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CHAOS100
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:11:00 -
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make a new server with exodus patch...
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:43:00 -
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I dont think i agree with the op. I came back to the game 6 months ago after an 18month break, so exactly 2 years ago almost. There has been much more small gang pvp since i rejoined, if anything, for me at least, less running into blobs and generally more fun. The introduction of recons and interdictors has led to a much more diverse and interesting pvp environment imo. I genuinely believe this. I also have had quite a lot of solo action too.
However, i do agree that POS's and capital ships have had a certain negative effect.
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maria stallion
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:56:00 -
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I agree with Ugluuk mostly,
I think eve becomes more boring with every patch to publish.
-solo pvp is nealry impossible
-cap ship equals borings hours and hours staring at a hostile or friendly pos.
-new station services if eve wasn't boring enough yeah lets add another day of shield transporting to get the services up again...
Back in the old days you could go of with a raven mega or what ever you liked and you could kill some **** with a decent setup.
now you need a gang to get anything done simply because game mechanics don't allow solo pvp anymore.
it's a shame and I hope ccp will try to make the game a bit more intense again and not all pos shooting and repairing...
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The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:03:00 -
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Snip* Originally by: gordon cain
the privateers days are over.
No, they are not over, not yet away. Is it much harder? Yes. But even given that it is still viable. It simply costs more than it did and we have to be selective and focused.
We took a big whack, no doubts about that but we will make it back.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:23:00 -
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In many ways you are right. And every change that came with Rev 2 is just gonna make it worse.
Heat doesn't help at all, too much damage on he mod, taken way too fast to matter most of the times.
You can use it either to get final shot, or to break the 38% of a passive shield tank so you overheat the guns at 45% or so.
If anything, that 30% to range on webbers is ... idiotic. Huge nerf on Curse, Vagabond, Sleipnir, Claymore, Rupture, Zealot ... most of the solo, skirmish warfare ships right now in the game. It does improve the Dominix/Megathron/Tempest/Tier 2 BC's ... see a pattern here ?
Then there is the sov crap. Correct me, but CCP said that "we will bring the small gangs in action again", where is it ?
Fact of the matter is :
- low-sec pvp is not worth it. You need an alt to do the shoppings - especially if you are 10m SP and more as you go into T2 ships and T2 stuff for the ships, and you get targets only by gate-camping with SB BS's or with a big number of at least Tier 2 BC's.
- 0.0 PVP is the arena of capitals, supercapitals, with now added moat and 1+ month defences to grind through, just to keep the big bad black knight away from the scared villagers within.
- high-sec PVP is still the only one that is left if you want tops BS class ships. You might get blobbed, or maybe not, but 1-2 pilots can still make a difference. And CCP nerfed it. Thanks CCP for nerfing Privateers.
I'm waiting for CCP's announcement of uber platinum insurance that covers mods cost and of letting capitals in high-sec but only in the same grid with the cyno.
You think it won't come ?
Just wait. :)
On a happier note, I have been playing for little over a year so I am not bored yet. I am curious to know if in 2 years i will write a similar thread and link Ug's thread there.
PS: Still can't get my mind off how idiotic the whole Heat thing is.
Heat is stupid.
Why ?
Because you most of the times don't overheat your guns, you will overheat your armor tank but not for more than 1min as you may take just too much damage, and the bonuses that it gives to the mid-slot tackling gear are just way too overpowered.
Decrease the damage given to the module, and decrease the bonuses to the module, or give them a chance system to take effect.
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With JudgeReinhold
Gallente
Legal Team
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: maria stallion
I agree with Ugluuk mostly,
I think eve becomes more boring with every patch to publish.
-solo pvp is nealry impossible
-cap ship equals borings hours and hours staring at a hostile or friendly pos.
-new station services if eve wasn't boring enough yeah lets add another day of shield transporting to get the services up again...
Back in the old days you could go of with a raven mega or what ever you liked and you could kill some **** with a decent setup.
now you need a gang to get anything done simply because game mechanics don't allow solo pvp anymore.
it's a shame and I hope ccp will try to make the game a bit more intense again and not all pos shooting and repairing...
It is pretty ironic that station services, which CCP promised would revitalize small-gang pvp, have become just another checkbox on the capital blob's to-do list.
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turnschuh
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:37:00 -
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regarding privateers:
turnschuh5 > @Oveur, will Factional Warefare be simular to what Privateers have been pre-nerf? (in a positiv way, lots of pvp in empire, not the nub ganking part)
CCP Oveur > turnschuh: yes, something along those lines
CCP Oveur > you'll be fighting soldiers from other empires
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:42:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 23/06/2007 22:43:04
Originally by: With JudgeReinhold
Originally by: maria stallion
I agree with Ugluuk mostly,
I think eve becomes more boring with every patch to publish.
-solo pvp is nealry impossible
-cap ship equals borings hours and hours staring at a hostile or friendly pos.
-new station services if eve wasn't boring enough yeah lets add another day of shield transporting to get the services up again...
Back in the old days you could go of with a raven mega or what ever you liked and you could kill some **** with a decent setup.
now you need a gang to get anything done simply because game mechanics don't allow solo pvp anymore.
it's a shame and I hope ccp will try to make the game a bit more intense again and not all pos shooting and repairing...
It is pretty ironic that station services, which CCP promised would revitalize small-gang pvp, have become just another checkbox on the capital blob's to-do list.
And they are not even denying. When i read that dev blog about how they are intentionally trying to make a fortress out of a station, i then and there realized that the amarr problem is not a problem because 90% of eve plays caldari, 7% gallente and 2.999$ minmatarr, so screw amarr.
Most of the additions they made lately has either been hastily made or without much thought - remember how many times you were told on SISI about i-stabbs Tux before they were changed on TQ ?, and many times just been more bling bling than actually thought in the implementation.
I mean the drone regions and the effect they had on mineral prices, on the fact that drone regions are still bugged, on the fact that Heat is not balanced and that it was tested for just a few weeks on SISI.
But on the other hand they had plenty of publicity.
Don't get me wrong, i just loved invention and what it did to T2 price cartels - invention and LP shops have been well thought out, but now i have mixed feelings about them, since everybody can now afford a HAC and just shrug it off as a very small loss.
I do hope that the devs have in the future a change towards less ISK given to the player because right now, you can buy + fit a HAC with 1d of ratting in a region such as Pure Blind, which just about says it all.
PS: 1d of ratting in PB or 2 level 4's. :(
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Potty
Caldari
World Order
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Potty on 23/06/2007 22:53:33
EDIT* - I did write a long post about how over the past four years EvE has got worse. From alliances, ships and most recienty POS to the general attitude of the community and CCP. but I would have just got flamed and told to play WoW*
On a side note, last night I found my EvE CD case + manual which was a nostalgia read.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:13:00 -
[100]
Only issue I have with eve is the ******* lag
- Recruitment open again-
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lethario desrtuction
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:19:00 -
[101]
I agree and feel the old days of fleet fights are over---Now for the old school members enjoy--http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1544316036
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lethario desrtuction
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:22:00 -
[102]
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1544316036 sorry guys works if you cut and paste
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:40:00 -
[103]
Rev 2 helped solo pvp abit. Ccp do abit more plz.
Pwnage PvP Recruitment
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:45:00 -
[104]
I wasnt playing that long ago, but given the decline i have seen since I moved to 0.0 it must have been amazing.
There is no point going out solo anymore, I still love the rax, I used to camp and run up and down a nice pipe and through a few ratting/mining systems in it every day.
A few days ago a saw a deimos... now that should kick the **** out my rax right... but it fled, i figured there must be a reason for this, fitted with stabs or carrying something amazingly expensive... I chased him for 2 jumps before jumping into a gang of his mates who all promptly ganked me.
It could have been an easy solo kill for him, but no ones willing to risk it anymore.
HP Boost has made damn sure if you fight the scout you fight his buddys.
AFs, my old prime target, are now not worth flying as a t1 fitted t1 cruiser will rip their guts out if the pilot is in anyway competent.
Hell the thorax can go 2 or 3 vs 1 with AFs now.
Dont start me on titans and motherships... the ridiculousness of CCP's decisions with these boggles the mind.
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Gungankllr
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:49:00 -
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I get around the whole anti-blobtastic thing by fighting people that think the same way I do.
Most of the people in and around Venal, Branch and Pure Blind (for the most part) like to run small to medium sized raiding gangs, and you can get some freaking awesome fights out of them.
But yeah, I do miss the fights I used to get a couple of years back before Capitals.
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Gray Carmicheal
Valiant Logistics Inc.
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.24 00:01:00 -
[106]
I remember how Eve was when I started playing, which was the period Ug's talking about.
I remember studying Ug's style because it was the way I wanted to play, and still is. Difference? I can't do it much anymore.
Totally agree Ug. I miss pre-Cap Ship Online.
This Sig is Within Rules. :P
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The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 01:41:00 -
[107]
Question is, are they listening to us at all, or just letting us whine about it and hope this thread runs it's course?
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Deep Throat
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:16:00 -
[108]
ok i wrote like a page and half about this.. but got cut off as i pushed post reply
anyways, in short, i toally agree
and i think its mostly cause of blob,conquest player driven empire stuff and the interdictor
why this game is getting more and more boring
like someone said, nobody likes to loose, so its endless backups and then more backups, everyone huddles up in core systems with wasteland inbettween
in short, boring, stagnant, predictable, unimaginative
solutions:
-loosen it up
nr.1 add more jumps everywhere, give more possibilites, more manuverability, less control
make everything look like jita area or amarr area..
nr.2 add npc stations everywhere with cloning, make it impossible to control 10 regions with massive blobs and doomsdays and gatecamps, make it chaotic,make it interesting
nr.3 get rid of the interdictor for good, it only makes ppl not want to take risks and do nothing, everyone likes to have em and nobody likes to face em, cause they are the decidding factor.. if u loose a fight everyone dies.. and in the end.. nobody fights.... it is the best ship in the game to have but it also destroyes all the combat element and fortifies the blobbing
nr.4 restrict capital ships for combat severly, penalties and more penalties.. so that they wont be used as much unless it is really needed
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Surreptitious
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:30:00 -
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EVE has gone from girlfriend to wife. 10x the effort for 1/10 the reward. DX10 games will play the role of my attorney.
I think the best EVE has to offer has passed for people like us. When I first started playing 4 years ago EVE was a good sustitute for an FPS, with pirates and low sec the action was literally that intense and readily available. It has been far short of that for about 2 years now and the Privateers were the closest we had come to being back there. I do understand its an MMO and shouldnt be compared to an FPS but the current state of affairs is just horrible. Im either bored to tears shooting a POS for hours or spending hundreds of millions of isk a week to have a select few wars in empire. Can we have somethign in-between?
To ask for its hay-day back is impossible considering the adjustments required. The one saving grace could be faction warfare. But barring complete empire PVP mayhem I fear it wont quelch the thirst some of the PVP community has developed.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Wolf Pack Enterprises
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:55:00 -
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Quite what the attorney role is I can only guess... Here goes.
"Billed by the hour for an outrageous starting fee, and then a multiplier over a certain threshold. This includes thinking time while in the shower of course. Not guaranteed results to your liking. Very very difficult to change without paying a "admin" fee."
Apart from that, I still prefer my idea of a "league table". Corps that want to go back to "the old days" team up in groups of five or six, ten even if it can be afforded. One Corp each week wardecs the others. The winner is the corp with the best results, whatever that means of course.
PvP fun, industrial based fun for supplying outfitting and the like and empire is kept interesting again. Sure it may end up with stations being camped but that happens in empire/npc region wars anyway. Killboards for each corp could be set up on one website/league.
Too expensive? Too organised? What do you think?
Life is about memories the more the better.
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UndergrounD
Caldari
Grumpy Old Farts
Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:19:00 -
[111]
Ugluuk speaks the truth
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The Ratfink
Itto-Ryu
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:20:00 -
[112]
I couldn't agree with you more
but.. now lets sit in the 'CCP Seat'
/CCP Seat mode
I couldn't agree with you more we hate blobs too not only is eve not designed to be blob warfare it is havoc for the servers!. Hence we are making the following changes to break up the blobs produce incentives such as 'Battleball' where you get small group bonus's for not blobbing, bombers abilities used against huge groups of gangs that blob. Infact the bigger the blob the more damage it takes on from the bombers. The sovereignty issue is being looked into by ways of making mini objectives for taking a pos down instead of sitting there and shooting aimless for 10 hours a day.
/CCP Seat off
So if CCP said the above to you which in some ways they already have, how would you respond to these changes? i guess we can only see when they get around to implementing any of these ideas.
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xeom
Coagulated
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:56:00 -
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Even low-sec has turned into just ganks.I can't even find a solo pirate or small pirate groups to have fun with anymore.And when ever there is just 1 or two of them out comes carrier so fun.
Small scale is pvp is gone.
I don't see CCP stopping any of this.Huge blobs,big expensive items,bigger time sinks to show off. All things that get them more subscribers.The sad part is I'm still playing for some stupid reason =|
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:22:00 -
[114]
Time for T2 anti cap BS?
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:32:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Phelan Lore
Time for T2 anti cap BS?
As much as I was against the Ideea of a T2 BS, it might not be such a bad ideea. :)
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Farscape Hw
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:52:00 -
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i agree with ugluuk completly. this game is getting borring for me.
i wish ccp would stop putting more complicated crap in this game and just fix the problems the last several loads of crap they put in the game caused.
flying with pandamic legion has brought back some fun into the game for me as they engage larger gangs and have adapted to the stupid crap everyone here has learned to live with. but everytime i lose a ship to a recon webbing me, nossing me, dampening me, jamming me, all from 40-50km... or fighting a mothership that is like god mode... it brings me closer and closer to just throwing my hands up and giving up on this game that sways further and further away from pvp.
nano bs's were awesome for some of the ******** tactics station hugging carebear noobs in carriers were using. but like all things in eve that carebears complain about, it was nerfed. i have adapted properly though. my machariel is not what it was b4 the nerf but it still gets us some carrier kills every now and then.
and theres also the lag. everytime something new is added to eve, it gets worse. its getting so bad i dont even feel like logging in on weekends(thats when the server likes to have "database issues"). i have a short clip in video section of these forums of where i lose a megathron because 40 ppl were too much for the system to handle. and when i petition and, and i did, i will wait up to 2 months for a response. just to be told to go screw myself. ffs who do i think i am? Dianabolic? i have no friends on msn.
if i had 1 isk for every time i closed eve in discust because of the obvious favoritism... ide be flying a titan.
thats my whine for this week.
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Tearvygh Quillam
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:08:00 -
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All in all, it could be great if we didn't have lag with 50 palyers in the system and server going down 3 times a day...
Unbalanced developpement has been fixed from time to time, but lag was never put to rest in a decisive way.
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Tearvygh Quillam
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:09:00 -
[118]
All in all, it could be great if we didn't have lag with 50 palyers in the system and server going down 3 times a day...
Unbalanced developpement has been fixed from time to time, but lag was never put to rest in a decisive way.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:10:00 -
[119]
All in all, it could be great if we didn't have lag with 50 palyers in the system and server going down 3 times a day...
Unbalanced developpement has been fixed from time to time, but lag was never put to rest in a decisive way.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:37:00 -
[120]
Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2007 09:38:26
Originally by: Phelan Lore
Time for T2 anti cap BS?
You really think caps are the problem?
Or more likely nobody engaging anything he's not sure to win and nobody bothering chasing them as you know they will vanish in thin air as soon as you corner them. Fun & games.
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