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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: murder one Blasterthrons are an all-or-nothing ship. You either crush your target or get completely destroyed. There is no turning back. There are no options once you engage. You are fully commited. Every time.
Blasterthrons are quickly becoming a rarity in PVP due to the skills required to fly them (both in skillpoints and pilot experience) and the cost to operate one effectively.
The 25% HP increase and the 20% damage reduction to T2 short range ammo, in addition to the huge (-50%) tracking nerf to short range T2 ammo in Rev1 was a massive blow to the effectiveness of the Blasterthron. Once rigs were introduced that increased active tanks by another 35% or more, the margin with which a Blasterthron could overcome a single target's tank has been reduced to almost zero.
Blasterthrons need maxed out skills in order to get that last 10-15% DPS increase in order to compete with the tremendous tanking increases brought about by rigs and the Tier 3 battleships. It's quite easy to build a Rokh or Maelstrom or Dominx, or even a Typhoon with relatively little ISK and less than maximum skills that is competitive with other battleship setups in PVP. With the Blasterthron (and also the Blaster Hype), if you don't have every applicable skill to five, you're probably going to die in a 1v1 fight with another BS if it's properly fit for PVP.
Now that the T2 EANMs have been increased to 36 CPU per module, Blasterthron pilots will have to resort to faction modules and a 5% CPU reduction implant (requireing Cybernetics 5- another skill required to be maxed), just to get a basic fit. Nothing spectacular and overwhelmingly effective, just an entry level setup.
So what do the rest of you think? Is this a good thing? Should flying a Blasterthron be reserved for only the best and most expert pilots in Eve? Or should it be more accessible for use to those with less than perfect skills and a smaller bank roll?
For me, adding an extra 160 million ISK to the cost of my setup, a full 80% increase in cost over my previous setup, just to fly a Blasterthron won't really make that much of a difference. I'll continue to fly it just because I can't stomach flying anything else.
I can fly Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente BS with equal effectiveness (I won't touch Amarr, as they're completely worthless, with the EANM change just making it worse), but I'm sticking with my Blasterthron. It just doesn't feel right defeating my targets with a battleship fit with more nos than guns. Or all nos and torp launchers. There just isn't any skill or style in it.
So I guess in the end, CCP's efforts to remove the Blasterthron from the playing field is a good thing. Those who fly one, and do it well, will be held in high regard, as an esteemed elite, a select few to be held in awe by the common low rank PVP pilots flying second rate nos ships.
Cheers CCP. Keep the nerfs coming. Pretty soon no one will be flying anything that doesn't use nos or capless weapons, and no one will ever undock unless they have at least a four man gang for backup. Looks like a bright future.
I totally disagree with you jsut for the fact, that Gallente are the best race for PvP and NOW you want to boost your race even more? Seriously something wrong there if anything "imo" Gallente should get nerfed, NOS+Drone's usually end up in WIN, an Gallente can do both.
Train your "Blasterthron" skills to max, an maybe you can be "elite" too. And post on the forum at how great it is??
(No intention to flame at you, just saying it how it is)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 19/06/2007 10:15:37
Quote: stuff about mega beeing diffiult to use and underpowered
i rly dont get your whine. the mega is balanced as hell, there is no other t2 bs that performs so well.
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Aakron
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:44:00 -
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Just bring 2x blasterthrons against the 1 target. Welcome to eve 2k7 ---
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Sir Dancealot
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: d026 it can tank + gank + tackle + use ew + use 5 heavy drones
wat? ew? Thatd be in the imaginary extra mid-slots we all dream of. Not to mention the extra cpu
Originally by: Incantare
Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.
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kliop
Wisdom Seekers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: kliop Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57 i have only one thing to say
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Vdub2002 so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?
=_=
Buhu?
cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever cryboy i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are
What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.
I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.
it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!
see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..
the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his... -------------------------------- hello o/ |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:02:00 -
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I'm not sure the OP really has it right.
But Blaster ships are definitely in need of some love atm. Basically, they need to tank long enough to crawl all the way in to range, they need speed modules, and they need enough gank left so that when they get there, they can finish them off quickly (seeing as the battle has already been raging for nearly a minute by the time they get in to range).
That makes them just about the only ship in existence that requires all 3 major disciplines- its not a gank ship, not a tank ship, not a speed ship- it's ALL of these. And there simply isn't enough fittings to do it well. Combine this with how ridiculously easy it is to counter a Blaster ship (one webber and he's done for) and it just isn't very viable. --------
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Dawson
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:05:00 -
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what do you expect its a tier 1 BS. nuff said.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dawson what do you expect its a tier 1 BS. nuff said.
It's a tier 2 BS.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: hUssmann on 19/06/2007 11:30:26
Originally by: Tonkin the domi with its ubber nos
Domi gets a bonus to nos? Funnily enough a heavy nos drains the same amount coming from a domi than from anything but a bhaalgorn.
Originally by: Tonkin 2 of the best hacs
Oh my god.
Tried fitting an ishtar lately? I'm not a big fan of small guns on my cruiser.
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Drykor
Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Drykor on 19/06/2007 11:31:48 Gallente don't really need to be even better in pvp. That having said, NOS is overpowered at the moment. But if you remove it, blasterships will be even better in pvp and they will become the new flavour of the month. Nerf NOS (only fit in utility slots or something) and maybe nerf blasterships slightly afterwards.
Edit: Oh and introduce tracking for NOS.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: kliop
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: kliop Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57 i have only one thing to say
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Vdub2002 so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?
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Buhu?
cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever cryboy i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are
What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.
I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.
it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!
see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..
the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his...
Indeed, you have everything exactly wrong. The Manticore was horribly overpowered (I guess I have to keep repeating myself, as you're too stupid to comprehend what I say) and the other bombers were improved to match it. The idiot whines that his bomber is no longer 50% more powerful than all the rest, even though the Manticore still does a great job.
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If it were comparable, it would be like the Manticore's DPS being reduced so much that it could never kill anything before it was killed itself. Now *that* would be a similar comparison.
I don't want the Blasterthron to win every time. I just want it to be good at it's specified role. CCP's changes to ammo, HP, DPS, rigs etc. have made the Blasterthron ineffective. It can no longer kill a target decisively once it gets into range.
And there is no amount of tanking that will solve the problem for blaster ships. Once you're out of cap, you're dead. The only answer is to kill as fast as possible. It's like you guys don't even fly Blasterthrons or something. You appear to not know WTF you're talking about.
Come to think of it, I guess you don't, since you obviously don't fly them. Maybe you shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about.
Because I said so...
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Dawson what do you expect its a tier 1 BS. nuff said.
It's a tier 2 BS.
lmao owned.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: hUssmann Edited by: hUssmann on 19/06/2007 11:30:26
Originally by: Tonkin the domi with its ubber nos
Domi gets a bonus to nos? Funnily enough a heavy nos drains the same amount coming from a domi than from anything but a bhaalgorn.
Originally by: Tonkin 2 of the best hacs
Oh my god.
Tried fitting an ishtar lately? I'm not a big fan of small guns on my cruiser.
Me either.
What is even more amusing is that the Abaddon/Rokh/Maelstrom can all fit **way** more Nos than the Domi can, because they have the grid/CPU. You can easily fit 4x heavy nos and 4x guns (or launchers in the case of the Rokh), while the Domi is left fitting 2x heavy nos, and 4x medium nos at the most.
I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Dawson what do you expect its a tier 1 BS. nuff said.
It's a tier 2 BS.
lmao owned.
X3
Because I said so...
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.
Would you like to snuggle in my hanger?
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: hUssmann
Originally by: murder one
I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.
Would you like to snuggle in my hanger?
lol!
I'm training my EM armor comp skill to 5 in protest of the EANM nerf. \o/
Because I said so...
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:57:00 -
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NOS is changed as of today ( well when the patch is completed ) so this thread is pointless and a total waste of time.
So , why not wait for the patch , evaluate combat with the nos changes then have a ship discussion that is actually relevant ?
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: hUssmann
Originally by: murder one
I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.
Would you like to snuggle in my hanger?
lol!
I'm training my EM armor comp skill to 5 in protest of the EANM nerf. \o/
I only trained it to 5 to irritate amarr
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Ja'kar
Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:05:00 -
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I think if you'd have specialized in just Gallente instead of spreading it about with at least another 2 races you'd feel a little bit better about them.
cross training so very easy when you have high sp it really don't make a difference to using a ship I can fly the same 3 races and 2 of em at lvl 5 and gal will soon be trained to lvl 5 bs - cos all my other 'base' skills work with other ships and starting with min gave me a good start as I had to train guns/missiles, so with a few extra skill u r just as good in any of the three race ships.
I just got a hyper so cannot comment on it, but I will say cap is a real issue
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:11:00 -
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I have actually flown a blasterthron, (not very well and my skills are quite average for it) and it was fun. I did have huge problems with fitting though, and although the huge DPS was nice I stil couldn't kill off the super tanked Tempest before his 2 mates in Ravens turned up to finish me off.
It does appear that blaster setups are having the same issues as arty snipers these days. Before the HP boost an alpha strike off an Arty Tempest was something to be feared, but now it's no where near as scary because of the incresaed buffer you have against it and the hideous cycle time of arty means you have time to escape.
Maybe an increase to blaster dps is the answer (an increase to arty dps at teh same time would be nice too )
Akkarin Hopefully the mods won't play with this one
<3 - Immy
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kliop
Wisdom Seekers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 12:16:53
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: kliop
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: kliop Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57 i have only one thing to say
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Vdub2002 so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?
=_=
Buhu?
cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever cryboy i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are
What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.
I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.
it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!
see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..
the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his...
Indeed, you have everything exactly wrong. The Manticore was horribly overpowered (I guess I have to keep repeating myself, as you're too stupid to comprehend what I say) and the other bombers were improved to match it. The idiot whines that his bomber is no longer 50% more powerful than all the rest, even though the Manticore still does a great job.
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If it were comparable, it would be like the Manticore's DPS being reduced so much that it could never kill anything before it was killed itself. Now *that* would be a similar comparison.
I don't want the Blasterthron to win every time. I just want it to be good at it's specified role. CCP's changes to ammo, HP, DPS, rigs etc. have made the Blasterthron ineffective. It can no longer kill a target decisively once it gets into range.
And there is no amount of tanking that will solve the problem for blaster ships. Once you're out of cap, you're dead. The only answer is to kill as fast as possible. It's like you guys don't even fly Blasterthrons or something. You appear to not know WTF you're talking about.
Come to think of it, I guess you don't, since you obviously don't fly them. Maybe you shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about.
someone would have to be stupid to say that cause something might have been or not overpowered it now has to be worse then the rest...anyway gallente are fine as it is..specially the bs of them... any more dmg and u guys will outdamge the other races bs (no matter the dmg kind) without u wearing any dmg mods and them wearing..which is wrong..u pay with fittings for ur dmg u cant have anything EDIT am done with bumping that useless thread anymore...cause i dont think the blasterthrn need anything more if it isnt the solowtfpwnmobile... -------------------------------- hello o/ |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: hUssmann
Originally by: Tonkin 2 of the best hacs
Oh my god.
Tried fitting an ishtar lately? I'm not a big fan of small guns on my cruiser.
Lol, Ishtar?! Forget the Ishtar- what about the poor Deimos?! IMO a likely contender for the worst HAC in the game!
Oh, and it's a blaster one too, so it fits in with this topic well --------
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:19:00 -
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Every now and again I dip my toe into blasterships, and every time I die badly, with no cap. Even at 20m SP it doesn't seem worth it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Celestal NOS is changed as of today ( well when the patch is completed ) so this thread is pointless and a total waste of time.
So , why not wait for the patch , evaluate combat with the nos changes then have a ship discussion that is actually relevant ?
Yep, NOS is changed a lot. I agree. *nods*
# Small meta and t2 nosferatu's also get a range bonus now, like the medium and heavy ones. # Small Nosferatu II drain amount decreased to 9.6 and range decreased to 5500 meters.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: E Vile Edited by: E Vile on 19/06/2007 08:09:52 Sorry, but you are completely full of it.
No Tier 3 BS is "Cheap and easy" to fit. No way. All Tier 3 BS are far more expensive and AT LEAST just as skill intensive to fly correctly.
Amarr are FAR from worthless. The abaddon and geddon can be very effective with PROPER SKILLS, and SMART PLAY.
This game has so many whiners. Reminds me of the people that ruined Star Wars Galaxies.
I can fit a Hype or Maelstrom or Rokh using all T2 modules, with no faction mods required. The Maelstrom and Rokh I can fit with modules that are *way* cheaper than what I need to use to fit my Hype or Mega.
That is the definition of cheap and easy. I have never had any fitting problems with the Rokh or Maelstrom. That's the definition of 'easy'.
Ships that don't take that many SP to fly well: Rokh, Domi, Phoon (Phoon takes a little more to fly well than the other two). All are Nos boats, all fits use missiles and and nos or drones and nos. No guns, no gunnery SP required.
This isn't speculation. This is direct first hand experience. Right now I'm finishing out large blaster spec to 5, just for that extra 2% DPS. Maybe it will help.
The faction ammo available from the LP stores might be just the thing needed to revive the Blasterthron. Using Void really hurts it.
A Rokh may not need many skills to fly in a fleet, but try flying it anywhere BUT a fleet. Those things are hurting in tight battles under 30km, unless you're flying a half-assed Dominix fit with massive NOS and T2 drones.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Celestal NOS is changed as of today ( well when the patch is completed ) so this thread is pointless and a total waste of time.
So , why not wait for the patch , evaluate combat with the nos changes then have a ship discussion that is actually relevant ?
Yep, NOS is changed a lot. I agree. *nods*
# Small meta and t2 nosferatu's also get a range bonus now, like the medium and heavy ones. # Small Nosferatu II drain amount decreased to 9.6 and range decreased to 5500 meters.
Lol. That deserves a "pwn'd" I think --------
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:31:00 -
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ccp it is most embarrissing that u still havent fixed nos and that u have nerfed eanms in an attempt to boost amarr. regarding that matter u have completly ignored the major of the community. instead u bring us worthless things like eve voice. how much percent of the players are actually using it ?? it is indeed a slap into the face of your own community and an insult to our intelligence. change focus,ccp , to the community. that is where the cash is. dont be foolish. now replace that complete utter (...), who has been in charge of balancing. k thx bye
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Dano Katiria
adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:35:00 -
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i love blaster ships, they are the most fun in the game imo. But they do have serious issues, i u want the gank to kill anything u have to rid yourself of the tank require to even get into range.
In theory a 120mil t2 ship, deimos, should be able to kill a 40mill bc, (drake). But even with 5neutron blasters, 3 damage mods and 2 t2 weapon dps rigs i could not even get a drake past 30% sheild, with my friend tanking, this is with t2 weapons/drones/mods and once he started to attack me i melted.
The same is applicable to the brutix and the mega. Imo the most fun ships in the game, now useless unless u have 50mil sp,
Blasters could do with a little dps improvement, and nos could do with a FAT nerf. I have rather good skills with drones, t2 heavies. And the domi with bs5 is almost unbeatable, just because of Nos. I lol at blasterthron pilots attacking my domi, because they will be out of cap before they get me into armour. NOS NEEDS A NERF Being nice is for ugly people - Falazi |
John Blackthorn
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:42:00 -
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Most all races can make a simular plea that there ship is gimped compaired to another. Such as Ammar have cap issues and only 3 mids to work with. And Caldari can have a shield tank but in order to match the resits of an armor tanker they have use up all there mids + use more cap. (except passive tankers which have to rely on amount of shields and not nessary resists).
While I have mostly flew caldari in the past I found out they were very good npc'ers but when it came to pvp I was disapointed because I'd ether be able to tank by using up my mids, or I could tank less and throw in a scrambler or a dampner.. etc etc. It's all about balance. A caldari raven pilot should just accept that they can't tank and participate in alot of e/w at the same time (web/scrm/disruptor/dampen).
As a blasterthon perhaps you should look for other ways to solve the issue.. perhaps you should just drop the mwd and go all tank with cap injectors. You have to relay others to put you into postion on a target enemy when landing from warp etc etc.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus If you think blaster Megas suck, you should try flying a Tempest!
Ehm, Tempest is still a very nice ship. But ofc, you need a **** load of gunnery skills etc to be able to use it good, but not sure if you have any good skills to use a Tempest any good.
Like me, i just need to skill up 2 more skills from level 4 to level 5, then i have maxed all of my skills to a Tempest / Machariel.
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