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Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.22 22:59:00 - [1] The Eve community is known to play the most advanced pvp game available today.. PVP is the most attracting thing with Eve and has caught the attention of thousands of people who wanted more than just the chop chop die dwarf pvp of Warcraft and other wannabe online games.. The game is about tactics just as much as it is about skills.. This was the game where 4mill skillpoints could beat 15mill skillpoints if the pilot had his head put on the right way that day.. NOW LETS GO 1-2 YEARS BACK! I loved to log in cause unlike most other online games i didn`t have to depend on other people to enjoy it.. I could jump into my ship, undock and fly into the deep space looking for targets.. The joy of entering belt just as the target warps out..Belt VII-3, he warped to belt VII-3.. I hit the mouse as hard as i could while thinking warp dammmmit warp!!!! Bah wrong belt..And i had ALL those 2 belts to choose from..The scanner pops up, does he have a safespot? AHA, he doesn`t..He is at planet V. Scanned him down and killed him..Sometimes.. We had legends to look up too..Names that made your pants walk to the kitchen and get you a beer to calm you down.. You could go into a fight with the scanner open..360 scan..No one around lets kill this guy fast and warp out before backup arrives.. Fleet fights where the biggest ship was a battleship.. You could fight for hours in the greatest lag you have ever experienced and your body would be in the same condition as after seeing 3 hooters ladies bounce their pyramids for you in 3 seconds.. That was the days when you couldn`t sleep cause you had to think out a great Thorax setup for tommorow.. Unfortunately things have changed..Some for the better like player owned structures, tech2 ships and great graphics.. But also lots have gone completely wrong.. If we go back up to me thinking of Eve 1-2 years ago..The scanner that was your own toolcase which you learned to master to get more kills.. Now it is useless.. You go into a fight..3 in local..Dominix vs Dominix..360 scan, no one around..Ok i`ll engage.. Wtf, that Domi pwns hard.. You look at your killmail and see that what was a 30 second fight was a Domi vs Domi and carrier.. You jump into a system, start scanning and first belt you see a Raven.. Click the mouse as hard as you can and the adrenaline starts pumping.. You scan the belt 40 times in the 20 seconds it takes to arrive.. After 15 seconds the Raven is gone..360 scan: gone.. All that`s left of him is his drones..He is either cloaked in belt or warped off and cloaked.. You go and get your guys and move into 0.0 with 25 bs looking for a fleet fight.. A: everyone gets popped by a DD B: It becomes 25 vs 25 fight..BS vs capitals C: No one wants to fight you cause their 40 bs lack enough jamming and capital backup.. What is Eve turning into? For those who enjoy team work and lots of isk grinding it is a awesome game like no other.. But for the old school that learned to play the game the hard way it`s getting a bit Zzzzzzzzzz.. Going out solo was an option with the brilliant Privateer Alliance but carebears won that fight too.. When it comes to myself i am loosing.. After 3 years the carebear has caught up with me.. He got more power when it comes to changes in the game.. He can instakill my BS with 3 years of pvp experience behind it by getting a mothership with a brilliant tech1/officer fitting.. What can i say to end this post: It`s like real life..The rich and insecure get more benefits and it is a shame.. Now stop whining Ug..and start making isk http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Necronomicon on 22/06/2007 23:04:16 1st on an eye killing post? EDIT - With that out of the way, I managed to read it before my eyes melted and agree, the game has changed a helluva lot in the direction of the epeen. Only way to ensure solid oldskool fights is to pick a foe with similar assets (which is getting harder to tell these days) Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:08:00 - [3] Quote: Now stop whining Ug Said it yourself
clagnuts Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:19:00 - [4] totaly agree dude ,
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:22:00 - [5] like written from the deepest part of my heart
Psrina Dorsai	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:31:00 - [6] Since you dont like eve anymore, and Im new , Can I have your stuff ! Crybaby
Raoul Endymion Gallente x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:33:00 - [7] Ugluuk, you're spot on mate, and i agree 100%... Eve has changed for the worse in my opinion, and if id had to choose between now or 2 years ago, id go with the past since there was no capitals, no dictors and pos warfare didn't exist (beside in some delusional dev's head) On the other hand, why do i still play ? well, its still fun at some level since i still get to shoot people now and then, nice corp mates to fool around with and the usual forum drama.. theres most likely better games out there to wast your sparetime with, but im used to eve and how stuff works, so im gonna stick around for some time.. x13 Website ~ x13 Killboard ~ x13 Recruitment
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:35:00 - [8] The destruction of the battleship as the core of any fleet will be the end of this game. Try camping now and someone jumps in with the same number of ships; invariably one of them cyno's in a carrier or two. Can they do something about it; yes. will they - no. Because CCP do not want to hold onto the old players; they want the newer ones more. Battleships need the nerfs to damage and range undone; it was all they had to fight against these changes and it was stripped away without much thought.
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:49:00 - [9] Edited by: SwindonBadger on 22/06/2007 23:59:06 its still out there. the fun ur looking for long time ago It was bullsy to take a loan bs around but still very powerfull. who was it from the russians, hellspawn and ... crusher.. yer those guys rocked they fit stabs ect but they would fight way outnumbered and just the 2 of tem roaming in fix space. I recon they would be able to do the stuff they did then now if they wanted to but just differnet ships. If ur going solo take a curse or nice recon and a dictor. All u need, hell for me just a sabre and bubles v the world. A roaming bs can still do it but ull need more wits with enemy recons and dictors about. Getting a fiar fight... thats very hard to find but ull be suprised when u meet the right folks what fun can be had. There is alot of folk that only wat ratio, or gank smacks but there are also alot who like decent pew pew. the people that become the strongest fighters will do it from getting uneven fights not in there favour, this doesn not always meen numbers... but ships v ships and skills. what u want to aviode at all costs are big war zones, people there are fighting for homes. U go poke the bea hive and u see how many come out if they have been feeling under threat. it aint easy but its very possable , have had good fights with lots of people including the late D2. If u go in big numbers exspcet a big welcome. Go to close to a hive exspcet a swarm. Play it cool and ull do fine. eddit poss capitol home defending stuff is eppic in world space but not too fun, small skirmish with bs tackle and a hand full of carriers each side priceless in gaming exsperiance. ( and im a small fast ship lover) recent fights with kia iac and co where very very enjoyable and I bet all invloved got their moeneys worth (some lag but not too bad since it wasnt poss and territory stuff). they add a very nice dynamic in small gangs that lift ur gaming exsperiance to a new and deeper level. Mothers rock but yer titans.. dont add better game play in a fight... looks nice though but gah.. it neeeds to be a one volly carrier gun! that would rock for fun and make them very powerfull when they are needed for poss defence v the ships that can kill a poss.. all I know is Ive had more fun this last few years since I started. U just might need to change ur ships and locals.
Agent2 Holtze Amarr x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 22/06/2007 23:50:04 I miss the old days. Eve have become a chat program for me. And i'm 100% agreeing with you ugluuk. Posting and you!

Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:52:00 - [11] i agree Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
The Anointed Caldari KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Agent2 Holtze I miss the old days. Eve have become a chat program for me. Quote: I say the same thing, although the mind has a bigger capacity for remembering good things from the past than bad. My enjoyment relies on the community I play with, or at least it used to.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:08:00 - [13] thats the most **** ive ever heard in my life. in and around venal these days there are great fights. i realy dont know what you guys all complain about.
laotse Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:14:00 - [14] eve did die some time ago, all this cap **** didnt help. atm it is just a mather of time before 1000 people log in to see a great game fall down and never to stand up again http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Felony Assualt Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Ugluuk The Eve community is known to play the most advanced pvp game available today.. PVP is the most attracting thing with Eve and has caught the attention of thousands of people who wanted more than just the chop chop die dwarf pvp of Warcraft and other wannabe online games.. The game is about tactics just as much as it is about skills.. This was the game where 4mill skillpoints could beat 15mill skillpoints if the pilot had his head put on the right way that day.. NOW LETS GO 1-2 YEARS BACK! I loved to log in cause unlike most other online games i didn`t have to depend on other people to enjoy it.. I could jump into my ship, undock and fly into the deep space looking for targets.. The joy of entering belt just as the target warps out..Belt VII-3, he warped to belt VII-3.. I hit the mouse as hard as i could while thinking warp dammmmit warp!!!! Bah wrong belt..And i had ALL those 2 belts to choose from..The scanner pops up, does he have a safespot? AHA, he doesn`t..He is at planet V. Scanned him down and killed him..Sometimes.. We had legends to look up too..Names that made your pants walk to the kitchen and get you a beer to calm you down.. You could go into a fight with the scanner open..360 scan..No one around lets kill this guy fast and warp out before backup arrives.. Fleet fights where the biggest ship was a battleship.. You could fight for hours in the greatest lag you have ever experienced and your body would be in the same condition as after seeing 3 hooters ladies bounce their pyramids for you in 3 seconds.. That was the days when you couldn`t sleep cause you had to think out a great Thorax setup for tommorow.. Unfortunately things have changed..Some for the better like player owned structures, tech2 ships and great graphics.. But also lots have gone completely wrong.. If we go back up to me thinking of Eve 1-2 years ago..The scanner that was your own toolcase which you learned to master to get more kills.. Now it is useless.. You go into a fight..3 in local..Dominix vs Dominix..360 scan, no one around..Ok i`ll engage.. Wtf, that Domi pwns hard.. You look at your killmail and see that what was a 30 second fight was a Domi vs Domi and carrier.. You jump into a system, start scanning and first belt you see a Raven.. Click the mouse as hard as you can and the adrenaline starts pumping.. You scan the belt 40 times in the 20 seconds it takes to arrive.. After 15 seconds the Raven is gone..360 scan: gone.. All that`s left of him is his drones..He is either cloaked in belt or warped off and cloaked.. You go and get your guys and move into 0.0 with 25 bs looking for a fleet fight.. A: everyone gets popped by a DD B: It becomes 25 vs 25 fight..BS vs capitals C: No one wants to fight you cause their 40 bs lack enough jamming and capital backup.. What is Eve turning into? For those who enjoy team work and lots of isk grinding it is a awesome game like no other.. But for the old school that learned to play the game the hard way it`s getting a bit Zzzzzzzzzz.. Going out solo was an option with the brilliant Privateer Alliance but carebears won that fight too.. When it comes to myself i am loosing.. After 3 years the carebear has caught up with me.. He got more power when it comes to changes in the game.. He can instakill my BS with 3 years of pvp experience behind it by getting a mothership with a brilliant tech1/officer fitting.. What can i say to end this post: It`s like real life..The rich and insecure get more benefits and it is a shame.. Now stop whining Ug..and start making isk Wow. Eve couldn't be summed up any better. The only problem is it now is boring as ****. The only kills are ganks big fun there or a suicide mission where you end up with more kills than losses agaisnt a overwhelmingly force. Eve needs to go back to the basics.
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:24:00 - [16] "That was the days when you couldn`t sleep cause you had to think out a great Thorax setup for tommorow.." that was my birth right to fix, the rax! this was the 2 mwd 10 heavy drone v enemy 2 mwd rupture days I lost sleep alot of sleep over that ship, todays its a sabre and how I think the enemys sabres are fitted. new ships same rush. ps just had my first RL eve meet with the 0B folks in london, ull be happy to know scops is trying to aviode the local blues in a stolen boat on the river themes, we hope he returns safly after his early morning pirating but we are not holding our breath * hick * I do miss quite a bit of stuff but I just think DD is the only real gameplay killer. The rest is down to u me and evreyone else and what u bring to a fight.
PC5 ClanKillers	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:25:00 - [17] Edited by: PC5 on 23/06/2007 00:28:55 Agreed. I still have those old time videos of beautiful long fleet fights without capitals. That was something i wanted to experience but what i found out after changes in games? Capital blobs, titan warfare (f***** DDD), lag, quick fights, long POS hugging waiting for fight, quick death after x hours of waiting. Yes, there are some good changes of course but... One question remains : "How did it come to this?" Sometimes im wondering why im playing this game, sitting and waiting so many hours for action, its so damn boring! Other games have tons of fun but thats EVE were playing. Lets hope changes will be always for better.
Kurst I Simtech Productions Peons of Doom	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:29:00 - [18] Well, nice to hear that some guys would like to go back to the roots. My char was born last year in september, so "noob" looks quite adequate. However, u guys played that game for some years and whine about the lost old-school pew pew. But please take the time to understand the "noob" side of the game. I would have started playing in 2003, but unfortunately noone told me about this game. So when I go out to shoot some stuff tonight, I'll probably meet some guys who got way more SP than I do...perhaps I die, but thats not the point. U guys play this game long enough and have so many skill points (and isk...well, if u don't have the isk, u made a mistake) that all of u should be able to gate-camp in a nyx like Ign0ramus does. I think I get ur point, but please be reasonable and try to understand the noob's point: I've been in many fights, and in most cases, this game is not about skills, but about skill points. There is no way to catch up for a noob, no matter how much effort he puts in it. I have no idea how often I have been killed so far, but in many cases, I didn't die because a lack of the skills, but because of lack of skillpoints and isk. If u think that anybody should feel with u, please go and play WOW, cause for us noobs, it's way harder than u probably can imagine. Greets, Kurst I
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:30:00 - [19] Originally by: SwindonBadger ps just had my first RL eve meet with the 0B folks in london, ull be happy to know scops is trying to aviode the local blues in a stolen boat on the river themes, we hope he returns safly after his early morning pirating but we are not holding our breath * hick * Hehe..Tell sc0rps to take a few beer for me and watch out so he doesn`t drown.. I need him to bug me every now and then..:) http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
Zerodragoon Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:31:00 - [20] Personally I think this train could should roll back to castor, or hell exodus + the first bug fix patch, hell ANYTHING before the POS giving sovereignty patch and cold war since then the games gone down hill. Bring back BS fun and no more laggy POS sovereignty (the brand new "territorial control" stuff is really a step in the wrong direction) fights, and the days when titans were supposed to be completely NON-COMBAT SHIPS. All thats sucked the fun out of eve, along with the performance and playability. -------

Plaetean Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:32:00 - [21] It's a sorry state, but I agree totally. People are so much more obsessed with winning eve, winning space, fights, making sure they don't mess up on their killboards or make their alliance efficieny drop etc that the fun in the game completely disappeares. Solo flying is near impossible, and capitals + super capitals are being built all over the place; their numbers will only rise and rise over the coming months too. Imagine what the game will be like in another 6 months, how many titans and motherships there will be, how ridiculously big the blobs will become, how you'll have to wait for a 10 man gang to form up just to roam around low sec. Then again I won't be playing then anyway. -----
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Ugluuk The Eve community is known to play the most advanced pvp game available today.. PVP is the most attracting thing with Eve and has caught the attention of thousands of people who wanted more than just the chop chop die dwarf pvp of Warcraft and other wannabe online games.. The game is about tactics just as much as it is about skills.. This was the game where 4mill skillpoints could beat 15mill skillpoints if the pilot had his head put on the right way that day.. NOW LETS GO 1-2 YEARS BACK! I loved to log in cause unlike most other online games i didn`t have to depend on other people to enjoy it.. I could jump into my ship, undock and fly into the deep space looking for targets.. The joy of entering belt just as the target warps out..Belt VII-3, he warped to belt VII-3.. I hit the mouse as hard as i could while thinking warp dammmmit warp!!!! Bah wrong belt..And i had ALL those 2 belts to choose from..The scanner pops up, does he have a safespot? AHA, he doesn`t..He is at planet V. Scanned him down and killed him..Sometimes.. We had legends to look up too..Names that made your pants walk to the kitchen and get you a beer to calm you down.. You could go into a fight with the scanner open..360 scan..No one around lets kill this guy fast and warp out before backup arrives.. Fleet fights where the biggest ship was a battleship.. You could fight for hours in the greatest lag you have ever experienced and your body would be in the same condition as after seeing 3 hooters ladies bounce their pyramids for you in 3 seconds.. That was the days when you couldn`t sleep cause you had to think out a great Thorax setup for tommorow.. Unfortunately things have changed..Some for the better like player owned structures, tech2 ships and great graphics.. But also lots have gone completely wrong.. If we go back up to me thinking of Eve 1-2 years ago..The scanner that was your own toolcase which you learned to master to get more kills.. Now it is useless.. You go into a fight..3 in local..Dominix vs Dominix..360 scan, no one around..Ok i`ll engage.. Wtf, that Domi pwns hard.. You look at your killmail and see that what was a 30 second fight was a Domi vs Domi and carrier.. You jump into a system, start scanning and first belt you see a Raven.. Click the mouse as hard as you can and the adrenaline starts pumping.. You scan the belt 40 times in the 20 seconds it takes to arrive.. After 15 seconds the Raven is gone..360 scan: gone.. All that`s left of him is his drones..He is either cloaked in belt or warped off and cloaked.. You go and get your guys and move into 0.0 with 25 bs looking for a fleet fight.. A: everyone gets popped by a DD B: It becomes 25 vs 25 fight..BS vs capitals C: No one wants to fight you cause their 40 bs lack enough jamming and capital backup.. What is Eve turning into? For those who enjoy team work and lots of isk grinding it is a awesome game like no other.. But for the old school that learned to play the game the hard way it`s getting a bit Zzzzzzzzzz.. Going out solo was an option with the brilliant Privateer Alliance but carebears won that fight too.. When it comes to myself i am loosing.. After 3 years the carebear has caught up with me.. He got more power when it comes to changes in the game.. He can instakill my BS with 3 years of pvp experience behind it by getting a mothership with a brilliant tech1/officer fitting.. What can i say to end this post: It`s like real life..The rich and insecure get more benefits and it is a shame.. Now stop whining Ug..and start making isk /singed Agree completly. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:42:00 - [23] I don't think the Capitals did the Pvper any favor. The fact you need fuel to jump! wtf! It did CCP a lot of favors, ermm how many cyno alts do you have and how many extra accounts did you need to get? Nice way of bleeding the players for more cash if you ask me. Is captial combat more fun? not really just require a lot more NPC'ing to get a new ship. Did they make capital combat lag free and more fun? <-- forgive me, I have sinnd and put a question mark. Eve actualy looks worse now, has not really moved on with graphics and stuff. I think playing C&C3 made me think of that. Give me back the days before the T2 lotteri and POS warfare and just fix the bugs. Best thing CCP did - added 25/50% to ammor so you lasted a little longer in combat. We now have had the T2 lotteri that made the carebears rich beyound the needs to have pvper and we have pos warfare thats a pain in the ar.. and keep you up at all hours because of a strongt timer Do I like eve, yes so you do get my stuff, just yet. has it been more fun than since 2-3 years ago, actualy no. Is it still the best MMORbla bla out there. Ohh yes. Room for improvement... I think so. So you want to join us?
Stormhold Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Stormhold on 23/06/2007 01:04:39 Edited by: Stormhold on 23/06/2007 01:03:38 I didn't play "2-3 years ago" since my character is a bit under 2 years old, but I have to say EVE has became a more boring place. A part of it is just golden nostalgia and the feel of a new game, but part of it is just like described. There's 4 capital ships in my last lossmail, and that was us being in a gang of 8. No real problem except that this suiciding is emptying my wallet and forcing me to kill npcs soon, damnit. EVE's still the best since all other game develops seem to be more or less wimps who only want total carebearism and that's the sole reason I still am paying for my accounts.
EzSnake Caldari The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:09:00 - [25] I agree 100%!!!!!!! This game has gone to the cowards, the days of solo are rare, everyone plays bait games w/ their buddies in the winds hiding Mainly just see high SP bad arse ships going for solo miner/hauler/ratter ganks (which have never been hard). Fair fights are over, as everyone is too afraid to lose their 100-300M ships, it took them all week to get isk for... not really their fault, no one wants to lose that much isk ship, it's CCP's fault!! Player driven market prices seems all good, but this is the result in that...overpriced ships = less ppl willing to lose it (**** insurance on t2 ships doesn't help). Personally I think something like a lock limit of ships that can target another ship(2 (maybe more for caps)) should be applied. That will insta-pop this insta-popped ships by 30 frakin ships on 1 crap!!! I think that will help TONS with this game providing some solidly fun PVP! ________________________________________________ Next MMO
Dalanoria Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:11:00 - [26] Isnt EO doing better then it ever has ? I dont remember 33k people online on a friday before the last 6 mo.....
Dalanoria Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:13:00 - [27] Originally by: EzSnake I agree 100%!!!!!!! This game has gone to the cowards, the days of solo are rare, everyone plays bait games w/ their buddies in the winds hiding Mainly just see high SP bad arse ships going for solo miner/hauler/ratter ganks (which have never been hard). Fair fights are over, as everyone is too afraid to lose their 100-300M ships, it took them all week to get isk for... not really their fault, no one wants to lose that much isk ship, it's CCP's fault!! Player driven market prices seems all good, but this is the result in that...overpriced ships = less ppl willing to lose it (**** insurance on t2 ships doesn't help). Personally I think something like a lock limit of ships that can target another ship(2 (maybe more for caps)) should be applied. That will insta-pop this insta-popped ships by 30 frakin ships on 1 crap!!! I think that will help TONS with this game providing some solidly fun PVP! It took me 3 months while I trained recons to get enough isk to properly fit a Curse and Pilgrim. They both died within days of fitting them trying to solo. You guys invented the gate camp, I didnt...
Gitt Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:17:00 - [28] After 4 years in game you get used to the changes! and this is still the best game around!
Mr Vrix Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:18:00 - [29] I think it was you ugluuk that came wandering through geminate the other night? Got to say, chasing you around back and forth was the best fun I personally had all night, thats despite having a few kills in gate camps, trapping a few people, and the fact you actually got away Very nice flying btw. Like it used to be so to speak, no "bubble up" as your cloaked ship spots a shuttle about to jump on the other gate,just chasing for the giggles. I have to agree with you. Started the game in 2003, took a break of 5 months or so, when I came back POS stuff had just started, and cap ships where rolling out. Changes to the way you HAVE to play if you want to have any 0.0 property strangles me...the recent change to resources outside outposts I think has put the final nail in it for me in regards the sov thing. Not going to discuss why, it just has things that do not sit right. As has been mentioned though, there are a lot of people out there still finding ways to have a lot of fun, without the huge cap fleets,stations,everthing else,so hope for us yet!
Ravelin Eb Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:32:00 - [30] I do agree with some points you have made, enough so that if offered to say, transfer my char to a server running eve as of 2 years ago, i wouldnt hesitate to say yes.



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