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Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Mogrin on 15/06/2007 18:30:34 So missions are about getting money. People mission run in their mission battleships. Mission battleships are often Elite with tech 2 and officer fittings, meaning nobody in their right mind is going to take it to lowsec. (don't fly what you can't afford to lose amirite?) So out come level 5s which will only be in lowsec as some lame attempt by CCP to get people to pvp in their mission running ships. Well CCP this shows that you're out of touch with your customer base and it simply won't work. So either put level 5s in highsec as well or just don't bother spending time on them. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Mhaerdirne Solveig Combustion Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:27:00 - [2] yes and there will be nothing in the posts either
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:29:00 - [3] Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:28:26 Until you type your actual OP, I'll just reply with a stock response. Risk vs. Reward!!! --------
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:28:26 Until you type your actual OP, I'll just reply with a stock response. Risk vs. Reward!!! Im gonna go with: Great! Another Amarr nerf! --- ---
Ker Ching	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:34:00 - [5] Lvl 5s are designed to be run by teams, not solo. Teams don't need T2 and faction stuff, just organisation and skill.
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:40:00 - [6] Well then in that case we'll be seeing raiding corps forming and pirate corps camping them, sending the majority back to solo 4s in their mission battleships. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Mogrin Well then in that case we'll be seeing raiding corps forming and pirate corps camping them, sending the majority back to solo 4s in their mission battleships. Cool...in that case you go back to running level 4's, and I'll organize a proper force to coordinate level 5 missions relatively safe from pirates, and profit immensely. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation!
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:42:00 - [8] You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted whine! If you caldari mission running torp spamming little toe rags can't get themselves into low sec once in a while you don't deserve the agents, personally I think that all level 4's should be in low sec, In future, wake up the dozy hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing. Eve is about Risk vs reward. Anarchy Empire is recruiting US/OZ Corps
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:42:00 - [9] Maybe it isn't CCP who's out of touch :P Something that living in 0.0 taught me is it doesn't matter if a group is t1 fitted or t2 fitted, what mattered is they brought the right tool set along - ganged warfare with complimentary skill sets and mods.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:43:00 - [10] um, the lower sec, the more oppertunity there should be for making isk. It is the entire way Eve was based, the more risks you open yourself up to, the higher your rewards. Really, it's not the Devs who are outta touch, it's the playerbase, who was expecting Hello Kitty Online.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:43:57 Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:28:26 Until you type your actual OP, I'll just reply with a stock response. Risk vs. Reward!!! Oddly, I was right! The more risk, the bigger reward. Currently, you can make as much running lvl4s as you can ratting in most average-quality 0.0. Lvl5s are going to be some serious cash- they should no more be risk free than mining mercoxit. And as a nice finishing bonus- what exactly IS there in low sec? Currently, its the same risk as 0.0, with similar rewards to high-sec (RvR turned on it's head). This will - FINALLY - be something worth going there for. And if you don't want to go to low-sec, nothings stopping you staying at home. Nothing is being removed from high-sec- just new stuff added to low. --------
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:45:00 - [12] Bzzt! 16 minutes from OP to someone mentioning "Hello Kitty Online". Come on, people - we can do better!
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Zaphod Jones You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted whine! If you caldari mission running torp spamming little toe rags can't get themselves into low sec once in a while you don't deserve the agents, personally I think that all level 4's should be in low sec, In future, wake up the dozy hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing. Eve is about Risk vs reward. Tell me mr. bigshot, whats easier than soloing missions in mission running ships? Answer: Killing mission running ships with pvp setup ships. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
John Grimm The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:48:00 - [14] You do realize that lvl5 missions will need Cap ships in order to be completed, or some of them will, in any sort of timely manner. And i hope that you know that Cap ships, except the Freighter, can't go in 0.5 and up. The logical conclusion of the above facts is that lvl5 missions can only be located in low sec., where dreads and carriers can operate. Just my 0.02ISK. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:43:57 Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 18:28:26 Until you type your actual OP, I'll just reply with a stock response. Risk vs. Reward!!! Oddly, I was right! The more risk, the bigger reward. Currently, you can make as much running lvl4s as you can ratting in most average-quality 0.0. Lvl5s are going to be some serious cash- they should no more be risk free than mining mercoxit. And as a nice finishing bonus- what exactly IS there in low sec? Currently, its the same risk as 0.0, with similar rewards to high-sec (RvR turned on it's head). This will - FINALLY - be something worth going there for. And if you don't want to go to low-sec, nothings stopping you staying at home. Nothing is being removed from high-sec- just new stuff added to low. just a question, any idea how big the rewards will be? @if you are having trouble doing lvl5's, come join my crew
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Zaphod Jones You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted whine! If you caldari mission running torp spamming little toe rags can't get themselves into low sec once in a while you don't deserve the agents, personally I think that all level 4's should be in low sec, In future, wake up the dozy hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing. Eve is about Risk vs reward. I'm a Caldari... In low sec... In a blockade runner... ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:53:00 - [17] nobody will have problems with the level 5 missions, the problem will be the pvpers preying on mission runners. By simple law of averages, highsec level 4s will be more profitable than lowsec level 5s unless level 5 profits are so ridiculously high that people stop mining altogether. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Tractormech Caldari Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:57:00 - [18] You say all this, yet I guarantee you there will be many successful people running these missions. All the while people like you will be sitting in Jita saying its impossible.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Tractormech You say all this, yet I guarantee you there will be many successful people running these missions. All the while people like you will be sitting in Jita saying its impossible. Low sec just isn't as dangerous as so many people think. It just isn't. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
John Grimm The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Mogrin nobody will have problems with the level 5 missions, the problem will be the pvpers preying on mission runners. By simple law of averages, highsec level 4s will be more profitable than lowsec level 5s unless level 5 profits are so ridiculously high that people stop mining altogether. I'll be honest with you, i don't do missions. I even don't dwell in Empire, i just come from time to time to sell good loot and buy some new ships/BPOs. I feel strange when i look at local and see all them neutrals. But tbh i don't see what the problem with running mission in groups will harm you, 1x Uber Res tank, 1x Logistics Ship for rep.(Carriers+Triage Mod maybe to be used as both of thouse), 2-3x Damage dealers and a Looter, it's not that though to plan out, carrier will escort your groupe around and if piwats attack he can instantly repair you with triage mod on, while you give the Ibel Piwats a new hole in the buttocks. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:19:00 - [21] Well i'm not gonna say it will be good or bad just yet, there are allready people running mish in low sec, but L5's are a completely different ballgame i think, u need to do them in groups which means the profits made might get seriously diluted, also u will prolly need guards with pvp setup to take care of any incomming baddies. I'm just afraid L5's will become the domain of bigger corps (or even alliances) who have the means to shut off an entire system so pirates won't have a chance so they can send in their missionrunning workparties to make even more isk. I do think it's ironic when people attack hi sec dwellers about making easy cash while in the meantime certain groups of 0.0 dwellers can make (prolly even more) cash just as easily and safely cuz there in a closed off section of 0.0. Anyways ccp tried to force people in low sec many a times and always alway failed, they are tenacious though but i do wish they would give it a rest allready. OH well,we'll see what happens, sofar rev. 2.0 looks great!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:23:00 - [22] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I'm just afraid L5's will become the domain of bigger corps (or even alliances) who have the means to shut off an entire system so pirates won't have a chance so they can send in their missionrunning workparties to make even more isk. Heh.. I was just going to post something along those lines.. With cap ships able to enter them I think all the level 5's will simply be camped by the BoB/Goon crowd if the isk stream is big enough.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Mogrin So out come level 5s which will only be in lowsec as some lame attempt by CCP to get people to pvp in their mission running ships. Well CCP this shows that you're out of touch with your customer base and it simply won't work. So either put level 5s in highsec as well or just don't bother spending time on them. lol boy do you have it wrong...... seriously you guys have it to easy mission running in high sec as it is. systems like motsu are far to over populated by isk hording farmers. from a carebear point of view you should know how to set up warp allignment so you can warp out if needed already and if not then you've either got a very pimped mission raven or you lose them 24/7. anyways to clarify things, CCP is not trying to force the eve community to pvp, their slowly nudging people to move away from empire. there probably expecting the main mission systems for lvl 4's to end up like jita. do you think you can handle that lag while trying to do a mission with around 600 people in local doing the same? anyways heres a little info just incase you missed it LVL 1 - LVL 4 missions = high sec LVL 5 = low sec LVL 6 = 0.0 are you going to whine about lvl 6 missions being in 0.0 when they come? Originally by: Zaphod Jones If you caldari mission running torp spamming little toe rags can't get themselves into low sec once in a while you don't deserve the agents, personally I think that all level 4's should be in low sec agreed tbfh. also your whining about the missions being in low sec wont change a thing. you wana stay in high sec then do lvl 4's, if you got the balls then jump into low sec and do lvl 5's and reap the benifits. when lvl 6's come out be prepared to be either ganked or pay a toll fee ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:36:00 - [24] Truth be told, I'd actually feel safer running missions in 0.0 than in lowsec... In lowsec, you're almost assured that an average rat gang has a snooper out looking for you because of the epeen strokage gankers get out of sticking it to the mission runners, where in 0.0, most of the lazy buggers just sit on a gate.
Vasiliyan The Flying Swan	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Tractormech You say all this, yet I guarantee you there will be many successful people running these missions. All the while people like you will be sitting in Jita saying its impossible. Low sec just isn't as dangerous as so many people think. It just isn't. Indeed. I've made quite a bit of isk from running missions in lowsec and even 0.0. It's also nice and quiet and lagfree.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:43:00 - [26] Originally by: 000Hunter000 I do think it's ironic when people attack hi sec dwellers about making easy cash while in the meantime certain groups of 0.0 dwellers can make (prolly even more) cash just as easily and safely cuz there in a closed off section of 0.0. It doesn't close itself off on it's own, you know. Its ruddy hard work, involving a lot of people. Why is it "really hard" for Empire dwellers to lock down a system, but "easy and safe" for a 0.0 group to do the same thing? And as I've already said, in most average-quality 0.0, you make about the same ratting as you do running level 4 missions in high sec, all things considered. And thats if you can get your loot to sell (competing against 100x exactly the same named loot), and not taking in to account the massive costs associated with running a 0.0 infrastructure that is patently free in Empire. --------
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:46:00 - [27] Edited by: Vitrael on 15/06/2007 19:45:55 OP wants more money at no personal risk. End of thread. Please note OP, I fly my fully t2 fitted and rigged BS in low sec missions. I always have and I always will. ----------
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Ker Ching Lvl 5s are designed to be run by teams, not solo. Teams don't need T2 and faction stuff, just organisation and skill. Great! Now I just need to wait like a year for my corp mates to reach the mission-running-uberness level that I currently have... Oh wait, I can always convo lofty "can you help me with a mission?"
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:52:00 - [29] Op wants isk, the lvl5's are the wrong way to do it, i got a whopping 140k from the last lvl5 i did on the test server. If missions are only about getting money, then dont worry you wont want to do lvl5's anyway. Recruiting Terrorists
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.06.15 20:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Mogrin Edited by: Mogrin on 15/06/2007 18:30:34 Well CCP this shows that you're out of touch with your customer base and it simply won't work. Actually I find that there's a great many players who are out of touch with the game they signed up to play. Possible profit to risk in empire is already wacked. It doesn't need to be further imbalanced. ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED

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