five months. Now you can just pick one up in Jita for less than a month's worth of PI revenue. Yeah that's inflation for you. It can't continue ad infinitum - CCP will have to do something soon to further stretch the game for the independent minded player. Or lose us. Look into my eyes...-á-á and tighten that sphincter, kid.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 189	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Valei Khurelem wrote: It's inflation, part of the problem is that the places where you get the most ISK also pretty much give you it infinitely, so that means the more people there are playing the game or doing mission running etc. the more ISK floods the market and raises the prices. This is what's happening in RL except the governments are just magically printing it out of thin air and giving it to everyone rather than making them earn it. But essentially thats part of the problem, prices DONT really rise as they are defined by the cost of the minerals to make said product which hasn't seemed to change much. Also as there seems to be no real 'luxury' market as everything (commonly used at least, there are some 'rares' out there ) can be found in abundance, the 'cost of living' hasn't really risen much. Also to the person who mentioned titans, I just got back from checking ingame what the biggest ship I could bye was, on the market it was a dread at <2Bill. Now as a high seccer I would never be able to fly one but if I alted up and tripled my PI income, I would easily be able to afford one before the 3+ month train time. So is the glass half empty or half full, well for me it's more than half empty already, the EVE I thought I knew of long term goals and struggle to get there seems to have dissolved in CCP's give em moar money, moar of them will play ethos. A shame really, the edges of the sandbox seem claustrophobically close now. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Eyup Mi'duck Republic University Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2012.01.04 14:31:00 - [12] - Quote Yup. OP has got it right. Monocles are the new isk, btw. I am me.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á I am not you.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áI am happy with this situation.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 200	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:05:00 - [13] - Quote Eyup Mi'duck wrote: Yup. OP has got it right. Monocles are the new isk, btw. Then I have one isk then. Threads like this generally result in anything positive. Locked.
Ocih Space Mermaids 31	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:23:00 - [14] - Quote ISK isn't the issue. None of us follow the mantra of the game and I mean none of us. My skills and wallets say that I should be flying Omens and Prophecies. Those are what I can afford to lose, not once or twice but several dozen times and still be a force in EVE. Do I fly Omen's and Prophecies? Of course not, I fly a Zealot and an Abso. I just refuse to risk them and only fly them in fleets. We don't fly what we can afford to lose, we fly what we know will win and we never lose ships. It's the core culture of hypocracy. If I went to goons with 2000 losses, proving I was willing and prepared to lose ships, I wouldn't be seen as a soldier, i'd be seen as a failure at PvP and would be laughed at. Yet the entire game depends on me losing ships to work. At the mechanical level, I don't survive in EVE by doing what EVE says I am supposed to do. Do I get rewarded for losing ships? of course not but that's what I'm supposed to do to make EVE work. Fly what I can afford to lose and be willing to lose it. EVE needs losers. Anyone in? I tried, got laughed at, ridiculed and thrown aside like trash.
Captain Megadeath Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:34:00 - [15] - Quote Siigari Kitawa wrote: /me cues fanfare to launch INCURGEDDON Think of THOSE tears. Says someone who uses daddys credit card to fund his "ISK for shinines"
Profit jr Kumovi The G0dfathers 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 15:45:00 - [16] - Quote Ocih wrote: ISK isn't the issue. None of us follow the mantra of the game and I mean none of us. My skills and wallets say that I should be flying Omens and Prophecies. Those are what I can afford to lose, not once or twice but several dozen times and still be a force in EVE. Do I fly Omen's and Prophecies? Of course not, I fly a Zealot and an Abso. I just refuse to risk them and only fly them in fleets. We don't fly what we can afford to lose, we fly what we know will win and we never lose ships. It's the core culture of hypocracy. If I went to goons with 2000 losses, proving I was willing and prepared to lose ships, I wouldn't be seen as a soldier, i'd be seen as a failure at PvP and would be laughed at. Yet the entire game depends on me losing ships to work. At the mechanical level, I don't survive in EVE by doing what EVE says I am supposed to do. Do I get rewarded for losing ships? of course not but that's what I'm supposed to do to make EVE work. Fly what I can afford to lose and be willing to lose it. EVE needs losers. Anyone in? I tried, got laughed at, ridiculed and thrown aside like trash. You're too clever for this section of the forum, please proceed to Market Discussions or Science & Industry. Thankyou.
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 81	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote These days the same can be said for -ú/Gé¼/$ too, inflation and currency devaluation are like a chicken and egg. Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
BLEEHHHHHHH Sacred Templars RED.OverLord 0	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Its natural growth, the more people are in an area, the more money they can make, which in turn means the more they can spend, which makes producers more rich, plus having more people means more demand, which means higher prices, thus more money. Natrual growth is a good thing, and ide say its pretty stable now, I cant see everyone being able to buy a titan after a days worth of plexing ever happening.
Large Collidable Object morons. 895	Posted - 2012.01.04 16:49:00 - [19] - Quote I largely agree with the OP - however I don't have issues with isk made from selling PI goods, WH pve selling rat drops, LP-store items, Monnmining or regular mining as they just redistribute isk or are even isk sinks (in the case of LP stores). The real problem are all the isk generated out of nowhere, like all bounties, mission rewards, insurance payouts etc... The puzzling bit is that in QENs and eonomic minutes at fanfests, these isk faucets have been identified as a problem long ago, yet CCP keeps adding them. When I first heard about incursions, I thought they just pay Concord LP and was fine with it. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard about the obscene amounts of iincursion sk payouts CCP decided to generate from thin air. It seems CCP game design doesn't listen to their own economists and keeps pumping isk into poorly done features to make them look better. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 291	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:16:00 - [20] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: I largely agree with the OP - however I don't have issues with isk made from selling PI goods, WH pve selling rat drops, LP-store items, Monnmining or regular mining as they just redistribute isk or are even isk sinks (in the case of LP stores). The real problem are all the isk generated out of nowhere, like all bounties, mission rewards, insurance payouts etc... The puzzling bit is that in QENs and eonomic minutes at fanfests, these isk faucets have been identified as a problem long ago, yet CCP keeps adding them. When I first heard about incursions, I thought they just pay Concord LP and was fine with it. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard about the obscene amounts of iincursion sk payouts CCP decided to generate from thin air. It seems CCP game design doesn't listen to their own economists and keeps pumping isk into poorly done features to make them look better. I like what you said, even more after watching you say it with those gorgeous lip of yours ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 22	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:19:00 - [21] - Quote I agree with OP as well. Seems as if everyone are billionaires. But at the same time, I don't want to be the only one not a billionaire On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 200	Posted - 2012.01.04 19:37:00 - [22] - Quote Suppose EVE isnt real anymore. In real life only the rich are suppose to get richer. Only sad isk thing I see is faction BS cost more then carriers otherwise its alright I suppose. Threads like this generally result in anything positive. Locked.
Treks Shadow AZOIK INDUSTRIES AZOIK EMPIRE 134	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:17:00 - [23] - Quote It seems to me reading all the posts from people in here that you all mostly seem mad because. 1 Your not a billionare 2 Your alliance wont allow you to learn how to become one 3 You just like to complain about others enjoying the game. The sad part here is you all really feel justified by crying in the forums. Enough is enough stop all the cry baby posts,threads, etc. If you want something in this game go out and get it. If you dont know how join a corp or alliance that will teach you how.
Bel Amar Vogon Demolitions Dead On Arrival Alliance 25	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:27:00 - [24] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. Neither Wormholes nor PI create the inflation you're talking about, as no part of either adds isk in to the economy. In fact, they're both isk sinks, in that they have taxes associated with production and selling of the products they generate. There are isk faucets causing an inflation in average wallet size, but you're looking in the wrong spots...
Aineko Macx Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2012.01.04 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: But essentially thats part of the problem, prices DONT really rise as they are defined by the cost of the minerals to make said product which hasn't seemed to change much. Yes, as prices haven't kept up* with the increase of player wealth/ease of making isk, the amount of effort to acquire a certain item has gone down. This essentially reduces the subjective value of things and trivializes the meaning of loss, i.e. the risk that makes eve so special. Therefor, balancing the isk faucets / sinks is one of the most important things CCP needs to do to avoid the actions of players losing meaning and thus the game becoming boring. *: Except PLEX, which is subject to special circumstances.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 106	Posted - 2012.01.04 21:18:00 - [26] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Upon return I do a little research, set up a little high sec PI, don't even need to log in but once a day and Bam 7 days later pretty much enough for a BS hull. Sitting on my booty, 0 Risk, free BS , And high sec PI earnings are terribad they tell me Now, assuming you are a sensibly employed professional with disposable income that enjoys his hobby. You could pick up a PLEX for peanuts, sell it in JITA and circumvent all those mechanisms. You could do that once a week and not even feel a dent. Although I use it, it is one aspect of the game that always feels a bit off to me. The whole mechanism of working your ass off to earn ISK and setting those micro goals over time can be circumvented by hauling out your credit card. And people moan about the NEX store
Cass Lie State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.01.04 21:58:00 - [27] - Quote So much misinformation in this thread, it hurts. Inflation is certainly not the word you are looking for. If anything, the prices are deflating at large. Which was kinda the OP's point I guess. The "problem", if that is actually a problem, is there are too many minerals being pumped into the market, which is driving the hull prices down and in a way (but this is relative) trivializing the effort required to acquire those. The amount of income you get from PI or LP grind doesn't directly affect the isk/mineral exchange rate (I am neglecting the associated isk sinks here for the sake of simplicity) and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 193	Posted - 2012.01.05 03:18:00 - [28] - Quote Forum ate my post so briefly Thanks all, still can't get my head round the economic concepts but cheers for trying to educate me. Lolz at guy who thinks I'm jealous of Billionares, way to totally misunderstand a thread dude It's a shame something I found so fun about EVE no longer seems to excist, but I'm sure I'll find my fun somewhere despite that. Fly safe all YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Eternus8lux8lucis Whack-A-Mole 42	Posted - 2012.01.05 04:10:00 - [29] - Quote In 3 years you also will learn a lot about the game and how to make isk a lot quicker. An adult can make more than a teenager who can make more than a child. The ability to earn more and quicker rises exponentially with age, knowledge and more money. But I do think the grow curve for new players is getting a lot shorter and they are getting richer quicker than it used to be. And though this would cater to the get rich quick and "I want it now!" crowd I wonder what it would do for long term retention of players as the faster you can get the top end "end game" or "Level 60", to use another MMO phrase, the faster theyll burn out and get disenchanted or bored silly. Its quite the juggle between the two imo. On the one side you need to make it fast enough that people will continue to play because they are seeing gains and the other that if leveling too fast then theyll just blitz the game and move on. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 193	Posted - 2012.01.05 04:43:00 - [30] - Quote Just to clarify my charecter is only about 4 months old, 2 months played 3 years ago, 2 months recently, not 3 years old. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Intar Medris Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact 26	Posted - 2012.01.05 05:56:00 - [31] - Quote It seems to me everyone in this game hate, and I mean hate Miners. Once a Fine and Proud profession in EVE we are now mocked at every turn. Yet every red ISK cent we make, except for a very minimal amount of bounties from rats, we earn through long hours of sitting in a belt. As new player in this game ISK can be very hard to come by. 30 days of skills later though, and you are making 90 mil an hour grinding Incursions...... In high sec. CCP does need to tone down the faucets or increase the ISK sinks or soon we all will be doomed to to horrid amounts of inflation.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 107	Posted - 2012.01.05 06:49:00 - [32] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: It's a shame something I found so fun about EVE no longer seems to excist, but I'm sure I'll find my fun somewhere despite that. Small goals helps. I'm currently trying to figure out how to find an available research slot in High/Low Caldari space. Maybe PoS but that seems to need a lot of upkeep and I'm in-game too irregularly for that.
Luh Windan S T R A T C O M 49	Posted - 2012.01.05 06:58:00 - [33] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: It seems to me everyone in this game hate, and I mean hate Miners. Once a Fine and Proud profession in EVE we are now mocked at every turn. Yet every red ISK cent we make, except for a very minimal amount of bounties from rats, we earn through long hours of sitting in a belt. As new player in this game ISK can be very hard to come by. 30 days of skills later though, and you are making 90 mil an hour grinding Incursions...... In high sec. CCP does need to tone down the faucets or increase the ISK sinks or soon we all will be doomed to to horrid amounts of inflation. It's hard to have any respect for a group of people unable to act in their own interests. You work to maximise production, compete with each other on price, do nothing to reduce supply from your competitors (in fact many of you see each other as comrades instead of the reason you don't make enough isk) or price fix and you only have yourselves to blame for being involved in a race to the bottom. Instead you just cry on the forums about how everyone hates you and the sky is falling. Yes that sure will fix your problems!
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 703	Posted - 2012.01.05 07:34:00 - [34] - Quote Skydell wrote: On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies. Like... You? I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim. So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit.
Skydell Space Mermaids 89	Posted - 2012.01.05 07:44:00 - [35] - Quote Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Skydell wrote: On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies. Like... You? I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim. So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders. I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature.
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 703	Posted - 2012.01.05 07:47:00 - [36] - Quote Skydell wrote: Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Skydell wrote: On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies. Like... You? I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim. So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders. I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature. Are these giant alien nits you put out for people to pick? 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit.
Skydell Space Mermaids 89	Posted - 2012.01.05 07:51:00 - [37] - Quote Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Skydell wrote: Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Skydell wrote: On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies. Like... You? I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim. So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders. I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature. Are these giant alien nits you put out for people to pick? Gratz, derailed. Go away now.
Keltaris Cesaille Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.01.05 10:09:00 - [38] - Quote I am the 99%
Telvani The Seal Cub Clubbing Club. 19	Posted - 2012.01.05 10:27:00 - [39] - Quote Nerf incursion (boost the LP, remove the ISK) Nerf Bounties (boost the sec increase / loot) Mission payouts are fine Insurance is probably fine to be honest, its actually a very small ISK sink compared to the above. There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed
flakeys Arkham Innovations 180	Posted - 2012.01.05 11:22:00 - [40] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Take my position for example. When I left the account I'd just got into cruisers, I had a little stashed to buy a BC because an old guildy was good enough to give me a hand up. The idea of being able to afford and rig a battleship was maybe a month of grind away, not that I minded it gave me a goal and a sense of achievment when I completed the steps along my career path. When i started the game you had to mine or mission for months - no lvl4 missions then eh - to be able to buy a bs and usually the choice was apoc because that was THE mining ship out there. In short times change , why should it matter?If it didn't matter to me that people 3 years ago could get a bs with only half the time invested from when i started then why should it bother you now?
The Djego Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition 15	Posted - 2012.01.05 11:23:00 - [41] - Quote Othran wrote: Professor Alphane wrote: When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets. It was Isk, it was hard to come by. It wasn't. It was staggeringly easy to come by compared to 2005. I quit between 2005-2008 and when I came back isk flooded out of everywhere. tl;dr been going on a long long time now, not going to change....... Technically it was also easy to come by back in the days at least as I joined the game during RMR, however start up with a new char took longer with learning skills, the guides where worse and you had to find out more by yourself, you had to get BM sets and make your own, you didn't had quick to skill fail prove ships like the drake to go for, a lot less dps and tank plus a lot more problems to acquire items. What really changed is that eve got a lot more streamlined over the years with stuff like the LP shops(back in the days you had to run for multiple corps, turn down missions and agent offers to get a exact LP amount for the offer you wanted and wait 1-2 days for the correct agent offer -> implants that actually payed you the decent isk) or the 0.0 anno/Incursion game play where you can rise and repeat just as much as you like without preparation or slowdowns like chaining belts or scanning down plexes etc.
Rhastafan Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries 15	Posted - 2012.01.05 11:56:00 - [42] - Quote I dunno. My first taste of this game was a 2 week free trial in 2005 which I quit before the 2 weeks were up (personal things came up plus I found it tedious that I kept lagging and CTDing through a certain system that most of my missions (many of them courier as I recall) took me through. Then last year I started the game anew with a new character (I had forgotten the name and such of my old character from 2005). So some months ago I got a notice from CCP on my other email (the one I don't use for games anymore) with a comeback offer for that old trial character I had from 2005 and it included the account name. I decided I could use an alt so I activated it (with a PLEX I had bought from the market of course) and started preparing to set it up for what I wanted to use it for. First thing I did was assign all the free SPs I had (I had read up on learning skills back in the day and had put a lot of SP into them) and gave it 10 mil in cash expecting it would be poor and would need it for skillbooks and such. Next thing I did was liquidate all of its assets and much to my surprise I ended up with over 80 million. I have no clue how I managed to accumulate that much in under 2 weeks on a trial account, but it seems to me even back then ISK was easy to come by even for a n00b. I vaguely recall T2 being crazy expensive at the time, so I would say overall we have seen a lot of deflation overall (and yes, I do come from the department of redundancy department).

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