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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:50:00 -
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LP shop (with faction ammo details) thread
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Solokar
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:51:00 -
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The OP makes some good points but IMHO the main issue is still NOS. It takes almost no skills to use and its effect is overpowered. 6 NOS + 2 guns > 4 NOS + 4 guns > 8 guns. Hopefully, we will see a balancing change in this area soon.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:09:00 -
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Akita T stop trying to help the people, its more fun to watch them squirm and cry nerf!!!
and on sisi the other day i got owned by a blasterthron, in a drake, and a slipnir and a absolution went down too.
blasterthrons seem very good after the patch anyways.
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E Vile
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: E Vile on 19/06/2007 08:09:52
Sorry, but you are completely full of it.
No Tier 3 BS is "Cheap and easy" to fit. No way.
All Tier 3 BS are far more expensive and AT LEAST just as skill intensive to fly correctly.
Amarr are FAR from worthless. The abaddon and geddon can be very effective with PROPER SKILLS, and SMART PLAY.
This game has so many whiners. Reminds me of the people that ruined Star Wars Galaxies.
"The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
Shohadaku New York Metal
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:10:00 -
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The OP fails to see that this is a MMO, meening that he might not be suposed to kill most ships out there by himself :) |
kliop
Wisdom Seekers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:13:00 -
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i have only one thing to say
 Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Vdub2002
so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?
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Buhu?
cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever cryboy
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stellar Vix
MWDing SniperRokh > MWDing Blaterthorn
MWD snipers.........
Hmm. I'll be polite and call that 'unique'.
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Odinegras
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:17:00 -
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Im confused here? Your saying real men use a blasterthron erm take off the EANM II's and fit mag stabs, fight like a real man. Who needs a tank anyway? talking about all or nothing then fitting a tank :S
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jaezebelle
Gallente
ORB enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:19:00 -
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I think if you'd have specialized in just Gallente instead of spreading it about with at least another 2 races you'd feel a little bit better about them.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:19:00 -
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Youy suck murder one.
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E Vile
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:24:00 -
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WTF?!?
""Caldari and Minmatar so that I could have some ships that excelled in a Nos heavy combat environment."""
Did I miss something? Did they take Domis out of game?
"The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
Shohadaku New York Metal
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:29:00 -
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btw. the raven cant wtfbbq anything. please give it 8th missile slot + 5 more lows.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:31:00 -
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MWDing SniperRokh > MWDing Blaterthorn
well you dont fit a mwd on a sniper rokh but still:
tier 3 bs > tier 2 bs in most cases...
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: MOS DEF
Time to grow some real balls and jump into the astarte. That one still fits.
I have an Astarte. It's smaller, does less DPS, and has less cap. It's fun for gangs and killing smaller ships, but it's still not a BS. Any 4m SP Domi pilot will rip it apart.
You are right there. The problem does not ly with blasterboats though. It's one single bloody module called the heavy NOS. How CCP let this bad joke go on for so long is unbelievable. Fix nos. Those modules are simply too good especially because so many battleships have free hi slots to fill up with them.
They should use some sort of utility turret or something. If someone puts 2 heavy nos on hs tempest or raven i can live with that.
4 nos 4 launchers/guns rokhs machariels, phoons, abaddons and the like are a sad joke though.
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Horus Dark
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:42:00 -
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Blasterthrons are quickly becoming a rarity in PVP <---stopped reading right there.
You actualy pvp?
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Originally by: Stellar Vix
MWDing SniperRokh > MWDing Blaterthorn
MWD snipers.........
Hmm. I'll be polite and call that 'unique'.
Why so?
If you fit for fighting at range. Fit to stay at range. *shrug*
People will come at you with WMDs, so you'll need one to keep them away.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaz
Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Originally by: Stellar Vix
MWDing SniperRokh > MWDing Blaterthorn
MWD snipers.........
Hmm. I'll be polite and call that 'unique'.
Why so?
If you fit for fighting at range. Fit to stay at range. *shrug*
People will come at you with WMDs, so you'll need one to keep them away.
I have flown a speed fit 'sniper blaster Rokh'. It works ok, but once you get more than one opponent on you, you're usually toast, as you can keep one guy away, but it's hard to keep two off of you, given how slow the Rokh is to change direction.
Because I said so...
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 19/06/2007 08:59:24
Originally by: Ashaz
Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Originally by: Stellar Vix
MWDing SniperRokh > MWDing Blaterthorn
MWD snipers.........
Hmm. I'll be polite and call that 'unique'.
Why so?
If you fit for fighting at range. Fit to stay at range. *shrug*
People will come at you with WMDs, so you'll need one to keep them away.
if you snipe you dont have much of a tank! so if you getat attaked you dont usualy mwd away but you warp:9
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: kliop
Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57
i have only one thing to say
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Vdub2002
so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?
=_=
Buhu?
cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever
cryboy
i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are
What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.
I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.
Because I said so...
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Karanth
Gallente
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:04:00 -
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I find that it hurts to think about blasterthrons, and their place, until one considers that a blasterthron is a CoDzilla in a different form, and then, it makes total sense.
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Kay Han
Caldari
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres
Well, he has some points. Less damage versus better tanks. It's a problem for all blaster ships. It's increasingly difficult to reach and stay in blaster range with speed setups more common.
The biggest problem, however, in my opinion is cap usage. Not only is cap more under attack by nos, but the increased length of engagements has obviously also increased the amount of time needed to run guns, tackling, propulsion and tank. Blasterships were already weak in this regard, relying on killing their opponents before cap death.
7 Ion II's consume 25.6 cap/s* which equals roughly 2+ heavy nos on you constantly. Megathron with maxed cap skills and MWD fitted has a peak recharge (2.4x modifier) of 14.6 cap/s. That is, it can't even sustain the guns, much less anything else. A T2 heavy injector provides 57 cap/s, so after guns there is 46 cap/s. LAR II is 35.5, scrambler and web are about 5 total, and all other modules such as hardeners and damage control are maybe 3 more, which puts the capacitor status at about +2 cap/s.
That means both A. that there is practically zero margin for being nossed to sustain it and B. that MWD's usage is drained from max cap, which usually means that it's used to get in range, bringing the cap down near the 30-40% peak spot.
And that's with just one repper. Considering battleships that use weapon systems that do not require cap (Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom, Dominix (mostly), Raven) can do competitive damage while tanking considerably better and even having better range and better fitting options, even utility slots for nos with guns, I would definitely argue that blasterthrons and hypes are disadvantaged.
I don't want them to be buffed hugely, but I would appreciate it if the cap issue was addressed.
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2 MFS II
3% RoF Hardwiring
Gunnery V
Rapid Firing V
Controlled Bursts IV
thats pretty much the point and it aplies to all gallente blasterships.
The mega needs some caplove.
Reduced cap needs on blasters or overall more cap.
anyways this is a very nice thread. Some valid points here and a good OP.
P.s.
the deimos still needs a Huge potion of love 
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile
Edited by: E Vile on 19/06/2007 08:09:52
Sorry, but you are completely full of it.
No Tier 3 BS is "Cheap and easy" to fit. No way.
All Tier 3 BS are far more expensive and AT LEAST just as skill intensive to fly correctly.
Amarr are FAR from worthless. The abaddon and geddon can be very effective with PROPER SKILLS, and SMART PLAY.
This game has so many whiners. Reminds me of the people that ruined Star Wars Galaxies.
I can fit a Hype or Maelstrom or Rokh using all T2 modules, with no faction mods required. The Maelstrom and Rokh I can fit with modules that are *way* cheaper than what I need to use to fit my Hype or Mega.
That is the definition of cheap and easy. I have never had any fitting problems with the Rokh or Maelstrom. That's the definition of 'easy'.
Ships that don't take that many SP to fly well: Rokh, Domi, Phoon (Phoon takes a little more to fly well than the other two). All are Nos boats, all fits use missiles and and nos or drones and nos. No guns, no gunnery SP required.
This isn't speculation. This is direct first hand experience. Right now I'm finishing out large blaster spec to 5, just for that extra 2% DPS. Maybe it will help.
The faction ammo available from the LP stores might be just the thing needed to revive the Blasterthron. Using Void really hurts it.
Because I said so...
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:20:00 -
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If you think blaster Megas suck, you should try flying a Tempest!
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AlphaM
Doom Guard
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:23:00 -
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i can kinda see your point
My T2 thron (20+mil sp) would kill a complete nub in a raven, when that raven hits 10mil sp it becomes a coin toss,
I havnt used my thron for a while as,
A it didnt seem like a great pay off in performance compared to time and isk invested,
B domi out performs it in gang fights
C A month training a raven gives me a all purpous pvp/pve ship.
It looks cool tho, and those that can invest the time and isk into it can make kick ass vids :) |
murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: murder one on 19/06/2007 09:32:23
Originally by: Voculus
If you think blaster Megas suck, you should try flying a Tempest!
Don't I know it. That's why I fly a Phoon with a big fat dual rep armor tank (Omni tank, with plenty of EANM T2s).
Because I said so...
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Horus Dark
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:34:00 -
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if you think a mega needs cap love try flying a abaddon.
I am sorry...but the mega rocks.
It might have some small issues...but they are in no way as big as a ton of otherships out there.
Its so funny to see your spoiled gallentre complain about a perfectly decent ships.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:52:00 -
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Rock, Paper, Scissors.
The Blasterthron is Scissors. Though unfortunately these days noone flies paper.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:52:00 -
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Man, I'm going to have to make an anti-eve forum flamers signature or something. Seriously, half the posts I read anymore are flames.
To the OP: YES. I agree. All the blasterthron pilot has been hit with the past year is NERF NERF NERF NERF. There was one boost to it- the Neutron Blasters got a cap usage reduction, then everything after that just made them difficult to use. It makes me sad too. It seems that unfortunately CCP has been trying to hard to balance the game that they have wound up making severe cuts to ships that are highly efficient to try and make those that are less efficient "work." And that's not fair.
Balancing a game is difficult. Real life is not balanced. A game CAN be balanced, but it it's own ways. I still fear (sometimes) Amarr ships for instance. They are straight amazing. In the hands of a pilot that knows what they're doing, they're devastating. But the simple fact remains that if you don't know what you're doing (aka you don't have the skills), don't fly it. I'm tired of seeing CCP pandering to the player that wants to fly everything perfectly with level 4 skills. Did you take the time to train to level 5? No? Then deal with your crap skills.
Sheesh. :(
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Kehmor
Caldari
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:00:00 -
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I'll fly the blasterthron no matter what but ye, buff it!
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
I'll fly the blasterthron no matter what but ye, buff it!
And we lub you for it <3
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