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Gothique Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:48:00 - [301] To get rid of the non-stop locking sound, hit ESC, go to Sound. Disable sound completely (the checkbox, not the volume scroll) then turn it back on. Worked for me. The person doing the same missions over and over again - you are probably doing the same tutorial missions over and over again. Find a real agent that isn't marked "Tutorial". As for the problem at hand... I ran 2 team missions last night, both were combat and both gave bugged standing increase. The solo courier mission i did with the same agent worked fine. The next courier mission that included an encounter (go there and get it for me + a little ambush at the point of destination) was a 0.0 gain.
JKinkaid	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:49:00 - [302] Now that I am watching it, the trend does seem to be as some have mentioned. After DT, you get points for missions but with each successive one, the score gets lower and lower until finally they all give 0.0 until another DT occurs. Hope it gets resolved soonest JKinkaid
Derent Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:54:00 - [303] I think (bear in mind I'm not a dev) that this has to do with the exploit fix where rejecting a mission gave you a standing increase with the factions opposed to the faction you rejected the mission for. If that's the case, they probably can't roll it back to a pre-existing state (as that'd open up the exploit again), and they probably don't want to talk about it much because it's a bug with the exploit fix... that's my conspiracy theory for you. I'm gonna don my tinfoil hat, get in my battleship, and make some loyalty points.
Occara	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:03:00 - [304] Edited by: Occara on 22/06/2007 16:02:25 Well, it really doesn't help that the bug appears fixed for few hours after every downtime. People keep saying oh it's fixed early in the day after each DT, then the people who work during the day log in and say, "umm no". Then you have people who start to say ok, maybe it's random. Not random. Not fixed. It is a function of time after the last downtime. it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15 this. is. getting. old.
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:13:00 - [305] I sent a petition, and got a response saying they are aware of the issue. I will not saying anything more then that, and of course not post exactly what he said. They are working on the problem we just have to allow them time to find the problem in the huge pool of code, and fix the problem as fast as possible, the best way to do that is to continue to send in petitions as long as its still broken. What doesn't help of course is being rude about it :)
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:19:00 - [306] Originally by: WhitePhantom I sent a petition, and got a response saying they are aware of the issue. I will not saying anything more then that, and of course not post exactly what he said. They are working on the problem we just have to allow them time to find the problem in the huge pool of code, and fix the problem as fast as possible, the best way to do that is to continue to send in petitions as long as its still broken. What doesn't help of course is being rude about it :) Nice visor. ----------
Michael Caldar DangerZone Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:19:00 - [307] Originally by: Occara it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15 this. is. getting. old. Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point...
Titus Eisenhorn	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:23:00 - [308] Done one mission and still the same problem. Looking forward to the next shutdown as an escape. Maybe they shouldn't have decreased the patch deployment time? And CCP is really acting now like my government did during Chernobyl, if we don't tell them, maybe they won't notice it, and I really dislike it. CCP please stop being so corporative return back, closer to players. We are ready to help and understand you but only if you respect us.
Garan Tormas Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:29:00 - [309] Originally by: Timmeh 2000 The best way to ensure the development team is aware of a bug is to Petition it. That's a pretty theory. Unfortunately, it isn't working, and that's why this thread is at 11 pages and growing. The response I got, "Agents standings are bugged right now. we are aware of the matter and I hope that it should be solved soon." (emphasis mine). This is a game-breaking bug. It should be stickied in the known-issues forum. There should be an update with an ETA for a fix. Has nobody ever worked in customer-support at CCP? People don't need an instant fix, they need information and to feel that somebody gives a damn. The only Dev at CCP to show a clue in this area so far was the guy responsible for changing the web character api code that Evemon uses. He posted regular updates about what was being done and when we could expect it to work again. It took at least a week, but everybody quieted down because he admitted the issue, took time to explain it, and kept people informed. Is that really too much to ask/expect??????
Helspeth Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:41:00 - [310] It's disconcerting I keep seeing new player thread crop up asking what's wrong with running missions and this still hasn't been fixed. How hard can it be to track down whatever junk code was put in to add diminishing returns on mission standings? Courier missions are flat out 100th of the standing they used to be, and kill missions are 100th then diminish to zero.
Cergorach Amarr The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:52:00 - [311] Could someone advice us how to petition these issues, do i need to create a petition for each mission i don't get the correct standing increase for? Do i need to petition it after each down time, or just after someone at the GM department tells us it is fixed and it isn't? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but i really want to know how to best aproach this issue. The reason i ask is that some Servicedesks want more Incidents regarding certain issues so that the related Problem will get a higher Priority (and thus will be resolved more quickly). On the other hand i can understand that you guys are already pretty bussy with the new Release and don't want even more Incidents to work through.
Alex Shrewd Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:03:00 - [312] Originally by: Garan Tormas This is a game-breaking bug. It should be stickied in the known-issues forum. There should be an update with an ETA for a fix. Has nobody ever worked in customer-support at CCP? People don't need an instant fix, they need information and to feel that somebody gives a damn. Ditto on that, Sir. A very good conclusion of the perfect handling of the problem. What really strikes me as funny is the quote on the first news on top of eve-online.com: Quote: With the enhanced New Player Experience, there's never been a better time to explore the world of EVE.
Last Dalek	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:14:00 - [313] My mains corp runs missions casually. We aren't a macro corp or anything but at any given time normally at least one person will be running a level 4. This bug is really hitting our bottom line hard. Right now folks are off playing with the new scanner and doing other things while they wait for this to get fixed (as everybodies thinking that the standing hit for failing a mission probably didn't get nerfed). Sigh CCP fix this already. As somebody pointed out currently it would take over a decade to work up from a Level 1 agent to a Level 4. This is not good.
Jane Shroud	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:31:00 - [314] Originally by: Michael Caldar Originally by: Occara it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15 this. is. getting. old. Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point... Won't work. Couriers are now broken too, and even immediately after downtime mine were giving less than 1/3 the standings they did yesterday.
Wamb'Ah	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:54:00 - [315] Hi everyone, I'm in trial as for now, and thus have no idea of what it should be like. Can anyone give me what a normal L1 mission should yield in terms of standing increase? I'm getting 0.02% to 0.06%.. ..is that off? I'm really considering a subscription, but if Eve is grinding stupid drone kill missions for weeks before something else pops up.. ..rather not. It would be "nice" (rather mandatory) for CCP to release some kind of known bug news item for this. Kind of sucks if people don't do what you pay them money for.. Thanks a lot!
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:57:00 - [316] From News- Quote: standing bug - fix deployed tomorrow the 23rd reported by GM Ender \| 2007.06.22 17:24:08 \| NEW Greetings dear player, As you may have experienced, we have been dealing with a bug after the Revelations II launch causing no standings to be conferred upon players following missions. The cause has been found and a fix made which will be deployed during downtime tomorrow, the 23rd of June. The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. Best Regards - The EVE Online Team Thank you CCP! ----------
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:58:00 - [317] Originally by: Wamb'Ah Hi everyone, I'm in trial as for now, and thus have no idea of what it should be like. Can anyone give me what a normal L1 mission should yield in terms of standing increase? I'm getting 0.02% to 0.06%.. ..is that off? I'm really considering a subscription, but if Eve is grinding stupid drone kill missions for weeks before something else pops up.. ..rather not. It would be "nice" (rather mandatory) for CCP to release some kind of known bug news item for this. Kind of sucks if people don't do what you pay them money for.. Thanks a lot! You should easily be able to get ten times the standings once this bug is fixed. ----------
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:07:00 - [318] Originally by: Vitrael From News- Quote: standing bug - fix deployed tomorrow the 23rd reported by GM Ender \| 2007.06.22 17:24:08 \| NEW Greetings dear player, As you may have experienced, we have been dealing with a bug after the Revelations II launch causing no standings to be conferred upon players following missions. The cause has been found and a fix made which will be deployed during downtime tomorrow, the 23rd of June. The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. Best Regards - The EVE Online Team Thank you CCP! Well, in that case, the petition category "reimbursement / standings" might as well be removed with that patch too. For technical reasons, of course. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
drackjib	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:20:00 - [319] CCP, thank you for issuing an update and letting us know if our standings would be corrected after the bug fix. And also letting us know the bug fix date. I do really appreciate the update. However, after the comment in the update about your expectations of your players, I feel free to say this as well. In the future, please don't keep your players in the dark. They should be able to expect communications from you on a bug this big and semi-frequent updates, not days after the fact. We're not going to riot if you just keep us updated on an issue this critical. And it doesn't take much time to update us (even though I'm sure devs are exhausted after a patch). As it stands, our expectations due to your track record is that we will continue to discuss amongst ourselves future issues because you are not going to update us.
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:24:00 - [320] Give everyone a .500 standing increase with every agent they have. --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:29:00 - [321] Quote: While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Timeline Redghost Caldari Regnum-Irae	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:33:00 - [322] Originally by: Gothique Mortis To get rid of the non-stop locking sound, hit ESC, go to Sound. Disable sound completely (the checkbox, not the volume scroll) then turn it back on. Worked for me. OT Yes for me too, but the next target it's back again lol, all day disabling enabling sound it's not so fine, btw hopefully they will fix. IT Petitions replyes are always the same, cut / paste. Meanwhile i adviced my corpmates don't do mission until a real patch. It's bugged.
Srvin Taisorgky	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:40:00 - [323] Quote: The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. How about just compensation, say an autographed picture of Miss Iceland 2005 for the mission runners only? Miss Iceland Would give us all "stoic composure and relaxed acceptance."
Smakko Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:50:00 - [324] Originally by: CCP The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. It's possible, but perhaps it might be difficult. CCP's choice of the words "not possible" is either coming from the programmers, who are really saying "it's possible, but it'll be a real PITA to code a retroactive fix", or it's coming from CCP management, who were told the truth by their programmers, but chose to tell the playerbase that a fix was impossible as a way to end discussion of the issue. Originally by: CCP While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. Lawl, is this some jedi mind trick? Here's what you do CCP. You already have code that figures out how much standing to give a player when they complete a mission. Search through the database, and every completed mission since Rev 2 was deployed is looked at by a script. If the standing increase is abnormally low, then the script replaces the old standing reward and recalculates standing for the player. Now, you can say that this would be an unwelcome burden on your development team, or maybe that you expect such a solution to result in another extended downtime while you pull the database off line and parse it for broken standing increases. But the lack of an attempt at fixing this problem indicates a lack of creativity and/or commitment to the playerbase. As far as receiving the news with "stoic composure," this issue isn't really that big of a deal to me. I ran maybe 5-6 lvl 4s since Rev 2, and got zero standing increases. Yes I am annoyed, and since I'm mainly concerned with jump clones, yes, your screwup has wasted my time. But I can easily rerun 5-6 lvl 4s... so I've lost a day and a half of mission running. But the fact that you don't treat it as a big deal, and settled for a half-assed solution is not very inspiring. I think you underestimate how frustrated some new players are, that spent the last couple days grinding missions, trying to get past Lvl 1 agents, and flooded the various chat channels looking for help. Some of those new players ran dozens of Lvl 1 missions before realizing that there was a problem. How many missions are we talking about? I'm guessing maybe 100k at the most. Running a short function 100k times against your db may take 2-3 hours. The script might take half a day to write, another day to test, then you roll it out either during an extended DT, or just run it in the background. Running it in the background might extend the rollout of the fix to 5-6 hours.
Hammerhock	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:52:00 - [325] Here is more for you with fresh data. Interesting enough, the Storyline missions seem to work just fine. Mission Data
Garan Tormas Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:54:00 - [326] Good stuff. I completely understand about not being able to reimburse in this case. I would disagree that "it is not possible". Damned-near anything is possible in software. But given my (limited) understanding of the mechanics, it would take a ludicrous amount of work to do and I am sure the devs have better things to spend their time on It would be more accurate to say "it is not practical" to go back and fix the missing standings. Anyway, looking forward to normality being resumed here.
Occara	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:56:00 - [327] frankly, i don't care about compensation, i just want it to work again ;) I'm a pure combat character, so i'd have to train industrials ;)
Taoism IP II IMI IP my pod	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:05:00 - [328] Edited by: Taoism on 22/06/2007 19:04:35 Originally by: Srvin Taisorgky Quote: The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past. How about just compensation, say an autographed picture of Miss Iceland 2005 for the mission runners only? Miss Iceland Would give us all "stoic composure and relaxed acceptance." lmfao.....nice pic....miss iceland appears to be quite cross-eyed. a programmer in her spare time maybe?
Fastercart Gallente X Project Exile X	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:15:00 - [329] Edited by: Fastercart on 22/06/2007 19:14:42 Originally by: Smakko Lawl, is this some jedi mind trick? These aren't the Standings we're looking for... Move along.
Michael Caldar DangerZone Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:15:00 - [330] Originally by: Jane Shroud Originally by: Michael Caldar Originally by: Occara it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15 this. is. getting. old. Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point... Won't work. Couriers are now broken too, and even immediately after downtime mine were giving less than 1/3 the standings they did yesterday. Dunno mate - everything works fine from where I'm sitting (courier missions that is). Including storylines (both combat and courier)

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