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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vitrael on 20/06/2007 02:33:28
This screenshot was taken from my standings transaction log for Republic Fleet. All missions were completed from the same agent with the same skills. What's wrong here?
Linkage
/me hopes this is not a "feature!"
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Simmith
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:22:00 -
[2]
Did you get any of the new social skill implants?
I have and my standing increases also plummeted, Im not sure if its just a rev2 issue or a bug with any of the implants.
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Idara
Caldari
Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:34:00 -
[3]
Holy crap. Yeah, it's a bug or a really bad feature. I have no implants other than attributes and I just did a Damsel mission, Level 4, and got a 0.17% increase.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:47:00 -
[4]
thats a substantial cut aint it
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:51:00 -
[5]
I'd bug report it if I were you, that just isn't right. I don't even want to waste time doing a mission to see for myself if the standings gains are bugged that badly.
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:57:00 -
[6]
I just realized this bug myself. I have not used any of the new social implants. My standing with Ishukone who I've been working for for quite some time hasn't budged at all today, and here's some comparisons:
Cargo Delivery before 0.51%3 after 0.1277
Silence the Informant before 0.9334% after 0.1166%
Murderer Brought to Justice before 0.4675% after 0.0583%
Smuggler Interception before 0.4826% after 0.0302%
Smuggler Interception before 0.4826% after 0.0038%
The last two were not a typo. I got the same mission back to back, and for some reason the standing I "gained" was SEVERELY diminished within 30 minutes of each other. I'm not sure what's going on here, but I think its pretty obvious that it's a bug.
I'm also not entirely convinced the connection skills are working, my loyalty gain for missions seems to be lower. I'll be able to tell once I get a Blockade mission because that's always been my highest and I know the amount I get.
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Nina Sakamoto
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:03:00 -
[7]
I've noticed a substantial drop in standing increases as well, seem to be getting roughly 50-75% of the standings i used to get pre-rev.
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:04:00 -
[8]
Likewise, take a look at THIS
As you can see theres a few that are giving me 0.0% standings, I DO hope this is a bug, honestly its bad enough that you need to "wait" for your skills and can't do anything to speed them up, if you're going to limit my standings with NPC corps and characters based on how long I pay for my subscription I'm walking.
I really hope this is a bug or a screwup on somone elses part.
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SeigneurDesMysteres
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:07:00 -
[9]
Yah this is horrable, I was hoping to enjoy the sharing of standing increases to help a new friend of mine get to lvl 4 missions quicker but with this standing increase nerf I dont know how a new player will ever get past level 1 missions. This needs to be looked at badly.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:21:00 -
[10]
I have the same problems with lack of standings increases.
Eliminate the Pirate campers:
Before: 0.5572%
After: 0.0004%
That means that I would have to do 1393+ (more since each new mission is calculated from the new standing) times as many missions as before to have the same standings increase.
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Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:27:00 -
[11]
Perhaps its dependant on your personal standing with the corp?
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Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:30:00 -
[12]
 Originally by: Simmith
Did you get any of the new social skill implants?
I have and my standing increases also plummeted, Im not sure if its just a rev2 issue or a bug with any of the implants.
What new social skill implants?!
Description please.
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.20 04:34:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
What new social skill implants?!
Description please.
Have people lost the ability to do things for themselves ? You could log in and have a look yourself,...
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:06:00 -
[14]
Is it possible the standings gains are calculated dynamically the same way as isk and LP rewards? I didn't think they did so previously to this, but I don't think I've ever paid close attention.
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:13:00 -
[15]
Whatever's going on, after viewing the 2 screenshots linked in this thread and looking at my own standing "gain" for the day, standings are currently diminishing in gain, and fast. I did a few more missions and each time the gain diminishes even more. I just did a blockade and got 0.002%, I'm sure in another mission or two I would have been gaining 0.
I really hope this is some sort of bug and not a limitation on standing gain per day, because this is ridiculous.
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Mika Minite
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:44:00 -
[16]
Standing Gains are now suffering stacking penalties!?
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Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.06.20 05:55:00 -
[17]
If this is "working as intended," then Jump Clone corporations now have an impetus to charge more and people grinding for R&D access for datacores are in trouble.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.06.20 06:39:00 -
[18]
Mission rewards after a patch are always low. They "Stabalize" after people run them as the time it takes to do missions adjusts the rewards...
Maybe it adjusts the standing increases too?
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:01:00 -
[19]
The rewards are fine, they only get recalculated if the mission is new or has major changes. It's just the standing increases that are by a factor of 100 too low and eventually get eaten by rounding to 0.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:39:00 -
[20]
Weird. I got the same mission from two idential level and quality agents, but one was 24 Effective Quality and the other 22. The quality 24 one gave 1.708% for part 1 of the mission and 3.9343% for part 2. The quality 22 one gave 0.5934% for the first part and 0.3279% for the second.
What gives?
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aires
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:56:00 -
[21]
Edited by: aires on 20/06/2007 07:55:43
screenshot from my petition:
:(
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gamertrav
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:59:00 -
[22]
Edited by: gamertrav on 20/06/2007 07:59:19
Rabble rabble rabble!
Seriously though, this is really annoying. How do you expect to draw people into low-sec with the new level 5 missions, if it takes them a decade to get standings?
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Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:23:00 -
[23]
Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
What new social skill implants?!
Description please.
Have people lost the ability to do things for themselves ? You could log in and have a look yourself,...
I did and didnŠt find it, thus I ask, did your parents forget to include social skills in your upbringing or is this just one of your bad days?
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Antor Pritcher
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:31:00 -
[24]
Have same problem
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:33:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
What new social skill implants?!
Description please.
Have people lost the ability to do things for themselves ? You could log in and have a look yourself,...
I did and didnŠt find it, thus I ask, did your parents forget to include social skills in your upbringing or is this just one of your bad days?
They are in the LP stores, probably only in some corporation.
There are +1 and +3% implants for LP gains, standing gains, ecc., you will fint implants giving -1% copying time for BPC, research time and so on, some give bonus to mining too.
I want the option to give a description name to my jump clones: crafter - miner and so on, to easly see who I need to wear for the job at hand  .
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Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:35:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
What new social skill implants?!
Description please.
Have people lost the ability to do things for themselves ? You could log in and have a look yourself,...
I did and didnŠt find it, thus I ask, did your parents forget to include social skills in your upbringing or is this just one of your bad days?
They are in the LP stores, probably only in some corporation.
There are +1 and +3% implants for LP gains, standing gains, ecc., you will fint implants giving -1% copying time for BPC, research time and so on, some give bonus to mining too.
I want the option to give a description name to my jump clones: crafter - miner and so on, to easly see who I need to wear for the job at hand .
thx
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ScorpyNZ
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:43:00 -
[27]
This is very wrong. How am I supposed to ever get a jump clone if I am only getting 0.004% & 0.008% per level 3 mission, whereas pre RevII I was getting 1.2% or 0.8%.
At this rate it will be 10 years before I can get a jump clone installed.
At this new rate I need to do 250 missions to get the same increase I used to get in 1.
:: very unhappy indeed :: 
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:46:00 -
[28]
I did a Blockade just after the servers came up and that gave me 4.482%, this morning I got 0.0004 for Duo of Death and 0.0002 for Worlds Collide. So worth it.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:07:00 -
[29]
Thanks for the heads up gentlemen, I guess I'll wait until they sort it out to do a Shipyerd Theft...  I guess I go dig some ice for now.
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HEK Salesman
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:42:00 -
[30]
I have had the same problem with my lvl3 agent. I was rewared only with 0.0001% for "Break Their Will" mission instead of 0.6547% before Revelations II. I've submitted and petition and think it is a good idea not to do any missions before CCP resolves this issue.
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Frozen Buffalo
Limited Access
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:50:00 -
[31]
Same Problem here,
Mission Date: 18th June
Mission: Move the Goods
Standing Value: 0,2368%
Mission Date: 20th June
Mission: move the Goods
Standing Value: 0,0074%
Same Agent, maybe 10 other mission in between, makes no sense to fly Missions atm!
Pls bug fix this asap
Thanks
FB
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K0Swaves
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:45:00 -
[32]
Edited by: K0Swaves on 20/06/2007 11:44:55
I have the same problem as well, I talked with corpmates about it and they were saying there standing gains were normals. I was a bit desperate till I found this thread...
I dont have any implants. But I am running missions for Republic Fleet, maybe thats where the bug is. As it has to ba a bug otherwise it just makes no sens...
Cant wait to hear from CCP about it.
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Simmith
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:32:00 -
[33]
Yesterday a couple of hours after servers came back up I did 3 mission for a new corporation, Level 2 Quality -14 agent:
0.0039%
0.0036%
0.0099%
The last one triggered a Lv2 storyline mission and that one gave what appeared to be normal gains but ofcourse not with the corporation of my choise  .
The Storyline mission gave corp standing with the agents corp:
+5.3316%
The Gallente corp that gives social skill implants (that Ive missioned for) is TransStellar Shipping. Caldari/Amarr/Minmatar equivalent corp probably gives the same.
Almost Right away I got those implants because I thought they would make a nice addition to my missioning career.
Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Consul' PPA-1 = Slot 6, +6 social bonus, +3% social mutator
Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Consul' PPB-1 = Slot 7, +3 negotiationbonus
Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Consul' PPC-1 = Slot 8, 2% to effective standing
Now only slot 10 is empty 
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Antor Pritcher
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:38:00 -
[34]
seems to be ok after dt, made 1 mission for republic fleet so far
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Haurik Tagelston
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:50:00 -
[35]
Yep, seems fixed 
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 14:08:00 -
[36]
Mines not fixed. Did these two missions after DT:
Deadly Arrival - 0.097%
Unauthorized Military Presence - .247%
Pre-Rev2 I had-
Deadly Arrival - .3857%
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:12:00 -
[37]
Not fixed, got 0.56% for Damsel in Distress, that was 4.48% pre-patch. Seems to deteriorate the longer the server is up.
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Antor Pritcher
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:50:00 -
[38]
right :( got 0.0077 for blockade
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Memnoch Obsidian
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:51:00 -
[39]
Bugged for me also - filed a petiotion. Just did the Illegal Activity quest with 0.0842 and 0.0103 for part 2 & 3..... Part 1 seemed OK - for some unknown reason
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.20 16:12:00 -
[40]
This is NOT fixed. Check the screenshot below for details.
EVIDENCE
As you can see the red section is before DT, my first post, the green section shows a hauling mission from the same agent that interrupts the 0.0% standing rewards.
Later on the orange section shows AFTER downtime, notice the two blue sections, identical missions, same agent, rewards decaying amazingly fast.
Can we get a CCP response on this, if this is a stealth nerf then I for one am not happy about this.
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.20 16:20:00 -
[41]
As the above said, this is definitely not fixed, and extremely annoying.
Would be nice to get some sort of post here confirming this being looked at and is a bug and not intended. At this rate I'll be getting 0.01 faction every other day at best.
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:18:00 -
[42]
I guess I'll go back to Mining....
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Lilja
Caldari
Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:36:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Lilja on 20/06/2007 17:36:39
Just did quite a few missions, and wondered why I didn't get any standing increase. And all missions gave me 0.0% so nothing. This have to be a bug, can't be anything other.
Edit: I just got a reply from a GM, they are aware of this and will fix this as soon as they can. |
Anglachel83
Caldari
Shintaisei
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:38:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Anglachel83 on 20/06/2007 17:38:20
Originally by: Helspeth
Would be nice to get some sort of post here confirming this being looked at and is a bug and not intended.
yeah it would very nice
Originally by: Lilja
Edit: I just got a reply from a GM, they are aware of this and will fix this as soon as they can.
just in time :P
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Popcorn Inside
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:42:00 -
[45]
Yea Things seam borked bean doing lvl3s and the standing increases are worse then lvl 1 agents :/
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Mycroft Kencyrath
Gallente
Standard Ore
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:48:00 -
[46]
Ugh, this sucks. Its gonna take forever to get a second COSMOS faction BS (going for Minmatar now). On the other hand, if this is a "feature as intended" I can jack up the prices on POS placement and jump clone installation services.
Muhahaha!
"Are you an angel? Aw, I'm just kidding. That's the worst line I've ever used. Hope some poor kid doesn't start using it."
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:49:00 -
[47]
I am having the same problem, the last 4 missions I ran gave a 0.0 standings increase.
Explosion Matrix: Nostrum Nomen est Ridiculum |
The'Chosen
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:52:00 -
[48]
The problem is now well documented - could a dev please post here confirming if this is a bug or not? I'd like to know if I'm giving up missioning for good or just temporarily.
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Lilja
Caldari
Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: The'Chosen
The problem is now well documented - could a dev please post here confirming if this is a bug or not? I'd like to know if I'm giving up missioning for good or just temporarily.
It is a bug, and they are aware of it. I posted this in this thread 30 minutes ago |
Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:11:00 -
[50]
New gamers and old switching faction will have to grind crap-missions for months to get to level III lol
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Hugh Hefner
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:12:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Lilja
Originally by: The'Chosen
The problem is now well documented - could a dev please post here confirming if this is a bug or not? I'd like to know if I'm giving up missioning for good or just temporarily.
It is a bug, and they are aware of it. I posted this in this thread 30 minutes ago
ahh thx, missed that :)
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Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:38:00 -
[52]
I'm also having issues... ran l3 blockade before the patch, got 2.9325% for it. Post patch l3 blockade, a whopping 0.0057% boost to standing. I put in a petition about it last night but I really don't want to do missions since I'm grinding for the npc corp to boost my corp's standings with them... not much sense in missioning when I'm not even crawling towards my goal *sigh*
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William Alex
Viscosity
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:41:00 -
[53]
I really hope this isn't the 'fix' to the mining imbalance.
Please give us a 1 depth skill queue CCP.
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Wasted Mind
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:43:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Wasted Mind on 20/06/2007 18:42:03
Do we know if this is a bug or nerf yet? Mine isnt fixed and i have done ten missions now (internal security) and not gained a single point in my federation navy standing. =/
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Lilja
Caldari
Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:46:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Wasted Mind
Edited by: Wasted Mind on 20/06/2007 18:42:03
Do we know if this is a bug or nerf yet? Mine isnt fixed and i have done ten missions now (internal security) and not gained a single point in my federation navy standing. =/
Ok, I've said it two times in this thread already but I can say it again. A GM answered my petition saying they were aware of this bug and will adress it as soon as they can. |
SeigneurDesMysteres
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:51:00 -
[56]
Add "Free Beer and Boobies Inside" to the topic name so we can get a DEV responce :)
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lilja
Originally by: Wasted Mind
Edited by: Wasted Mind on 20/06/2007 18:42:03
Do we know if this is a bug or nerf yet? Mine isnt fixed and i have done ten missions now (internal security) and not gained a single point in my federation navy standing. =/
Ok, I've said it two times in this thread already but I can say it again. A GM answered my petition saying they were aware of this bug and will adress it as soon as they can.
Don't take offence to it Lilja, people just want to see the yellow bar here aknowledging that this is either a bug / "feature" by a DEVELOPER, not second infromation from a random GM.
But yes, CCP please? Your bug reporting section of the website is down so can somone please come here and tell us what the deal is or tell us if you are AWARE of this "change".
As many have said allready, do we quit our missions now for a few days or forever?
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:02:00 -
[58]
I have also petitioned this but have not yet received a response. For one, I don't want to wait a week or two (I imagine petitions are swamped with rev2 release) to run missions again. Hopefully a dev will notice this thread with the new title.
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Sombra Escarlate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:30:00 -
[59]
 IŠve made several missions today. Some of them gave mi 0.00% standings. That is unacceptable.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:06:00 -
[60]
Did two storylines. Log shows a 8% increase for each one, standings were completely unaffected.
Corporate standing shot up by 24%.
I guess I should consider myself lucky. If the gains did go through I'd be locked out of ever working for Caldari and Amarr again. Considering they've got the * GOOD * stuff in the LP stores... Shudder.
Hope this gets fixed soon, gotta get to work torpedoing my gallente and minmatar standings and grinding Caldari Navy.
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ScorpyNZ
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:17:00 -
[61]
I sent a bug reprt to ccp, we need some clear signal to let us know when this is fixed, otherwise how do we know when we can start running missions again.
But patience everyone, we expected bugs after the patch, at least the game play is still there, and there is still heaps of things you can do other than missions.
Why are pirates so scary.....They just arghhh 
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UPA Terf
Warp Riders
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:41:00 -
[62]
Yeah ive been running level 3's for about 6 hours now... and only just noticed...massive waste of time
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Muon Ji
Amarr
Quantum Leap
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:02:00 -
[63]
Has anyone had a response from a petition yet?
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mikeni
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:19:00 -
[64]
I got the answer from my petition right now:
Quote:
Hello,
It seems that a bug managed to sneak in with the patch and it's effecting standing raises, but we're hoping that this will be fixed very soon.
We do apologize for the inconvenience.
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1Reykjavik1
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:20:00 -
[65]
I just received confirmation that it is a bug {whew!}.
Here is the response I got from the petition:
Hello,
It seems that a bug managed to sneak in with the patch and it's effecting standing raises, but we're hoping that this will be fixed very soon.
We do apologize for the inconvenience.
Best regards,
GM Markab
Eve Online Customer Support
Would you like to open the petition?
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:22:00 -
[66]
I got the same response today.
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:28:00 -
[67]
Yeah but that's entirely not good enough. There needs to be some real official acknowledgement of the problem, and an ETA for the fix. There should at least be a news item, letting everyone know that missions are totally buggered. A lot of people probably don't even realize that there is something wrong.
I'm not even bothering to run missions until this is fixed.
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Mr Fledermaus
Gallente
Munich Global Activities
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Posted - 2007.06.20 22:28:00 -
[68]
Same Problem here.
I compared standing increase of 2 identical missions at same Agent before and after patch.
This can't be correct to have more as 7% difference.
I sent a Bug Report, but hope like you all, that a GM will respond to this issue.
Theres allways someone who knows more....
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.06.20 22:59:00 -
[69]
does it happen with low standings as well?
f.ex.
you have 9.0 standing and you gain 1% standing increase..
this means you get (10-9)*0.01 increase in absolute numbers.
so mb now it shows absolute increases instead of relative as it did before?
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Drudenhaus
Caldari
Initrode
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:01:00 -
[70]
Now will a 'fix' be retroactive to the standing increases we recieved while it was bugged?
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:02:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Drudenhaus
Now will a 'fix' be retroactive to the standing increases we recieved while it was bugged?
I really doubt that. That would make for some very, very serious database editing.
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Drudenhaus
Caldari
Initrode
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Drudenhaus
Now will a 'fix' be retroactive to the standing increases we recieved while it was bugged?
I really doubt that. That would make for some very, very serious database editing.
Not sure how they manage their database, but in SQL you could write a query to modify all missions from a certain time frame assuming you have all the data. *shrugs*
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Flarfian
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:13:00 -
[73]
It looks like standings increases start near normal then go to zero the more you run. A record of which missions you did in what order should be in the database so it should be a simple procedure to automatically fix all of the standings increases by the appropriate amount. By hand it would be a pain but with the right formula applied to the right query it is doable. Once they determine what is wrong with the current formula they can reverse the problem and fix all of the existing affected standing increases. I hope this is their intent...
The other way to go about it is I'm sure they know what the intended standing gain is for mission X level Y so they can fix your standing increases that way also.
However, the longer this problem exists the more variables there are. What were your social skills at the time of a certain mission. Did you have any mission reward enhancing implants for some missions but not others (you got podded sometime in between or clone jumped). Did you get rewards for your mission split with gang members, etc, etc. I hope for all of our sake this is resolved quickly unless they have a way to account for all of the variables which change as people skill up, add implants, etc.
An official response with whether standing increases will be reimbursed or not and a general time frame (I expect it to be fixed as fast as they possibly can since this is a major bug) would be nice.
Thanks for all of the parts of the expansion that do work well. Can't win them all but happy they are trying :)
Flar
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:18:00 -
[74]
Servers are down for an emergency hotfix, here's to hoping.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:28:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Vitrael
Servers are down for an emergency hotfix, here's to hoping.
Indeed 
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:46:00 -
[76]
I don't think they store the standing increase history for all time, it looks like it's getting wiped periodically. so no worries :)
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OwnedBy Me
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
[77]
i want my standings gain from the day.. Luckly i only did 7 missions today but its still not that funny..
Let hopes thats the emergensy shutdown is for :)
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Zulana Chas
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:07:00 -
[78]
Actually having a minimal impact to standing might not be a bad thing
I agree if you are trying to raise standing and all you can look forward to would be the LP points it might be a let down, but if the bug not only effects the standing you receive but also lose , well then this is not a bad time maybe to beat down those navy ships of the opposite faction you might have been avoiding up until now due to standing hits!
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Racso Lluecks
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:33:00 -
[79]
Did the Emergency patch fix this?
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Big Fuzz
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:49:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Racso Lluecks
Did the Emergency patch fix this?
I just ran lvl 4 Unauthorized Military Presence. Standing gain was split evenly between me & gangmate: 1.2664% each (x2 = 2.5328% total).
Pre-patch gain for me alone = 2.5385%
Maybe it's rounding? Maybe people who were thinking that gains are decreasing as servers are up are correct also, as I finished this pretty soon after servers came up.
As more people have data it'll become pretty obvious.
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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.21 01:58:00 -
[81]
I don't think any recent patch fixed it, I just did a mission with 0.0003% standing gain (lv3 Retribution). I guess I should count myself lucky I only wasted 'two missions' (and lost about 3% increase "only").
This must be a bug since corporation standings are now freezed - they were not increasing fast before, but now they are completly stale.
Since the consensus is it is a bug, I just wonder what they were tweaking...
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Big Fuzz
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:03:00 -
[82]
To make it clear I turned in lvl 4 Damsel in Distress aout an hour before the servers just came down -- same agent that gave me UMP. I got a .0002% increase (x2 because it was split with gangmate).
So something happened during the time TQ went down.
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fuggoff
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:05:00 -
[83]
Edited by: fuggoff on 21/06/2007 02:07:09
Edited by: fuggoff on 21/06/2007 02:06:52
*nevermind*
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:14:00 -
[84]
Yeah, I have been having the same problem as well. I noticed the problem when I went to work for a new corp (went to caldari navy from the amarr navy and after about 10 missions I did not even have the Caldari Navy listed in my Liked By tab. I then moved to an old lvl 2 agent and ran a few missions with NO gain at all. I have totally stopped running missions until they have this fixed. A Dev in the help channel told me it was fixed today so i tried a mission and still no luck. Make sure you inform all your corp mates about the issue.
Cheers :)
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fuggoff
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:21:00 -
[85]
Yea on your charector info standing page... right click the corp in question...
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Drudenhaus
Caldari
Initrode
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:28:00 -
[86]
Slightly better, but still sucking? The most recent two were done after the emergency downtime. Third from the top was between the patch and the emergency downtime today. Everything below that is pre-patch.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/Galaine/faction-gains.jpg
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 02:59:00 -
[87]
After today's patch, I tried a mission. According to "Show Transactions," I received:
2007.06.21 02:33 The Seven's Prison Facility 0.175%
Looking back on the same mission, I received:
2007.06.14 20:14 The Seven's Prison Facility 1.051%
2007.06.14 16:08 The Seven's Prison Facility 1.051%
That's an 83% decrease (or one-sixth of the old standing gain) from what I use to receive. So, something is still very wrong.
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Marlyn Sarvik
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Posted - 2007.06.21 03:03:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Fastercart
After today's patch, I tried a mission. According to "Show Transactions," I received:
2007.06.21 02:33 The Seven's Prison Facility 0.175%
Looking back on the same mission, I received:
2007.06.14 20:14 The Seven's Prison Facility 1.051%
2007.06.14 16:08 The Seven's Prison Facility 1.051%
That's an 83% decrease (or one-sixth of the old standing gain) from what I use to receive. So, something is still very wrong.
Do another 3-4 missions and you should notice a decline. Oddly enough, the 'normal' standings gain seemed to apply to the first mission I did after the quickfix. They've since been subject to diminishing returns, to the point where the gains are 0.000X again.
It looks like some kind of broken equation has sneaked through the patch.
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NIkis
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.21 03:55:00 -
[89]
Edited by: NIkis on 21/06/2007 03:55:18
yea the hotfix wasn't applied for this
standing gains are still borked (and first mission I done after server got up gave me 0.85% as opposed to 3.41% which was the norm pre-rev 2)
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:43:00 -
[90]
Are the standing increases going to be fixed retroactively?
Or just a "We're sorry, should work now, thanks for paying"?
Silly me, I didn't check the Missions forum before working on corp standing for jump clones...
Note to self: remember to check the (whatever) forum before I do (whatever) after patch day.
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Max Tesla
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:06:00 -
[91]
I have done for levle 4 missions after the patch and all 4 have given me 0.0% is this a bug or is it meant to be like this?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:09:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Flarfian
It looks like standings increases start near normal then go to zero the more you run.
To me it seem that it tend to go to zero with the total number of missions run after DT, not the character number of missions. Yesterday I had done only 1 mission and my standing increase was 0.0 .
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Epoch
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:23:00 -
[93]
same issue here.
lvl 4 The Score = 0.0003% increase
lvl 4 Smuggler Interception = 0.0047% increase
I petitioned too.. will most likely get the same response as the rest of you. but lets try and keep this thread uptop until we get an official response or the issue is rectified - which will probably be soon.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:26:00 -
[94]
Not exactly. Level 3 missions:
89 LP: 0.5172 %
210 LP: 0.1132 %
640 LP: 0.1649 %
89 LP: 0.3983 %
67 LP: 0.3709 %
89 LP: 0.5172 %
210 LP: 0.0135 %
Don't ask me. It follows no sort of mathematical pattern that I can find. The closest thing I can find to a pattern is that larger Loyalty Point rewards - the ones over 100 - tend to result in randomly low standing increases, decreasingly randomly low as the night wears thin.
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Kosakova Intrinnae
Minmatar
DEATH IINDUSTRIES
SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:55:00 -
[95]
ive noticed something that could explain stuff :)
when i did a lvl 4 mission and accpeted it asa group ( to get my alt onto lvl 4s quicker ) i and it only got a very very small % increase 0.004 but when i completed it solo i got normal amount 0.5%-4%.
i can udnertaand reducing the standing increase for gangs but why by 100 fold? 10 fold would be much better imo maybe its just a bug as some accidently added another 0 to the calcuations :)
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Nina Sakamoto
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:44:00 -
[96]
Even when not in a gang, some ppl get next to no standing increases. But I guess it does help to explain a little.
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OwnedBy Me
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:49:00 -
[97]
Did the hotfix at 12:00 eve time fix it ?
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Abil
Generation X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:52:00 -
[98]
No it did not!.
I have been running missions this morning and have had next to no increase.
0.0 increase from 'stop the thief'
0.0 increase from 'silence the informant'
both missions not done in a gang .. both done solo.
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Inquisitor Berthez
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:59:00 -
[99]
Feed the standings hamster!
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Lost VoiceV
Amarr
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:27:00 -
[100]
:))
I was pretty unlucky . Exactly after the new patch has applied i started doing missions i had a 4.83 standing and needed 5.00 for a good agent . I started doing missions in gangs , alone was looking at the standings was thinking that they would apply after a few missions :)) . After 6 or 7 long missions i watched the transactions :)) My last 2 missions gave me 0.0 :)) Let's hope this will get fixed soon . I want my standings :)
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Zao Bader
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:37:00 -
[101]
Having the same problems.
Ran Pirate invasion a few weeks back and gained 2.4% standing,
Ran it last night and got 0.03%.
BUT!!!!!! I also recieved a level 4 storyline mission yesterday, just a courier one and gained 23% standing, no typo really 23%!!!!
Wonder if this is just completely screwed or meant to be this way now. Didn't see anything in the patch notes regarding this so must be screwed.
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OwnedBy Me
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:32:00 -
[102]
I just hope CCP has a way to set the standings lost because of the bug..
Now i cant run lvl 1 missions as i dont want to do lvl 1 missions for nothing.. Im not doing if for the money :)..
But for the standings so i can get a lvl 2 and on lvl 3 and so on.
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K'thang
Gallente
Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:08:00 -
[103]
We're all in the same huge boat here. I wonder how big percentage of EVEs population is mission runners, but I would wager it is quite a few. Thus it has probably occured to the Dev's that fixing this bug should be a high priority. At least I hope so.
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Kaijun
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:48:00 -
[104]
Same thing here. 0.0 standing increases after Rev II patch. I'm a Missioneer so until this is fixed i'm lost for something to do (Got storyline mission waiting too) :/
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:01:00 -
[105]
I did two missions this morning, same problem as every poster above, but after the down time i'm getting relatively normal corp standing increases. It might be premature to scream "FIXED!", but maybe some folks could double check?
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mikeni
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:08:00 -
[106]
I'm getting normal standings after dt aswell.
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:21:00 -
[107]
It'd be nice if the devs addressed this in some way shape or form. Was there a bug? Is it fixed? Will it be retroactive?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:22:00 -
[108]
There sure are a lot of  in this thread.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:38:00 -
[109]
Well, i've had a petition response that acknowledged there is a bug, and a corpmate had one that acknowledged the bug AND the GM said he is afraid the lost standing might not be recoverable because he is afraid the tools they have don't allow it to be fixed.
Which leaves me with two questions:
1) why does the petition category "reimbursement/standings" exist when you can't manipulate standings with it?
2) is CCP intentionally screwing over mission runners? If you are at 9.9 you don't really care, but if you work towards a higher level agent, maybe in 0.0 even, you are screwed. Plain simple screwed. And there is no news announcement or anything of that sort. Some way of communicating to non-forum readers that standing gains are broken.
My other char stays docked. I won't risk my ship in 0.0 for 100k isk, 80 LP and 0.0% standings gain (yes, 0.2 away from a level 2 agent....)
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Reiid Malenfant
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:54:00 -
[110]
Hummmm..... im getting a bit nervous cause ccp isnt talking official bout it, still less increase, i actually got a 0.3379% for a silence the informant and it seems to drop at each mission i do in a row :(( DT hasnt changed anything...
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Remedios Sonrisa
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:04:00 -
[111]
Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
2) is CCP intentionally screwing over mission runners? If you are at 9.9 you don't really care, but if you work towards a higher level agent, maybe in 0.0 even, you are screwed. Plain simple screwed. And there is no news announcement or anything of that sort. Some way of communicating to non-forum readers that standing gains are broken.
While CCP has clearly stated that EVE is a PVP-centric game and have repeatedly hampered mission runners, I think the current situation is just a bug. There are probably a slew of other bugt that they are also trying to fix. I suspect we will hear about this issue pretty soon. I do feel sorry for those of you who are trying to gain standings asap (who wants to wallow in L1s and L2s forever?).
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mikeni
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:19:00 -
[112]
Got another 0.0% standing "increase" right now :S.
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Mingus Dew
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:28:00 -
[113]
Same problem for me. I've compelted 6 missions since the patch and received 0.0 standings gain.
Im keeping this toon docked until they correct the problem or announce this is how it works now. Either way, not worth risking a 2billion CNR.
Ming
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CCP Keridwen
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:31:00 -
[114]
Agents had a hangover from their day off during Revelations II patch deployment, they have now recovered and are not grumpy any more. We blame jealousy towards the new level 5 agents for their misbehavior.
Game mechanically speaking, average mission completion time was being recalculated. Unfortunately could not be avoided.
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Remedios Sonrisa
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:36:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Remedios Sonrisa on 21/06/2007 14:34:34
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Game mechanically speaking, average mission completion time was being recalculated. Unfortunately could not be avoided.
Thanks, Keridwen. Will the standings that were unexpectedly nerfed be adjusted retroactively?
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CCP Tryphon
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:46:00 -
[116]
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Agents had a hangover from their day off during Revelations II patch deployment, they have now recovered and are not grumpy any more. We blame jealousy towards the new level 5 agents for their misbehavior.
Game mechanically speaking, average mission completion time was being recalculated. Unfortunately could not be avoided.
Keridwen is a n00b with no gold bars... but I thought I'd give this thread some gold bars, to show it's had a Dev response
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Edsel
Dominus Nihil Development
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:49:00 -
[117]
Gold bars are great.. But when is this likely to be fixed?
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:51:00 -
[118]
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Agents had a hangover from their day off during Revelations II patch deployment, they have now recovered and are not grumpy any more. We blame jealousy towards the new level 5 agents for their misbehavior.
Game mechanically speaking, average mission completion time was being recalculated. Unfortunately could not be avoided.
Ok so we finally got a GM and a dev reply, but now can we get two very simple questions answered.
1) When will this be fixed?
2) Will all of those that petition our lack of standings get them reimbursed?
If you could just answer all of those and skip the RP stuff about hangovers that'd be fantastic.
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CCP Keridwen
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:58:00 -
[119]
Originally by: CCP Tryphon
Keridwen is a n00b with no gold bars... but I thought I'd give this thread some gold bars, to show it's had a Dev response
I have crafted a carefully witty retort to that that you have already read, unfortunately I would have to moderate myself if I posted it.
to the fixmobile!
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CCP Keridwen
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:30:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Galmar Grief
1) When will this be fixed?
Things should be back to "normal" now.
We hope the benefits of the new features far outweigh the time it took to adjust the average mission completion timer.
Yes, I carefully avoid to answer your second question as it is not mine to answer.
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:41:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Vitrael on 21/06/2007 15:42:46
Thanks, Keridwen and Tryphon.
Personally I could care less about reimbursement for 2 days missions (I stopped because I saw it was bugged) and am just happy things are resolved.
However I'd like to verify that everything is working. Unfortunately I'm at work and it will be a while, we'll see how other posters fare...
Edit: Posters... not posers
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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:42:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Originally by: Galmar Grief
1) When will this be fixed?
Things should be back to "normal" now.
Um. I just completed a l3 and I got a 0.0272% from it; three previous couriers yesterday show up as 1.088%. I wouldn't call this normal...
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Disteeler
Moritso Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:43:00 -
[123]
oh you can fix it in real time? or it was fixed during the down time? thx o/
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Runix Nightwalker
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:50:00 -
[124]
Thank you for the response! But . . .
Is this an instant fix, or a not-until-downtime fix, or is it a fix that will require a bit to "warm up", e.g., will a bunch of hapless mission-runners have to complete some missions before the numbers adjust to correct levels? Any clarification would be appreciated . . .
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Sae Eha
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:50:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Disteeler
oh you can fix it in real time? or it was fixed during the down time? thx o/
They didn't fix anything, supposedly the mission completion times were calculated anew for all missions, normaly this only applies to new missions.
As far as I can tell it isn't back to normal just yet (lvl4 Venegance and a 5 min curier mission both give 0,4%?!) and I got to wonder why this didn't affect ISK and LP payouts.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:06:00 -
[126]
Things not back to normal:( Just ran Eliminate pirate campers lvl 2 pre patch 0.37 post patch 0.0032.???
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:07:00 -
[127]
For the GM team / Bughunters / Devs reading this ...
THIS IS NOT FIXED!
Ok the standing gain / loss isn't immediate, you have to do about 5/6 missions AFTER downtime or a server restart for the bug to start to come into play, its a gradual decline, you might do 4/5 missions with a pretty normal standings increase/decrease, after that the standings will plummet into 0.00x% gains, then down to 0.0000x% and then finally it'll just read as 0.0%.
I'm not sure how far you are testing but it takes more then one mission to take affect, please see the screenshot I attatched earlier to look at this HERE.
Guys as I said this is NOT fixed and the bug is STILL happening, realistically we can only do 5-6 missions per agent before we no longer gain standings.
At the "fixing this stuff team" please recheck what you think you've fixed.
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Digaxector
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:07:00 -
[128]
Just did The Rogue Slave Trader (1 of 2) and Downing the Slavers (2 of 2) and got a whopping 0.0% increase on both of them, for both me and my gang member.
Yesterday we did the Smuggler Interception mission, and both got 0.2402%
So still bugged ... (no matter what - 0.0% increase is a bug!)
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:11:00 -
[129]
Or a nerf:(
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Waterfowl Democracy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:12:00 -
[130]
Running Massive Attack (L3) solo gave me ~1.2% whereas running Stop the Thief! as a gangmember gave me 0.0003% and the same to the gangleader. Perhaps that's the issue, standings increases are screwed up when you use the new 'My Gang Completed' button.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:14:00 -
[131]
No, I've been running missions solo. This is most annoying not to mention time wasting.
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Fetischka
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:18:00 -
[132]
Sorry for the NOOB question, but where do I see my standings log increases at? Been running missions, noticed my standings werent increasing, and that brought me here. I'd like to see if this is happening to me too.
THX!
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:21:00 -
[133]
Open your character window, select standings, scroll down till you see the corporation that you are doing missions for and right click, select transactions.
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Andreas Kallesoee
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:23:00 -
[134]
0.0375% for a lvl 3 mission is not fixed sorry guys but get it RIGHT thanks
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glennkari
Gallente
Lions Club
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:27:00 -
[135]
As others have said.. this is still not fixd.
Did 4 lvl 3 missions. got 0.002% and 0.0015% for the last 2 and only around 0.02 for the first 2.
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MrShmowza
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:42:00 -
[136]
Yep, .00xx gains from Technological Secrets pt 1.
Balls. 
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Bat'Leth
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:47:00 -
[137]
This was my petition in game. Enjoy :)
I am getting NO rep gain from any mission I run. Not for the amarr navy or the caldari navy. I am formally requesting that CCP make a news alert about a possible bug so mission running players are not wasting their time running missions. Also, there has been a large public outcry in regards to this and several other bugs found and to date there has been no public response from CCP in regards to these suspected bugs. The rep issue needs to be resolved asap or CCP will start losing players. There is no doubt that if the issue is not resolved before my payment cycle is comes back around in about a week, that I will NOT be renewing my membership. Please work on this issue if you guys are not already, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put out a notice, easy to find for all players, stating that there are a few known bugs, list what they are and what the problem is, and give us some kind of estimate as to how long this might take, not simply "we are working on it and we hope to have the issue resolved soon"
Thank you in advance
Bat'Leth
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Brazero
Amarr
Noble House
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:52:00 -
[138]
I just did a lvl3 Blockade to see if things were fixed, the result was a 0.0066 increase.
I can't remember what I used to get from this agent, but it was way more than this. And I do have all social skills pretty much maxed, and a clean +10 standing to both agent and corp, so it sure looks borked atm.
Quote:
<tuxford> Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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CCP Keridwen
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:54:00 -
[139]
Hi,
If you can please find standing entries that have a date later than downtime today 12:00 eve time 21st of june 2007 that you feel are way off normal please do not hesitate to file a bug report at bugs.eve-online.com including details about agent, mission and time/date of mission completion.
If the completion date is prior to downtime today - it falls in the "recalculation time" zone.
Thank you for your concern.
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Bat'Leth
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:03:00 -
[140]
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Hi,
If you can please find standing entries that have a date later than downtime today 12:00 eve time 21st of june 2007 that you feel are way off normal please do not hesitate to file a bug report at bugs.eve-online.com including details about agent, mission and time/date of mission completion.
If the completion date is prior to downtime today - it falls in the "recalculation time" zone.
Thank you for your concern.
Still not aknowleging that there is a major issue and it seems like you guys are still hoping people will shut up and deal with some form of "recalculation" period. If this is how its going to be for the next patch, i plan on just stopping my account before the patch and not coming back for 2-3 months so everything has time to adjust and I am not wasting my money to play a game that I can not enjoy.
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Cordella Crystalis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:06:00 -
[141]
This bug still exist,
Please look at my Screen shot my standings here with the Federation Navy that has been completed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Igg123/Standings.jpg
The top 2 mission today were completed post DT where it was supposed to be fixed but still goes on.
Can we get any confirmations?
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Shining Shadow
Business Associates
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:11:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Bat'Leth
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
Hi,
If you can please find standing entries that have a date later than downtime today 12:00 eve time 21st of june 2007 that you feel are way off normal please do not hesitate to file a bug report at bugs.eve-online.com including details about agent, mission and time/date of mission completion.
If the completion date is prior to downtime today - it falls in the "recalculation time" zone.
Thank you for your concern.
Whaa buhuhu whaaa
Sounds like you're in serious need of a break if no standing gain for a couple days is so terrible that you can't play. Why don't you contract your toys to me and jump on back to WoW?
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eleuthereus
Gallente
The Wild Hunt
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:11:00 -
[143]
Originally by: CCP Keridwen
If you can please find standing entries that have a date later than downtime today 12:00 eve time 21st of june 2007 that you feel are way off normal please do not hesitate to file a bug report .....
er, uhm, maybe you missed this from above ___
Posted - 2007.06.21 16:07:00 - [127] - Quote
For the GM team / Bughunters / Devs reading this ...
THIS IS NOT FIXED!
Ok the standing gain / loss isn't immediate, you have to do about 5/6 missions AFTER downtime or a server restart for the bug to start to come into play, its a gradual decline, you might do 4/5 missions with a pretty normal standings increase/decrease, after that the standings will plummet into 0.00x% gains, then down to 0.0000x% and then finally it'll just read as 0.0%. I'm not sure how far you are testing but it takes more then one mission to take affect, please see the screenshot I attatched earlier to look at this HERE.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
The Wild Hunt
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:18:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Bat'Leth
Still not aknowleging that there is a major issue and it seems like you guys are still hoping people will shut up and deal with some form of "recalculation" period. If this is how its going to be for the next patch, i plan on just stopping my account before the patch and not coming back for 2-3 months so everything has time to adjust and I am not wasting my money to play a game that I can not enjoy.
Bat, with all due respect, chill. I'm not sure howlong you have been playing, but this is normal for patches -- I have lived thru several. The devs/GMs can only test so many things using like 10 guys flying around on the servers. It is impossible to duplicate many things without the full Eve community -- even then, bugs, glitches, errors, and other oopsies will be present for a while, until several hot fixes are deployed as CCp figures out how to correct various codes and such. So, be patient, it hasn't even been 24 hours since the scheduled patch server's up time (2:00 GMT yesterday).
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:19:00 -
[145]
Standing increase seems to be a hundredth of what we would normally get IE normally for a lvl 2 mission I would expect .3% increase but am only getting .003%. This is an average from the 5 missions I have done since DT today and compared against the average from the same number of missions done pre patch.
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Taoism
IP II IMI IP my pod
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:24:00 -
[146]
well, my two cents to keep this near the top. the issue is not fixed. standings increases are still FUBAR. nor are the lag issues. so much for the "need for speed initiative". lag is just as bad or worse than ever from what i have seen since the patch.
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Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:29:00 -
[147]
I am still experiencing these issues. My storyline mission today boosted as normal, but regular missions are not. Funny since last night (06:15) I ran a mission and got my normal standings boost once (2.8), but then it went back to the 0.004 range.
It's good that CCP has at least posted that they know about the issue, but, um, the "fix" didn't stick.
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:29:00 -
[148]
Here ya go DEVs/GMs I ran this mission just for you guys so you can see... Look at the mission timer, you will see I went and ran this mission soon after you told me to get a screenie for proof. I do not personally like the bug reporting system, but i have already put one up there as well.
your screenie is here
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Bat'Leth
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:42:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Bat''Leth on 21/06/2007 17:42:54
Edited by: Bat''Leth on 21/06/2007 17:42:00
Quote:
Bat, with all due respect, chill. I'm not sure howlong you have been playing, but this is normal for patches -- I have lived thru several. The devs/GMs can only test so many things using like 10 guys flying around on the servers. It is impossible to duplicate many things without the full Eve community -- even then, bugs, glitches, errors, and other oopsies will be present for a while, until several hot fixes are deployed as CCp figures out how to correct various codes and such. So, be patient, it hasn't even been 24 hours since the scheduled patch server's up time (2:00 GMT yesterday).
My frustration is not about the fact that there is a problem, but with the fact that CCP has made NO attempt to alert the community as a whole that there are issues. All they do is have some random "answers" in threads online. Well, not all players read the forums so where is the News alert? I guess they don't want to make one cause they do not want people to stop playing. If people stopped playing then no one would find the rest of the bugs that i am sure are hidden i there. They are using us like guinea pigs and do not even have the decency to tell people about the bugs so they can move on to other areas of the game. Personally, if i can not missions, i will go ratting for salvage, or mining for minerals to make my next ship, but if i had not discovered the rep issue on my own, i would never have known because CCP knew about it, and did notthing to make it widly known to the majority of the capsuleer population! THAT is my problem with the current situation.
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Garan Tormas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:46:00 -
[150]
Bump.
CCP peeps, this is a serious problem. Please document it in the "Known issues" forum, sticky it, and give us some idea when it's going to be fixed. You currently have a boatload of players who are being badly affected by this. If you can't come up with a timely fix, please revert the relevant code to pre-REV II, then you can take all the time in the world to think about how to do it "right".
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Aren Zael
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:02:00 -
[151]
CCP:
Please make this announced as a sticky:
a lot of players are doing missions without getting some descent standing increase. (including me and some corpmates :()
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Elrinarie
Gallente
Freelancers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:08:00 -
[152]
this is rediculous.
there is way too much faction grinding that needs to be done in this game to get to R&D all the stuff you need, on top of which having a good refine rate in different regions.
Please do something about this asap, it was already a snooze to have to work up level 1 and 2 agents over and over again for different corps.
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Ferulon
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:08:00 -
[153]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Bat'Leth
Still not aknowleging that there is a major issue and it seems like you guys are still hoping people will shut up and deal with some form of "recalculation" period. If this is how its going to be for the next patch, i plan on just stopping my account before the patch and not coming back for 2-3 months so everything has time to adjust and I am not wasting my money to play a game that I can not enjoy.
Bat, with all due respect, chill. I'm not sure howlong you have been playing, but this is normal for patches -- I have lived thru several. The devs/GMs can only test so many things using like 10 guys flying around on the servers. It is impossible to duplicate many things without the full Eve community -- even then, bugs, glitches, errors, and other oopsies will be present for a while...
Ug, this may be normal for patches in bad software development land. For starters (not sure if you know the devs QA for a fact or are just guessing) devs should *NOT* be doing QA.
as to
Quote:
The devs/GMs can only test so many things using like 10 guys flying around on the servers.
Again, I hope this isn't how they do it. If they are testing everything 'by hand', no say macro regression on the actual client and/or a 'lite' client I would be pretty stunned. Regardless, what this bug indicates is that their QA process is a joke. They really need to make some changes. Another example: a GM asking for more bug reports on an incredibly easy to recreate bug that is affecting everyone. Yeah, lets flood the petition system (more so then it already is).
Obviously this should have been announced in the news -- not everyone compulsively checks standings after missions (like I do lol) or reads the mission forum. Anyways, whatever the problems of the past, this needs to be fixed ASAP.
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Arodi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:20:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Arodi on 21/06/2007 18:19:03
Well how is this for fun; I just petitioned a hit on faction standing increase of 6 x -0.8% with Gallente for doing 1 Caldari Corporate Police Force L2 mission Illegal Acitivity 1 of 3 to 3 of 3. Seems buggy to me!
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Trooper B99
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:25:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Trooper B99 on 21/06/2007 18:27:14
Hmmm already low and decreases by 50% if you do the same mission. FUN I thought i could just grin and bear it and grind the 0.4 corp i needed, but this is silly. ^^
2007.06.21 15.51 What goes around comes around 0.0136%
2007.06.21 16.58 What goes around comes around 0.0068%
2007.06.21 16.14 The Seven's prison facility - 0.0216%
2007.06.21 17.39 The Seven's prison facility - 0.01%
2007.06.21 16.14 Break their will - 0.0216%
2007.06.21 17.50 Break their will - 0.0101%
Bug reported.
edit - Break their will . . . . this mission is strangely appropriate
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Arodi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:34:00 -
[156]
Any1 else who lost 5% faction standing over a regular L2 mission?
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:41:00 -
[157]
Saying this is due to recalculating rewards based on the timer sounds a whole lot like a misinformed GM (like pretty much every other one IÆve ever interacted with). When a mission is brand new, first time anyone ever ran it in game- you still get standing increases far greater than what is being given currently. Each level of mission has min and max standing parameters based on agent level and mission type, and the variation occurs within those set parameters. At least thatÆs how it used to be.
People always complained about min LP and isk rewards on new missions. This is not that same line of complaint. This is about getting NO standings from missions, and getting standings lower than a lvl 1 mission is supposed to give, for level 4 missions.
While any old gold bars are good enough for the masses, I want to hear from Zrakor at least, just what is going on, and what is being done to fix it.
And about being reimbursed for effectively not getting any standings: I seriously doubt that it is even possible, because when working normally missions are constantly adjusting their standings values along with the isk and LP rewards. But they are never supposed to give you 0.0 standing, or 0.0003 standing for any level 2, 3 or 4 mission in existence. While besides the Data Centers of course, hey maybe thatÆs what happened, the æyou get no rewardÆ agent attitude of the Data Centers has leaked over to the regular agents of the galaxy.
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Antor Pritcher
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:49:00 -
[158]
Republic Navy - Gone Berserk 2lvl 0.1825
was 0.7245 before patch
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:56:00 -
[159]
Sticky or news post this!
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:56:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Shining Shadow
Edited by: Shining Shadow on 21/06/2007 17:13:31
nevermind.. no point in trying to talk some sense into mission runners who cry over a day or two without standings gain when most other aspects of missions have got a major boost.
Major what? Boost? Where? Nerfed drones compounds? Really dorky Heat feature? Screwed up standings gains? Where did this alleged boost happen and how did the rest of us somehow manage to miss it? You aren't talking about L5 agents here by chance? There's simply not enough of those to get excited about.
BTW - the courier missions seem OK, only the combat ones are screwed up
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Bermag
Point-Zero
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:00:00 -
[161]
Not sure if it is of any help, but I run lvl 4 combat mission with one character that got incorrect standing increase 0.0015 and o.0021 for In the midst of Deadspace lvl 4 part 3 & 4) and on another character I run two courier missions which gave the normal standing increase for that kind of mission.
Also, LP/ISK rewrad was normal.
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:03:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Shining Shadow
Edited by: Shining Shadow on 21/06/2007 17:13:31
nevermind.. no point in trying to talk some sense into mission runners who cry over a day or two without standings gain when most other aspects of missions have got a major boost.
Believe it or not, some people actually run missions primarily FOR the standings gains. I am one of these people, and have an entire buisness model dependant upon me being able to further raise my standings with new corps/factions.
I personally couldn't care less about the isk or LP.
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Bahk Naar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:06:00 -
[163]
Despite the Dev/GM posts, your answers are still very unclear. Can you please specify what the situation is and what we can expect?
- has this been fixed?
- should we expect immediate results (high gains now) or will the gains slowly increase over time, as they do when LP and rewards are set to base for new missions?
- What should the final gains look like? comparable to before the patch? Lower? Higher?
Thanks.
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:25:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Bahk Naar
Despite the Dev/GM posts, your answers are still very unclear. Can you please specify what the situation is and what we can expect?
- has this been fixed?
- should we expect immediate results (high gains now) or will the gains slowly increase over time, as they do when LP and rewards are set to base for new missions?
- What should the final gains look like? comparable to before the patch? Lower? Higher?
Thanks.
No offense Bahk, they have not given a straight answer to any of the other 160 posts in here, they are not gonna start with yours. All we can do is sit here, ***** at em for a few days until they magically come online and say something like "stop whining you lil punks its fixed! ok? DAMN! Now leave us alone" (only a lil nicer than that). They ignore our concerns until it effects them, then all they do is give us some bull**** automated response about how it will be "fixed soon". So yeah, don't expect to see a response, just keep bugging them about it until its fixed.
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Random Action
Minmatar
Lost and Found
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:55:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Random Action on 21/06/2007 19:56:41
It's still broken, just completed 3 level II combat missions and it will probably take me the rest of my life to get to level 4
Corporation: Krusual tribe Bureau
Agent: Aldag Julroken
Level: II
Quality: 18
System: Hek
Security Level: 0.5
Standing change
1.53 - Initial value from pre-patch
1.53 (0.0407%) Eliminate the Pirate Campers
1.53 (0.0440%) Avenge a Fallen Comrade
1.54 (0.0602%) Recon (1 of 3)
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3CLipZ
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:56:00 -
[166]
Edited by: 3CLipZ on 21/06/2007 19:58:30
low standings ok.. but this is just rediculous
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Ferulon
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:17:00 -
[167]
CCP,
We need an eta on the fix and if it will be retroactive. This isn't asking much.
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Antiope2k6
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:20:00 -
[168]
I have done my report and i will do another tomorow when i run one more mission and still get crap standing increase
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Mr Fledermaus
Gallente
Munich Global Activities
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:26:00 -
[169]
Bump
May the Moderator please get this thread sticky
best regards
Theres allways someone who knows more....
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Kuranta
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:27:00 -
[170]
Since I tend to read the forums, I was aware of the bug before my first mission after patch deployment and checked my standings after the first mission. Bug report filed.
But those not reading the forums or checking standing gain regular will be ****** up when realizing the bug. This bug is affecting a large part of the players but still, no Sticky or other anouncement. Realy a shame.
CCP, you still think not mentioning an issue is like there was no bug?
I wouldn't be upset if my mission whoring was for LP and ISK, which we still get, but for standing gain for my Research Agents.
If I hadn't been aware before, I WOULD be upset. Don't get me wrong, bugs happen with a major expansion, but not informing the player base on am imho big issue is NOT GOOD.
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Kuentai
Moloko.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:47:00 -
[171]
I picked the best time ever to start grinding a new corp :o.
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Entity One
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:53:00 -
[172]
Well I just had a GM respond to my petition and the results are rather upsetting. First, he stated that no fixes would be applied retroactively.
Second, he insisted that most of the missions have already been "fixed," despite the fact that the last 15 of my missions have given me 0 standing.
Guess my R&D Agent will have to wait...
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:55:00 -
[173]
Personally I am convinced that the system is reading all the missions with the same name and reducing the rewars as they are are run, so it is indifferent if you are running the 1 or 10 mission in a row, what matter is if you are the first to run the mission with that name or the n. 100.
The 20 I have run 1 mission at about 19.00 and got 0.0 standing (first mission after patch), today (with another character) I have run 1 mission at 18.30 (third after patch, but the other 2 were R&D), and got 0.0 standing.
So it is not not the number of missions you have run that matter, but the total number of times they have been run after downtime (as it appears that at DT the rounter reset).
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Ferulon
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:59:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Entity One
Well I just had a GM respond to my petition and the results are rather upsetting. First, he stated that no fixes would be applied retroactively.
Second, he insisted that most of the missions have already been "fixed," despite the fact that the last 15 of my missions have given me 0 standing.
Guess my R&D Agent will have to wait...
TY for posting. I will run a few missions tonight and see if mine have been fixed. If they haven't been I guess I will twiddle my thumbs since the fix won't be retro.
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Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:59:00 -
[175]
y'know, I understand there are multiple issues following a patch, multiple bugs and problems to sort out and fix. But this is getting ridiculous. No posts other than "look it's fixed after emergency downtime" "no it's not" "..." from CCP, no ETA on a real fix, very little acknowledgement of this whole problem... I mean, the only reason I'm running for this current agent instead of a higher quality one is so that I can boost standings for my corp (high q agents for this particular corp are very far away). It's just ridiculous. And what about those who are grinding out Interbus and Sisters of Eve to neutralize negative standings or equalize their standings a bit? They are going to be p/o'ed over the waste of time.
I would really love to hear an official response soon, one that all of us can read instead of random individual petition answers.
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Kilmiester
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:10:00 -
[176]
Yes, Can we please get an official response to this instead of 3rd person "The GM told me..."
I ran about 10 missions before I realized my standing hadn't increased at all. And these were all after the supposed hotfix. |
Memnoch Obsidian
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:12:00 -
[177]
This is making CCP look REALLY bad. When you have a major bug like this you definitely need better communication.
Another 24 hours or so with lack of info/no real acknowledgement/faulty dev posts and you have a crisis on your hands....
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Gunvor Haavik
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:15:00 -
[178]
Still very little standing increase. last mission 0.0001%
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Arodi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:16:00 -
[179]
But did any1 come across severe standing losses out of nowhere? I ran L2 Illegal Activity against gallente but got 6 hits of -0.8%, a total of 5% for killing combat vessels. Like I said - I don't see that as normal! Any1 else notice?
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jk scowling
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:17:00 -
[180]
aaaaaaargh! this is irritating.
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Talijana
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:25:00 -
[181]
Well, calm down people. Every man makes errors. Personally, I think that CCP has readed this thread and know, that this situation is very unpleased for us. I do not prefer a statement - just a bugfix for this standing iusse.
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Herring
Pimpology
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:29:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Talijana
Well, calm down people. Every man makes errors. Personally, I think that CCP has readed this thread and know, that this situation is very unpleased for us. I do not prefer a statement - just a bugfix for this standing iusse.
I'm not gonna read this entire thread but when I petitioned this standings issue my response from a GM was that it was a known issue, that it was a bug, thanks for reporting etc. My guess is that it'll get fixed quite soon.
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WrathchildeVOTF
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:41:00 -
[183]
This issue most certainly is not fixed.
I am working up a new agent, and doing lvl 2 for standings now. I just received 0.0007% for a Mordus Headhunter mission.
Devs, quit blowing smoke, please. Find and kill the bug, THEN tell us its fixed.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:56:00 -
[184]
Chiming in with my own report of 'not fixed.'
Just did 2x blockade for agents in the same station. One was a shared reward -- .009%. The other was handed in solo immediately after -- .01%.
LP awards were likewise feeble.
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Karynn Carrion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:59:00 -
[185]
I have a story line/important mission to run atm.
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Ihmurria
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:24:00 -
[186]
ran a storyline yesterday and got the normal faction standing boost
courier missions also seem to be normal, just combat missions are fubared
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evs
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:30:00 -
[187]
Edited by: evs on 21/06/2007 22:29:18
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hmm i think you have to log in, do 2-3 missions, log out, then log back it, it seems to me that the longer you do missions for the worse the standings get
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:35:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Arodi
But did any1 come across severe standing losses out of nowhere? I ran L2 Illegal Activity against gallente but got 6 hits of -0.8%, a total of 5% for killing combat vessels. Like I said - I don't see that as normal! Any1 else notice?
That was always normal for me when doing kill missions. I tend to turn Illegal Activity down almost everytime I get it(even pre-patch) because of the standing hits I would take killing Gallente vessels over the course of the 3 part mission.
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Ten Bulls
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:41:00 -
[189]
Still broken for me
Why isnt this a top priority item ?
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Killshot DeathBunny
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Posted - 2007.06.21 22:44:00 -
[190]
Now that is scary... a -0.8% hit when killing a gallente ship during a mission, and you get a 0.0004% increase for completeing the mission...
For a new player. they'll be KOS in 75% of empire before they can fly a level 3 mission. (But still be flying a faction loaded CNR)
Now. tell me this isn't broke.
My personal experience was that when I did a level 2 mission the standings seemed right, level 3 was borked and level 4 was worse.
Have not checked it yet today.
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:01:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Killshot DeathBunny
Now that is scary... a -0.8% hit when killing a gallente ship during a mission, and you get a 0.0004% increase for completeing the mission...
For a new player. they'll be KOS in 75% of empire before they can fly a level 3 mission. (But still be flying a faction loaded CNR)
Now. tell me this isn't broke.
My personal experience was that when I did a level 2 mission the standings seemed right, level 3 was borked and level 4 was worse.
Have not checked it yet today.
Well usually the mission gives a lot more positive standing towards the corp you're working for, but being broken atm, yeah it's bad heh.
On a side note, I can confirm that Courier missions appear to work fine. I had a storyline mission I had been letting sit because of the obvious broken combat missions, but my storyline/courier mission gave me the same standing before Rev2. So it appears just combat missions are broken with the 1/100th standing and diminishing returns.
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Jared Byar
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:22:00 -
[192]
Things are -not- back at normal. Unless normal means you are meant to receive next to nothing in standing increase after the rev2 update.
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Perseus D'Solos
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:22:00 -
[193]
This is oh so very annoying. Fix. It. Now. PLEASE!
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Jarred Tahn
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:30:00 -
[194]
Just adding a bump for the request to fix the mission standings increases (or lack thereof). Missions are clearly broken atm.
I ran a lvl4 mission after RevII update and got 0.0 standing increase.
Ran a lvl4 mission couple hours ago and got 0.0 standing increase.
Ran lvl1 mission just now and got 0.0 standing increase.
All were combat missions.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:36:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Zeonos on 21/06/2007 23:36:52
Edited by: Zeonos on 21/06/2007 23:36:17
still broken.
i just did 6 lvl 2 missions to get some standing with a caldari corp...
Image gallery with some of the new ship models.
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:37:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Fastercart on 21/06/2007 23:39:24
Did Angel Extravaganza.
Standings Comparison.
Very low compared to pre-patch Guristas Extravaganza. The other 4 I did today were ok.
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Prokonsul Piotrus
Minmatar
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:13:00 -
[197]
I certainly agree that the disturbing part is the CCP is not showing us they care. Bugs happen, its part of the gaming. But if you rely on thousands of people paying you monthly subscription, you need to show you CARE - or people will stop caring about the game.
Is making this thread sticky so difficult?
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One day, we will return to the planets... please, CCP? :)
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Lucas Goran
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:18:00 -
[198]
Bump!
Still no standing increases for me, 0% for vl4 missions is areal pain..
Please can we be given some idea of when this will be fixed....
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Evan Thorizon
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:24:00 -
[199]
Yeah, this seems broken to me...
screenshot
So will I be getting these standing rewards when this is fixed or have I wasted 6 hours of my life? My petition still hasn't been answered...
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K Kinnison
Gallente
Galactic Patrol Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:26:00 -
[200]
I need to check this myself.. been doing several lvl 4 missions since Rev II, but I am at a loss as to how to get this standing transaction screen up, could anyone tell me how to do that please! Ta.
KK.
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evs
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:27:00 -
[201]
Edited by: evs on 22/06/2007 00:26:52
Edited by: evs on 22/06/2007 00:26:37
Edited by: evs on 22/06/2007 00:26:17
i would suggest that you peeps only do 2-3 missions at a time, then log off, (and log back in if you want) it seems to be working for me (as my above post shows, my gains are pretty normal)
for some reason it looks to me like the more missions you do the worse it gets, at least for some of the people who have posted screenies
edit** kin, go to character sheet/standings, right click on the corp youre running missions for and show transactions
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MorbidPenguin
Hard Corp
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:28:00 -
[202]
Mine is broken as well. 0.0% standing increase for a lvl 2 mission.
Join in-game channel Hard-Recruiting to get signed up. |
Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:28:00 -
[203]
Originally by: K Kinnison
I need to check this myself.. been doing several lvl 4 missions since Rev II, but I am at a loss as to how to get this standing transaction screen up, could anyone tell me how to do that please! Ta.
KK.
When you next dock (easist way) right click your agent and show info, then go to relationship/standings (i forget what its called) and then right click on the one that says "Agent name -> Your name" and go to show transactions.
Hope this helps.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:30:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus
I certainly agree that the disturbing part is the CCP is not showing us they care. Bugs happen, its part of the gaming. But if you rely on thousands of people paying you monthly subscription, you need to show you CARE - or people will stop caring about the game.
Is making this thread sticky so difficult?
a. it is sticky.
b. a mod has posted here. we just want to bug them even more. so they can fix this ASAP!! cause i need the standing.
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:33:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Zeonos
Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus
I certainly agree that the disturbing part is the CCP is not showing us they care. Bugs happen, its part of the gaming. But if you rely on thousands of people paying you monthly subscription, you need to show you CARE - or people will stop caring about the game.
Is making this thread sticky so difficult?
a. it is sticky.
b. a mod has posted here. we just want to bug them even more. so they can fix this ASAP!! cause i need the standing.
A. Its NOT a sticky, the gold bars indicate a dev response, the dev response was purely because a GM has read it and wanted everyone to know.
B. a GM not a developer or a mod posted here and was under the impression it was allready fixed on page 4, its now nearing page 8 and people are posting clear screenshots and logs that show its not.
WTS: Clue.
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Sombra Escarlate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:44:00 -
[206]
They have fix it yesterday in the afternoon and today It was ok. But now since about 4:00pm game time it startet again. I petion a GM but no response till now.
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K Kinnison
Gallente
Galactic Patrol Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:44:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Galmar Grief
Originally by: K Kinnison
I need to check this myself.. been doing several lvl 4 missions since Rev II, but I am at a loss as to how to get this standing transaction screen up, could anyone tell me how to do that please! Ta.
KK.
When you next dock (easist way) right click your agent and show info, then go to relationship/standings (i forget what its called) and then right click on the one that says "Agent name -> Your name" and go to show transactions.
Hope this helps.
Thanks Galmar! I've been getting between 4 to 9% for missions pre patch, the last two I did (In the midst of deadspace 1 and 2 of 5) got me 0.0007% and 0.7057% :(
Not happy. Hardly worth me doing the missions, since I'm doing them more for the standing increase than the money - I can mine more money per hour than a lvl 4 mission.
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Wasted Mind
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:54:00 -
[208]
Honestly this really is the number one thing that should be on ccp fix list and it should be done by tomorrow. So many ppl play this game for mission running/faction grinding it really does put alot of players at a halt. Especially new players to the game. Not being able to get your next agent sucks. =/
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Xilimyth Derlin
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:04:00 -
[209]
Definitely broken still. Did 3 level 4 missions to test it and I'm still getting 0.00% faction increases. Personally, I don't care much about this, but after fighting to get my sister back into the game after being an industrialist....
Well, she would like to come up the corporate ladder I think...
(And please all you pilots out there..... no hitting on her ^^ Which is a good thing why I didn't add her name here :D)
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BaliAgha
Nevahefas Etarip
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:27:00 -
[210]
Rogue Drone Harassment BEFORE rev II was 8.2222% (LEVEL 4)
Rogue Drone Harassment now gives me 0.0639% (LEVEL 4)
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Kendrack Katarn
Minmatar
BOUNTY KILLERS
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:41:00 -
[211]
Well well well....
No need to say I got the same problem.
Now, the thing is: I just been through 7 pages of palyer messages, and I've seen 3 GM/Dev answers. No need to say that there's still nothing to tell every one about this bug, such as a special news about it or something.
I Really would like to read a clear, "satisfying" answer from the staff. I know (well, I hope so  ) that you're prolly workin on it at the moment, but that would be great just to know what's the current situation.
Hope I'll read you soon,
Ken K
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Master Akira
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:53:00 -
[212]
I didn't had this problem until today. The very same mission (Rogue drone harassment lvl1, I'm just starting with them) with the same agent gave me yesterday 0.3416%, and today it gave me 0.0027%. Even after the patch I wasn't having any trouble, until today.
I guess i'll not do storylines (or any mission in fact) until this is fixed.
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IlluminatedOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:06:00 -
[213]
Edited by: IlluminatedOne on 22/06/2007 02:04:43
CCP definitely has too much money, so they don't even respond to their paying customers.
Not fixed, all missions I've done in the last 3 hours => 0.0 standing increase.
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:15:00 -
[214]
200 replies in and gold bars have only said hello? Hello?!
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Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:29:00 -
[215]
still nothin as far as i can tell: all lvl 4's:
0.0491 recon 1 of 3
0.0012 recon 2 of 3
0.0017 recon 3 of 3
0.0008 pirate invasion
0.0003 massive attack
0.0002 gone berserk
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melaeric
Asa Dynasty
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:48:00 -
[216]
Edited by: melaeric on 22/06/2007 02:47:21
I 0.0% approve of the Dev/GM responses in this issue.
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Viktor Xaos
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:01:00 -
[217]
I truly feel sorry for those newer pilots who are getting a 0.0% increase on everything.
At this rate they'll be doing level 1 missions...erm...FOREVER
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V4mpress
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:31:00 -
[218]
Yep, I'm having the same problem too. Unfortunately I've done approx 20 level 2 missions since the patch before realising my standings weren't increasing at all.
I sincerely hope that my standings will be fixed to reflect the fact that I have actually grinded out 20 missions since the patch and not just 'well we've fixed it and now your standings will work properly'. I want reimbursement for what I rightfully should have!
Why has a GM not replied to this? Surely this is such a huge EVE-Wide issue that they should be looking at jumping on fixing this ASAP. I think that if a GM doesn't respond soon, people are going to start getting very very angry.
Please fix this ASAP...causing major annoyance!
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:35:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Viktor Xaos
I truly feel sorry for those newer pilots who are getting a 0.0% increase on everything.
At this rate they'll be doing level 1 missions...erm...FOREVER
Yeah no kidding. I feel even more sorry for the newer pilots who do level one Worlds Collide and Blockade with these increases. Sure they are tough at any level (scaled to frigates, cruisers, BS, and BS of course). But, at level 1, you really rely on those big missions for standings.
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drackjib
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:49:00 -
[220]
I did two missions post Rev II patch and received normal standing awards. I did one tonight which normally gives a decent increase and got 0.0%. This is a definite bug. I've checked the known issues page and it's not listed there. CCP needs to be responsible (not to mention responsive) and acknowledge the bug. |
Arain
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:00:00 -
[221]
I might be wrong but it seems like the longer the server is up the lower the faction increases are. I did two missions yesterday right after they did a hotpatch and got normal increases, yet this evening after the server has been running all day I got .0001 and 0.0 for two normal level 3 combat missions that would normally have given 1%-2.0%. I guess thats one way to cut down on server lag. Have people log off when they can't accomplish what they had specificly logged in to do.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:17:00 -
[222]
This is ***still*** broken?
BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME |
Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:27:00 -
[223]
Originally by: murder one
This is ***still*** broken?
Yes, and seeing as how CCP havn't said anything here, we can all assume they don't know its broken... fun stuff eh?
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Han Quattro
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:28:00 -
[224]
Cargo Delivery lvl 3 [2007.06.14 05:48 GMT] 0.9866%
Cargo Delivery lvl 3 [2007.06.22 04:05 GMT] 0.0001%
Since my main reason to run missions is to get a jump clone and get into PVP, I'm just wasting my time running them until this is fixed.
Guess it's time to try a little exploration, or do a bit of ratting for a while.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:35:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2007 04:34:03
Originally by: murder one
This is ***still*** broken?
Yes.
See this (past couple of hours)
^Thumbnail, click for full image.
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Frederick Sheh
Caldari
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:46:00 -
[226]
Originally by: evs
Edited by: evs on 21/06/2007 22:29:18
[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]
hmm i think you have to log in, do 2-3 missions, log out, then log back it, it seems to me that the longer you do missions for the worse the standings get
how do you call this dialog box up?
.FS
Lt. JG Frederick Sheh - Military Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:53:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Fastercart on 22/06/2007 04:52:36
Frederick Sheh,
Character Sheet > Standings > Right-click corp or faction > select "Show Transactions"
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ZYMOTICAL
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:03:00 -
[228]
Petitioned and this is the answer:
Hi, Agents standings are bugged right now and we are working on it. My most sincere apologies for the inconvenience. If any standing reimbursement is done, it will be done to everyone at the same time, they will not be reimbursed individually. Thank you for your patience in this matter and please accept our apologies for the inconvenience. Best regards, GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
So they know it and they work on it.
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Caia
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:25:00 -
[229]
CCP,
Generally, you've done a great job with Eve. I'm really liking most of Rev 2 as well. However, this bug is really annoying. And in fact, game breaking to some.
I enjoy running missions. Its what I do while I'm waiting for the industry side to get done churning out mods and ships. My corps runs them as well, and we have a blast doing it. However, most of us run them FOR the standings gain. Yeah, the ISK and LP are a nice side bonus, but we can get more cash in other ways.
Secondly, and probably far far more importantly, all those newbies out there are running level 1 missions so they can get standings to get to level 2. And then level 3 and so forth. Under the current bugged system, this can't be done without doing a year's worth of missions. Without access to level 2 (and later level 3) missions, newbies won't have the cash to do much of anything. They simply don't have the skills to mine or use industry to get the kind of cash they can get doing missions.
This needs to be fixed and FAST, please. I understand bugs happen. Its the nature of programming. To me, its merely a hassle. To 90% of the newbies out there, its game breaking.
This hasn't been fixed yet, to the contrary of what was stated above by the Dev/GM. It has been acknowledged elsewhere, thankfully. However, could we please get an ETA of when a fix is going to happen? It would be VERY appreciated.
Thanks
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:33:00 -
[230]
right now, courier and toryline work just fine
it's only kill misions that are borked
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:38:00 -
[231]
Attack of the drones pre rev2 2.695% post rev2 0.0002% lvl 4 in low sec.
nothing wrong move along here folks....
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Prolepsis
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Posted - 2007.06.22 05:56:00 -
[232]
Actually, my courier missions are pretty well borked too. As a newbie, my hands are completely tied in terms of getting actual standing..
Sigh.
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Violinier
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Posted - 2007.06.22 06:14:00 -
[233]
Broke for me too. Sucks because I am a mission runner. Why play if I don't get standings? BF2142 until they fix this.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.22 06:19:00 -
[234]
Originally by: evs
Edited by: evs on 21/06/2007 22:29:18
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hmm i think you have to log in, do 2-3 missions, log out, then log back it, it seems to me that the longer you do missions for the worse the standings get
Then hy I get 0.0 gains dong 1 mission?
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 06:24:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Prolepsis
Actually, my courier missions are pretty well borked too. As a newbie, my hands are completely tied in terms of getting actual standing..
Sigh.
Above I said courier missions were working...well the courier storyline mission I did worked and gave me the same standing it did pre-patch. I'd never done any courier missions before but went to an Archives agent and got the following for standing gain (working for Sisters of EVE):
Hunger Strikes 0.0303%
Miner Problems 0.0264%
My Little Girl 0.0253%
Unauthorized Military Presence 0.0%
Eliminate the Pirate Campers 0.0% (yeah ok 5% kill mission Archives guy)
Take This Away 0.025%
The Mordus Headhunters 0.0% (90% Courier missions, riiiight)
Hunger Strikes 0.0303%
Miner Problems 0.0264%
Stolen Arms 0.0299%
My question to other players is this, are courier missions always this bad in standing gain? I'm using a Level 2, Quality +15 Archives agent. It's clear that the standing isn't diminishing, but it's still abyssmally low. The cash and loyalty seems really bad to me as well, around 35000 isk per mission and 30-40 loyalty for a level 2+15 agent? Like I said I've never done couriers before because they're boring, but the standing/lp/money I'm getting seems extremely low. I mean of course there's zero risk in running this junk around, but running 3-4 missions for 0.1 standing seems pretty bad.
I'm sure devs are working on this, but I agree with the above, to newer players to the game, this would be a giant bottleneck and basically block newer folks to the game. Trying to draw new people in after a patch like this and them not being able to advance in the game isn't gonna get anyone to stick around I don't think.
To me it seems like a factor of dividing everything by 100 got stuck in the standing gains somewhere, along with kill missions getting diminishing. Courier missions just seem bad but aren't diminishing.
PS - Please improve the Sisters of EVE loyalty point store, the item selection is terrible. ;p
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Sobach
Gallente
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2007.06.22 06:56:00 -
[236]
Can anyone confirm whether or not combat storylines is suffering from the bug as well? I'd rather not waste any of those by not getting any faction standing increase....
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Ammoina
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.22 06:57:00 -
[237]
I'm amazed this thread has gone so far without getting nerfed by ISD, what with all the bloody pictures and broken frames.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:14:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Sobach
Can anyone confirm whether or not combat storylines is suffering from the bug as well? I'd rather not waste any of those by not getting any faction standing increase....
I did Shipyard Theft yesterday, got 8.4%, while the rest of my missions don't give jack. It seems ok, but do it at your own risk.
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Voin
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:37:00 -
[239]
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:58:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
I did Shipyard Theft yesterday, got 8.4%, while the rest of my missions don't give jack. It seems ok, but do it at your own risk.
Thanks for that - was hold in it off... Might as well do it now.
On the bright side - I can do quite a few missions with, say, CN with pretty much the same effect on my standings increase. well, visual effect anyhow. I know it's going up (maybe not at the moment) but it's hard to see the effect at 9.97
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Ularra Gi
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:58:00 -
[241]
I'm too tired to give it a try tonight, but I've had missions that gave proper standing and missions that didn't. The no standings missions came from two level 1 Caldari agents in Haatomo while the good missions came from another Caldari Navy level 1 one or two jumps off of Jita (So-something if I recall correctly). To properly test this, I'd have to try missions from each to see if the problem comes and goes as expected.
So the standings bug might be by agent. Try different agents, maybe this is a workaround.
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Gee'Kin
Tha Specialz
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:11:00 -
[242]
anf i thought they fixed the standing problems. .2 bad it got worse.. And iam still waiting to get lifted from 5.1 .. still nothing.. after the nerf..
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Digaxector
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:27:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Digaxector on 22/06/2007 08:33:02
Been doing some courier missions, and they are giving standing increases, but at exactly 1/2 the amount pre-REV ii.
Miner Problems Pre = 0.5299% Post = 0.2647% / 1.324%
Marriage Pre = 0.6334% Post = 0.3209%
Take this away Pre = 0.5045% Post = 0.2514%
Edit - just did another Miner problems, and got 1/2 my previous standings gain....
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Lukas Rox
Torchwood Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:41:00 -
[244]
I just switched faction to do missions for, so started wit hgrinding level 1 missions. Guess what? 0.0% increase for every mission. It IS impossible to get standing doing those. Level 4s basically give you as much standing as Level 1s did pre patch...
Please fix that for us PvErs. Thanks for level 5 missions, but plz give us our standing increases back..
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NIkis
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:46:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Lukas Rox
I just switched faction to do missions for, so started wit hgrinding level 1 missions. Guess what? 0.0% increase for every mission. It IS impossible to get standing doing those. Level 4s basically give you as much standing as Level 1s did pre patch...
Please fix that for us PvErs. Thanks for level 5 missions, but plz give us our standing increases back..
lol the irony of it .. how the hell are you supposed to get to level 5 when you get 0.0% from level 1's
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Quilan Masaq
Caldari
Combat Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:47:00 -
[246]
Still jebbered... most irritating.
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Manic Smile
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:52:00 -
[247]
I petitioned it today, senior GM, responded in 10min said they know about the bug, believe they know the cause, and are working on it. I'm praying for next DT but they gave no time frame. I'm hopeful though as they are at least responding to the petitions.
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Anglachel83
Caldari
Shintaisei
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Posted - 2007.06.22 09:15:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Manic Smile
I petitioned it today, senior GM, responded in 10min said they know about the bug, believe they know the cause, and are working on it. I'm praying for next DT but they gave no time frame. I'm hopeful though as they are at least responding to the petitions.
that doesnt matter. many people ask just an answer from devs about:
- eta?
- retroactivity?
the only answer got is 'hello, the bug is fixed'. HERE and HERE no comment, no posting, no anything about this ******* bug.
THEY even didnt say if it's a BUG! *YOU* have to petition to know about it.
It's clear CCP doesnt like missions and missioners.
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Riddick Hilo
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Posted - 2007.06.22 09:15:00 -
[249]
No comment. For the moment no more missions...
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 09:48:00 -
[250]
Just to confirm a poster above, Storyline combat/kill/encounter missions are awarding proper standing. I was getting close to one expiring and read the above poster's comment and figured heck with it and did. Got the same pre-patch standing for A Case of Kidnapping as I did pre-patch.
And for those curious, yes the 0.0% missions do count towards your 16 missions for a Storyline mission. I was keeping track tonight since all I was getting was 0.0 when I switched to an Internal Security agent. ;p
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Antikon
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:12:00 -
[251]
Fixed? I think not.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:30:00 -
[252]
Shouldn't this thread be moved to Known issues? Maybe then it will get even greater exposure and a higher Dev priority? I only found this thread due to a link in Known issues as I tend to use other, more targeted, resources for mission info.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:36:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Amarria Black on 22/06/2007 10:35:16
It'd be nice to find this out on log-in instead of finding out about it by running a mission, checking my standings, and going, *Profanity removed - Timmeh Hell, even a sticky in General would be great.
I grow tired of having to scour each and every forum to find essential information. Proactive reporting prz, kthx.
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Kilana Omni
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:45:00 -
[254]
The dev response suggests the issue has been fixed. But my own experience and those listed above suggest this issue is NOT resolved?
Are the devs aware that it is still broken?
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Timmeh 2000
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:48:00 -
[255]
The best way to ensure the development team is aware of a bug is to Petition it.
The dev team doesn't always have time to read all of the forums, so we can't expect them to always respond here. By submitting a petition, you guarantee that it will reach them, and that the appropriate action will be taken.
This has also been popping up in the Known Issues Forum and I would suggest that you keep an eye on that forum as it is most likely to receive a Developer comment.
Regards,
Timmeh.
So, is it easy being green? -Elmo
"This house is your own, still living alone, it donÆt make you sad, but I think itÆs good to be green." |
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Trecoun
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:53:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Viktor Xaos
I truly feel sorry for those newer pilots who are getting a 0.0% increase on everything.
At this rate they'll be doing level 1 missions...erm...FOREVER
QFT. Finally got bored of mining in a Covetor, decided to start running missions.
...got to a level 2 agent, then decided to switch the Corp I run missions for.
Perfect timing, eh?
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:54:00 -
[257]
It seems people are getting OMLY a 0.0 standing increase with the corps they are doing missions with and like a .0002% increase with the agents.
I petitioned it and two others I know
Sound is messed up too.
A Minmater City... Cool!
My Skills |
Realypk
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Posted - 2007.06.22 10:56:00 -
[258]
I did petition it and was told everything was ok... he was right and i did missions and gained standings and i was a happy camper.... than a few hours later it whent back to bieng broked....
I dont feel like writing another petition and i'm sure that they know already ;)
I would just love to see an official announcement about this.
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Smakko
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:20:00 -
[259]
I petitioned this and got a reply shortly before DT. CCP tried to fix it with the hotfix yesterday but it didn't work for everyone. Some of my corpmates said that the hotfix fixed it for them, but many others i talked to said its still broken. I spent alot of time explaining to noobs (who were running lvl 1s incessantly) that it was a Rev 2 bug, and they should petition it and sit tight.
Yes it's annoying, but *sigh but I'm certain the GMs will make it right. I'm still running missions anyways, even though NPCs now aggro my drones with light missiles from 100km away. *rollseyes
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Taoism
IP II IMI IP my pod
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:21:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Timmeh 2000
The best way to ensure the development team is aware of a bug is to Petition it.
The dev team doesn't always have time to read all of the forums, so we can't expect them to always respond here. By submitting a petition, you guarantee that it will reach them, and that the appropriate action will be taken.
This has also been popping up in the Known Issues Forum and I would suggest that you keep an eye on that forum as it is most likely to receive a Developer comment.
Regards,
Timmeh.
so what you are saying , in essence, is that there is no communication between the forum moderators and devs, that the GM's don't read the forums, and that even if they did it wouldn't mean anything because we have not all made boatloads of petitions about the issue. how very reassuring.
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Canti Ludan
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:23:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Timmeh 2000
The best way to ensure the development team is aware of a bug is to Petition it.
The dev team doesn't always have time to read all of the forums, so we can't expect them to always respond here. By submitting a petition, you guarantee that it will reach them, and that the appropriate action will be taken.
This has also been popping up in the Known Issues Forum and I would suggest that you keep an eye on that forum as it is most likely to receive a Developer comment.
Regards,
Timmeh.
Ok I did petition it and this is the response I got:
Hi,
Thank you for contacting customer support.
Agents standings are bugged right now, We are aware of the matter and we understand that is a serious issue.
We have tried to fix it during the downtime of yesterday but it seems not working.
You can find more informations about this issue in this message in our forum :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=539962&page=5#139
We hope that it should be solved soon.
Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
Best regards,
GM Rhocyn
EVE Online Customer Support
Hmm that link lead to.... you guess it here... well to the post saying to bug report it. Of course it comes 5 minutes before DT so I don't even have the time to get the screen shots and ofther stuff ready for the bug report.
GREAT COUSTOMER SUPPORT
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Dmar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:26:00 -
[262]
It seems the bug happens per corporate or department, probably randomally. Tested 2 lecvel 1 caldary navy agents (security depart)- they were giving something like 0.000x% and than 0.0%. Tested with some "administration agent" seems much better. Unfortunatelly I rolled pure combat char so need pure "combat" missions :)
Yeah, its my 4th day after the trial and I have no idea what to do now, no progress with agents and already done most of level 1 combat missions couple of times. :)
Will have to wait.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:28:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Taoism
so what you are saying , in essence, is that there is no communication between the forum moderators and devs, that the GM's don't read the forums
Your conclusion is wrong.
What Timmeh is saying that devs don't read everything on the forums and they don't respond to everything they read. He's also saying that the correct way for players to get in touch with CCP staff is via a petition, not via the forums.
=AFK=
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Canti Ludan
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:41:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Taoism
so what you are saying , in essence, is that there is no communication between the forum moderators and devs, that the GM's don't read the forums
Your conclusion is wrong.
What Timmeh is saying that devs don't read everything on the forums and they don't respond to everything they read. He's also saying that the correct way for players to get in touch with CCP staff is via a petition, not via the forums.
I'd have to dissagree with you. Read my post earlier. I was sent to this thread via petition. It is clearly a case of "pass the buck" at this point.
I'm not angry about not getting my standing. I moved on and did other things. What is the real kick in the pants is the run around.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:59:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Canti Ludan
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Taoism
so what you are saying , in essence, is that there is no communication between the forum moderators and devs, that the GM's don't read the forums
Your conclusion is wrong.
What Timmeh is saying that devs don't read everything on the forums and they don't respond to everything they read. He's also saying that the correct way for players to get in touch with CCP staff is via a petition, not via the forums.
I'd have to dissagree with you. Read my post earlier. I was sent to this thread via petition. It is clearly a case of "pass the buck" at this point.
I'm not angry about not getting my standing. I moved on and did other things. What is the real kick in the pants is the run around.
I no way, shape, or form did I say what Timmeh said was The Truth or even that it was correct; I merely paraphrased what he said for someone who obviously didn't get the point.
If you are not satisfied with a petition response, you can escalate it. Alternatively, you can wait till CCP has a fix for the problem, since they're obviously aware of the problem and working on a fix; wasting a (senior) GM's time over it won't speed things up (though it won't slow the fixing down either).
=AFK=
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Canti Ludan
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:09:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Estel Arador
wasting a (senior) GM's time over it won't speed things up (though it won't slow the fixing down either).
ROFL... Thanks for the advice. I feel better now.
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Antikon
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:09:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Dmar
It seems the bug happens per corporate or department, probably randomally. Tested 2 lecvel 1 caldary navy agents (security depart)- they were giving something like 0.000x% and than 0.0%. Tested with some "administration agent" seems much better. Unfortunatelly I rolled pure combat char so need pure "combat" missions :)
Yeah, its my 4th day after the trial and I have no idea what to do now, no progress with agents and already done most of level 1 combat missions couple of times. :)
Will have to wait.
This here is what makes me wonder why the issue still exists, actual real live new players are trying to get started in the game, and as uber as level 1's are and all this has to be somewhat of a deterrent to the game.
I submitted a petition right before downtime, was apprehensive to do so at first thinking "no way could this issue persist past downtime, there's no way CCP could let so many new customers slip away over something so fundamentally important, and surely they dont need yet another petition in queue" but what the hell, the evil ISD dood told me to 
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Timeline Redghost
Caldari
Regnum-Irae
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:20:00 -
[268]
I made my petition for the same issue. I have 2 petitions open and are about target-lock sound (it continues after unlock) and about the standings... but no replies. Ok waiting.. The point reading above is that I can't issue new petitions cuz they are open. I have another petition and is serious. I'm selling items on market at a price (example 8990 and I'm getting 10500 from customers but they read 8990). Think on Million ISK items... If devs do not read Forums how can I let them know about ATP? |
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:26:00 -
[269]
While we understand your frustration, please keep it civil, which most of you have, and try not to rant.
Keep bug reporting it.
Thank you.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:33:00 -
[270]
Just finished The Right Hand - seemed OK (standings gain wise). It's my first combat after the DT, maybe it's finally been fixed?
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:41:00 -
[271]
Edited by: Harry Karri on 22/06/2007 12:40:39
2 missions done standing increase back to normal. A provisional thanks to Devs
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:58:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
They are in the LP stores, probably only in some corporation.
There are +1 and +3% implants for LP gains, standing gains, ecc., you will fint implants giving -1% copying time for BPC, research time and so on, some give bonus to mining too.
I want the option to give a description name to my jump clones: crafter - miner and so on, to easly see who I need to wear for the job at hand .
That would be such a great thing.
Phoenix Logistics Industries
01010000010100100100010101010000010000010101001
00100010100100000010101000100111100100000010001
000100100101000101001011000010000 |
Tar Atanamir
Caldari
Interstellar Excavations
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:04:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Edited by: Timeline Redghost on 22/06/2007 12:40:37
I made my petition for the same issue. I have 2 petitions open and are about target-lock sound (it continues after unlock) and about the standings... but no replies. Ok waiting.. The point reading above is that I can't issue new petitions cuz they are open. I have another petition and it is serious. I'm selling items on market at a price (example 8990 and I'm getting 10500 from customers. I've no visible orders out for that price, market says 8990 and decreases the total of the 8990isk order).
Think if happens on Million ISK items... If devs do not read Forums how can I let them know about?
So you are getting more ISK than expected? Happened to me as well, I believe if somebody places a buy order with a higher value than you sellorder and within range and doesn't pay attention to the market you get what he offered, not what you asked for.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:05:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Harry Karri
Edited by: Harry Karri on 22/06/2007 12:40:39
2 missions done standing increase back to normal. A provisional thanks to Devs
Same, looks fixed.
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Galmar Grief
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:07:00 -
[275]
Guys look... just because you've done 2 missions doesn't mean its fixed, do 10 / over the space of an hour or two, then you'll see if its fixed or not, the first 5 seem to be fine or so.
In anycase I got bug report replies today saying that they are aware of the issue, I also petitioned and a GM told me that the devs are aware of this too and working to fix it, so I guess we'll see how it goes.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:11:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Galmar Grief
Guys look... just because you've done 2 missions doesn't mean its fixed, do 10 / over the space of an hour or two, then you'll see if its fixed or not, the first 5 seem to be fine or so.
In anycase I got bug report replies today saying that they are aware of the issue, I also petitioned and a GM told me that the devs are aware of this too and working to fix it, so I guess we'll see how it goes.
Last few days I saw a steep drop right after the first mission, not today.
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Timeline Redghost
Caldari
Regnum-Irae
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:12:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Tar Atanamir
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Edited by: Timeline Redghost on 22/06/2007 12:40:37
I made my petition for the same issue. I have 2 petitions open and are about target-lock sound (it continues after unlock) and about the standings... but no replies. Ok waiting.. The point reading above is that I can't issue new petitions cuz they are open. I have another petition and it is serious. I'm selling items on market at a price (example 8990 and I'm getting 10500 from customers. I've no visible orders out for that price, market says 8990 and decreases the total of the 8990isk order).
Think if happens on Million ISK items... If devs do not read Forums how can I let them know about?
So you are getting more ISK than expected? Happened to me as well, I believe if somebody places a buy order with a higher value than you sellorder and within range and doesn't pay attention to the market you get what he offered, not what you asked for.
I got this transaction from different users after patch revII.
My price for the item is the lowest in the system. I checked now, there are no buyers with similar price, the best buy price is 5000, green is 400 iks ;), but the high sell price in station is now 10500 (eh). It's not me. And seems the transaction "10500" is random.
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JKinkaid
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:16:00 -
[278]
Hi,
I noticed a few people saying they thought this was fine and the way it is supposed to work.. ie nothing broken.
Well, I am a newbie player using the trial period to see if I want to have a full account and I can tell you if this is the way it works, I will probably NOT be paying for a full account.
I have been playing 5 days now. I am still doing level 1 missions and seem to be going in circles. Every agent I go to gives me the SAME missions over and over and over and over and so on. It is getting very very repetitive and boring doing missions. I also find the scanner does not locate anything to fight very often either and looking for pirates in asteroid belts is limited also.
So, if this is a problem, let's hope it gets fixed soon. If this is the way it is supposed to work, well where is the fun?
JKinkaid
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Loc Maythan
Gallente
Alfa00 Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:21:00 -
[279]
Since I probably won't be online again for a couple of days, can anyone confirm if the 0%, 0.0001% etc standings we received as a result of the problem have been corrected? Or is it only missions run from now on that give the correct standing increases?
Loc.
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Mrrzah
Amarr
Word of Blake
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:23:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Originally by: Tar Atanamir
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Edited by: Timeline Redghost on 22/06/2007 12:40:37
I made my petition for the same issue. I have 2 petitions open and are about target-lock sound (it continues after unlock) and about the standings... but no replies. Ok waiting.. The point reading above is that I can't issue new petitions cuz they are open. I have another petition and it is serious. I'm selling items on market at a price (example 8990 and I'm getting 10500 from customers. I've no visible orders out for that price, market says 8990 and decreases the total of the 8990isk order).
Think if happens on Million ISK items... If devs do not read Forums how can I let them know about?
So you are getting more ISK than expected? Happened to me as well, I believe if somebody places a buy order with a higher value than you sellorder and within range and doesn't pay attention to the market you get what he offered, not what you asked for.
I got this transaction from different users after patch revII.
My price for the item is the lowest in the system. I checked now, there are no buyers with similar price, the best buy price is 5000, green is 400 iks ;), but the high sell price in station is now 10500 (eh). It's not me. And seems the transaction "10500" is random.
This is in fact not a bug.
Someone bought this Item from a sell order with a price of 10500, but if your sell order is in the same station and cheaper then this, you'll get the sale with the adjusted price.
I think this was done to prevent people from transfering money on trial accounts or something like that..
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:28:00 -
[281]
Edited by: Amarria Black on 22/06/2007 13:26:52
Originally by: Loc Maythan
Since I probably won't be online again for a couple of days, can anyone confirm if the 0%, 0.0001% etc standings we received as a result of the problem have been corrected? Or is it only missions run from now on that give the correct standing increases?
Loc.
Nope. Still have a bunch of 0.0's.
CCP employees: Is this slated to be corrected?
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Spyco Master
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:30:00 -
[282]
Still bugged. Did around 7 Missions after DT, first 4 seemed to be normal. Last 3 including Mordus Headhunters gave anything from 0.0% to 0.0004%..
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Haurik Tagelston
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:41:00 -
[283]
Missions stil borked for me :(
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Ki Tarra
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:48:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Mrrzah
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Originally by: Tar Atanamir
Originally by: Timeline Redghost
Edited by: Timeline Redghost on 22/06/2007 12:40:37
I made my petition for the same issue. I have 2 petitions open and are about target-lock sound (it continues after unlock) and about the standings... but no replies. Ok waiting.. The point reading above is that I can't issue new petitions cuz they are open. I have another petition and it is serious. I'm selling items on market at a price (example 8990 and I'm getting 10500 from customers. I've no visible orders out for that price, market says 8990 and decreases the total of the 8990isk order).
Think if happens on Million ISK items... If devs do not read Forums how can I let them know about?
So you are getting more ISK than expected? Happened to me as well, I believe if somebody places a buy order with a higher value than you sellorder and within range and doesn't pay attention to the market you get what he offered, not what you asked for.
I got this transaction from different users after patch revII.
My price for the item is the lowest in the system. I checked now, there are no buyers with similar price, the best buy price is 5000, green is 400 iks ;), but the high sell price in station is now 10500 (eh). It's not me. And seems the transaction "10500" is random.
This is in fact not a bug.
Someone bought this Item from a sell order with a price of 10500, but if your sell order is in the same station and cheaper then this, you'll get the sale with the adjusted price.
I think this was done to prevent people from transfering money on trial accounts or something like that..
This is a bit of topic but the real reasons the market works this way is to allow for PvP pricing. As a seller, you win if you undercut, there is no way for someone to buy from a higher priced seller. As a buyer, you win if you over-bid, their is no way to sell to a lower priced buyer.
Originally by: Jeffrey R. Holland
No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse
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WrathchildeVOTF
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Posted - 2007.06.22 13:54:00 -
[285]
Originally by: JKinkaid
Hi,
I noticed a few people saying they thought this was fine and the way it is supposed to work.. ie nothing broken.
Well, I am a newbie player using the trial period to see if I want to have a full account and I can tell you if this is the way it works, I will probably NOT be paying for a full account.
I have been playing 5 days now. I am still doing level 1 missions and seem to be going in circles. Every agent I go to gives me the SAME missions over and over and over and over and so on. It is getting very very repetitive and boring doing missions. I also find the scanner does not locate anything to fight very often either and looking for pirates in asteroid belts is limited also.
So, if this is a problem, let's hope it gets fixed soon. If this is the way it is supposed to work, well where is the fun?
JKinkaid
This is not normal. I can usually get to lvl 2 agents in 1-3 days of missioning, depending on how much grind I do.
This is a bugged standing, and nothing more. Unfortunately, there is no work-around until the root cause is identified, and eradicated.
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Brazero
Amarr
Noble House
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:19:00 -
[286]
Did 10 missions this morning, and it was 0.0 all the way. Nothing at all. Then I got a storyline where everything seemed normal.
Quote:
<tuxford> Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:37:00 -
[287]
i also had a miner target bug... took me four minute to target a normal npc frigate, it was 8km away, and wasn't using any jamming "lvl 3 mission" this was very annoying.
Image gallery with some of the new ship models.
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Antikon
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:38:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Loc Maythan
Since I probably won't be online again for a couple of days, can anyone confirm if the 0%, 0.0001% etc standings we received as a result of the problem have been corrected? Or is it only missions run from now on that give the correct standing increases?
Loc.
As of this writing, neither.
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:38:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Fastercart on 22/06/2007 14:38:35
I did three missions. First two were ok, then the last...
Unauthorized Presence rewards.
As you can see, the 06.21 mission gave out normal standings, but the one from 14 minutes ago was borked. And, dang, I just got a Storyline mission. Good thing I found out it's broken now then after I guess.
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:46:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Kreul Intentions
While we understand your frustration, please keep it civil, which most of you have, and try not to rant.
Keep bug reporting it.
Thank you.
It's not at all easy to keep it civil when GMs and Devs respond agreeing that the issue has been fixed and days later we are still having the same problem with no updates.
I have petitioned and re-petitioned, I have bug reported and bug re-reported. How can the devs possibly miss this massive thread?
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Runix Nightwalker
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:48:00 -
[291]
I can verify that Storyline missions are giving the correct Standing, so don't worry about them; it's the non-storyline missions that have been experiencing problems.
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.06.22 14:49:00 -
[292]
Originally by: JKinkaid
Well, I am a newbie player using the trial period to see if I want to have a full account and I can tell you if this is the way it works, I will probably NOT be paying for a full account.
CCP, at least freaking tell people about this so they don't grind missions with no result and get ****ed. Sending petitions is great, but how am I gonna know if it is fixed? Also, why not just tell people it's bugged and you're working on it rather than have them submit 100s of petitions? :psyduck:
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:04:00 -
[293]
LOL this is the petition response i got
Hi, Thank you for contacting customer support. Agents standings are bugged right now, We are aware of the matter and we understand that it is a serious issue. We tried to fix it during the downtime yesterday but it didn't work. You can find more informations about this issue in this message on our forum : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topicthreadID539962page5#139 We expect it to be solved soon. Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Best regards, GM Rhocyn EVE Online Customer Support
the link does not even work for me but oh well. as previously stated by a previous poster, i too got linked to this thread that i have been posting in for close to 2 days already. I find that humorous.
*raises a glass* Heres to CCP, finally acknowledging a problem, still giving us the run around, still talking like robots, still using next to NO emotion or sense of humanity in their responses, and still have not done the one simple thing that would make me NOT mad at em..... making a news alert IN GAME that would let everyone know there is a bug and they are working on it and not to run missions if they do not feel like sacrificing their rep gain.
I guess CCP is kind of hoping that not EVERYONE will notice and that way they can save a lil face and not have to admit to the world that something as major as this escaped the QC process and all the "testing" they did.
BOO CCP... grow a pair, admit there is a problem PUBLICLY and put a news alert out. That would make me happy... but make sure your still trying to fix this damn bug. :)
Happy Hunting
Cheers :)
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Nature Kencyrath
Caldari
Standard Ore
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:16:00 -
[294]
Its still borked, borked like a high school girl on prom nite. |
hellena dekard
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:22:00 -
[295]
Missions stil borked for me too
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Kythoma
Caldari
DeepSpace Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:30:00 -
[296]
same thing on my side ... no standing gain for missions.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:32:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Sathamarid on 22/06/2007 15:31:42
Edited by: Sathamarid on 22/06/2007 15:31:16
Originally by: DeathComesToUsAll
You can find more informations about this issue in this message on our forum : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topicthreadID539962page5#139
Their thread link got mangled when cut/pasted. Correct link is :
Corrected link
Also, LOL. That post was from the first guy who thought that he fixed it almost two days ago.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:38:00 -
[298]
7 miisions done since DT 4 ok last 3 I got a tenth of what the standing increase should have been. Looks like the bug is back if, indeed, it ever went away.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:41:00 -
[299]
Confirming standings gain still broken. L3 combat mission, 'The Guristas Telescope.' About half a million ISK, 700 LP. .066% gain with corp -- translates to no visible movement at 5.6 standings.
Did the math on this. It'd take me about 3700 such 'rewards' to get the 1.5 or so corporate standings I need to unlock all the R&D agents with this character. Assuming 6 L3 missions an hour (not likely), that's 22,200 hours. There's 2000 hours in a full time work-year. So missioning as a full time 40 hour a week job, it'd take *10 years* to go from having access to 4/-10 agent to a 4/12 agent.
Um. Please fix?
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Eveia
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:43:00 -
[300]
i noticed right after the downtime my mission returns were fine yet as time progressed they steadily declined back to nothing. PLEASE FIX
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Gothique Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:48:00 -
[301]
To get rid of the non-stop locking sound, hit ESC, go to Sound. Disable sound completely (the checkbox, not the volume scroll) then turn it back on. Worked for me.
The person doing the same missions over and over again - you are probably doing the same tutorial missions over and over again. Find a real agent that isn't marked "Tutorial".
As for the problem at hand... I ran 2 team missions last night, both were combat and both gave bugged standing increase. The solo courier mission i did with the same agent worked fine. The next courier mission that included an encounter (go there and get it for me + a little ambush at the point of destination) was a 0.0 gain.
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JKinkaid
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:49:00 -
[302]
Now that I am watching it, the trend does seem to be as some have mentioned. After DT, you get points for missions but with each successive one, the score gets lower and lower until finally they all give 0.0 until another DT occurs.
Hope it gets resolved soonest
JKinkaid
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Derent
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:54:00 -
[303]
I think (bear in mind I'm not a dev) that this has to do with the exploit fix where rejecting a mission gave you a standing increase with the factions opposed to the faction you rejected the mission for. If that's the case, they probably can't roll it back to a pre-existing state (as that'd open up the exploit again), and they probably don't want to talk about it much because it's a bug with the exploit fix... that's my conspiracy theory for you. I'm gonna don my tinfoil hat, get in my battleship, and make some loyalty points.
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Occara
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:03:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Occara on 22/06/2007 16:02:25
Well, it really doesn't help that the bug appears fixed for few hours after every downtime.
People keep saying oh it's fixed early in the day after each DT, then the people who work during the day log in and say, "umm no".
Then you have people who start to say ok, maybe it's random.
Not random.
Not fixed.
It is a function of time after the last downtime.
it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15
this.
is.
getting.
old.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:13:00 -
[305]
I sent a petition, and got a response saying they are aware of the issue. I will not saying anything more then that, and of course not post exactly what he said. They are working on the problem we just have to allow them time to find the problem in the huge pool of code, and fix the problem as fast as possible, the best way to do that is to continue to send in petitions as long as its still broken.
What doesn't help of course is being rude about it :)
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:19:00 -
[306]
Originally by: WhitePhantom
I sent a petition, and got a response saying they are aware of the issue. I will not saying anything more then that, and of course not post exactly what he said. They are working on the problem we just have to allow them time to find the problem in the huge pool of code, and fix the problem as fast as possible, the best way to do that is to continue to send in petitions as long as its still broken.
What doesn't help of course is being rude about it :)
Nice visor.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:19:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Occara
it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15
this.
is.
getting.
old.
Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point...
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Titus Eisenhorn
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:23:00 -
[308]
Done one mission and still the same problem. Looking forward to the next shutdown as an escape. Maybe they shouldn't have decreased the patch deployment time? And CCP is really acting now like my government did during Chernobyl, if we don't tell them, maybe they won't notice it, and I really dislike it. CCP please stop being so corporative return back, closer to players. We are ready to help and understand you but only if you respect us.
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Garan Tormas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:29:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Timmeh 2000
The best way to ensure the development team is aware of a bug is to Petition it.
That's a pretty theory. Unfortunately, it isn't working, and that's why this thread is at 11 pages and growing. The response I got, "Agents standings are bugged right now. we are aware of the matter and I hope that it should be solved soon." (emphasis mine).
This is a game-breaking bug. It should be stickied in the known-issues forum. There should be an update with an ETA for a fix. Has nobody ever worked in customer-support at CCP? People don't need an instant fix, they need information and to feel that somebody gives a damn. The only Dev at CCP to show a clue in this area so far was the guy responsible for changing the web character api code that Evemon uses. He posted regular updates about what was being done and when we could expect it to work again. It took at least a week, but everybody quieted down because he admitted the issue, took time to explain it, and kept people informed. Is that really too much to ask/expect??????
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Helspeth
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:41:00 -
[310]
It's disconcerting I keep seeing new player thread crop up asking what's wrong with running missions and this still hasn't been fixed. How hard can it be to track down whatever junk code was put in to add diminishing returns on mission standings? Courier missions are flat out 100th of the standing they used to be, and kill missions are 100th then diminish to zero.
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.22 16:52:00 -
[311]
Could someone advice us how to petition these issues, do i need to create a petition for each mission i don't get the correct standing increase for? Do i need to petition it after each down time, or just after someone at the GM department tells us it is fixed and it isn't? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but i really want to know how to best aproach this issue.
The reason i ask is that some Servicedesks want more Incidents regarding certain issues so that the related Problem will get a higher Priority (and thus will be resolved more quickly). On the other hand i can understand that you guys are already pretty bussy with the new Release and don't want even more Incidents to work through.
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Alex Shrewd
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:03:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Garan Tormas
This is a game-breaking bug. It should be stickied in the known-issues forum. There should be an update with an ETA for a fix. Has nobody ever worked in customer-support at CCP? People don't need an instant fix, they need information and to feel that somebody gives a damn.
Ditto on that, Sir. A very good conclusion of the perfect handling of the problem.
What really strikes me as funny is the quote on the first news on top of eve-online.com:
Quote:
With the enhanced New Player Experience, there's never been a better time to explore the world of EVE.
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Last Dalek
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:14:00 -
[313]
My mains corp runs missions casually. We aren't a macro corp or anything but at any given time normally at least one person will be running a level 4. This bug is really hitting our bottom line hard. Right now folks are off playing with the new scanner and doing other things while they wait for this to get fixed (as everybodies thinking that the standing hit for failing a mission probably didn't get nerfed). Sigh CCP fix this already. As somebody pointed out currently it would take over a decade to work up from a Level 1 agent to a Level 4. This is not good.
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Jane Shroud
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:31:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Michael Caldar
Originally by: Occara
it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15
this.
is.
getting.
old.
Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point...
Won't work. Couriers are now broken too, and even immediately after downtime mine were giving less than 1/3 the standings they did yesterday.
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Wamb'Ah
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:54:00 -
[315]
Hi everyone,
I'm in trial as for now, and thus have no idea of what it should be like. Can anyone give me what a normal L1 mission should yield in terms of standing increase?
I'm getting 0.02% to 0.06%.. ..is that off?
I'm really considering a subscription, but if Eve is grinding stupid drone kill missions for weeks before something else pops up.. ..rather not.
It would be "nice" (rather mandatory) for CCP to release some kind of known bug news item for this. Kind of sucks if people don't do what you pay them money for..
Thanks a lot!
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:57:00 -
[316]
From News-
Quote:
standing bug - fix deployed tomorrow the 23rd
reported by GM Ender | 2007.06.22 17:24:08 | NEW
Greetings dear player,
As you may have experienced, we have been dealing with a bug after the Revelations II launch causing no standings to be conferred upon players following missions. The cause has been found and a fix made which will be deployed during downtime tomorrow, the 23rd of June.
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
Best Regards - The EVE Online Team
Thank you CCP!
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.22 17:58:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Wamb'Ah
Hi everyone,
I'm in trial as for now, and thus have no idea of what it should be like. Can anyone give me what a normal L1 mission should yield in terms of standing increase?
I'm getting 0.02% to 0.06%.. ..is that off?
I'm really considering a subscription, but if Eve is grinding stupid drone kill missions for weeks before something else pops up.. ..rather not.
It would be "nice" (rather mandatory) for CCP to release some kind of known bug news item for this. Kind of sucks if people don't do what you pay them money for..
Thanks a lot!
You should easily be able to get ten times the standings once this bug is fixed.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:07:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Vitrael
From News-
Quote:
standing bug - fix deployed tomorrow the 23rd
reported by GM Ender | 2007.06.22 17:24:08 | NEW
Greetings dear player,
As you may have experienced, we have been dealing with a bug after the Revelations II launch causing no standings to be conferred upon players following missions. The cause has been found and a fix made which will be deployed during downtime tomorrow, the 23rd of June.
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
Best Regards - The EVE Online Team
Thank you CCP!
Well, in that case, the petition category "reimbursement / standings" might as well be removed with that patch too. For technical reasons, of course.
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drackjib
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:20:00 -
[319]
CCP, thank you for issuing an update and letting us know if our standings would be corrected after the bug fix. And also letting us know the bug fix date. I do really appreciate the update.
However, after the comment in the update about your expectations of your players, I feel free to say this as well. In the future, please don't keep your players in the dark. They should be able to expect communications from you on a bug this big and semi-frequent updates, not days after the fact. We're not going to riot if you just keep us updated on an issue this critical. And it doesn't take much time to update us (even though I'm sure devs are exhausted after a patch). As it stands, our expectations due to your track record is that we will continue to discuss amongst ourselves future issues because you are not going to update us. |
DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:24:00 -
[320]
Give everyone a .500 standing increase with every agent they have.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:29:00 -
[321]
Quote:
While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
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In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
Timeline Redghost
Caldari
Regnum-Irae
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:33:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Gothique Mortis
To get rid of the non-stop locking sound, hit ESC, go to Sound. Disable sound completely (the checkbox, not the volume scroll) then turn it back on. Worked for me.
OT Yes for me too, but the next target it's back again lol, all day disabling enabling sound it's not so fine, btw hopefully they will fix.
IT Petitions replyes are always the same, cut / paste. Meanwhile i adviced my corpmates don't do mission until a real patch. It's bugged.
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Srvin Taisorgky
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:40:00 -
[323]
Quote:
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
How about just compensation, say an autographed picture of Miss Iceland 2005 for the mission runners only? Miss Iceland
Would give us all "stoic composure and relaxed acceptance."
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Smakko
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:50:00 -
[324]
Originally by: CCP
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons.
It's possible, but perhaps it might be difficult. CCP's choice of the words "not possible" is either coming from the programmers, who are really saying "it's possible, but it'll be a real PITA to code a retroactive fix", or it's coming from CCP management, who were told the truth by their programmers, but chose to tell the playerbase that a fix was impossible as a way to end discussion of the issue.
Originally by: CCP
While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
Lawl, is this some jedi mind trick?
Here's what you do CCP. You already have code that figures out how much standing to give a player when they complete a mission. Search through the database, and every completed mission since Rev 2 was deployed is looked at by a script. If the standing increase is abnormally low, then the script replaces the old standing reward and recalculates standing for the player.
Now, you can say that this would be an unwelcome burden on your development team, or maybe that you expect such a solution to result in another extended downtime while you pull the database off line and parse it for broken standing increases. But the lack of an attempt at fixing this problem indicates a lack of creativity and/or commitment to the playerbase.
As far as receiving the news with "stoic composure," this issue isn't really that big of a deal to me. I ran maybe 5-6 lvl 4s since Rev 2, and got zero standing increases. Yes I am annoyed, and since I'm mainly concerned with jump clones, yes, your screwup has wasted my time. But I can easily rerun 5-6 lvl 4s... so I've lost a day and a half of mission running. But the fact that you don't treat it as a big deal, and settled for a half-assed solution is not very inspiring.
I think you underestimate how frustrated some new players are, that spent the last couple days grinding missions, trying to get past Lvl 1 agents, and flooded the various chat channels looking for help. Some of those new players ran dozens of Lvl 1 missions before realizing that there was a problem.
How many missions are we talking about? I'm guessing maybe 100k at the most. Running a short function 100k times against your db may take 2-3 hours. The script might take half a day to write, another day to test, then you roll it out either during an extended DT, or just run it in the background. Running it in the background might extend the rollout of the fix to 5-6 hours.
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Hammerhock
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:52:00 -
[325]
Here is more for you with fresh data. Interesting enough, the Storyline missions seem to work just fine.
Mission Data
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Garan Tormas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:54:00 -
[326]
Good stuff. I completely understand about not being able to reimburse in this case. I would disagree that "it is not possible". Damned-near anything is possible in software. But given my (limited) understanding of the mechanics, it would take a ludicrous amount of work to do and I am sure the devs have better things to spend their time on It would be more accurate to say "it is not practical" to go back and fix the missing standings.
Anyway, looking forward to normality being resumed here.
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Occara
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:56:00 -
[327]
frankly, i don't care about compensation, i just want it to work again ;)
I'm a pure combat character, so i'd have to train industrials ;)
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Taoism
IP II IMI IP my pod
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:05:00 -
[328]
Edited by: Taoism on 22/06/2007 19:04:35
Originally by: Srvin Taisorgky
Quote:
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
How about just compensation, say an autographed picture of Miss Iceland 2005 for the mission runners only? Miss Iceland
Would give us all "stoic composure and relaxed acceptance."
lmfao.....nice pic....miss iceland appears to be quite cross-eyed. a programmer in her spare time maybe?
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Fastercart
Gallente
X Project Exile X
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:15:00 -
[329]
Edited by: Fastercart on 22/06/2007 19:14:42
Originally by: Smakko
Lawl, is this some jedi mind trick?
These aren't the Standings we're looking for... Move along.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:15:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Jane Shroud
Originally by: Michael Caldar
Originally by: Occara
it really sucks for me since I am .15 from being able to use a decent agent, but can't play right after the downtimes in order to get that last 0.15
this.
is.
getting.
old.
Hop in an indy - run a few courier missions - you'll be there in no time. As for combats still not fixed - bummer . Wasn't going to complete this AE anyway - too many ATBs dropping , now there's no point...
Won't work. Couriers are now broken too, and even immediately after downtime mine were giving less than 1/3 the standings they did yesterday.
Dunno mate - everything works fine from where I'm sitting (courier missions that is). Including storylines (both combat and courier)
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Killshot DeathBunny
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:19:00 -
[331]
By the looks of this, it's tied directly to the "Me and my gang" split function.
You cannot turn in Courrier missions as a gang, and storyline missions probably do the same thing.
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Traak
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:41:00 -
[332]
Fix being deployed tomorrow:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1494&tid=1
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Traak
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:42:00 -
[333]
No sheath, Shyerlock ?
It was as obvious as daylight what the cause of the bug was, when courier and storylines got you ok standings.
As for "technical reasons" that they can't retroactively reimburse standings... I suppose "being too freaking lazy to even bother trying" is a technical reason. It wouldn't have had to be exact standings "reimbursements", approximate values would have been just fine too. And a bit extra for our trouble, for instance.
Oh well, at least they plan on fixing it... sadly, as they said, yeah... we whine about it, but eventually we "will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance" we always have.
Complaining about it is just a part of that
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:49:00 -
[334]
Not fixed. I just got this myself when doing some level 1 missions for another faction to see their lp shop stuff.
Six missions, 2 of which gave 0.0%, 4 gave 0.0001%. At that rate, it will take a very long time to get to level 2 missions.
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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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JeanClaude DuSoir
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:57:00 -
[335]
Originally from: http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1494&tid=1
"""
Greetings dear player,
As you may have experienced, we have been dealing with a bug after the Revelations II launch causing no standings to be conferred upon players following missions. The cause has been found and a fix made which will be deployed during downtime tomorrow, the 23rd of June.
The bad news is that we will unfortunately not be able to retroactively correct any standings following the fix, as our programmers tell us this is not possible for technical reasons. While unfortunate, we hope that our players will meet this news with the stoic composure and relaxed acceptance we have come to expect from them in the past.
Best Regards - The EVE Online Team
"""
Where are those players? I haven't seen them.
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No siggy.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 20:25:00 -
[336]
To me, it seemed like the perfect time to do some courier missions I never liked to do anyway for research corps... I mean, come to mama, mecheng datacores
And the storyline faction gains aren't bad either.
It's just NORMAL kill missions that are borked.
And supposedly to be fixed after the longer Saturday downtime (due to "new hardware being added").
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New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:02:00 -
[337]
At least we get the full standing HIT when failing a mission
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.23 04:39:00 -
[338]
Yeah a code can be written... that much is certain... do they want to? Who knows... can they do it? Yes? Would it cause another problem? PROBABLY! IMHO its NOT worth the risk. The only downside to this bug is that the eve community has lost at least 7 new players that I know of, 3 of which I referred. I feel for the new people that are on their trial and were expecting soo much more than this and wound up just leaving instead of dealing with it.
To CCP: I have said it in about 13 different bug repors/petitions,YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE CAPSULEERS INFORMED OF ANY BUG IN THE GAME... ESPECIALLY ONE OF THIS MAGNITUDE!I personally contemplated leaving EvE and going back to WoW just for the GREAT customer support, friendly GMs, and above average communication skills of the "powers that be" over there. Your total lack of easy to find public communication referencing a MAJOR bug of this nature WILL NOT be tolerated repeatedly. Sure some will stay because they LOVE the game, but you WILL lose people. I am in a position where I will not tell people not to join EvE, I will however let them know ahead of time that the communication sucks and you guys leave us in the dark about whetever it is that does not make you look good. I call it as I see it... sorry, using your petition rating system, EVE customer support gets a 20 IMHO.
To the players: Please realize that there are several possibilities for this to have gotten this far out of hand...
1: They knew about it and did not have the nuts to let us know it was bugged, hid in their proverbial "corners" until they had a solution to shut us all up.
2: The simply do not have enough people to test and fix stuff like this cause the owners of CCP are too busy sucking it all up and driving their, generally worthless, waste of money, Mercedes to actually pay for more people to handle stuff like this.
3: They just don't give a flying $*@& about us.
4: They could not figure it out, and instead of having to say that they were too slow to figure it out, they simply ignored us or sent us on a wild goose chase having us run more missions so this would spawn new mission codes in the database and they could use THOSE to track down some kind of fix.
BTW, for those of you that have not seen it, there is/was a nifty issue where when you would get jammed by an enemy npc, their jamming bar would literally appear on top of the percentages readout for the shields, armor, and structure display! HOW does something as simple as that escape the quality control? Beats the hell out of me!
Any way you slice it, the GMs here need a serious reality check... WE keep them in jobs. WE keep CCP running. We DEMAND communication when something like this happens again. If we want to change how they operate, the only way is to let them know EXACTLY how we feel about it and we all need to stand up and DO something. File petitions constantly, call em if you can, write letters and make em sign for the letter so you KNOW they got it. Simply, bug them till the listen. Do not just settle down once the damn problem is fixed. Remember, the problem was not the bug, it was their total ignorance to our cries and pleas for SOME kind of stickied post in which they would update us with.
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Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente
Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Posted - 2007.06.23 05:23:00 -
[339]
Originally by: DeathComesToUsAll
Yeah a code can be written... that much is certain... do they want to? Who knows... can they do it? Yes? Would it cause another problem? PROBABLY! IMHO its NOT worth the risk. The only downside to this bug is that the eve community has lost at least 7 new players that I know of, 3 of which I referred. I feel for the new people that are on their trial and were expecting soo much more than this and wound up just leaving instead of dealing with it.
To CCP: I have said it in about 13 different bug repors/petitions,YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE CAPSULEERS INFORMED OF ANY BUG IN THE GAME... ESPECIALLY ONE OF THIS MAGNITUDE!I personally contemplated leaving EvE and going back to WoW just for the GREAT customer support, friendly GMs, and above average communication skills of the "powers that be" over there. Your total lack of easy to find public communication referencing a MAJOR bug of this nature WILL NOT be tolerated repeatedly. Sure some will stay because they LOVE the game, but you WILL lose people. I am in a position where I will not tell people not to join EvE, I will however let them know ahead of time that the communication sucks and you guys leave us in the dark about whetever it is that does not make you look good. I call it as I see it... sorry, using your petition rating system, EVE customer support gets a 20 IMHO.
To the players: Please realize that there are several possibilities for this to have gotten this far out of hand...
1: They knew about it and did not have the nuts to let us know it was bugged, hid in their proverbial "corners" until they had a solution to shut us all up.
2: The simply do not have enough people to test and fix stuff like this cause the owners of CCP are too busy sucking it all up and driving their, generally worthless, waste of money, Mercedes to actually pay for more people to handle stuff like this.
3: They just don't give a flying $*@& about us.
4: They could not figure it out, and instead of having to say that they were too slow to figure it out, they simply ignored us or sent us on a wild goose chase having us run more missions so this would spawn new mission codes in the database and they could use THOSE to track down some kind of fix.
BTW, for those of you that have not seen it, there is/was a nifty issue where when you would get jammed by an enemy npc, their jamming bar would literally appear on top of the percentages readout for the shields, armor, and structure display! HOW does something as simple as that escape the quality control? Beats the hell out of me!
Any way you slice it, the GMs here need a serious reality check... WE keep them in jobs. WE keep CCP running. We DEMAND communication when something like this happens again. If we want to change how they operate, the only way is to let them know EXACTLY how we feel about it and we all need to stand up and DO something. File petitions constantly, call em if you can, write letters and make em sign for the letter so you KNOW they got it. Simply, bug them till the listen. Do not just settle down once the damn problem is fixed. Remember, the problem was not the bug, it was their total ignorance to our cries and pleas for SOME kind of stickied post in which they would update us with.
I think you are the one who needs a reality check here, CCP did a fantastic job in Getting Rev II up before it was expected. There where and always will be bugs that come with patches of this magnitude.
CCP unlike almost all other MMO's do NOT charge you and me for this continuous extra content. From this patch going live on the 20th to it being fixed later on today the 23rd is a very short time indeed.
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.23 05:43:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore
I think you are the one who needs a reality check here, CCP did a fantastic job in Getting Rev II up before it was expected. There where and always will be bugs that come with patches of this magnitude.
CCP unlike almost all other MMO's do NOT charge you and me for this continuous extra content. From this patch going live on the 20th to it being fixed later on today the 23rd is a very short time indeed.
I do not know what jabs at me solves, if you read the last few lines of my post, I am not irritated that there was a bug... there always is, and there always will be. I can deal with that. What I expect is better communication from them. They just let people figure it out on their own... IF they figured it out. There is probably some poor kid out there still running missions and has no idea. And who cares if they got it out early? They probably released it early for some kind of marketing scheme. Or perhaps they felt obligated to release it since it they had announced the release at the fanfest. Who knows. I personally would prefer the release have been held back if it meant not having to listen to people like you make jabs at people that are genuinely upset and have a right to be upset. So before you turn the light on me, make sure you know how to read AND comprehend what was said in the post you are quoting. Wise man once said, "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Sorry man.. you opened your mouth a lil too soon.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:20:00 -
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DeathComesToUsAll, while I concur with you about the insufficent communication, and I feel that CCP should have done a general annuncemebt after the bug was first signaled, there are some point I want to make about both the bug of wich you speak:
1) standing bug: I will bet some million isk that the problem was linked to the auto adjusting rewards system, who was adjusting the standing too, without a minimun level of reward. So doing, 1 or 2 or even 10 times a single missions hadn't a noticeable effect. Only when revelation II came live on tranquility the missions started to be run hundred if not thousand of times every day and the rewards started to plummet.
I will point to the fact that courier missions and storyline missions were less affected than regular missions. They are run less, so the "adjustment" was felt less. For the same reason some of the less liked combat mission had better standing gang (even if still lower than normal) than the more liked.
2) Quote:
BTW, for those of you that have not seen it, there is/was a nifty issue where when you would get jammed by an enemy npc, their jamming bar would literally appear on top of the percentages readout for the shields, armor, and structure display! HOW does something as simple as that escape the quality control? Beats the hell out of me!
This is even easyer to guess: QA is using large screens, while a good number of players is still using screens that require low resolution. To do a good work in QA some of the people doing that should use obsolete machnes, but probably the aren't.
For the screens is self explanatory why they are using the latest models, the health regulations about work conditions. As the more recent screens are easyer to the sight it is clear that they are preferred for use for people working long shifts at the computer.
So both the problems have slipped QA with eas, the first because it was not detectable by a small number of testers, the second because of the machines.
Were CCP as erred is in the comunication departement. as the standing bug was a major bug and should have signaled immediatly. If they needed more data they could have asked people to run the mission the same, giving some small incentive to people doing them (even a simple thank you will have ben sufficent for a good number of players).
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:27:00 -
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Quote:
The only downside to this bug is that the eve community has lost at least 7 new players that I know of, 3 of which I referred
What?
I dunno about anyone else, but I played the game for a month before I even realised what standings were :/ If they left because of a bug which has only been around 4-5 days, and which rose to the forums pretty quickly, and which CCP made a move to act on reasonably quickly (compared to other bugs) then they aren't really cut out for eve.
To be honest, this bug is a bit of a **** in the river as far as inconveniences are concerned.
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Kachote
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kachote on 23/06/2007 06:54:04
While i DO agree that CCP lacked communication in this matter, I seriously don't understand people that claim they might leave if an official response was not forthcoming. If they had said that no bug existed... ok. But they didn't. They just did not take the initiative of simply saying "we're looking into this bug immediately/soon and will fix it as soon as we know what the source is", something they should have done, but not something we can't live without.
This reminds me of the "customer is always right" attitude. I mean no offense, but people that claim they will leave are probably the kind of people that use that phrase as much as they can. I've worked in multiple customer service departments and that "law" is not true. Just something people imagine they are entitled to.
So please calm down and think things through before making such claims. Otherwise, you just look like a baby throwing a tantrum because mommy isn't quick enough to give you your pacifier.
No offense, seriously.
P.S: To those that got angry at doing missions without knowing this, i share that as i got very annoyed when i saw this. But hey, I'll live. We all will.
Peace mateys
Stupid alt taking control of my post grrrr.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.06.23 07:17:00 -
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patch has been up for 3 days. It tkaes time to go throuhg all the code, verify the bug, and fix it.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.06.23 08:27:00 -
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The point about being kept informed is a valid one. How hard is it to post a few lines saying something like "There is a bug and we are working hard to fix it. Your patience and understanding would be greatly appreciated" ?
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Smakko
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.23 08:47:00 -
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CCP was not upfront on this. They attempted to hotfix the server due to this bug, but did not respond to petitions, nor did they post anything to the News page till the next day, when they admitted that the hotfix had not worked and that they still needed more time to roll out a fix. They really dropped the ball on this one.
It's like if I was playing one of those other MMOs and suddenly my character stopped gaining xp. While my skills are still training, I'm locked into the same content, unable to advance. And don't get me started on how crappy low end content in this game is. But my main issue is not that CCP broke something, but that their fix is half-assed. I feel like they should explain why they're not going to attempt to fix things retroactively, because I don't buy the "it's impossible to retroactively fix" line at all.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.23 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Smakko
I feel like they should explain why they're not going to attempt to fix things retroactively, because I don't buy the "it's impossible to retroactively fix" line at all.
That is what bugs me too.
We know they use an SQL databse. We can see transaction logs of every individual gain. Filtering those out of files takes too much processing time, disc access is slow, whatever storage solution you use. Recalculating them every time takes too much processing time too.
So, we end up with a summary field for the standing for each player, and most likely multiple tables for the individual gains, with a triggered stored procedure that updates the summary on modification. These transaction tables can be altered and the stored procedures update them, or the standings reimbursement petition category is useless.
So from an outside POV, they counted the entries with very low standing gains since rev2 deployment and figured it would tie up their support crew for a week to fix this, as too many people ran missions as they didn't know about it. An automatically applied scripted fix may have a too big margin of error, no doubt there.
It may be economic suicide, yes, but not technically impossible. And the big numbers of standing gains that need to be readjusted, that is a hole they dug themselves when they didn't issue a warning. I know I feel lied to right now, and I guess everyone who has ever worked with an SQL database does too, when he reads it is "technically impossible" to edit a value in a database.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.06.23 10:52:00 -
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ho do you find how much standing increase each mission gives ? (like one of the tables I saw in here?)
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St Elsewhere
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:31:00 -
[349]
Hmm, i just did a level 3 after downtime and i didnt get any increase at all :(
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Squirrly Miner
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:20:00 -
[350]
Just been doing the cashflow for capsuleers missions on a new alt, got no standings gains above 0.001%. So, not fixed then.
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Zasses
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:21:00 -
[351]
Be nice if there was info from the GM's on the patch if it went well or if its borked.
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Alis Aquilae
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:25:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote:
The only downside to this bug is that the eve community has lost at least 7 new players that I know of, 3 of which I referred
What?
I dunno about anyone else, but I played the game for a month before I even realised what standings were :/ If they left because of a bug which has only been around 4-5 days, and which rose to the forums pretty quickly, and which CCP made a move to act on reasonably quickly (compared to other bugs) then they aren't really cut out for eve.
To be honest, this bug is a bit of a **** in the river as far as inconveniences are concerned.
It's pretty obvious as a new player when your trying to get to level 2 missions (without connections trained), that it is going to take quite a while with the 0.0 gains..
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:47:00 -
[353]
Fixed i think*
Linkage
An important is lined up next, ill check that out.
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thesirrent
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:46:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Galk
Fixed i think*
Linkage
An important is lined up next, ill check that out.
Not working for me :d
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Zo5o
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:05:00 -
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It is fixed for me. I just ran Right Hand of Zazzmatazz twice in a row after DT, and got a 3.6something% increase both times.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
The Wild Hunt
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:40:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Zo5o
It is fixed for me. I just ran Right Hand of Zazzmatazz twice in a row after DT, and got a 3.6something% increase both times.
This may not mean it is fixed. previous posters have indicated it is a progressive drop from what seems normal down to 0.0% or close to it. let us know what happens as you run 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, missions.
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Antikon
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:19:00 -
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looks like it's working for me, cranked out a few level 1's after downtime to check.
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0706/standingbugFIX.JPG
I don't know what the gains should look like, as I haven't run missions in near a year, but the numbers are definitely improved and thus far (knock on wood) consistent.
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DeathComesToUsAll
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:37:00 -
[358]
i have run 2 missions with my old lvl 2 agent so far and i have recieved what seems to be the correct rep gains for those missions. Further testing will commence upon my arrival at home late this evening. Good luck to all.
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WillisCorto
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:08:00 -
[359]
Ran 4 missions - no change in standings
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WillisCorto
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:11:00 -
[360]
My bad - it just changed
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YT28
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:00:00 -
[361]
Has anybody been grinding missions since the patch today and can they confirm whether standing gains are still progressively dropping towards 0.0%?
Has the patch definitely worked?
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Fugi'et'Occulto
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:27:00 -
[362]
Edited by: Fugi''et''Occulto on 23/06/2007 20:34:44
I am grinding L2's as fast as I can, here's my current results:
Standings
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Jus Lookin
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:07:00 -
[363]
I just ran a couple of courier missions, level 4s, and they both gave the same standing as they did pre-bug.
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