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Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Third Down on 22/06/2007 10:25:40 Now, I've just seen the fraps of Shrike going down. And I'm no fan of BoB - yet it seemed to me that a Titan shouldn't die that fast. There should be a battle royale raging for hours about it. And we all know it's over a thousand times as massive and vastly more expensive than a POS. So why does it have so little HP, by comparison? A large tower has 50m HP; the Titan merely 1.2m. And so the film has Shrike's tank collapsing, and they're through the armor within moments. The fraps makes it look almost like a ganking. I suggest the HP should be an order of magnitude up. A ship of the purported majesty of a Titan should go down in hours, not minutes.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:20:00 - [2] shrike alt TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Chode Rizoum shrike alt Not possible, shrike is sleeping :P ---
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:31:00 - [4] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 22/06/2007 10:31:17 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 22/06/2007 10:30:07 Originally by: Third Down Edited by: Third Down on 22/06/2007 10:25:40 I suggest the HP should be an order of magnitude up. A ship of the purported majesty of a Titan should go down in hours, not minutes. No. Because if it takes hours, the titan can fire it's doomsday multiple times, killing the whole support fleet that could possibly hold it down. Also increasing blobbing, that means more lag, and more nodecrashing in that period of time. It is not that the goons had only 3 BS there, it was a mighty force not every one is capable of building up. I pew therefore I am.
Raxxius Maelstrom	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:31:00 - [5] Problem. You have 10 mins to kill a titan after if fires its doomsday, else it'll just jump away.
Fable Hike Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Third Down Edited by: Third Down on 22/06/2007 10:25:40 Now, I've just seen the fraps of Shrike going down. And I'm no fan of BoB - yet it seemed to me that a Titan shouldn't die that fast. There should be a battle royale raging for hours about it. And we all know it's over a thousand times as massive and vastly more expensive than a POS. So why does it have so little HP, by comparison? A large tower has 50m HP; the Titan merely 1.2m. And so the film has Shrike's tank collapsing, and they're through the armor within moments. The fraps makes it look almost like a ganking. I suggest the HP should be an order of magnitude up. A ship of the purported majesty of a Titan should go down in hours, not minutes. have you seen how many dreads were shooting at it? You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
Cedric Diggory	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:07:00 - [7] Watching that made me wonder: did he fit a damage control? The hull just melted!
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Chode Rizoum shrike alt Not possible, shrike is sleeping :P *shaking. He'll be trying to sleep, but thats not gonna happen for a good 6-7 hours.
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Third Down on 22/06/2007 11:14:30 Originally by: kill0rbunny Because if it takes hours, the titan can fire it's doomsday multiple times, killing the whole support fleet that could possibly hold it down. I don't see what's bad about that. You're killing the biggest ship in the game. The damn thing should be able to use its primary weapon a couple times. And in that scenario, only a ****** FC would commit absolutely everything he has all the time. Originally by:** kill0rbunny It is not that the goons had only 3 BS there, it was a mighty force not every one is capable of building up. They should still have taken hours, not minutes, to kill it.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:18:00 - [10] Btw where is that movie ur talking bout ? Link me ! ---

Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Third Down Edited by: Third Down on 22/06/2007 11:14:30 Originally by: kill0rbunny Because if it takes hours, the titan can fire it's doomsday multiple times, killing the whole support fleet that could possibly hold it down. I don't see what's bad about that. You're killing the biggest ship in the game. The damn thing should be able to use its primary weapon a couple times. And in that scenario, only a ****** FC would commit absolutely everything he has all the time. Originally by:** kill0rbunny It is not that the goons had only 3 BS there, it was a mighty force not every one is capable of building up. They should still have taken hours, not minutes, to kill it. you missed his pun. Shrike probably died in his sleep. Apparently, shrike was a man living with the motto "I'll sleep when I die" in mind. Assuming that a man needs 1 hour of sleep for every 3 he's awake, he now gets to sleep for the next four months or so. Get the pun now? Everybody is doing it, everybody knows it and CCP is turning a blind eye. I'm not that bothered tbh as long as people don't get the banstick for changing other people's skills while others don't get it for sharing supercapital accounts.
Tuea	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:22:00 - [12] where the vid pls?
Marcus Alkhaar Conisor Excavations Syndicate Antagonistic Assembly	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:23:00 - [13] just FYI. a Titan can get the same effective HP as a small pos Originally by: Tanksmann just so you you know putting "Dev" or "Tux" in the topic probably lessens the dev attention your topic receives
Gee Lok	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:32:00 - [14] IMO for the titan is a balance between being invincible and too vulnerable. For titans that is a VERY fine line. Before revelations 2 it was too invincible. It could cyno out of combat instantly, so no one could possibly hold it down. Now it is too vulnerable. It is slow, manoeuvers like a small mountain, and is easy to trap with bubbles. Perhaps more armour hitpoints would be a good idea. It would give greater buffer to allow their support fleets to protect them. The key would be to not tip the scales back in the other direction and make it too invincible again.
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:41:00 - [15] When you fit t1 drones in a titan it should die even faster
RogueWing Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:12:00 - [16] Search this forum. There were LOTS of threads calling for Titans/Motherships to be nerfed. CCP gave in to the masses and now Titans/Motherships are easily killable.(They are also much easier to build now with the changes in Soverienty.) They are just another ship in the game. They will be built and they will be lost. "...and by the way, this is all copyrighted and the reason for this will become apparent later."
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:27:00 - [17] Wow, less than a week into Rev II and people are screaming "Boost Titans" wtf??!?!
n0thing omen. D-L	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:36:00 - [18] Titan is a fleet ship. Thus if its under focused attack it either will die or need to relay on its support to get stuff off from it. It`s HP is fine as it is. So, next thread will be boost DDD to kill super-caps or what? Seriosly, get over yourselfes and stop posting useless suggestions, theres enough whine threads already, choose one. ---
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:02:00 - [19] LInky the fraps vid? PLZ!!! I wana see this, and see how much of a support fleet the titan had, or didn't have. And just how many dreads were killing it.
Nobuo213	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Donathan Slade LInky the fraps vid? PLZ!!! I wana see this, and see how much of a support fleet the titan had, or didn't have. And just how many dreads were killing it.

LoOnY PaRk Black Nexus Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:02:00 - [21] Edited by: LoOnY PaRk on 22/06/2007 15:01:34 Look at the bob KB and see how many Dreads were shooting it, thats why it died fast. end of. look at the facts before you start to whine :)
TimMc Phoenix Inc	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:29:00 - [22] The titan shouldn't have HP similar to a POS since a titan can warp/jump out, a POS cannot. Honestly the titan is damn expensive because it fits that damn ***** of a gun.
Zeros Omega Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Raxxius Maelstrom Problem. You have 10 mins to kill a titan after if fires its doomsday, else it'll just jump away. Correction: you now have 10 minutes to properly bubble the titan before it just jumps away --- History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed, but another has opened. And on the other side... our future...
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Donathan Slade LInky the fraps vid? PLZ!!! I wana see this, and see how much of a support fleet the titan had, or didn't have. And just how many dreads were killing it. Vid link is on page 23 of Darwin's Contraption thread in CAOD.
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Gee Lok IMO for the titan is a balance between being invincible and too vulnerable. For titans that is a VERY fine line. Before revelations 2 it was too invincible. It could cyno out of combat instantly, so no one could possibly hold it down. Now it is too vulnerable. It is slow, manoeuvers like a small mountain, and is easy to trap with bubbles. Perhaps more armour hitpoints would be a good idea. It would give greater buffer to allow their support fleets to protect them. The key would be to not tip the scales back in the other direction and make it too invincible again. Congratulations on being the first person in this thread to not run away from the point. Absolutely yes. Everyone else here just wants to gank a Titan.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:29:00 - [26] The titan was not meant to be an OMGWTFBBQSOLOPWNMOBILE. It was meant to be a fleet support ship with its jump bridge and fleet wide bonuses. The doomsday device was a tactical option it was given. It was not designed to be able to doomsday everything and then quickly escape it was designed to doomsday and then be supported by its fleet. I think the nerf has been very balanced, titans are still amazingly useful but they arent unstopable anymore. Firkragg
Badhands Gallente Gottland Production Transport Mines	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:33:00 - [27] Shrike didn't have the support fleet a titan deserves. If he had, he wouldn't have gone down. When it's 180 vs 10, the 180 have it, and that's the way it should be. Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Donathan Slade on 22/06/2007 17:25:41 Edited by: Donathan Slade on 22/06/2007 17:25:17 Originally by: Firkragg The titan was not meant to be an OMGWTFBBQSOLOPWNMOBILE. It was meant to be a fleet support ship with its jump bridge and fleet wide bonuses. The doomsday device was a tactical option it was given. It was not designed to be able to doomsday everything and then quickly escape it was designed to doomsday and then be supported by its fleet. I think the nerf has been very balanced, titans are still amazingly useful but they arent unstopable anymore. Well thought out and stated. /agree

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Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:55:00 - [30] With skills and gang bonuses, a Titan can easily have more than 1.5 millions HP. Repeat after me: ONE POINT FIVE MILLIONS HP. That's an already freaking huge enough amount, don't you think? Espescially when you consider that it's running high-end officer tank on at least a third of it, and got a damage control to boot. Titans that takes hours to kill? Lol, some of us have a life besides Eve, and I don't see myself say to my boss "sorry, I'll sleep at work today, we had a titan to kill" ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.

OwnedBy Me	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:56:00 - [31] He forgot his remote repping carriers, if he had had them, the battle would have taken a long time.. Long enof time for him to jump into safety.. RA/GOON play it smart, they let BOB gank and be a bit relaxed and then comes a crussing blow. Same does AAA.. and it works
Gor Cretin Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:23:00 - [32] A link to the fraps would be good unless it's in post production right now.
Ciuci FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Shadowsword With skills and gang bonuses, a Titan can easily have more than 1.5 millions HP. Repeat after me: ONE POINT FIVE MILLIONS HP. That's an already freaking huge enough amount, don't you think? Espescially when you consider that it's running high-end officer tank on at least a third of it, and got a damage control to boot. Titans that takes hours to kill? Lol, some of us have a life besides Eve, and I don't see myself say to my boss "sorry, I'll sleep at work today, we had a titan to kill" To be able to use that tank you need one little thing :) you guesed it ... CAPACITOR :)
OwnedBy Me	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Ciuci Originally by: Shadowsword With skills and gang bonuses, a Titan can easily have more than 1.5 millions HP. Repeat after me: ONE POINT FIVE MILLIONS HP. That's an already freaking huge enough amount, don't you think? Espescially when you consider that it's running high-end officer tank on at least a third of it, and got a damage control to boot. Titans that takes hours to kill? Lol, some of us have a life besides Eve, and I don't see myself say to my boss "sorry, I'll sleep at work today, we had a titan to kill" To be able to use that tank you need one little thing :) you guesed it ... CAPACITOR :) Use ur carrier fleet that is on standby to remote rep armor and energi.. Its not a WTFOMG-Solo-Pwn-Mobile... Its a titan that with the right support can kill an entire fleet.. Why do u think bob doesnt lose that many capitals in cap fleet vs cap fleet.. Because they remote rep, then it is possible to tank a 40 cap for quite some time.. Enof of the titan to cyno out.. The only way the titan died was because bob didnt had any backup.. Its just like ur carrier cant tank 10 bs and 10 support ships.. The titan cant tank 180 people...
JenDen Caldari LFS Corp	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:46:00 - [35] Originally by: OwnedBy Me The titan cant tank 180 people... Thats what people like op want - titan that tanks 180 people :-o
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:49:00 - [36] If you actually watch the video, you can see that Shrike's armor stayed at almost 90% for a good long time, very likely because it was being remote repaired by supporting carriers (such as mothership pilot Juan Andalusian). Later in the fight, when those carriers left, it went down much faster under the fire of over two dozen dreadnoughts, carriers, and battleships, and even then it took sustained fire over nearly five minute until it finally died. If it had a larger support fleet of not only remote-repping carriers but also dreadnoughts and subcapitals, it may have survived the entire engagement or at least lived for much longer. A titan pilot made an error in judgment and was met with overwhelming force by anyone's standards and died. I don't see anything unbalanced with that at all.


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