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Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:57:00 - [61] I haven't actually watched this yet, but I'll throw in some thoughts. First, regarding the PPV aspect, the big objection raised is the "watch once" nature, and that's going to put a lot of people off. Timebombed DRM isn't a perfect solution (personally I'm dead against DRM of any sort, but I understand why you might feel the need to use it) but it's a hell of a lot better than having to pay again if you want to watch part of the show again. Short term DRM licenses is what the TV stations use for their catch-up downloads, and it works well. No solution is going to stop the shows being converted and uploaded on p2p networks, so stop trying to prevent it completely and try helping the viewers out a bit. The other technical and content aspects have been well covered I think, so on to the criticism of the presenters. As I understand it, none of these (new) people are actually experienced presenters - this was a first time for them as well as the new show. I know FortunaFive personally and can tell you this: Yes, she's an actress (and a damn good one); No, she's not a presenter; Yes, she is a gamer, but No, she hadn't played Eve before, and yes, she is perhaps a little too sensitive and over-reactive at times. I assume the others are in similar positions so don't give them a hard time. Constructive criticism is fine (like telling Stevie not to hide beind the script), but please try not to be too harsh at a personal level. More comments like "Fortuna is smokin'!" I'd encourage (and echo) though.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:59:00 - [62] Well, where to start really. I'd just like to thank eve-tv for providing the launch broadcast for free. Mainly because I would never pay for this ****e in its current format. The whole set looks very fake and like it was made in somebodies bedroom, the presenters obviously have no experience in broadcasting a show before. They speak way too fast to understand, and the varying audio levels helped not one bit. Spiraljunkie could not look any more uninterested in his interview with hellmar, and he definatly needs to invest in a +4 charisma implant. So yeah, I won't be parting with my cash anytime soon for eve-tv.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:03:00 - [63] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 23/06/2007 18:06:00 Well I have to say that over all I was impressed. (I was a naysayer). The stream Was excellent (to the USA) and the Video quality was good (a little too good Vis-a-vis the sets.) I liked all the presenters (though I didn't see Beefy Diddler)you all did a good job. The MC Piece admittedly was the best segment, but I like how you opened up with some action oriented iteams like the High sec ganking, and how the new Rules may affect it. Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. The Helmarr interview dragged on a bit (Not enough detail on how the Privy Council works.)But he did give interesting "10,000" ft view or things. I won't go on about a teleprompters or Audio Quality, name Captions etc. You've read more than enough and already have a better idea of what to work on. That's Mechanics and easily correctable over time. What you really had was good Content that held my interest throughout the entirety of the program. So I'm not so worried about Umms and ahhs, and all that minutia . The Real issue is the Format and the Price..... due to problems that "can" and do happen with streaming as has been pointed out you all profit from poor connections. There is now way for me to go back and review without paying the piper again. That is not a good Business model. Oh sure it might sound profitable but in reality it just serves to alienate your clients and encourage piracy (Causing you to lose revenue stream). I Understand needing to protect intellectual property and I respect that, but you should consider moving to a more user friendly delivery. IE Once we pay for it we should be able to watch it again without incurring further cost. (Or a limited number of viewings say 5 or 10 and you should be able to pause and rewind as many times as you like without incurring more charges) But as it is now I am not sure I will pay to see the next one beyond my remaining credits. (A few of which were squandered due to an earlier DL issue on another Eve Piece). But These issues are for the business side.. As for the Talent you all had a good first show, we know you will take alot of the suggestions to heart and work on what you nee to Work on....Now its the Business side's turn... Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:05:00 - [64] Edited by: StevieSG on 23/06/2007 18:04:46 Originally by: Ecktor Slein I haven't actually watched this yet, but I'll throw in some thoughts. The other technical and content aspects have been well covered I think, so on to the criticism of the presenters. As I understand it, none of these (new) people are actually experienced presenters - this was a first time for them as well as the new show. I know FortunaFive personally and can tell you this: Yes, she's an actress (and a damn good one); No, she's not a presenter; Yes, she is a gamer, but No, she hadn't played Eve before, and yes, she is perhaps a little too sensitive and over-reactive at times. I assume the others are in similar positions so don't give them a hard time. Constructive criticism is fine (like telling Stevie not to hide beind the script), but please try not to be too harsh at a personal level. More comments like "Fortuna is smokin'!" I'd encourage (and echo) though. Cheers for this, I second it-it's a new show, and we love the game which is why we want to do it, and it takes pratice to get eveything right. What would be a shame is if us girls felt unable to do our jobs for fear of personal abuse. I don't mind advice at all but the one thing I would say is, if someone has allready posted "Don't look down" Then I can assure you- I get it. Thanks again... rant over... and Fortuna is Smokin... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Threv Echandari Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in Now I think that's a damn good idea. Maybe I'll have some myself when I get round to watching it...
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:13:00 - [66] Edited by: Vando on 23/06/2007 18:12:46 Originally by: Threv Echandari Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. This can be arranged Also I'd like to see all the presenters mixing with the community, to threaten spiral's undisputed 'name' status Moar IRC, moar posting on SHC (Stevie is winning this one atm) --
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:15:00 - [67] Originally by: Vando Edited by: Vando on 23/06/2007 18:12:46 Originally by: Threv Echandari Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. This can be arranged Also I'd like to see all the presenters mixing with the community, to threaten spiral's undisputed 'name' status Moar IRC, moar posting on SHC (Stevie is winning this one atm) Hells yes I am.. I'm still waiting for my proper initiation though.. toga, toga... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Konquera McCall Acme Import Export	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:23:00 - [68] I enjoyed it! Much fun. It was a little rough, but not bad for a first go, and nothing that would keep me from watching it again. In fact, I'd say I would rather have it a little rough than too polished. I didn't have technical trouble when viewing the program, and the quality of the streaming video was fine. However, I'm going agree with Winterblink (excellent review, btw) and the others about the streaming video. I really wanted to listen the Hillmar interview again - indeed the whole program, but the pay per minute thing rather discourages that. I enjoyed the show and in principle have no qualms about paying a buck or two to watch future episodes, but I'm not sure I'll be doing so because of the delivery format.
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:30:00 - [69] Cheers Stevie...I at the risk of sounding girly I love your hair! I did forget to say thank you for the kind comments they are very much appreciated, my overall response has been a very friendly one and a very helpful one, I log in as much as I can to the game to play and I look forward to chatting to great deal of you who I have come to know and love over the past few weeks. I am I hasten to add a gamer who had just never played EVE before and I am grateful for the introduction. I very much enjoyed the players meet and was well looked after by many players. Sorry if my posts seemed a little overly sensitive, I love the game and don't wish anyone to think that I am doing this for any other reason other than I love the game and the community and that grows everyday. Hmmmm togas sounds fun! Maybe I could have an EVE 24hr marathon for my 25th and all must where togas and eat grapes! FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:32:00 - [70] Maybe we should make what was going to be the eon warmup party in july into a toga theme night... ------------------------------------- Various intellectual quotes that i don't quite understand

StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Elendar Maybe we should make what was going to be the eon warmup party in july into a toga theme night... .... We need a paddling pool. A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:37:00 - [72] i had one of those once, it was made of large straw bales. hmm. that may not be useful. Someone must have an inflateable one they can bring We shall bathe in beer! ------------------------------------- Various intellectual quotes that i don't quite understand
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:44:00 - [73] A giant sized pool with a slide that we can cover in champagne and then another for beer! Hmmm sounds good I like it FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:57:00 - [74] Just watched from California, no issues at all with the 1000k stream. Price seems ok, it cost me less than a good beer to watch, so no complaints there. I second everyone that mentioned the teleprompter, this is a must for future episodes. Also, the sound levels thing. A fairly cheap compressor/normalizer should fix that. Content wise, a nice mix of the expected and unexpected. So far so good, good job.
Groox Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:00:00 - [75] Edited by: Groox on 23/06/2007 19:00:36 It was ok for pilot I think! Before you think my statement sounds to negative I would like to add that I bought some credits and I'm looking forward for next shows. Tehnical aspects where ok. 1000k stream played smoothly in Estonia(almost across the Europe). However it would be good indeed to have possibility to rewatch it without paying for it again. Yes, audio was indeed up and down and Spiral looked kind of sad but female presentens did fine job me thinks. So keep up good work!
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:01:00 - [76] Ok What i say I say because I love eve and think eve-tv has the potential to be great but: Originally by: FortunaFive This show has been created by fans of EVE for fans of EVE No its been created by paid professionalls by a professional media company in an 11million dollar production facility. For people who want to pay for your episodes. Quote: It is all very well to give criticism but I would never put forward criticism about something unless I had done the job and considered that I had done that job better than the person I was criticizing. Thats a redicoulous thing to suggest. You might as kill of every movie, film and music critic in the industry now. Just bevause we're not TV presenters we're not allowed an opinion on its quality? Quote: please do remember that myself and my co presenters are dealing with a new and complicated game. Generally if I am talking about a subject that I don't know much about with someone who is clearly very passionate about that subject then I am very careful with what I say to them which displays itself in my speech e.g "Um" and "ah". And herin lies the heart of the problem. you know bugger all about eve yet your trying to present a show entierly about eve. Eve is not a new game CCP recently celebrated a 10year anniversary. Quote: Moreover, we are "presenting" not "acting" they are two very different disciplines...I trained as an actress and not to blow my own trumpet (I think thats the expression) but I am a very good one. So why are you not doing a job where you can act instead of "presenting". If your not trained in this discipline and you have no experience in it and no experience playing eve what value do you bring to the show other than being a pretty face? Quote: Ignoring my own bias, I though the Mercenary Coalition segment was also extremely well done. The segment itself was edited together extremely well (I'm going to guess that it was a Loxyrider piece), and Seleene's statements about MC are honest and to the point. Most alliance profiles are propaganda filled messes, this one was most definitely not. Agreed this was by far the best section of the show- co-incidentally the only one that didn't require an ú11million studio or any paid actors but instead a knowledgeable focus and passion about eve by talented people. Amazing IMHO eve-tv was vastly superior when it was 3 guys on a sofa who knew about eve rather than "professional"
Gerome Doutrande Rue Morgue	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:02:00 - [77] I'll add some suggestions for improvement: General: yes it was too serious (don't overdo the "deseriousification" though for the next show). I found the moderator desk to be too imposing, too big, and a real hindrance for the interviews with hilmar and the studio guests (you looked like bird on a phone line there pretty much). Maybe you can turn the desk a bit and put people on both sides of it (i'm sure there are problems with the studio decoration and maybe you have too few cameras, but you should solve those). Intro: should be teasers and voiceover (I believe the presenters were shown speaking). Intro animation should have louder sound to mark it as the intro animation. News: one news person, not two. When you refer to corporations or alliances, always show their logo, and the flattened map with their space or area of operations (always use the flattened map, so that players can easily find the places ingame). I would add a little section that works like an "eve weather report": show the map and highlight the hotspots of the last week (alliance fights, camps etc). Interview: was alright (sound to be fixed of course, and the "desk situation" needs fixing as written above). Alliance portrait: was decent. Give us some stats of the alliance at the beginning (size, claimed space etc) in writing. show enemies on the map (doesn't really apply to mc of course). It would be nicer to have an introduction of the alliance (like you did for mc), but then switch to a (voiceover) interview with an alliance spokesperson. London event footage: was okay, seemed a bit boring due to editing thoug. Your job is to make us feel as if we were there, and i missed a couple of totals (not sure that is the correct english term, i mean panorama shots of the place) to show that it is busy/make it look busy, or the camera entering at party prime time. Interviews: I think it is better to ask the people for their ingame names before you start the bit you want to tape. I think it is perfectly alright to ask "default questions" (what corp are you in, what do you do ingame, what do you like best about eve, do you often go to meetups etc) in the interview itself. try and get some "celebs" in front of the camera. London event talk: was okay, next time you have someone who organized it ask them how much work it was and do's and do not's for other people who may get triggered to organize a meetup.
Rarkal Caldari Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:14:00 - [78] That was awesome, I think I'm in love with that blond woman
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:20:00 - [79] In regards to Kapitanleutnant Mei.. I just want to make sure it is understood that the NPE guys are Volunteers, therefore I find it slightly disapointing that these guys have opted to do something new and interesting, hoping to be welcomed by the EVE community and are now finding themselfs under scrutiny due to having the courage and the open mind to voulunteer themselfs to this sort of situation. If this rather public example is an indicator as to how new players/presenters are viewed within the community, I very much doubt the expression and continuation of this thread will do anything to benifit the show, the presenters or the new/old community. If someone has already made the point you wished to speak about, then please make a judgement as to if your comment is in the best interests of the show. A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Skornik Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:28:00 - [80] Edited by: Skornik on 23/06/2007 19:29:54 Originally by: Gerome Doutrande ... stuff London event talk: was okay, next time you have someone who organized it ask them how much work it was and do's and do not's for other people who may get triggered to organize a meetup. To be honest I'd thought they'd ask some questions like that - but they were working their butts off all day to get the show the you saw... you might not believe it - but there were a serious amount of people working extremely hard to make that show. I don't want to seem like a complete fanboy as I was on the first showing - but I am completely independent of the show - I was invited and agreed to go on - but they've put a huge amount of effort in. From what I saw any constructive criticism will be taken on board - they want to make this show what the community wants to see. So get involved! For future reference organizing a meet isn't that hard - although I said in my interview on the extended version - it wasn't easy - I actually meant it wasn't difficult to get a bunch of eve players together for a drink :). Post on the forums a time and place and they shall arrive - bring some sticky labels and some marker pens (t1 minmatar ftw!) - and everyone is happy. Ok, I was a bit lucky EveTV brought some cute girls and spiral along!

Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:29:00 - [81] i think the main cause of this is the fact that people had high hopes for this plus the fact that it was layed out like a real news show people expected real news level presenting to go with it and also the fact that people have to pay more to watch it, if it was free im sure people wouldnt be as critical but as were paying hard earned cash people want there moneys worth. and tbh i dont see where this ú11million went in the studio, guess its all behind the scenes?
Gavriel Black Amarr The Plowmen Of Doom	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:29:00 - [82] Fair do's, eve tv is pretty awesome. And i'd like to give a pat on the back to the editing team, you did a bloody good job. "eve is a brutal, harsh universe where nobody loves you" -One of the devs
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei ... And herin lies the heart of the problem. you know bugger all about eve yet your trying to present a show entierly about eve. Eve is not a new game CCP recently celebrated a 10year anniversary. ... So why are you not doing a job where you can act instead of "presenting". If your not trained in this discipline and you have no experience in it and no experience playing eve what value do you bring to the show other than being a pretty face? ... IMHO eve-tv was vastly superior when it was 3 guys on a sofa who knew about eve rather than "professional" That's not fair, and it's uncalled for. By the way, I knew bugger all about Eve a month ago, I suppose I shouldn't really be playing - it's not my place to join in something that's been going on for ten years. I'd suggest that, for the "New Player Experience", someone who's never played the game before is ideally suited, especially if they love gaming and happen to have, as you say, a pretty face. As Stevie pointed out (thanks Stevie), they're not paid, and if they are professional actors then that only makes the time they give to do this show more significant. Another point - Spiral is also a presenter, and he knows a fair bit (I met him at the player meet - nice bloke). And everyone seems to think that Eve TV has spent ú11m on a studio - I think that the facility cost ú11m to build and fit out, and EveTV are hiring it at a rate significantly lower than that. That's how these things usually work. Having exclusively seasoned Eve veterans in the show would alienate new players who'd have no chance of following what was going on. Are you one of the people that thinks no new players should be allowed in the game? The type that goes round killing newbies? Give the show a chance, give the presenters a chance. Cut them some slack - everyone's new at what they do to begin with. Two last comments before I sign off the board: I hate it when people use "IMHO" as if it makes their insults alright - it doesn't. And, to use your phrasing, you know bugger all about FortunaFive (and I'm guessing don't work in TV), so by your own logic you're in no position to comment.
Kain Bodom	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:41:00 - [84] I have to say. credits to watch tv on the internet?? This is quite possibly the dumbest thing i have seen Some 1 rip this and post it on utube plz.
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:45:00 - [85] Edited by: Kapitanleutnant Mei on 23/06/2007 19:45:48 Originally by: StevieSG I just want to make sure it is understood that the NPE guys are Volunteers, I aploogise then as the eve-tv website made it appear they were being paid. perhaps it would be better to differentiate on your site who is doing this as a job and who as a volutnter? Quote: If this rather public example is an indicator as to how new players/presenters are viewed within the community, I very much doubt the expression and continuation of this thread will do anything to benifit the show, the presenters or the new/old community. I am sorry again but I think its not unreasonable to expect that if your on a show dedicated to eve then one might expect that for all of the segments except the NPE segment those presenting it might know something about eve and the community. If you took an indigenous african tribesmen and asked him to comment upon Prime ministers questions the effect might be similar. (ok melodramatic example i admit) I think that this is also rather a loaded statement considering on the show you were discussing how much expert help and welcome they had been getting. I am happy that all these players are playing and adding to the game. However I felt that segments such as fortuna 5's could have been much better performed by someone else. I believe that much of the show ( such as news, interviews ect) will drastically improve as things like autocue and style are improved from the pilot. However the majority of my post was directed at the way in which 4 of the I assumed employed (and again I did not realise you were volunteers) presenters appeared to know so little about eve or if they did know the game came across as such due to the delivery style of the show. With news delivered in a more light-hearted style. More good features such as the MC history piece and NPE volunteers focusing on the NPE. I am sure eve-tv will mature greatly. Quote: If someone has already made the point you wished to speak about, then please make a judgement as to if your comment is in the best interests of the show. I firmly believe so because it means its more likely to change in the future. If I was silent because others have already complained then it would do you a much greater disservice.
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:47:00 - [86] why not have a section of the show each week called 'Teach a noob' or something a little nicer lol and go through 1 part of the game each week, for example next week you could have " which turrets and ammo do i use" and in that section you interview a veteran or maybe have ifny or someone do it and he basically in 30sec-1minute explains what the range of turrets are for, maybe split it into each race, different race each week and say these turrets are for this range and this ammo is best because bla bla bla, a short and sweet introduction to the different parts of the game
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Skornik cute girls Eve TV giveth... Quote: and spiral Eve TV taketh away --
Jeniveve Carter Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:51:00 - [88] Just watched the show. For the first pilot episode I thought it was a good start. I hope it becomes a long running show, and look forward to future shows and seeing what you come up with with respects to articles and interviews :) As well as alliance/corp profiles the odd player profile might be good, or the odd ship profile with view from the community.
Tropa	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:33:00 - [89] It's a decent start guys, you should be proud. A couple of things - - It feels extremely scripted at the moment and fairly 'wooden' (reading from a piece of paper didn't help this). You should try and let personalities shine through a bit more, give us more unscripted banter between the presenters, guests. Try and have some fun... Spiral did it well in the other shows but here he looks pretty depressed... - Get Stavros on the show sometimes - To the presenters, try to not let the negative remarks get you down and ignore the obvious trolls with a chip on their shoulder Good luck, would watch again
Kain Bodom	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:36:00 - [90] Edited by: Kain Bodom on 23/06/2007 20:34:40 again i cant stress enough how stupid this is!! credits to watch an online tv show..?? Last time i had to use credits to watch something it was a peep show. cheaper and more entertaining. dump the credits idea it is down right idiotic. Get some ads on the front of the show or something like real webcasts do. Dont ask the viewer to pay that is really really dumb...



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