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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:47:00 -
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No, this is not (quite) patch feedback, so I haven't posted it in the patch feedback thread.
The last possible method to do it (if you had multiple negative standings) just vanished in a puff of logic, classed as exploit fix :
"Declining multiple missions in a row will no longer boost your standing with opposed factions".
So, is really a -5.0 standing with all factions that like eachother supposed to be irreversible ?
No "advanced diplomacy" skill, ni "bribing" skill, no nothing to help you get to AT LEAST a -1.99 effective standing so you can TRY to do some low-quality L1 missions ?
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:53:00 -
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Start a new character
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Namarus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:54:00 -
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In the old days standings decayed with time, to a base of 0.0. However this was removed because people with +9.9 standings lost a huge amount of standing. This caused an outcry and as a result it was removed.
This has left a lot of players who for example started out in empire space doing missions, then want to move to 0.0 and do missions there. However they cannot because their standings are too low with pirate factions.
Something needs to be done to address this.
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Station Dweller
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Station Dweller on 19/06/2007 19:58:03
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:59:00 -
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kill their enemies? if i go around killing gallente NPC ships, do i not get increased caldari standing? killing sanshas raises my standing with CONCORD after all... if not, then they really should make it an option.
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Bob Stuart
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:59:00 -
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The patch notes are confusing, but I read this:
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Agent Mission Improvements
To encourage group participation for tackling agent missions of any difficulty, gang support for missions will also be added, splitting the bounty for success evenly between participants
Missions now have basic gang support. Choosing the ôMe and my gang have completed the missionö option at the end of a mission will cause LP, ISK and Standing rewards to be split equally between up to five people in a gang.
I think it means you could improve your standings by completing a mission that your gangmates have access to?
I.e. if you cannot access any Navy agents, but a corpmate can, then your corpmate gets a mission, and you form a gang to complete it, then get a standings gain at the end, using the gang completion option? Eventually this allows you to access the agents on your own?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:01:00 -
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With the new mission system you can gang with someone else, help them with their missions and get some LP for it.
Enough LP will counter your low standings with a particular agent/corporation, giving you access to the storyline missions and raising your factions.....
Slow, but now possible.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:04:00 -
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The logic is a bit skewed, but then again it's hardly the only skewed logic.
By killing other players, you become an outlaw.
And the only way to repent is by doing NPC-missions/kill NPC:s.
I really hope faction warfare will at least give you the option of a letter of marque, and the opportunity for someone to be legal "in another state".
- Recruitment open again-
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Jacob Castillo
Caldari
Copperhead Inc.
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader
Start a new character
Sadly, this is not an option. If you want to move stuff around in space you can't enter, yea, make an alt quick and move the things through. But if you ever need to live there, your out of luck. 90% of the people playing would not want to give up a character they've played/trained with for the past few months/years. Myself included.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:14:00 -
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Well, I'm not quite sure the new "gang reward" system in Rev2.0 actually splits standings too (and not just ISK/LP).
I did assume that's the case, but after thinking of the "powerlevelling" opportunities that arise if that's actually done with standings too, I'm not so sure.
But if that's the case, yeah, you COULD cooperate with a different character (be it somebody else or just an alt of yours) to help recover some standings.
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Still doesn't help with another issue though.
And that is, the fact that killing ships of "faction A" decreases your standing with A, but does not increase it with A's enemies (as you'd normally expect).
Also, faction standings could go up and down derivatively (with a certain cap both high and low), but now it seems they only go down... further and further down.
Looking at the overall picture, you're eventually bound to end up with a LOT of negative standings and only a small handfull of high ones, if even that many.
We really need some means of "controlling" those negative standings that don't require even worse "exploit-like" behaviour.
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Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rekindle on 19/06/2007 20:21:54
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:18:00 -
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Well you made your bed now sleep in it.
Your argument would be like George Bush suddenlying applying for a job at Hamas HQ. IF youve done that much work for Empire allainces then youve pretty much massacred thousands of pirate NPC ships and done billions in damage so you think they will allow you to join them for a little bit of isk?
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rekindle
don't gank in low sec / hi sec space ?
my god the flame fests some people start when care bear types bring up something opposite to this.
I'm sorry, I think you got the completely WRONG idea.
You're talking about SECURITY STATUS, we're talking about STANDINGS.
While yeah, sec status is actually standing with concord, that was NOT the point of this thread.
Oh, and you HAVE simple means to recove that, beltratting in 0.0 (which also makes you shedloads of ISK anyway).
I did say simple, not easy.
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Tiro Whyte
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:21:00 -
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Rekindle the OP is not talking secuirty status he's taking faction status.
Killing in Low/Hi sec has nothing to do with the OP's Post
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:21:00 -
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There are ways.
A buddy of mine ran so many Minmatar missions that after a while he was very low in his Amarr standings.
So, he ran Caldari missions for a while, which due to the NPC's involved also raised up his standings with the Amarr. IIRC it was all the anti-Gallente missions that did it.
It's all about what you kill.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:25:00 -
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Just don't screw up in the first place? 
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:26:00 -
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You are paying for the consequences of your actions. What's wrong?
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Above comments are my personal views
Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Lufio II
Amarr
Marangrio Space Services Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:27:00 -
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It is quite hard to get all related factions to a pirate faction to such a low standing that you cannot recover. That would basically mean to be on bad terms with all factions in EVE.
Use the Backstory part of this website to look up the friends of the factions/corps you want to fix your standings with. Fly for them and you will also gain standing with the corps factions you can't fly anymore over time. Gaining Faction standings also gains standings for the friends of that faction.
It's hard and time consuming, but you can fix it, almost always (no case to my knowledge where it really was impossible to do).
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Mikal Drey
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:27:00 -
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hey hey
With the advent of faction warfare you are in your bed and lying in the burdock.
iirc the derived modification standing changes only apply to the max standing cap thats shown in each factions likes/dislikes. Shooting faction navy ships drops it further.
Have you tried working for the other faction allies ?
Working for minmatar only drops my caldari standing to -5 and diplomacy should bring me towards -2 and give me the ability to work for caldari agents. working for those missile spitting scumbags will give me a derived modification change towards the amarrian Slime.
Have you tried working for SOE ?
Im not sure if its possible to get storyline missions towards Sisters of EVE but in the past i have worked for them and got small derived modification gains towards amarr/caldari. it would be worth testing this out on SISI or just doing some low level mission for them and watching the standing transaction list.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:31:00 -
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Stop ganking noobs?
Respect concord law?
Rat more often?
More wardec, less impulse?
More 0.0?
On another note, I have a piwate friend who comes to help me on level 4s just to kill BS sized rats to keep his sec rating on check. I guess with the new level 5s in low sec you can do something similar. Any level 5 mission runner would love to have local piwates as friends. Deals could be made. |
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
With the advent of faction warfare you are in your bed and lying in the burdock.
iirc the derived modification standing changes only apply to the max standing cap thats shown in each factions likes/dislikes. Shooting faction navy ships drops it further.
Have you tried working for the other faction allies ?
Working for minmatar only drops my caldari standing to -5 and diplomacy should bring me towards -2 and give me the ability to work for caldari agents. working for those missile spitting scumbags will give me a derived modification change towards the amarrian Slime.
Have you tried working for SOE ?
Im not sure if its possible to get storyline missions towards Sisters of EVE but in the past i have worked for them and got small derived modification gains towards amarr/caldari. it would be worth testing this out on SISI or just doing some low level mission for them and watching the standing transaction list.
SOE now are int the Gallente/Minmatar camp. Interbus is till friendly with all the empire factions but don't give storylines (confirmed by a GM).
I almost sure that reward splitting will be set so that you will not get faction standing, as CCP want the faction wars to come. But it is only my opinion.
Skunk:
currently most of the people that want to recover from very bad standing are people working for the pirate factions and wanting to get level 5 agents, not empire players wanting to get pirate agents (some empire player want to join the pirate faction for sure, but I dubt it is so huge a number).
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
With the advent of faction warfare you are in your bed and lying in the burdock.
iirc the derived modification standing changes only apply to the max standing cap thats shown in each factions likes/dislikes. Shooting faction navy ships drops it further.
Have you tried working for the other faction allies ?
Working for minmatar only drops my caldari standing to -5 and diplomacy should bring me towards -2 and give me the ability to work for caldari agents. working for those missile spitting scumbags will give me a derived modification change towards the amarrian Slime.
Have you tried working for SOE ?
Im not sure if its possible to get storyline missions towards Sisters of EVE but in the past i have worked for them and got small derived modification gains towards amarr/caldari. it would be worth testing this out on SISI or just doing some low level mission for them and watching the standing transaction list.
I worked for soe but unforsnaly not many legal agents only 1
I which there was more agens to soe it hurts to have so few.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ganking noobs?
Respect concord law?
Rat more often?
More wardec, less impulse?
More 0.0?
On another note, I have a piwate friend who comes to help me on level 4s just to kill BS sized rats to keep his sec rating on check. I guess with the new level 5s in low sec you can do something similar. Any level 5 mission runner would love to have local piwates as friends. Deals could be made.
RTFT
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Muon Ji
Amarr
Quantum Leap
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ganking noobs?
Respect concord law?
Rat more often?
More wardec, less impulse?
More 0.0?
OP is concerning Standings, not Sec Status, as already posted.
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Hari Amun
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:38:00 -
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this is about faction standing right?
what about failing story line missions? last time I looked it increased the
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Fable Hike
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:38:00 -
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Did the crime, now do the time
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You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
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Muon Ji
Amarr
Quantum Leap
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Muon Ji on 19/06/2007 20:38:08
Originally by: Hari Amun
this is about faction standing right?
what about failing story line missions? last time I looked it increased the
opposite faction standing.
Try reading the OP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2007 20:39:54
Originally by: Lufio II
It is quite hard to get all related factions to a pirate faction to such a low standing that you cannot recover
Not really.
Casually rat a month in each faction's "home areas" and you're probably below -6 with all of them already.
Derived standings increase/decrease tables
Besides, nobody else but some other pirate factions usually like pirate factions (and other pirate factions actually hate them), so recovering was quite hard, but now impossible.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ganking noobs?
Respect concord law?
Rat more often?
More wardec, less impulse?
More 0.0?
Mong 
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:45:00 -
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so basically, what the OP is asking is this:
i'm the eve equivalent of hannibal lecter, ******, mussolini and pinochet rolled all into one.
But NOW, I wanna be a good guy!
huh? no one likes me? me no get dat!
I mean seriously -> low security standing is there for a reason. if you pod for life and slay millions, you don't deserve a spot in safe space. you are an outlaw.
nobody would have given any of the above people I named a second chance. you don't deserve one either.
stop moaning and live with your actions.
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"LowSec Pirates are like the seagulls in Finding Nemo: instead if "mine! mine!" all they do is yell "gank! gank!" in local."
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