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jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:42:00 - [61] As has already been said - regardless of how "taken by surprise" you were - there was nothing stopping you from loading up on as much strontium as was humanly possible. If you had been smart enough to do that, you could have gone and hired half of EVE to come defend your POS when it came out of reinforced 36 - 48 hours later. Yes! You got taken by "surprise". Yes! Reinforced mode is there to counter that fact. We used the tools available to us, you didn't use the tools available to you. In the end it lost you your POS. -- Latest Vid: Domination!
GingerBeef	Posted - 2007.06.21 05:29:00 - [62] The Array built 4 capital ships in the 6 months or so it was around, none were sold. another hollow justification, another nice try.
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 05:35:00 - [63] Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 05:35:48 Originally by: GingerBeef The Array built 4 capital ships in the 6 months or so it was around, none were sold. another hollow justification, another nice try. This is EVE. We don't need justification. We couldnt fight a normal war with your main corp because you sat in the station all day, so once we found the pos we quickly notice POS's can't dock to avoid a fight You should be thanking us, your POS will go down in history as being the first pos taken down in high-sec, and will serve as a warning to all high-sec POS owners that their POS's are no longer invulnerable.
Badhands Gallente Gottland Production Transport Mines	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:08:00 - [64] Some people will cry about anything Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:15:00 - [65] Edited by: cal nereus on 21/06/2007 06:14:16 This sounds like Germany attacking Russia in World War II. Adolf was such an exploit-*****...
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:36:00 - [66] Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 06:35:54 Originally by: Badhands Some people will cry about anything Dunno why they didnt load it up with stront. Might have actually saved their POS. Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 21/06/2007 06:14:16 This sounds like Germany attacking Russia in World War II. Adolf was such an exploit-*****... Godwin's_Law
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:41:00 - [67] Originally by: Covert Oops Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 06:35:54 Originally by: Badhands Some people will cry about anything Dunno why they didnt load it up with stront. Might have actually saved their POS. Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 21/06/2007 06:14:16 This sounds like Germany attacking Russia in World War II. Adolf was such an exploit-*****... Godwin's_Law Glad you brought that up. So, is this topic finally dead?
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:56:00 - [68] Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 06:58:31 Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Covert Oops Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 06:35:54 Originally by: Badhands Some people will cry about anything Dunno why they didnt load it up with stront. Might have actually saved their POS. Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 21/06/2007 06:14:16 This sounds like Germany attacking Russia in World War II. Adolf was such an exploit-*****... Godwin's_Law Glad you brought that up. So, is this topic finally dead? Not just yet: GingerBeef: What happen ? Neutral Logistic Alts: Somebody set up us the bomb. Chimeitekina Chikara: We get signal. GingerBeef: What ! Chimeitekina Chikara: Main screen turn on. GingerBeef: It's you !! Mercanaries: How are you gentlemen !! Mercanaries: All your starbase are belong to us. Mercanaries: You are on the way to destruction. GingerBeef: What you say !! Mercanaries: You have no chance to survive make your time. Mercanaries: Ha Ha Ha
Dirt McGirtt Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:09:00 - [69] Someone got BBQ'd
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Dirt McGirtt Someone got BBQ'd Just after the tower went.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Santa Anna This made me chuckle. Having a tower without stront anywhere is foolish. If nothing else it gives you some warning to decide whether it's worth defending against whoever is attacking. Second, if you'd read the patch notes you'd know you can anchor guns after going into reinforced, allowing you to run out and drop some stront in the tower in the hour or so before fighting began if there wasn't any and go pick up whatever guns you can find to stick on there once the tower goes into reinforced. You also could have used the time to unanchor and remove any modules you wante to save (though not enough time for the tower). Using the extended DT was clever on your attacker's part, but it's not like he used any information you didn't have access to. You should have been ready. Tell me again how you deploy weapons to a high sec POS. Also Known As
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:22:00 - [72] Quite clever actuly although i would class it as a cheap trick, but clever :)
Ankah Tragica	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:27:00 - [73] cunningly planned, well done. It's tough on the loosing side, but hey, it always is. War is war, and maybe this learns people to remember that this is all about pvp.
Sinola	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:49:00 - [74] When I read that at first I said "thats an exploit". After reading the whole story I had to change my mind: I is not really fair, but it was planned and executed in an excellent manner!
Maaku	Posted - 2007.06.21 16:12:00 - [75] It was a clever use of an opportunity. The issue here is when Rev 3 comes out (or some other long downtime occurs)...will it be twenty wardecs instead of just one, and thousands of players hammering on the login server as downtime progresses on the theory that every second may count when the server comes up?
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:08:00 - [76] Okay I have to ask was it really a cunning plan or just when the contract was agreed to and the deposit received?
Shilikahn	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:38:00 - [77] I think if a GM got involved he should have stopped both sides. If it is an exploit to use alts to rep a POS, why are they allowed to spy? (24/7 afk cloakers ) to haul?(freighter runs). to steal?(get ganked in high sec lately). I think this GM has opened a tremendous can of worms. how do you know they are alts? maybe they were loyal players looking to help friends? future or past corp members? Use of alts is a widely used in game mechanic. not that i condone it. so i am posting with my alt
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:18:00 - [78] Edited by: Covert Oops on 21/06/2007 20:17:02 Originally by: Shilikahn I think if a GM got involved he should have stopped both sides. If it is an exploit to use alts to rep a POS, why are they allowed to spy? (24/7 afk cloakers ) to haul?(freighter runs). to steal?(get ganked in high sec lately). I think this GM has opened a tremendous can of worms. how do you know they are alts? maybe they were loyal players looking to help friends? future or past corp members? Use of alts is a widely used in game mechanic. not that i condone it. so i am posting with my alt Nothing wrong with using alts. However normally when you heal a war target (like a players ship) regardless of what corp you are in you got flagged to the players enemies and their enemies could opt to shoot you down. But there was a bug, where they could heal a war target (like a POS) and not get flagged to the POS's enemies. They knew this and exploited it as much as they could. But since they had such a short time to prepare they didn't have enough time to properly prepare their exploiting neutral alt fleets.
Mitchman Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:27:00 - [79] FYI, if anyone should have any doubts, Covert Oops is not an alt of any Omniscient Order member. We don't post with alts. New video: All Aboard The Pain Train
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Mitchman FYI, if anyone should have any doubts, Covert Oops is not an alt of any Omniscient Order member. We don't post with alts. Correct. I'm involved, but I'm not in Omniscient Order.
Captain Agemman Minmatar Legio Ultra	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:34:00 - [81] Originally by: Covert Oops Originally by: Captain Agemman Originally by: Covert Oops [...] Nah, CCP just decided to take the servers down just as we decided to war dec and we had to do it before the server went boom, [...] So cute. It's cheap. Yes. I know. Thanks for letting me know. It's not an exploit. YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY, SIR! Can't remember to have ever made any such allegation, sorry.
Mordorg Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.21 20:53:00 - [82] I think allowing it set a very very bad precedent. Next extended downtime there will be dozens, and the next, hundreds of last second war declarations. This will become the way to declare empire wars.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:01:00 - [83] Originally by: Mordorg I think allowing it set a very very bad precedent. Next extended downtime there will be dozens, and the next, hundreds of last second war declarations. This will become the way to declare empire wars. Patches are not that often ;P The only real reason to do it the way this was done was so they could kill the stuff without hassle, I rekon they woulda easily won either way, but this way was a lot faster with a lot less hassle ;).. If your going to use an alt corp to put down a pos, just make an alliance (duh)...
Santa Anna	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Mordorg I think allowing it set a very very bad precedent. Next extended downtime there will be dozens, and the next, hundreds of last second war declarations. This will become the way to declare empire wars. I don't think that'll be an issue. There's really no excuse not to be somewhat prepared for a war dec at all times. This episode will serve to reinforce the reward for readiness which, IMO, is a good thing.
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2007.06.21 21:44:00 - [85] OMNOR were contracted to take a high sec POS down as soon as possible. They did that. I assume the matter has been petitioned, in which case just wait for the GMs to respond. If they find it to be "exploitive play" then you'll be reimbursed. If it hasn't been petitioned, then complaining here isn't going to make a difference. All said, OMNOR had a job to do and they did it. They've moved on, perhaps you ought to too. Drone Calculator (final release)
GingerBeef	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:05:00 - [86] "They knew this and exploited it as much as they could. " um sorry feeble minded fool, Just how did we "know" this and exploit it? The first comments on voice comm's where they're ignoring us and concentrating on the pos. how ignorant of you too think we would know you were ignoring us because you couldn't do something. We were praying you would shoot us so we could come back in equal force. Oh the irony. The bigger exploit is in fact us not allowed to repair the pos while it is under attack. and one major part of the game mechanics were not working letting you fire away, even you know this. Its only someone vindictive such as yourself that would assume we would know its a bug, in the heat of the attack we didn't even notice. None of the people helping were alts. Not a single one of them, it's amazing how sad and pathetic you look trying to justify this for your self and your corporation.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.21 22:25:00 - [87] After reading this all I it is an exploit, but not of the game, but of your naivety (is that even a word?). Nobody said it couldn't happen, you just decided to believe it wouldn't happen (at least not to you). As they say "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Final note: Good job on those who took part in this. Keep Eve dangerous and keep the players thinking and on their toes. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Covert Oops	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:07:00 - [88] Originally by: GingerBeef "They knew this and exploited it as much as they could. " um sorry feeble minded fool, Just how did we "know" this and exploit it? I'm not sure actually. I think it might have been something to do with trying to recruit random people from local saying there was no risk and that they would get paid if they helped.
Urdatorn	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:53:00 - [89] Wassen't it possible to avoid the 24h time betwen a wardec and the actuall war before, not exactly sure about the details, but it was asosicated with joining/leaveing alliances or somthing along those lines,pretty sure it's fixed now dossen't that basicly leave the question if avoiding the 24h preptime before wardec by using downtime as cover is an exploit answerd?
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 22:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Urdatorn Wassen't it possible to avoid the 24h time betwen a wardec and the actuall war before, not exactly sure about the details, but it was asosicated with joining/leaveing alliances or somthing along those lines,pretty sure it's fixed now dossen't that basicly leave the question if avoiding the 24h preptime before wardec by using downtime as cover is an exploit answerd? No actually quite the reverse, when a corp left an alliance they still had to keep being part of the war for 24 more hours, to avoid corps leaving alliances mid fight etc. So what you would see was a corp declaring you than instantly retracting (with fighting being allowed immediately and for 24hr only). In reality this corp was already technically at war with you, as part of an alliance. As far as I know it's still that way, it was never a bug in the first place.

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