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EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:37:00 - [1] So yes EVE TV will be launching today at DOWNTIME. What you will be getting is the first pilot for what EVE TV Weekly can be. A taste of the format, news, special features and guest line ups. Although some technical hiccups like with any first run of a pilot show will also be about, we do hope you enjoy this first taste. This week will include spiraljunkie and StevieSG with ingame news headlines Hellmar talks about CCP and all the accusations of the past year We have Skornik, Laythun and Fangtooth Kasumi to talk about the June 9th London Player meet Footage from the meet presented by FortunaFive Alliance Profile this week is on Mercenary Coalition Highlights from the Scrap Heap Challenge Gank Night Competition to win 100 dollars worth of loot from the EVE Store and more....... EVE TV Website

Arktaos Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:42:00 - [2] I gotta head to work 1 hour before launch :( But will get to see it in the evening instead! Will update this post with how much it rocked once i've seen it

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:10:00 - [3] also.. your free credits will cover pretty much 2 shows and seeing that show 2 will be crisp and lovely EVE TV Website

eldaro Gallente East Khanid Trading	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:19:00 - [4] I can't get more than a sentence at a time as it buffers constantly, El Recruitment Thread EKT Website
Ravelin Eb Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Ravelin Eb on 23/06/2007 11:26:51 You only get 20 credits on signup, i watched 4 minutes of awesomeness edit: ignore me in a complete noob at life.
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Evil Eden on 23/06/2007 11:25:42 i signed up and got around the first 3-4 minutes free, cut off when spiral was interviewing Hellmar, guess should have chosen the 250k option and probs had lag or whatever :/ o well p.s Originally by: Ravelin Eb You only get 20 credits on signup, i watched 4 minutes of awesomeness awesomeness? it didnt seem awesome to me tbh, Amateur presenting, the 4 minutes I could watch felt very very scripted and very monotone.. I thought they were reporting someoneÆs death :/
WiseMan Ari Caldari Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:26:00 - [7] you know it did say check your mail to get 200 credits [This space for rent] Support the NSPDP National Society For the Protection of Discriminated Pirates
Elissen Amarr The Arrow Project	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:27:00 - [8] Please let me know when your providers fixes the buffering issues, or you switch provider. I'm not going to watch it if that player is incapable of playing the stream without giving up. At the lowest quality it plays for less then 5 seconds and then stops the screen to start buffering again. ---- Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning. Jumpplanner v2.0 - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Sarah Meiskin Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:28:00 - [9] I'm only 15min in atm... I've just got to mention one suggestion for the next episode... Keep the eyes up! More than 70% of the time, the announcers are looking down at their papers, and we're staring at them what almost looks like their eyes closed. Could have used a bit of B-Roll during the Hellmar interview. Seemed a bit plain. Other than that, I love the media presented... the so far havn't been the most "biggest" things, but that's all good :P The graphical displays are simple yet perfectly suit the mood and idea of the show. I await Episode 2 :) --- Those who say the blind cannot lead cannot see beyond their own noses.
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:28:00 - [10] Hmm, little niggly thing here. During the Player meet interview, it would have been a bit nicer to have the interviewees names sit at the bottom of the screen whilst they are talking for a bit of recognition. There were alot of interviewees which had me going "Who the hell are they?"
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:29:00 - [11] Edited by: Evil Eden on 23/06/2007 11:34:34 p.s if you watch the first 4 minutes then get cut off, then you get more credits (if you get 200 more in ya mail) do you have to pay for the first 4 minutes again? so if you want to rewatch episode one do you have to pay again? grrr i tried to watch it again and skip the first 4 miutes id see, and the video stream got stuck yet the sound was ok, i waited a minute and gave up, closed the page, reloaded, logged in again and my credits had gone down :/ so looks like you do have to pay to watch again, or if the web page crashes... too bad you have to pay all over :/ alteast make the episode downloadable to you pay and you can watch half now half later, or even rewatch without wasting money....
Kretin JuBa Corp Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:32:00 - [12] Any chance in this ú11mill studio you have hired that you can find an autocue/teleprompter to put near the camera, as having the presenters spend most of the time looking down at there notes just makes you look unprofessional and tbh is irritating.
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Kretin Any chance in this ú11mill studio you have hired that you can find an autocue/teleprompter to put near the camera, as having the presenters spend most of the time looking down at there notes just makes you look unprofessional and tbh is irritating. Please remember this is a pilot, the autocue issue will be fixed as best as we can in the next episode.
By Design Brutal Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:41:00 - [14] LOTS of audio screw ups, whoever your engineer is, fire him immediately. There's far too much variance in speaking volumes, most notably in Spiraljunkie's interview with Hellmar. You need compression and someone to actually change the microphone's volumes. Audio is not set and forget, much like the camera. A bit lacking in content, hell who am I kidding, a lot lacking in content. But my major gripe is post production, especially the audio. Work on that and your presentation skills and you might have something work the price. As it stands I can find more substance and more entertainment in the midday soap operas.
bigred monkey Sphere Systems Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:44:00 - [15] loved the show but was a little disappointed in a couple of things..... 1) everything in eve moves at a quick pace i know, but the big event everyone is talking about in locals at mo is the destruction of a titan in 0.0, surley a special news broadcast wouldnt have taken long to knock-up??? 2) emotions people!! the broadcasters looked a little 'yeah yeah' to me, and could spiral of been any nicer asking about the cheating issue, could we please have some tough questions for the dev's next time? i wonder what would of happened if spiral had just asked ' what is your response to allegations of corruption amongst some of the devs and major allaince?' dont think hellmar would of seemed so comfortable then! but on a side note, it is definatley a good thing, i shall be a avid watcher in future and look forward to the many interesting stories you are liable to follow Congratualtions, your signature broke all of our signature size rules - exceeding the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh ([email protected])
N1fty Amarr Dead Reckoning Corp	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:47:00 - [16] Spent all that money but couldn't afford an autocue? Liked the mercenary coalition story, that bit actually sounded professional and I would pay money for future reports of that quality. And then during the pub meet report I accidently hit backspace and went back to the previous page. Found I couldn't jump back where I left off and missed the end. Waits for it to appear on youtube Did manage to see my friend eatingYak though, woo fame and glory! ============================================
Mythrell Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:54:00 - [17] As someone noted earlier, please try to improve your sound levels for the whole episode. Every clip had different levels and Halmar was louds as hell, so it adds that extra difficulty level for following interviews, specially when you aren't that fluent in english. But yeah, overall I think it's a great idea, I'm not going to pay for it tho.
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:54:00 - [18] I have to say I really enjoyed the show. Favorite part was the MC coverage. Was also nice to see players meeting - agree with a poster above we like to see the interviewees' player names on screen. Still a tad expensive for me, I won't be able to watch the next episode, but good luck. _________________________________________________________ DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Mr Vrix Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:55:00 - [19] As a first episode,not to bad really. Hopefully people will not have dissected every second of the show to justify why they are not paying for it, time will tell. I do suspect in amongst that you will find people with experience and offer advice. If people remember, this is afterall a first show, with new presenters, new way of doing things etc. Spiral looks the most relaxed due to previous experience so can only get better for everyone I had no problems with watching the show at 500k, never stopped once or faltered. Wondering what the next tournament will look through this though, will see. Obvious points as mentioned above, we want to see ya cute face Stevie, not looking down at the paperwork, that will be sorted though so only a minor thing. Someone mentioned the audio, it did vary for myself also, maybe needs looking into. Again minor thing,easily fixed. London meet, nice to see people, but a few did have their questions cut off. Hopefully it was to demonstrate the potential of whats to come rather than being polished up etc. Most interesting part for myself, was Fangtooth. I can see this developing into an interesting section each week. You can tell you have not played to much yet, looking to see the way you describe the game as you progress differently. I have a suspicion the help your going to be offered within the game is going to propell you into some interesting encounters hehe. Crunch question, will I be paying each week to watch the show? Honest answer, not got a clue yet. Taking the first show at face value, pilot episode, with things I am sure your all aware of, its a great idea, unique to online games, and I am sure you will more than cover the costs etc. by people who will watch teh show and never even bother to come by the forums to be disuaded.
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:02:00 - [20] Also forgot to say Jalipo didn't have any buffering problems for me (in the UK here). Although I would still hope the team are looking into a downloadable/paypal solution. _________________________________________________________ DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Mythrell Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:09:00 - [21] oh, forgot to add that buffering thingy with 1024/512 ADSL that 1000k stream was buffering every now and then (once per 30-60 seconds that's prolly due to my ISP's not so stable transfer rate) but the 500k stream worked just fine, ppl might want to try and see at lower rate if they have buffering issues in future too.
Jark Mennings Save our Souls	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:10:00 - [22] No buffering for me, worth watching again. And 5o5 got a mention
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:12:00 - [23] First show was ok, the MC part was the best, mainly because it sounded and looked fairly professional, the interview in the pub meet... she was umm and arring a lot, ok sheÆs new, sheÆs nervous but still, if you expect us to pay for this cant you train the presenters in presenting? on paper the weekly shows are great but i think you could have done much more with it. Will I pay for it? Ill watch what I can of the next show and see if any feedback from the forum has been implemented but to be honest major improvements are going to have to be made, the eve subscription is higher than other MMORPGs which I donÆt mind paying for as itÆs a good game, Eve Voice is yet more we pay if we want to use that feature plus we have DT which most other games do not, so thatÆs an hour or so every day, may not seem like a lot but add those hours up = along time were paying for nothing and now we have to pay more if we want to watch Eve TV, how much money do CCP think there customers have?
M'buku Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:14:00 - [24] Interesting first episode. The Hellmar section could have been a little shorter though. The Jalipo stream itself was faultless unlike the fiasco that went with the PVP championship. It's not much to subscribe and top up your credits to watch the next few episodes. It's an extra and therefore you need to give a little extra. If a little extra sub for a cool valued added extra isn't your thing then don't subscribe. Whining about how upset you are that you dont get it free just tells me you have over important sense of what people should owe you. Signature Your signature has exceeded the 24000 byte limit (by 48 bytes ). -Darth Patches
Stephanie Savill	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Stephanie Savill on 23/06/2007 12:47:12 I just watched and enjoyed the first episode, so congrats and thanks to everyone involved. During the news items I particularly liked the way you presented the character portaits with their statements - I think it helps to bring the game alive in the program. Now then, payment. I don't know if this has been mentioned before (apologies if it has) but I do find it a little strange having to use real-life currency to pay for in-game TV. Surely it would be much more fitting to use in-game currency to pay for my weekly in-game TV fix. We have GTC's, how about VTC's (View Time Cards). If I could use isk to pay for Eve Tv I would certainly become a weekly subscriber. I have always been a strong supporter of Eve Tv and I wish you all the very best of luck with it.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:57:00 - [26] Notes as I am watching: Spiral looks like he needs some sleep! Freighter ganks 4TW. Nice report. I would have liked to see a bit more coverage of the SHC gank night. I hope this becomes a regular feature as it's always entertaining. The interview with Hellmar was interesting. I'm still curious to see how this Council thing works out. Guess I'll head over the "highlights" section to see the rest of it. The 505 report was fun and a nice surprise focusing on something other than the giant WAR. OMG EVE CARDS GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!! MC Profile - Very nicely done. I'm sure these will get better and better as time goes on. Hopefully you'll revisit some of the alliances as the program evolves. The London meet - Fortuna is smokin'! Farjung still needs a haircut and I saw Hygelac!! I agree with the comments about putting the players names at the bottom of the screen. LOL @ the guy who was so drunk he could barely pronounce his alliance name. And there's Hardin... Mr. Public Relations! Laythun - I agree about Stan - he's a bald lunatic. EVE's first Community Manager was <bleep>. General comments - The presenters do need to work on not looking at their notes so much. Either improvise a bit more or do the teleprompter thing. I was running the 500k stream and the audio was a bit uneven but not that bad. At about 25:55 it was seriously low though. Question - On stuff like the Alliance Profiles, will those be gathered into a 'special features' page at some point? I'd love to be able to show those to people without having to watch the entire broadcast again. Will these broadcasts ever be able to be downloaded in whole or in part? Overall, a great first effort. I'm sure it will only get better with time. - OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY!
Skyren Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:58:00 - [27] I quite enjoyed it but as others have said there were some downfalls. I was highly surprised to find i'll have to pay for future episodes, i've already tried buying some and it kept not letting me but i'll try again later. Where is the humor though people? i know you want to create a professional news show yet the one thing that made me watch the alliance torney was Spiral and others laughing and joking as it was entertaining. I'm also missing the dinosaur. just me 0.02ISK
Kirja Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:06:00 - [28] I've got a mixed feeling about show. It does feel amateurish but at the same time people did try to create something interesting. Addressing concerns mentioned by other posters in this topic would help (especialy regarding reportes not watching into the camera). I have a question though... What prevents me from registering new account each time i run out of credits? :D
Lord Matrix PBA Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:21:00 - [29] I've just finished watching the show at 1000kbps and I must say it was without any buffering whatsoever for the entire length. The speech side of the audio was a bit weird. I guess you need some practice with the audio equipment (frequency filtering). The most interesting part was the presentation of the MC alliance, I really liked that part and I would like to see it being a bit longer in the future. The presenters behind the desk were looking down most of their time, probably reading. It's not about being professional, it's about being able to remember a few lines of text. Since this show isn't live, you have plenty of time to learn those lines. If the show is going to be as short as it was (only 30 minutes), I suggest you remove the player meetings from the show. Fanfest is ok, but everything else I think is a waste of a very precious time you have. You were lacking fresh content (things we don't already know about). We all know about suicide gangs in empire and we all know about various empire wars against major alliances. This are not news to me. The whole show gave me an impression like it was made for someone who doesn't know EVE and not for players who have been playing for more than a few months and can already be considered being a part of the EVE community. This is not as important, but I think some optional subtitles would be in order since most of your presenters are speaking with a British accent which is very hard to understand. I will be watching the show next week to see how the improvements will be like.
Hermia HIVE O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:29:00 - [30] First show was good for me. Pleased that the stream didn't pack up after fully expecting it to. I thought the information presented was relevant to a wide audience, however i wish the style was less wooden. Less CNN and more FOX news. good show all!
Herra B Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:33:00 - [31] Got a feeling of "somg this is so g33kie" feeling at the start but it soon went away. A few bumps that have mostly been mentioned but overall a good show. Might want to set up the guests better beforehand during live interviews so the interviewer does not stand infront of them(ex. miss five with spiral and the indian).
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:01:00 - [32] I watched the first episode with the 1000k stream. No buffering, but the video frame rate was really low. The things that really bothered me have already been mentioned, but I'll point them out again so you know more people care about the. Having to look down constantly. Audio levels were all over the map. Guests sitting on the left of the desk with nothing to do for several minutes. I don't think anyone mentioned this yet. Paying for the episode and then paying more to watch the full interview with Hellmar? signature removed ... Pirlouit I finally got my sig nerfed once, I feel like a forum warrior!
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:24:00 - [33] They seemed a bit nervous in the beginning but then it seemed to pan out I would like them to ask exactly what made a person want to go to the player get-togethers more directly. In other words don't let them say it was just to get together and have some beer. :) A Minmater City... Cool! My Skills
Melor Rend	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:50:00 - [34] terrible video and audio quality - even the 1000k stream was dismal, no interesting infos what so ever except maybe the hellmar interview that wasn't even included completly LOL then the player simply stopped about half way thru and i had to restart the stream to be able to continue watching. the actual show was also pretty lame tbh... it seemed so rigid and scripted and the beginning was escpecially terrible.. i don't know guys... i liked the REAL eve-tv about 1000 times more. now if the show were free then i'd probably not watch it.. if i have to pay... no ******* way mates. the entire thing was quite dissapointing... forcible funny (but it wasn't) and so rigid. - video quality -> 2 out of 10 (i've seen tv-links ripoffs with better quality) - audio quality -> 4 out of 10 (stream was bad but the interviews were worst. ie. hellmar was loud but spiral was really quite..) - performance of actors -> 4 out of 10 (see above) - interesting infos -> 2 out of 10 (only the hellmar interview had anything new and relevant and that was cut) - presentation / set -> 1 out of 10 (the sofa and coffee table looked about 10000 times betten then the cheap blue box background rubish) overall -> 1 out of 10 (one point less then i would have given because the player crashed) likelihood of me paying -> 0% good luck guys... you will so need it.
wizardry	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:54:00 - [35] It was a bit 'ever-so-serious' wasn't it? It's a game afterall. Possibly because of nervousness, but please smile and make it a but more light hearted. I started to lose interest part way through, got a bit cringe-worthy and instead watched my credits tick away wondering whether I'll pay. Eve has a rich history, it should be used more I think, the MC bit was excellent, Hellmar was left to to ramble on unchallenged for too long, I didn't really 'get' why the 3 were in the studio, something about new player experience? The empire gank news bit was pointless, there is much more newsworthy stuff than that. I struggled to concentrate on what was being said by spiral mainly as he spoke far too fast and with all the looking down it was hard to follow, must be very difficult for people who don't speak English as their first language. Worth sorting out I think. But hey it's a pilot, you are all (obviously) getting used to it and I'll watch to see how it improves. Good luck
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:09:00 - [36] Edited by: Aeleva on 23/06/2007 15:29:19 Edited by: Aeleva on 23/06/2007 15:21:25 Definatly the sound is a pain, hellmar sounds fine but spiral doesnt sound very clear, not loud enough and a bit flat. Definatly great for a first time, some room to improve but relativly worth it :) Ooo yeah interview, skorniks levels need to be dropped. Although that really is the only gripe, the MC bit was really good. Skornik is hurting my ears :( Remember guys, its the first episode, everyone is nervous and finding their feet. I would guess it will really improve as everyone relaxs more and gets used to it all.
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Magnum III on 23/06/2007 15:26:12 Hay man, did they ever say why this was a weekly show? Like it said they would do on the EVE TV home page.
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:31:00 - [38] Now in my humble opinion I think that for the first show this was a very good show and having been on live television before and filmed with other crews I can tell you that the productions values are far better than some other projects I have been involved in. As to the comments someone made referring to me as "that girl" or "girl" I cant quite remember who suggested we should be trained in presenting...well if you want to see just point blank training coming across then that is your choice. Yes I was nervous, how would you be put in front of the camera as yourself for the first time? Furthermore, I "um" and "ah" in my every day life when I am dealing with new subject matter, please do remember that myself and my co presenters are dealing with a new and complicated game. Generally if I am talking about a subject that I don't know much about with someone who is clearly very passionate about that subject then I am very careful with what I say to them which displays itself in my speech e.g "Um" and "ah". Have you watched other programmes that you have paid for with your TV license and watched how many times the presenters stumble because believe me they do and even presenters with a great deal of training will falter in their first few shows. It is all very well to give criticism but I would never put forward criticism about something unless I had done the job and considered that I had done that job better than the person I was criticizing. No one has been asked to pay for EVE TV this week so why the scathing criticism....a pilot is just that and everyone has worked extremely hard over the last two weeks with some feeling their way in a job they have not previously done. Please take a step back and realize how hard all these jobs are and that this is not a grand scale BBC or ITV set up. This show has been created by fans of EVE for fans of EVE that means you, people have done what they feel is right and best, the show will develop but give it time people and support. FortunaFive EVE TV Website
SoulBlythe KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:54:00 - [39] Originally by: FortunaFive Now in my humble opinion... (fortuna's rant) SO.... when can we practice making puppies Fortuna? Seriously, nice first outing guys and gals! Yeah so there was some minor issues to be worked on but overall it was a success. Don't let these armchair quarterbacks ruffle your feathers. ====================== CEO - KVA Noble Inc. Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity (Wednesdays 4pm-7pm est / 9pm - Midnight bst)
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:54:00 - [40] I used the 1000kbps stream. I was able to watch the entire show without the slightest hiccup; in fact, by the time I was through half of it, the entire video had long since finished precaching. To all those who got buffering issues... I seriously doubt the problem lies on Jalipo's side this time Thanks to the high bitrate the image quality was quite good, I watched fullscreen at 1680x1050 and had no noticeable pixellation effects or other problems. I merely noticed that the background graphics you were using could do with a little higher texture resolution - especially during the Hellmar interview there was an exceptionally muddled piece of texture thingy right in the middle between him and spiral. And maybe some animations, like blinking lights and moving parts? And, are you sure the table isn't a little cramped for four people to sit on at once? The table used during the last tournament had more room on it and around it, which in my opinion allowed for better close-ups of single guests in the group. Of course, it might just be that everyone wanted to be close to Kasumi However I'm making the studio set seem worse than it is, so don't take me too serious here. As pointed out before, microphone values need some adjusting. Dressing the hosts in black and then using bright lighting and light grey backgrounds kind of makes them look a bit too serious and sterile (unrelated to their attempts to act professional and present facts in a neutral manner, I mean. That succeeed well enough in my opinion). Maybe get a bit more dynamic with the camera angles. I also missed a sort of splash screen when cutting between different studio sets and reports, like the little video sequence that was used at the third alliance tournament... it would add some more dynamic feel. But it probably would have to be a very very short splash screen, else it would bloat up the episode length too much. The dip into the Hellmar interview was too long - presenting one interesting sample question (or better, a collection of specific quotes cut together) and then moving on with the show would have been better. The interview itself was rather static... it does better as a stand-alone, and watched by those who are really interested in it. Without doubt he had some very interesting things to say, but in watching EVE-TV I was looking more for event reports and the alliance profile, and thus I felt that the interview sequence took a few minutes too long. The time could have been better used for the Scrapheap Challenge report, which went past too quickly. Maybe a minute or two of actual combat after jumping through a gate and engaging hostiles, with the teamspeak recording in the background, would have been very interesting. The preview on the London Player Meet report was done better. It had several fast cuts through different scenes, and succeeded much better in giving a general overview and summary than an uncut sequence grabbed somewhere from in the middle of it ever could. It was especially interesting to see the extremely wide array of different people that attended. The alliance profile was very well done. Next week I want to see Outbreak. Or IRON. Or IAC, but only when they're all completely smashed drunk A suggestion that I have regarding the news... Skornik says the show is produced on Wednesdays, so they aren't very up-to-date when broadcasted on Saturday. Would it be possible to intentionally leave a short blank in the Wednesday production where a sort of 'breaking news' bit could be inserted if something special happened in the days afetrwards? This bit could be recorded on Friday afternoon, wouldn't take more than a minute and would only need a single host presenting the news without much else around it. Then it could seamlessly fit into the preproduced show. And if there was nothing worth reporting, the show could just be broadcasted as is instead. Overall it was nice to watch, and I look forward to future shows.
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:54:00 - [41] Edited by: FortunaFive on 23/06/2007 16:09:16 Moreover, we are "presenting" not "acting" they are two very different disciplines...I trained as an actress and not to blow my own trumpet (I think thats the expression) but I am a very good one. I do hope that I can live up to your standards and I am a perfectionist at heart and a caring soul so I am sorry if my rant seemed a little harsh. I often sit at my TV screaming (generally at David Tennant playing the Doctor - but sometimes in angst at something going wrong) but hey things are never perfect in life and it is my feeling that sometimes TV programmes and theatre programmes cant help but reflect this after all real people make it...I just know how hard the team has been working this week often without sleep and they are really great guys WELL DONE AND THANK YOU (now get some sleep) SoulBlythe I thought we made babies not puppies or as my Mother explained it Birds and Bees....I am not sure do we make all these things...I will put it on my to do list ... ((((SoulBlythe))) xxxx FortunaFive EVE TV Website
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:12:00 - [42] ps I cant even watch it...the log in screen keeps telling me I am registered I must have done it whilst I was in a slumber. FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:24:00 - [43] Edited by: Evil Eden on 23/06/2007 16:24:13 Originally by: FortunaFive As to the comments someone made referring to me as "that girl" or "girl" I cant quite remember who suggested we should be trained in presenting...well if you want to see just point blank training coming across then that is your choice. Yes I was nervous, how would you be put in front of the camera as yourself for the first time? Furthermore, I "um" and "ah" in my every day life when I am dealing with new subject matter, please do remember that myself and my co presenters are dealing with a new and complicated game. Generally if I am talking about a subject that I don't know much about with someone who is clearly very passionate about that subject then I am very careful with what I say to them which displays itself in my speech e.g "Um" and "ah". Have you watched other programmes that you have paid for with your TV license and watched how many times the presenters stumble because believe me they do and even presenters with a great deal of training will falter in their first few shows. im not blaming you at all, its not your fault eve tv spent all there money on a studio, i know how hard it was for me to get to grips with eve when i started so i cant imagine how hard it must be for you to have to get to know the world of eve and present it and talk with people who know the ins and outs of the game, but why didnt they give to time in advance and sit you down with either the devs or players for a few days and teach you how to play the game and get you some good background knowledge so not only can you ask questions and understand what it is your asking and understand the answer but maybe follow up with a question not on the script and as you know the game well you will be able to think of questions on the fly. as for the um and ahh, this isnt every day life, this is presenting a show yes news reporters um and ahh but not very often but again i guess it comes with lots of experience, BBC presenters for example are on almost every day live so i guess they get used to it whereas this is only a weekly show. you fortuna must have some great qualities which is why you were chosen to present, im sure there are hundreds of thousands of eve players out there who know a lot about eve who would die to present but you were chosen and i look forward to seeing you in the next show. (if your on before my credits run out :P) also i may add all the big news channels are on Freeview these days so we dont pay a penny, ok we pay a tv licence etc but we get 200 channels, whereas with eve we pay for 1 30min slot a week for 1 show, we cant switch over on the boring bits and come back later on, we have to sit though the whole thing, but again thats not your fault thats the way the show is given to the public.

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:30:00 - [44] thanks for all the feedback so far, this was a pilot a run through and I hope you enjoy next weeks show EVE TV Website

FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:39:00 - [45] Hello again. My co presenters and I have had the benefit of being spoken to by some veteran players of EVE as well as being filmed during the New Player experience. I appreciate and accept your comments/concerns but EVE is a huge game and there are many different factions within the world e.g stories/alliances etc that it may take days and days to explain. I am sure that there are still players that have been playing for a considerable amount of time that would still find it hard to entirely understand or know about everything that goes on in EVE for example this forum is filled with information but it takes time to go through it and its hard when new stories crop up. I am and was doing at the player meet the best I could on limited knowledge. I love playing EVE and it was a pleasure to interview and come into contact with people who were so very passionate about the game, my passion if not my knowledge I am sure equals that of many players new and old alike. I hope in time to be as knowledgeable about EVE as other players and believe me I am working hard to get there. Furthermore, it is very hard to break a habitual life habit...I spoke to someone I live with who commented "Yes you do um and ah alot" strangely I dont appear to do that when I play a role. I think I do it just to let people know I am taking in and processing what they are saying...it may be the little bits I have picked up from psychologists who frequently um and ah a lot lol (not me seeing a therapist btw but me observing one) hmmm on the subject I could see how that could be rather irritating now...I shall work on it (((EvilEden))) xxxx FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Hermia HIVE O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:45:00 - [46] heh just finished watching the extended player meet footage, makes me want to go, should drag my corp to one of these (not far from Southampton, no excuse really). Real mixed bag of personalities there , i worry less about fitting in than my appetite for London or eve. Bought 2000 Jalipo credits, this show will only get better!
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Chronus26 on 23/06/2007 16:53:33 That was very decent for the first episode. The reports were well done and it was all pretty well scripted. I'll certainly watch the next one to see how things work out... Although as sombody says the audio track levels are uneven - Needs a little Dynamic Range Compression to sort that out (your audio engineer should know how to deal with that). -----
Mortok Tristan	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:47:00 - [48] Hi, I think it was a great first show (pilot) !! To all who are complaining, you wonna see a bad pilot, watch the pilot of Painkiller Jane. Fortuna, dont get to caught up with what ppl say on forums, 4 years of whining and trolling has baught upon us some serious forum warriors in here ;) Keep up the good work, <--- happy customer.
Skornik Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:49:00 - [49] Edited by: Skornik on 23/06/2007 16:48:11 Originally by: Aeleva Edited by: Aeleva on 23/06/2007 15:29:19 Edited by: Aeleva on 23/06/2007 15:21:25 Definatly the sound is a pain, hellmar sounds fine but spiral doesnt sound very clear, not loud enough and a bit flat. Definatly great for a first time, some room to improve but relativly worth it :) Ooo yeah interview, skorniks levels need to be dropped. Although that really is the only gripe, the MC bit was really good. Skornik is hurting my ears :( Remember guys, its the first episode, everyone is nervous and finding their feet. I would guess it will really improve as everyone relaxs more and gets used to it all. Sorry I hurt you ears :)
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:51:00 - [50] Originally by: FortunaFive Hello again. My co presenters and I have had the benefit of being spoken to by some veteran players of EVE as well as being filmed during the New Player experience. I appreciate and accept your comments/concerns but EVE is a huge game and there are many different factions within the world e.g stories/alliances etc that it may take days and days to explain. I am sure that there are still players that have been playing for a considerable amount of time that would still find it hard to entirely understand or know about everything that goes on in EVE for example this forum is filled with information but it takes time to go through it and its hard when new stories crop up. I am and was doing at the player meet the best I could on limited knowledge. I love playing EVE and it was a pleasure to interview and come into contact with people who were so very passionate about the game, my passion if not my knowledge I am sure equals that of many players new and old alike. I hope in time to be as knowledgeable about EVE as other players and believe me I am working hard to get there. Furthermore, it is very hard to break a habitual life habit...I spoke to someone I live with who commented "Yes you do um and ah alot" strangely I dont appear to do that when I play a role. I think I do it just to let people know I am taking in and processing what they are saying...it may be the little bits I have picked up from psychologists who frequently um and ah a lot lol (not me seeing a therapist btw but me observing one) hmmm on the subject I could see how that could be rather irritating now...I shall work on it (((EvilEden))) xxxx hey, your one brave lady Fortuna if i were you, going into a pub full of men who have downed a few beers talking about this massive online game and had to interview them when i had only been into this 'Eve Universe' for a short time.. well, you got a lot of balls lady and i have greay respect for you :)
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:53:00 - [51] Edited by: FortunaFive on 23/06/2007 16:54:30 awwww thanks Mortok Tristan have a cyber hug ((((Mortok Tristan)))) much appreciated. Thanks too ((((EvilEden))) I liked the atmosphere at the pub and really I should have downed the drinks I was bought lol. xxxxxx FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Stalert Balakos Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:54:00 - [52] Congratulations on the first Eve TV weekly show. I think the show has a lot of potential and I hope to see it go from strength to strength. Just a couple of thoughts... Captions: As someone else has already noted, we could have done with captions during the player meet interviews - that would have also saved us having to hear everyone introduce themselves so we would have had more time to hear what they thought about the player meet and the game itself. Also, you don't need to capitalise the first letter of each word in the caption (it just makes them more difficult to read) - a spell checker might have been good as well. Interview techique: Always work out what you're going to ask before you open your mouth - it's just a lot easier that way, believe me. If the interviewee is struggling a bit just ask them another question (as Spiral pointed out you can always edit that bit out) or ask them the question again in a slightly different way. Hearing Helmar talk about the sociology of MMOs was pretty interesting but given the time (and cost) constraints I think it would have been a lot better to get him to directly address what CCP is going to do with this council thing and how and when it is going to happen - I haven't seen anything from CCP that answers those questions so that would have been a great scoop for you guys. I also don't think it's necessary to interview all three studio guests in one take - why not have Kasumi and Spiral talking about her new player experience and then have a separate section talking to the London player meet guys? By trying to do everyone at once you're just making life trickier than it needs to be. In a recorded show there really isn't any excuse for Spiral finishing a segment by saying "Errr, that's it". Give the poor man a link to the next bit of the show or some other kind of sign-off line. Even a "I'm sorry, that's all we've got time for this week" is better than nothing. Oh and can the budget stretch to getting StevieSG some hair conditioner? The poor girl's hair is all over the place. Hope this is helpful.
justcheckingthemarket	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:54:00 - [53] the first episode wasn't really as bad is i expected it to be. the thing that botherd me most is the britsh accent (don't take it personal guys, but i don't really like it, never did)! wouldn't be such a bad thing it it were 2 or 3 of the host but since everyone of them is british (with you can easily hear) it's kinda getting on my nerves and really does not represent eve's internationality properly. oh and btw, the chicks looked better on the photos :D
Gotchy Minmatar RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:54:00 - [54] Congratulations to the whole EVETV Team, a show very well done. A few hiccups here and there, but im sure you will fix them and also avoid to make them next time. More, MORE, i say. Ps.: Fangtooth, Rona Midgard still awaits you Pss.: I will make the full track used in the London Player Meet Video available for everyones download pleasure later tonight.
Mirana Niranne The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:57:00 - [55] Originally by: FortunaFive Now in my humble opinion... [rant] Someone a little defensive here? Look, obviously more than a few people are coming into this a little biased at the hiring of "actors" and other folks with professional media training (and good looks) over people who actually play Eve with a passion, but by and large, aside from one incredible rip at you guys, the responses in this thread have been mostly constructive with regards to criticism. Looking more at a camera as opposed to your notes is broadcast journalism 101, and even as an actor you know the value getting a script out of your hand does for your performance level. The New York Times hasn't weighed in here, these are some of your viewers offering real advice and some criticism. Sure no one had to pay to watch the "pilot" as it were, but this was your moment to show people why they should pay for this service. Did it fail? I don't think it did, but you guys have room to improve. Also understand that given how ETV has gone "Pro" expectations are going to be higher, and when money is involved, yes people are going to call you out for the mistakes they see. You're going to be charging about the same to view a single episode of ETV ONCE as they would to download an episode of Battlestar off of itunes they can watch as much as they want. I'm not saying you need to have that kind of budget or quality, and it's certainly not even the same genre of media, but the point of that statement is that if you're going to be a "Pro" people are going to expect you to act like it. You don't see pros come out of a broadcast that didn't go off as well as they'd have liked and rebuke criticism with "But we put A LOT of work and sleepless nights into this, you're being unfair!" No, you don't. They settle down afterwards, take an inventory on what they need to improve on, and work it out for next time. Hey, if this was still an amature production like the alliance tournaments have been with goofyness and impromptu mistakes and humor I bet hardly anyone would have anything to say but "Good job on a first show guys". the moment you attach a price tag to something, you place a relative value to it and you cross the line into professionalism. You wanna be a pro? Act like it. Put yourself above the comments of a couple of bitter individuals, don't give them the pleasure of a rebuttal to their spouts. Those 2 rant posts above that you made only serve to make you look decidedly unprofessional, overly sensitive to criticism, and if I may say, a bit whiny. Buck up. A couple mistakes were made, you knew what they were before anyone even started talking about it I'm sure. Take a moment to think on how you might improve for next week and convince us why we should want to pay to see you next week. --- Some people think pirates are better. Pirates are clumsy. A Ninja you never see until it's too late. Your corpmates can't save you, your scanners can't see us, your gatecamps can't catch us.
J Ripper Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:20:00 - [56] 100% lag free stream for me in uk. Looking down at paper was annoying, but i`m sure that will be sorted. Oh, hellmar`s hair is annoying, send him to wigs r us or something my sig: --- Jon Johansen ---
Skornik Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:22:00 - [57] Edited by: Skornik on 23/06/2007 17:22:13 There are some options out there regarding 'time bombed' drm which maybe should be looked into. No content protection system is perfect but being able to re-watch something you've paid for would be great. Get a compressor/limiter for the audio track :) you can get them for about $100 or for free plugins for your favourite audio editor.
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:23:00 - [58] Edited by: StevieSG on 23/06/2007 17:26:54 Originally by: Stalert Balakos Congratulations on the first Eve TV weekly show. I think the show has a lot of potential and I hope to see it go from strength to strength. Oh and can the budget stretch to getting StevieSG some hair conditioner? The poor girl's hair is all over the place. Hope this is helpful. It just won't be tamed...... Furthermore, I will practice looking up, and not hide myself in the paper..cheers for the advice that problem should be sorted soon and after loads and loads of forum suggestions about this, I'd like to say, Message Recived, thankyou. A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:41:00 - [59] To the EveTV team, I urge you to recall the following when dealing with the unconstructive haters: http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg I shall now repost my thoughts as posted on SHC Originally by: yesiamtom ahhh its to professional. I remeber the good old couch with ifni and co and spiral junkie is his arm chair. That was good and it felt like a game. Im afraid this desk and stuff is a bit to professional for me Yeah, pretty much this. It doesn't have that 'we're all part of the community' thing that you got from the old setup, in fact the only part that really worked atmosphere-wise was the Hellmar interview. It seems that its a little too 'serious business' right now, and trying to explain things for the complete newbie. While this is nice for the newbies, it means you have a bunch of vet players going 'what is this dumbed down ****' and a bunch of newbies going 'I still don't really understand whats going on'. I think a more 'veteran player friendly' approach would see more success, newbies will eventually learn wtf is going on anyway. Apart from that, the topics covered were pretty nice, god yes an autocue is so necessary, and there are a few dodgy edit points (end of the Hellmar interview most glaringly) and sound issues. I expect this sort of thing will be polished out with more experience though. And yes, I will be paying for next weeks instalment --
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:42:00 - [60] Here's a tip for you guys, friendly free advice: When you are reading from a script, and are interviewing somebody, LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY so you can formulate a response and be involved in the conversation. Don't just ask then tune them out. When you do that, you will go back to the script (head sinking into paper) and you won't be engaged in the conversation. Listening actively and making sure that you have a few responses set up in your mind as they are talking gives you a professional advantage and makes you look like you know what's going on. _________________ Burn.
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:57:00 - [61] I haven't actually watched this yet, but I'll throw in some thoughts. First, regarding the PPV aspect, the big objection raised is the "watch once" nature, and that's going to put a lot of people off. Timebombed DRM isn't a perfect solution (personally I'm dead against DRM of any sort, but I understand why you might feel the need to use it) but it's a hell of a lot better than having to pay again if you want to watch part of the show again. Short term DRM licenses is what the TV stations use for their catch-up downloads, and it works well. No solution is going to stop the shows being converted and uploaded on p2p networks, so stop trying to prevent it completely and try helping the viewers out a bit. The other technical and content aspects have been well covered I think, so on to the criticism of the presenters. As I understand it, none of these (new) people are actually experienced presenters - this was a first time for them as well as the new show. I know FortunaFive personally and can tell you this: Yes, she's an actress (and a damn good one); No, she's not a presenter; Yes, she is a gamer, but No, she hadn't played Eve before, and yes, she is perhaps a little too sensitive and over-reactive at times. I assume the others are in similar positions so don't give them a hard time. Constructive criticism is fine (like telling Stevie not to hide beind the script), but please try not to be too harsh at a personal level. More comments like "Fortuna is smokin'!" I'd encourage (and echo) though.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:59:00 - [62] Well, where to start really. I'd just like to thank eve-tv for providing the launch broadcast for free. Mainly because I would never pay for this ****e in its current format. The whole set looks very fake and like it was made in somebodies bedroom, the presenters obviously have no experience in broadcasting a show before. They speak way too fast to understand, and the varying audio levels helped not one bit. Spiraljunkie could not look any more uninterested in his interview with hellmar, and he definatly needs to invest in a +4 charisma implant. So yeah, I won't be parting with my cash anytime soon for eve-tv.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:03:00 - [63] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 23/06/2007 18:06:00 Well I have to say that over all I was impressed. (I was a naysayer). The stream Was excellent (to the USA) and the Video quality was good (a little too good Vis-a-vis the sets.) I liked all the presenters (though I didn't see Beefy Diddler)you all did a good job. The MC Piece admittedly was the best segment, but I like how you opened up with some action oriented iteams like the High sec ganking, and how the new Rules may affect it. Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. The Helmarr interview dragged on a bit (Not enough detail on how the Privy Council works.)But he did give interesting "10,000" ft view or things. I won't go on about a teleprompters or Audio Quality, name Captions etc. You've read more than enough and already have a better idea of what to work on. That's Mechanics and easily correctable over time. What you really had was good Content that held my interest throughout the entirety of the program. So I'm not so worried about Umms and ahhs, and all that minutia . The Real issue is the Format and the Price..... due to problems that "can" and do happen with streaming as has been pointed out you all profit from poor connections. There is now way for me to go back and review without paying the piper again. That is not a good Business model. Oh sure it might sound profitable but in reality it just serves to alienate your clients and encourage piracy (Causing you to lose revenue stream). I Understand needing to protect intellectual property and I respect that, but you should consider moving to a more user friendly delivery. IE Once we pay for it we should be able to watch it again without incurring further cost. (Or a limited number of viewings say 5 or 10 and you should be able to pause and rewind as many times as you like without incurring more charges) But as it is now I am not sure I will pay to see the next one beyond my remaining credits. (A few of which were squandered due to an earlier DL issue on another Eve Piece). But These issues are for the business side.. As for the Talent you all had a good first show, we know you will take alot of the suggestions to heart and work on what you nee to Work on....Now its the Business side's turn... Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:05:00 - [64] Edited by: StevieSG on 23/06/2007 18:04:46 Originally by: Ecktor Slein I haven't actually watched this yet, but I'll throw in some thoughts. The other technical and content aspects have been well covered I think, so on to the criticism of the presenters. As I understand it, none of these (new) people are actually experienced presenters - this was a first time for them as well as the new show. I know FortunaFive personally and can tell you this: Yes, she's an actress (and a damn good one); No, she's not a presenter; Yes, she is a gamer, but No, she hadn't played Eve before, and yes, she is perhaps a little too sensitive and over-reactive at times. I assume the others are in similar positions so don't give them a hard time. Constructive criticism is fine (like telling Stevie not to hide beind the script), but please try not to be too harsh at a personal level. More comments like "Fortuna is smokin'!" I'd encourage (and echo) though. Cheers for this, I second it-it's a new show, and we love the game which is why we want to do it, and it takes pratice to get eveything right. What would be a shame is if us girls felt unable to do our jobs for fear of personal abuse. I don't mind advice at all but the one thing I would say is, if someone has allready posted "Don't look down" Then I can assure you- I get it. Thanks again... rant over... and Fortuna is Smokin... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Threv Echandari Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in Now I think that's a damn good idea. Maybe I'll have some myself when I get round to watching it...
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:13:00 - [66] Edited by: Vando on 23/06/2007 18:12:46 Originally by: Threv Echandari Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. This can be arranged Also I'd like to see all the presenters mixing with the community, to threaten spiral's undisputed 'name' status Moar IRC, moar posting on SHC (Stevie is winning this one atm) --
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:15:00 - [67] Originally by: Vando Edited by: Vando on 23/06/2007 18:12:46 Originally by: Threv Echandari Also the Gank -a-thon was cool. We could have used more of that. Maybe have Fortuna or Spiral do a "Ride along" a-la COPS, with some audio from the TS Chatter mixed in, and some play by play of an especially good Throwdown. This can be arranged Also I'd like to see all the presenters mixing with the community, to threaten spiral's undisputed 'name' status Moar IRC, moar posting on SHC (Stevie is winning this one atm) Hells yes I am.. I'm still waiting for my proper initiation though.. toga, toga... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Konquera McCall Acme Import Export	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:23:00 - [68] I enjoyed it! Much fun. It was a little rough, but not bad for a first go, and nothing that would keep me from watching it again. In fact, I'd say I would rather have it a little rough than too polished. I didn't have technical trouble when viewing the program, and the quality of the streaming video was fine. However, I'm going agree with Winterblink (excellent review, btw) and the others about the streaming video. I really wanted to listen the Hillmar interview again - indeed the whole program, but the pay per minute thing rather discourages that. I enjoyed the show and in principle have no qualms about paying a buck or two to watch future episodes, but I'm not sure I'll be doing so because of the delivery format.
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:30:00 - [69] Cheers Stevie...I at the risk of sounding girly I love your hair! I did forget to say thank you for the kind comments they are very much appreciated, my overall response has been a very friendly one and a very helpful one, I log in as much as I can to the game to play and I look forward to chatting to great deal of you who I have come to know and love over the past few weeks. I am I hasten to add a gamer who had just never played EVE before and I am grateful for the introduction. I very much enjoyed the players meet and was well looked after by many players. Sorry if my posts seemed a little overly sensitive, I love the game and don't wish anyone to think that I am doing this for any other reason other than I love the game and the community and that grows everyday. Hmmmm togas sounds fun! Maybe I could have an EVE 24hr marathon for my 25th and all must where togas and eat grapes! FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:32:00 - [70] Maybe we should make what was going to be the eon warmup party in july into a toga theme night... ------------------------------------- Various intellectual quotes that i don't quite understand
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Elendar Maybe we should make what was going to be the eon warmup party in july into a toga theme night... .... We need a paddling pool. A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:37:00 - [72] i had one of those once, it was made of large straw bales. hmm. that may not be useful. Someone must have an inflateable one they can bring We shall bathe in beer! ------------------------------------- Various intellectual quotes that i don't quite understand
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:44:00 - [73] A giant sized pool with a slide that we can cover in champagne and then another for beer! Hmmm sounds good I like it FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:57:00 - [74] Just watched from California, no issues at all with the 1000k stream. Price seems ok, it cost me less than a good beer to watch, so no complaints there. I second everyone that mentioned the teleprompter, this is a must for future episodes. Also, the sound levels thing. A fairly cheap compressor/normalizer should fix that. Content wise, a nice mix of the expected and unexpected. So far so good, good job.
Groox Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:00:00 - [75] Edited by: Groox on 23/06/2007 19:00:36 It was ok for pilot I think! Before you think my statement sounds to negative I would like to add that I bought some credits and I'm looking forward for next shows. Tehnical aspects where ok. 1000k stream played smoothly in Estonia(almost across the Europe). However it would be good indeed to have possibility to rewatch it without paying for it again. Yes, audio was indeed up and down and Spiral looked kind of sad but female presentens did fine job me thinks. So keep up good work!
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:01:00 - [76] Ok What i say I say because I love eve and think eve-tv has the potential to be great but: Originally by: FortunaFive This show has been created by fans of EVE for fans of EVE No its been created by paid professionalls by a professional media company in an 11million dollar production facility. For people who want to pay for your episodes. Quote: It is all very well to give criticism but I would never put forward criticism about something unless I had done the job and considered that I had done that job better than the person I was criticizing. Thats a redicoulous thing to suggest. You might as kill of every movie, film and music critic in the industry now. Just bevause we're not TV presenters we're not allowed an opinion on its quality? Quote: please do remember that myself and my co presenters are dealing with a new and complicated game. Generally if I am talking about a subject that I don't know much about with someone who is clearly very passionate about that subject then I am very careful with what I say to them which displays itself in my speech e.g "Um" and "ah". And herin lies the heart of the problem. you know bugger all about eve yet your trying to present a show entierly about eve. Eve is not a new game CCP recently celebrated a 10year anniversary. Quote: Moreover, we are "presenting" not "acting" they are two very different disciplines...I trained as an actress and not to blow my own trumpet (I think thats the expression) but I am a very good one. So why are you not doing a job where you can act instead of "presenting". If your not trained in this discipline and you have no experience in it and no experience playing eve what value do you bring to the show other than being a pretty face? Quote: Ignoring my own bias, I though the Mercenary Coalition segment was also extremely well done. The segment itself was edited together extremely well (I'm going to guess that it was a Loxyrider piece), and Seleene's statements about MC are honest and to the point. Most alliance profiles are propaganda filled messes, this one was most definitely not. Agreed this was by far the best section of the show- co-incidentally the only one that didn't require an ú11million studio or any paid actors but instead a knowledgeable focus and passion about eve by talented people. Amazing IMHO eve-tv was vastly superior when it was 3 guys on a sofa who knew about eve rather than "professional"
Gerome Doutrande Rue Morgue	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:02:00 - [77] I'll add some suggestions for improvement: General: yes it was too serious (don't overdo the "deseriousification" though for the next show). I found the moderator desk to be too imposing, too big, and a real hindrance for the interviews with hilmar and the studio guests (you looked like bird on a phone line there pretty much). Maybe you can turn the desk a bit and put people on both sides of it (i'm sure there are problems with the studio decoration and maybe you have too few cameras, but you should solve those). Intro: should be teasers and voiceover (I believe the presenters were shown speaking). Intro animation should have louder sound to mark it as the intro animation. News: one news person, not two. When you refer to corporations or alliances, always show their logo, and the flattened map with their space or area of operations (always use the flattened map, so that players can easily find the places ingame). I would add a little section that works like an "eve weather report": show the map and highlight the hotspots of the last week (alliance fights, camps etc). Interview: was alright (sound to be fixed of course, and the "desk situation" needs fixing as written above). Alliance portrait: was decent. Give us some stats of the alliance at the beginning (size, claimed space etc) in writing. show enemies on the map (doesn't really apply to mc of course). It would be nicer to have an introduction of the alliance (like you did for mc), but then switch to a (voiceover) interview with an alliance spokesperson. London event footage: was okay, seemed a bit boring due to editing thoug. Your job is to make us feel as if we were there, and i missed a couple of totals (not sure that is the correct english term, i mean panorama shots of the place) to show that it is busy/make it look busy, or the camera entering at party prime time. Interviews: I think it is better to ask the people for their ingame names before you start the bit you want to tape. I think it is perfectly alright to ask "default questions" (what corp are you in, what do you do ingame, what do you like best about eve, do you often go to meetups etc) in the interview itself. try and get some "celebs" in front of the camera. London event talk: was okay, next time you have someone who organized it ask them how much work it was and do's and do not's for other people who may get triggered to organize a meetup.
Rarkal Caldari Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:14:00 - [78] That was awesome, I think I'm in love with that blond woman
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:20:00 - [79] In regards to Kapitanleutnant Mei.. I just want to make sure it is understood that the NPE guys are Volunteers, therefore I find it slightly disapointing that these guys have opted to do something new and interesting, hoping to be welcomed by the EVE community and are now finding themselfs under scrutiny due to having the courage and the open mind to voulunteer themselfs to this sort of situation. If this rather public example is an indicator as to how new players/presenters are viewed within the community, I very much doubt the expression and continuation of this thread will do anything to benifit the show, the presenters or the new/old community. If someone has already made the point you wished to speak about, then please make a judgement as to if your comment is in the best interests of the show. A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Skornik Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:28:00 - [80] Edited by: Skornik on 23/06/2007 19:29:54 Originally by: Gerome Doutrande ... stuff London event talk: was okay, next time you have someone who organized it ask them how much work it was and do's and do not's for other people who may get triggered to organize a meetup. To be honest I'd thought they'd ask some questions like that - but they were working their butts off all day to get the show the you saw... you might not believe it - but there were a serious amount of people working extremely hard to make that show. I don't want to seem like a complete fanboy as I was on the first showing - but I am completely independent of the show - I was invited and agreed to go on - but they've put a huge amount of effort in. From what I saw any constructive criticism will be taken on board - they want to make this show what the community wants to see. So get involved! For future reference organizing a meet isn't that hard - although I said in my interview on the extended version - it wasn't easy - I actually meant it wasn't difficult to get a bunch of eve players together for a drink :). Post on the forums a time and place and they shall arrive - bring some sticky labels and some marker pens (t1 minmatar ftw!) - and everyone is happy. Ok, I was a bit lucky EveTV brought some cute girls and spiral along!
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:29:00 - [81] i think the main cause of this is the fact that people had high hopes for this plus the fact that it was layed out like a real news show people expected real news level presenting to go with it and also the fact that people have to pay more to watch it, if it was free im sure people wouldnt be as critical but as were paying hard earned cash people want there moneys worth. and tbh i dont see where this ú11million went in the studio, guess its all behind the scenes?
Gavriel Black Amarr The Plowmen Of Doom	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:29:00 - [82] Fair do's, eve tv is pretty awesome. And i'd like to give a pat on the back to the editing team, you did a bloody good job. "eve is a brutal, harsh universe where nobody loves you" -One of the devs
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Kapitanleutnant Mei ... And herin lies the heart of the problem. you know bugger all about eve yet your trying to present a show entierly about eve. Eve is not a new game CCP recently celebrated a 10year anniversary. ... So why are you not doing a job where you can act instead of "presenting". If your not trained in this discipline and you have no experience in it and no experience playing eve what value do you bring to the show other than being a pretty face? ... IMHO eve-tv was vastly superior when it was 3 guys on a sofa who knew about eve rather than "professional" That's not fair, and it's uncalled for. By the way, I knew bugger all about Eve a month ago, I suppose I shouldn't really be playing - it's not my place to join in something that's been going on for ten years. I'd suggest that, for the "New Player Experience", someone who's never played the game before is ideally suited, especially if they love gaming and happen to have, as you say, a pretty face. As Stevie pointed out (thanks Stevie), they're not paid, and if they are professional actors then that only makes the time they give to do this show more significant. Another point - Spiral is also a presenter, and he knows a fair bit (I met him at the player meet - nice bloke). And everyone seems to think that Eve TV has spent ú11m on a studio - I think that the facility cost ú11m to build and fit out, and EveTV are hiring it at a rate significantly lower than that. That's how these things usually work. Having exclusively seasoned Eve veterans in the show would alienate new players who'd have no chance of following what was going on. Are you one of the people that thinks no new players should be allowed in the game? The type that goes round killing newbies? Give the show a chance, give the presenters a chance. Cut them some slack - everyone's new at what they do to begin with. Two last comments before I sign off the board: I hate it when people use "IMHO" as if it makes their insults alright - it doesn't. And, to use your phrasing, you know bugger all about FortunaFive (and I'm guessing don't work in TV), so by your own logic you're in no position to comment.
Kain Bodom	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:41:00 - [84] I have to say. credits to watch tv on the internet?? This is quite possibly the dumbest thing i have seen Some 1 rip this and post it on utube plz.
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:45:00 - [85] Edited by: Kapitanleutnant Mei on 23/06/2007 19:45:48 Originally by: StevieSG I just want to make sure it is understood that the NPE guys are Volunteers, I aploogise then as the eve-tv website made it appear they were being paid. perhaps it would be better to differentiate on your site who is doing this as a job and who as a volutnter? Quote: If this rather public example is an indicator as to how new players/presenters are viewed within the community, I very much doubt the expression and continuation of this thread will do anything to benifit the show, the presenters or the new/old community. I am sorry again but I think its not unreasonable to expect that if your on a show dedicated to eve then one might expect that for all of the segments except the NPE segment those presenting it might know something about eve and the community. If you took an indigenous african tribesmen and asked him to comment upon Prime ministers questions the effect might be similar. (ok melodramatic example i admit) I think that this is also rather a loaded statement considering on the show you were discussing how much expert help and welcome they had been getting. I am happy that all these players are playing and adding to the game. However I felt that segments such as fortuna 5's could have been much better performed by someone else. I believe that much of the show ( such as news, interviews ect) will drastically improve as things like autocue and style are improved from the pilot. However the majority of my post was directed at the way in which 4 of the I assumed employed (and again I did not realise you were volunteers) presenters appeared to know so little about eve or if they did know the game came across as such due to the delivery style of the show. With news delivered in a more light-hearted style. More good features such as the MC history piece and NPE volunteers focusing on the NPE. I am sure eve-tv will mature greatly. Quote: If someone has already made the point you wished to speak about, then please make a judgement as to if your comment is in the best interests of the show. I firmly believe so because it means its more likely to change in the future. If I was silent because others have already complained then it would do you a much greater disservice.
Evil Eden	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:47:00 - [86] why not have a section of the show each week called 'Teach a noob' or something a little nicer lol and go through 1 part of the game each week, for example next week you could have " which turrets and ammo do i use" and in that section you interview a veteran or maybe have ifny or someone do it and he basically in 30sec-1minute explains what the range of turrets are for, maybe split it into each race, different race each week and say these turrets are for this range and this ammo is best because bla bla bla, a short and sweet introduction to the different parts of the game
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Skornik cute girls Eve TV giveth... Quote: and spiral Eve TV taketh away --
Jeniveve Carter Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:51:00 - [88] Just watched the show. For the first pilot episode I thought it was a good start. I hope it becomes a long running show, and look forward to future shows and seeing what you come up with with respects to articles and interviews :) As well as alliance/corp profiles the odd player profile might be good, or the odd ship profile with view from the community.
Tropa	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:33:00 - [89] It's a decent start guys, you should be proud. A couple of things - - It feels extremely scripted at the moment and fairly 'wooden' (reading from a piece of paper didn't help this). You should try and let personalities shine through a bit more, give us more unscripted banter between the presenters, guests. Try and have some fun... Spiral did it well in the other shows but here he looks pretty depressed... - Get Stavros on the show sometimes - To the presenters, try to not let the negative remarks get you down and ignore the obvious trolls with a chip on their shoulder Good luck, would watch again
Kain Bodom	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:36:00 - [90] Edited by: Kain Bodom on 23/06/2007 20:34:40 again i cant stress enough how stupid this is!! credits to watch an online tv show..?? Last time i had to use credits to watch something it was a peep show. cheaper and more entertaining. dump the credits idea it is down right idiotic. Get some ads on the front of the show or something like real webcasts do. Dont ask the viewer to pay that is really really dumb...
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:47:00 - [91] I liked the show. Not bad at all for the first episode. A few comments: 1) I think it was a little too formal at times. I did love the early eve TV a great deal when there were just bunch of guys on a couch talking smack . That of course would not work for a weekly show, but EVE TV should have a little bit more informal atmosphere, or have a freak show with Stavros as a part of every episode... 2) Kasumi, don't be so shy. Look at the camera a little Good performance though. 3) Payment. I am not sure if EVE TV is something I will pay for. It is tempting, but not being a rich person I have to manage my finances. For the price of one show I could rent a movie from Netflix and expand my cultural horizons rather than watch a show about a video game. There is a slight conflict there. However, as I said, it is tempting to pay for. A lot will depend on how EVE TV turns out to be in the long run. -------------- Great job on the first show, guys. Really enjoyed it.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:57:00 - [92] The MC thing is good, but tbh I think they get too much focus on EVETV. We need profiles from a lot of Northern alliance, since no one seems to pay attention to them. I always seem to say this every time EVEVTV coems around, but the North (and coalition as a whole) needs more representation on EVETV. You don't even need them in studio. Just get a vent interview with someone and ask for a war update or something. We need perspectives from both sides here. Also, the news is weird. Why are you talking about Frege alliance wars, when the biggest war in EVE history is going on? There's plenty of news to go with, whether it be the battles going on in Tenal or the fights down south between RAGoons and BoB. This is the news people are interested in. Which leads me to my next point. Being recorded means that massive events like the downing of the Titan and the massive POS takedown in SE- aren't covered until over a week after it happened. That is not up to date, and there are a million other ways of finding this stuff out without paying any money. Overall I was very disappointed with the show. It seemed wooden and too production based. As countless people have said, lower the scale of this and make it community based and about the vets and people that love EVE with their heart and soul. We just need to throw dodgly looking blokes into a crappy studio, but cheap furniture there and a coffee table and let them talk about EVE, without any scripts. If your just going to pander to the newer players, then this is pointless. Seriously, you need to look at Verone's post and take it as gospel for improvements. EVETV weekly lacks a point and seems to be there for the sake of EVETV, rather than being about something, and making that the centre focus. I already said this in another thread, but I wanted to post it in the official one. I want this to work, but It isn't at the moment, and I think you will have very poor viewing figures when it comes to pay time unless you drastically alter your views on many aspects of the show. Good points : The stream was pretty reliable and better quality than I thought. That's about it, sorry. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:10:00 - [93] thanks for the feedback from alot of you. This was the point of the pilot to make EVE TV something for everyone EVE TV Website

Nate D New Atlantis Tek Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:38:00 - [94] Well... it was the first show but I was really hoping for a bit more EXCITEMENT! While I love EVE TV during the tourney, I felt like this show was very dull and I could actually feel the reading of the scripts... I think if the presenters were interested in what they were reading it would have made for a much more interesting program. I'd really like to see less of a news program and more of a TV show... with more entertainment value. More like this -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6000711862856038339&q=eve+tv&total=874&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 <3 Spiral I look forward to seeing how the player suggestions in this thread are used in the next show. -Nate
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:52:00 - [95] I have a few thoughts regarding this: - Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience. - Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants (); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it. - Hire Ifni or jamesw if they're willing. Seriously, good examples of knowing their stuff while maintaining mix of professionalism and humor - if you could get your entire cast, or a least a good portion of it, to do it, you'd be more successful. Props for trying if nothing else. Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:31:00 - [96] should do more of a attack of the show thing where almost nothing is form a script and you have ugly gaming people ok ok AOTS people aren't UGLY but they're not very pretty :P just people feeling free to say whatever they feel like saying because they're are there to talk about a game they love. That said a live interactive Experince like AOTS would be wonderful don't know why you got offended about big breasted ladies or something on the live dev blog when someone asked about this. I think what they meant were live polls and live questions along with live interviews and the such. peace good luck with this all.
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:38:00 - [97] From the other thread: Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 23/06/2007 19:22:11 I have to echo what was said about the scripted setting. Too much looking at the paper and not enough eye contact. Spiral in particular had all the animation of a dead fish as he robotically read off the paper in his hand. I have no doubt that if he watched himself he would agree there is room for improvement there. The tele-prompter sounds like a good idea, but I don't know what (if any) technical hurdles come with that. It would be nice to have a market segment on the news, perhaps with comments/interviews with EvE market moguls or those embarking on great new ventures. With the one FT article released on EvE's economy, I think EvETV would do well to build upon that potential. I know a lot of market forum regulars would love an interview with Dan Speed, so that would be a good place to start. ----
the blender the Gentleman Loser	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:58:00 - [98] I've watched the show, read the thread and here's what I think. 1./ Downloadable Episodes, ok while not great business sense wise but would go a long way to actually considering what your fanbase on the whole would purchase. 2./ A less formal style would make things flow a little more, as mentioned before it's ok in the context of a news segment, but for the rest of the show, a bit less formality would go a long way. 3./ I would suggest you decide on news content the day before you go to recording, or even the same day, Eve is a fast paced world with daily eve shattering events (that's if you belive everything you read in CAOD ) 4./ Presentation, in all aspects could use some work. From looking down, to audio levels to making sure your hairs been brushed. Tv will always highlight the worst in people's looks you need to be highly critical of your appearance as presenters. My overall impression, I quite liked it! I hope to see the team relax a little more on set as this project progresses. Now as to paying for episodes, that's another matter. This service may well become somthing worth paying for, it certainly has potential, but I am prevented from paying even if I could by the lack of credit card, a problem quite a few will face probably. I am able to watch further shows because I have a domain thus as many email addreses as I need So congrats on the launch, but I'm not gonna eat my Raven just yet
Sam Bakr	Posted - 2007.06.23 23:00:00 - [99] Ok I've read the first page, then skipped though the second page after Fortuna's little critique on the critique other people were given, and stopped reading after winterblinks first post, but here's my experience: 1000k stream I only saw the buffering bit a couple of times, but that's probably due to the stupid amount of data that's downloading on my PC while I was watching it. 50 credits left - not enough to watch the next show :( The show was good, sound levels going all over was not good, but I turned my sound up a little and it did not matter too much after that. Presenters "sleeping" - or reading from a printed script, not good, but with this being a first show I'm going to ignore this as an initial nerves problem.. The lighting on the news section - spiralJunkie and StevieSG - was not very flattering for either presenter, or my monitor settings are wrong, but it looked like StevieSG was in 2D, and not a real person, where as spiralJunkie looked like, well a junkie with really bad bags under his eyes... More information on the New Player Experiment would be nice, as I would like to know how the tutorial took Kasumi a week to do, as with this character I did it an about 4 hours.. Actually scratch that I'm talking to a new player now, and my god it's a hard slog explaining things via the chat windows. The section on the London Meet Up was good, but I've got this feeling that putting a beutiful young lady like Fortuna in a room full of geeks / eve fans might have been a bad idea - or is that just where I live where young women in pubs are never far from someone thinking "Hellooo Nurse"?? Please note, that I've never done anything like this, and the above was just my opinions and can be taken or left as you see fit. But please get some teleprompters or big TV's for the presenters to read the news / infomation from as it will look a little more professional. Oh and i've been playing the game from day 1 almost, but I like to have a challenge every so often :D
Sam Bakr	Posted - 2007.06.23 23:09:00 - [100] Originally by: Kain Bodom Edited by: Kain Bodom on 23/06/2007 20:34:40 again i cant stress enough how stupid this is!! credits to watch an online tv show..?? Last time i had to use credits to watch something it was a peep show. cheaper and more entertaining. dump the credits idea it is down right idiotic. Get some ads on the front of the show or something like real webcasts do. Dont ask the viewer to pay that is really really dumb... Have you looked at Sanctuary at all - it's a TV show that is only available online and you pay approx ú2 per episode... It's a professional show that stars Amanda Tapping (SG-1) and a few of the other stargate team. You can download the episodes in HD or normal quality, each episode is approx 15 mins long, but it is very interesting and they are trying to prove a point - that companies do not need to sell their shows to TV stations, they can sell direct to the audience. Pay credits to watch TV - sure, in the UK we have Sky, Cable, and TopUpTV - where you pay to watch shows.... moving to a web based distribution system is the next thing in TV show broadcasting, hell historians will have 18 October 2004 as the death of TV, thanks to Sky One's broadcast of Battlestar Gallactica - look up a video called "Piracy Is Good" or "The future of bit torrent".
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 23:57:00 - [101] Better than expected, I shall pay for the next show or two before passing final judgement. However a few points to note, The 505 story was great and interesting, as was the MC one (although we all know MC already ;)) The Hilmar interview was cool, but rambling and going around in circles, you needed to prep more questions in advance about more than just the recent alligations after he had answered them. Fortuna Five is OMGHOT!!! But tbh didn't really seem to know that much about the game (yet at least) and although she is (very) pleasing on the eye perhaps a reporter with more experence wouldn't have hurt. Having a "repeat Fortuna Fives" part button might be nice as well. I chose the 500k stream I have a 10 meg connection and it was smooth and never needed buffering, and left me free credit for the hilmar interview, having that seperate from the rest of the show was disappointing. The "new player experence" thing I really don't understand, taking a week to go though the tutorial? Getting help from more experenced players, generally seperating the person from what the real experence is what is the feature meant to achive? Oh and more pvp and game footage and news would be good, just a day or so ago a Bob titan went boom, pretty major story but no mention? Personally I would rather a WMV file I could download which would be DRM infected so I could watch it back at my pleasure on my machine, but not share with others. I hope the above is taken in the spirit it is intended and I look forward to the future next couple of shows. /me waves at fortuna five.
Sokhar Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.24 00:24:00 - [102] twas crap
Tykari Gallente Imperium Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:04:00 - [103] Edited by: Tykari on 24/06/2007 02:03:04 Not a bad first episode, but definitly room for a few improvements here and there, most of which have already been said. Now to go with what people said about the interviews and talks being a bit obstructed by the setting of the table. Now I don't know what exactly is available in space and such, but I do have a suggestion to that. Many people have been saying they liked it better when it were sofa's and a coffeetable. So why not do a bit of both? The news section can stay in the current form with the desk, while some of the interviews can be done in a "sofa setting", to get back the more casual feeling to it and at the same time keep the seriousness for other aspects of the show. You have the ability to play with the set a little now so don't hesitate to use it. I'm sure that EvE TV will turn out to be great once the few rough edges have been dealt with. ------ In my memories is still see the waves. The light and the energy pulsing, forming shapes so complex and beautiful. It is a tale none will ever believe.
Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:05:00 - [104] That was a good show, I liked it. I specialy liked the part where you discuss current events in eve. Just one suggestion, I think you should try and get some Q-cards(sp?) so that you look more towards the camera when you are talking. I'm sure your show will only improve as you gain experience and I wish you guys good luck. KK.
SkeletonDenial Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:38:00 - [105] Gave up during the CCP CEO interview due to the constant buferring issues, and 1 buffer error, otherwise, I prolly woulda watched the whole thing.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:45:00 - [106] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 24/06/2007 02:46:10 Hmmm now that people mention it the Table is a Bit Severe for the whole Show, but ditching it all together is not good as I like that "BBC News" type look. Why not have a mix? The Today show (a Morning News/infotainment program in the US) is a good example of this where "Hard News" is delivered behind a Desk complete with the Requisite monitor in the BackGround Or Chroma-Key insert.Run Captions across the Bottom with the most interesting tidbits off COAD (Like Titan Goes Down in Etc Etc) Do the interview, "Touchy Feely" Fun, bits on sofa (do it on the Sofa heheh) and stuffed chair type set you know with like bottles of Quafe everywhere.. This gives you more options to when cutting between stories. Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
yaizon	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:50:00 - [107] tranquility is down, I dont mind. pay to watch evetv, I don't mind. evetv website refuses to load for the past hour, aww wtf. guess ill have to catch it another time. ps. you can hire me to come and be an engineer :)
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:05:00 - [108] Props and stuff. Maybe it ain't so bad to let people drink a -little- before/during the show. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Broska coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:11:00 - [109] Good points: Quite enjoyable format. MC Special was pritty damn good. The 505 Segment was interesting. Really like the little "statements" that were read out. Could be realy cool in the future. War Dec's through EVE TV anyone? Hellmar Interview - decent stuff. No Delivary system problems for me. Improved alot since the last time it was used. Bad Points: Presenters looking down at the cardboard script FAR too much. Felt like they were just reading rather than presenting (Auto-cue next time?) A little too serious in some parts, that could probably have been done off the cusp without a script. I would actualy pay to see more of EVE TV though if it wasn't for one thing. The delivery system itself. I object to having to pay to see the episode again after already seeing it once. And the biggest issue is the Hellmar Intereview. I burned pritty much the rest of my credits watching the whole interview which still contained the bit's that were shown on the program. A downloadable option would be alot better. As EVE TV Doesn't have to be live there's no REAL need to stream it. I wouldn't mind paying for an episode on an episode by episode basis. ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
Johnathan Walker Caldari Blood Moon Masques	Posted - 2007.06.24 05:08:00 - [110] I had the pleasure of checking out Eve TV's first show. Many people will complain and moan, but me... I AM SUPER EXCITED! Why? There's untold potential to be tapped into here ladies and gents. Yes, there's bugs. Yes, there's buffering... but you know what... for a first show I was grinning ear to ear. I especially liked the 3D station intro bit. That was very cool. To have Hellmar come in and do a bit of talking, that was very sweet indeed. It wasn't the content or what was talked about, but the very ability to take a step back from the game and look towards the backend was awesome. I am thoroughly looking forward to Episode Two as there is nowhere to go but UP! Request: Would text transcripts of the shows be available? I hereby volunteer my fingers to this task :)

Santiago Cortes Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:00:00 - [111] Thought I'd attempt to answer a few of the points made, if I didn't answer it, I probably thought you were right! Autocue - no idea why there wasn't but it still takes a whole lot of practice to pull off reading something and looking natural. You also need someone to operate it. All new presenters are nervous, spiraljunkie was when he started, it's fine saying train people but there's a cost there - roughly 3-500 pound per person per day depending on the course and the umming and ahhing may have to stay in if you run short of studio time. Which is the same reason why, if you include script and running order changes why it simply isn't a case of "learning a few lines". Events will overtake television news - because there wasn't any fraps and television is a visual medium there wasn't likely to be any news of the downed Titan. As for future news alot of it depends on when the program is recorded, so if you're going to kill Titans in future try and do it Tuesday evening and make sure to ask for someone to Fraps it :p Weekly shows do not do immediate news well. A program attempting to establish itself and somewhat reliant on CCP is hardly going to go all Newsnight/60 minutes on Helmar. A confrontational approach to an interview rarely produces anything worthy of note. As had been pointed out, some of the rambling could have been euthanised. I suspect the London meet edit was more a time thing than anything else, it takes a substantial amount of the stuff to edit anything down, even moreso if you then have to stitch it together with the rest of the program. You need to use rl currency because the people making the program are not CCP. We will not be focusing on the giant WAR all the time. For the news in particular to get better we need people from alliances, corps and individuals to be available - there's the thread in CAOD - HERE for noting down whom is media cleared in an entity but you'd be surprised how difficult it is to get a hold of someone at any given time. Maybe we need to add a fixer per corp who is never offline so they can grab someone for us :p The humour has to be more scripted, 30 minutes or however long the program is goes by extremely quickly and has to be very disciplined. As opposed to live shows, there is not time to fill, only stuff that needs to be lost. Pre-recorded shows do lack some degree of spontaneity and audience expectation needs to reflect this. On the other hand, personalities will shine and there will be more banter once the presenters get to know one another, their styles and limits. We may see more news over player meetings and interviews and that sort of thing in the future. Given where evetv is produced, going to have to get used to the British accent :p There is no comparison to be made between evetv in its original form and now the formats are that different. As far as I'm aware NPE will be a separate show to evetv :) Overall it's a pilot and has positives and negatives, people won't be sat around resting on their laurels following this and all feedback is greatly appreciated. forum rules \| mailto:[email protected]

Eric Eclipse	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:04:00 - [112] I dont think you should need to pay for credits, I didnt even get to watch the whole first episode after a few minutes i found out how the credits worked. Its just a TV Show i dont want to pay for it.
Johnathan Walker Caldari Blood Moon Masques	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:11:00 - [113] Originally by: Eric Eclipse I dont think you should need to pay for credits, I didnt even get to watch the whole first episode after a few minutes i found out how the credits worked. Its just a TV Show i dont want to pay for it. Ahh, but isn't reality the sad truth? I would love it to be free too but unfortunately I don't think that's possible Eric.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:06:00 - [114] Quote: We will not be focusing on the giant WAR all the time. Fair enough, but there was no mention of it all. And since this was the first broadcast of EVETV since the war broke out, there should have been a lot of time dedicated to updating on major events since it started, and recent updates. Stuff like NPE, videos and interviews should be secondary, since EVETV is a great medium to update the community on the biggest thing in EVE history. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Dizang	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:56:00 - [115] Im a bit confused, Why would I want to pay money to watch people talk about a game they ( and this is from reading the postÆs ) they know nothing or at least very little about and then I find some of them havenÆt even played it. When I can get all the information they are giving here on the forums. Or in game. I havenÆt watched the show and I know I should to make my own judgments and I see its free ( ill wait for the others to come on to You Tube ) but out of the player base I think I read that only what 20% of its players come to the forums so how many out of that 20% watch this. I have seen the some of the old Eve TV and three blokes on a sofa chatting about a game is more appealing to me than attempts at eye candy and a professional looking TV show I just donÆt see the point in, and 11Mill ? Surely that could of gone into something worth while. But then no one is making me watch it so good luck and if the reports swing to a more positive stance I might tune in.
eldaro Gallente East Khanid Trading	Posted - 2007.06.24 09:07:00 - [116] Finally managed to watch it (only worked fully on the lowest quality setting, will have to find out why) and liked most of it. The MC bit was the best and hopefully the next one will be better, but i won't be signing up. Is there any info on how many people actually watched/signed up? BTW i loved the graphics for the intro bit and the back drop, El Recruitment Thread EKT Website
lordopic	Posted - 2007.06.24 09:11:00 - [117] Edited by: lordopic on 24/06/2007 09:12:30 Ok signed up got about 2 mins in them my credits ran out but by that time I was in so much pain I didnÆt bother to get more, Im sorry I thought you had professional presenters, I have seen better work done by media students. Please if this is going to have any chance of getting more than ten people tuning in hire some one who can do the job your paying them to do. Oh and i agree the craphics at the start and the In game footage was about all that was good and I thought this was ment to be News, only news i saw was weeks old.
Deanine	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:01:00 - [118] Regarding Stevie looking down to the papers: Looking to the papers isnt rly a big deal. You see professional news presenters doing it allot also on TV, but the way you do it makes a deal. Move your head a bit down, in stead of having your head pointed at the camera and pushing your eyes down. Cuz that last thing gives a bit of cheating look "OMG i need to look they cant see" Nice show, very nice initiative, doesnt have to be perfect it will get close to such point in time. Just too bad of the credits, it doesnt help making EVE TV something for "everyone" just for the ppl with moeny
Ambo	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:24:00 - [119] Have to say I was pretty impressed. Watched it on 1000k and had no problems with the streaming whatsoever. As has been said already, the variations in sound level where annoying but no other major problems. The MC report in particular was both well done and interesting to watch. Considering it's only 76p for a show, I'll certainly be watching again in the future.
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:55:00 - [120] I thought it was somewhat anti-climatic. I was expecting a lot more from it. Whilst you had lots of varied articles, I personally felt they where hollow and lacking in substance. The Alliance profile on MC was more like a propeganda peice (which I'm not in any way suggesting it was), than a documentary and the interviewing of Hellmar avoided any kind of difficult questioning of the allegations of misconduct and developer/corporate bias towards BoB. That peice alone should of been Hillmar's chance to put an end to these relentless rumours once and for all so that we can all move on. From a technical standpoint, I was also disapointed. My free credits ran out during the first few minutes of the episode, meaning I then had a mad dash to purchse more. The website also was unclear on how the credits for viewing worked so I, along with many others I know, failed to pre-purchase them. There was also far too much buffering with the show stopping every few minutes due to it. What I did like was the way it was polished. Whilst the presenters all looked (understandably) nervous, I'm sure they'll find their feet as we progress through the shows. The varied nature of the articles was also good. It's just as a shame as I've said, that they where so shallow. I realise you have limited time but prehaps in future you could flesh out your articles by reducing the number of them in the show. It would also be nice to see more articles on upcoming and planned development features. Reading about Tech 3 or Walking in Stations or Planetary Interaction in Eon is all well and good but it is nice to actually see these visually presented on the secreen. Not all of us can make it to Fanfest remember On the whole, I think the show has potential. The presenters just need to relax a little more, be themselves and the articles need fleshing out to become more interesting and should take a politically neutral stance on their presentation. If this is done, I think this will become a very interesting feature of the world of Eve Online Make a Difference
x10z2 The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:57:00 - [121] Edited by: x10z2 on 24/06/2007 11:57:40 Edited by: x10z2 on 24/06/2007 11:56:49 Although the whole looking down at the papers thing wasn't a major issue, I would suggest using some form of teleprompting. http://www.bmyers.com/public/662.cfm?sd=30 If you go half way down the page there is the free solution bit. You can shove it on a laptop. I'm sure you've already thought of this and it's not viable for some reason. Just in case. The comments on the desk have been made, just relax a little. I'm sure this point will come with time. As for the presenters, tbh I really don't care whether or not players have 1 day experience of the game or many years. As long as you play and enjoy the game. I say this because most of the show is scripted so really I only want people who are actually enjoying what they are doing and understand to some extent what they are talking about. For the alliance tournament on the post battle panel, I'd want the most seasoned combat veterans really who can offer an in depth analysis. It might just be a personal preference of mine but Spiral the unbuttoned blue shirt when you were interviewing Hellmar wasn't working for me. The whole background thing, I'm not sure about. I rather liked the backgrounds in the last alliance tournament. Now on the whole Jalipo credits thing. I'd suggest, as others have, setting up ad banners to either reduce or remove the cost of watching. All in all I enjoyed it. The alliance part was cool. Sorry if I've only seemingly come up with criticisms, just take it that I enjoyed everything and that which I criticised I enjoyed a little less. Keep it up guys! Disclaimer: Yes, I've probably made lots of typos, grammatical errors, sorry.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:14:00 - [122] Quote: The MC report in particular was both well done and interesting to watch. I beg to differ my friendly rabbit informs me Frick one of the founding members along with BDCI we're not even mentioned
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:58:00 - [123] I believe it was boasted as a 10 million pound studio, but it doesn't have a teleprompter? It just looked bad, justify it however you like, but to me it looked poor to be peeking at the script every second. Additionally I dislike the roller coaster effect. I pay by the second but can't control the ride? I can't skip parts I don't like at all nor can I watch it again later. I'm leasing content. Compared to other services like i-tunes it is laughable at best. And to those that say "it's just a buck fifty, lol" I have to say it is the principle of the matter for me. I look at every service like this objectively aside from the cash. In this case it seems abusive of the fanbase. What is "just a buck" to you can be hundreds of thousands of dollars monthly for them. Don't let your derision of your nominal fee cloud your perception of their potential income, and the fact it is rewarding them to nickle and dime you as payback for your love of the game. I rather preferred the old home-made, I believe it was ascn, news to this in terms of feel and spirit. This feels... too much like a soul-less business operation.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.24 14:19:00 - [124] Originally by: Alexi Borizkova I believe it was boasted as a 10 million pound studio, but it doesn't have a teleprompter? It just looked bad, justify it however you like, but to me it looked poor to be peeking at the script every second. Additionally I dislike the roller coaster effect. I pay by the second but can't control the ride? I can't skip parts I don't like at all nor can I watch it again later. I'm leasing content. Compared to other services like i-tunes it is laughable at best. And to those that say "it's just a buck fifty, lol" I have to say it is the principle of the matter for me. I look at every service like this objectively aside from the cash. In this case it seems abusive of the fanbase. What is "just a buck" to you can be hundreds of thousands of dollars monthly for them. Don't let your derision of your nominal fee cloud your perception of their potential income, and the fact it is rewarding them to nickle and dime you as payback for your love of the game. I rather preferred the old home-made, I believe it was ascn, news to this in terms of feel and spirit. This feels... too much like a soul-less business operation. I agree there is no way that was a 10 mil studio and if it was then you shouldn't be using it that or... money can't buy **** anymore :(
Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 14:30:00 - [125] I'd like to point out that most of us don't necessarely read the entire thread before posting. That is why you see the same comment beeing posted more then once. And what I just said has probably allready been said. KK.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.24 15:42:00 - [126] I havent seen the show yet, but what people want these days is not professional shows. There is a reason that sites like youtube do very well despite crappy quality vids and no professional editing. Its interesting, funny, shocking, unusual. Its NOT polished. It has personality. Like I said, I havent seen the show yet, but unless the presenters are interesting (and not just good looking), it wont be a success. We get good looking people on TV every hour of the day. You cant put the TV format on the web and charge people because its on the web. You need make the show interesting, and if it is, you can have presenters looking like garbage and it will still succeed. Content is king as always. Just 2 my cents. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:03:00 - [127] Agreed with the teleprompter and sound levels. Far too much reading and less presenting. No teleprompter is not a technical hiccup or something you could improve later, it's either you have one or not. Get one and combine it with people that already know what they are talking about and it would be much better. Share the news with us, don't read it to us. Didn't you mention you had professional hair dressers? Because StevieSG's hair looked like she just woke up. Personally I'd replace her with Katsumi. It's obvious that neither of them had any idea what they were talking about (listening to Stevie read off region names was sadly hilarious) but at least Katsumi seemed a bit eager and excited, just with nothing to do. Stevie had the personality of the backdrop. Spiral was sleep walking through the whole thing too. Compared to the interview fanfest highlights also on the website I can't believe it's the same person. While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. It was also very obvious she had no idea what she was asking questions about. Wasn't Katsumi at the meet? Why did we not see her? Also with that many people there, why the same few people being interviewed? Goggles guy and Scottish guy went a long way in making that segment entertaining. Still, it was a little repetitive. I think the most disappointing part was the headlines. Both presenters seemed very out of it, no energy at all, reading it to us. While Spiral might be familiar with EVE Stevie obviously isn't and she just, I don't know, really rubbed me the wrong way. The video of in game was pretty generic really, a lot of moving screenshots, and didn't really bring the story to life for me. Which you really needed to do since the presentation was so bland. One thing to try would be to work with the news guys from ISD and CCP Abraxas to see about adding in some in game type stories. Bring the viewers into the game world and events that are happening as well. Show that while EVE is a "game" that people play it's also a living and changing universe. Maybe have NPC factional profiles as well as player alliance profiles. Hearing about the Minmatar ***** down on terrorism would be more entertaining to me than a bunch of freighter gankers justifying greifing. Really though, the worst part about EVE TV was the lack of Beefy Fiddler. Maybe next week's $100 swag giveaway can be for the best answer to "What made Beefy Fiddler think a name like that was a good choice?" or perhaps a player art contest where we email in artist renditions of what fiddling beef means. In closing, more sharing less reading, wake up Spiral, swap Katsumi and Stevie, send Fortuna to interviewing school, fix the audio, but most of all have everyone learn EVE.
Bazan Kor STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:14:00 - [128] Edited by: Bazan Kor on 24/06/2007 17:15:57 Edited by: Bazan Kor on 24/06/2007 17:13:19 Originally by: Dulsung While Spiral might be familiar with EVE Stevie obviously isn't and she just, I don't know, really rubbed me the wrong way. Erm dominick in the first section about hi sec ganks. A small thing I know but its a common enough ship that you could actually pronounce its name properly. I know I'm biased in this but what happened to the STK interview? Its mentioned in the intro but then never actually happens
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:40:00 - [129] Thank you for the kind comments I have received on this thread its appreciated and from the majority of the community I have received a positive welcome. Thanks to those of you that have given me support in game, on myspace and also on various chat channels and other EVE forums. Let me just state this again I am a VOLUNTEER, I did not train as a presenter either but then neither did Spiral when he first started. Also please feel free to step into my shoes, I believe that there is a volunteering thread on this forum. This job is not easy and many other presenters train at broadcasting schools and the like to get professional and they still stumble. No I am not over sensitive, I am rightly upset because I volunteered my time in good faith to do something I enjoy and something that I thought was good and now I have people making comments about me being "eye candy" which I assure you cannot be further from the truth. FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Maliber Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:53:00 - [130] Congrats on your first episode EVE TV. I think you did a great job so far. It's a nice addition to eve.
Bek Team Bek	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:21:00 - [131] Originally by: FortunaFive whines Hi Michiyo! Welcome to Eve. We're quite opinionated over here, a few tears and a bunch of words isn't likely to change anyone's impressions of you. On the contrary it comes off as a sign of weakness and weakness isn't something to be aired on these forums like laundry. You can keep posting in this thread, eager to defend yourself under the misguided notion you might change anyone's perceptions or you can suck it up and try to do better next time. I'm glad you've had lots of academic success, let's hope you're able to translate that into something the rest of us can appreciate and hopefully on the way to doing that you learn what Eve Online so you better understand the community and the consequences of your actions.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:57:00 - [132] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/06/2007 19:00:23 I disagree that its a sign of weakness to speak her mind on the things people have said about her in this thread. Everybody has an opinion, including the ones doing the show. I still havent been in the mood to watch the show, but I will... Props to everybody doing the show. I know I wouldnt have the courage to volunteer myself. Even spiral is taking a lot of flak about his appearence despite him being excellent at his job. People are extreamly superficial since we are used to people being "on tv" looking good. I would most certainly become murdered over my appearance. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.06.24 19:23:00 - [133] Originally by: FortunaFive Let me just state this again I am a VOLUNTEER, I did not train as a presenter ... I volunteered my time in good faith to do something I enjoy and something that I thought was good and now I have people making comments about me being "eye candy" ... Sorry if you took offense at my comments FortunaFive, but they were based upon this post from Xicon, which clearly leads one to assume the co-hosts and presenters that were hired are professionals and experts in their fields. You're right that Spiral was quite unprofessional with the first versions of EVE TV and honestly we liked that since it was EVE TV by the players for the players. However this time, EVE TV has really tried to push the whole "we're professional now, we're charging you now" and naturally that raises expectations of the viewing audience. Are you saying you're an unpaid volunteer for EVE TV when you say you volunteer your time for this? Since Xicon seems to imply otherwise. Originally by: Xicon Why is there a cost for EVE TV? The team here at MMM Publishing has been in the planning stages of the new EVE TV weekly show for more than eight months now. As Xyliana has stated we are going pro! We have been recruiting experts in many fields such as set designers, make-up artists, sound engineers, technicians, graphic animators, 3d artists, studio technicians and not to mention the pretty co-hosts and presenters. emphasis mine To be honest on air you made jokes about being pretty and how you'll stay that way and your witty banter with Spiral, filmed in two different versions, was specifically about your youth and good looks. So hopefully you'll forgive me for being confused and critical. I mean for my comments to be constructive criticism from a paying customer, not insults or anything like that. You've sold us a product and we've responded with ideas of how we'd like that product to be improved upon. It's nothing personal against you or any of the team, but for a paid product I want a lot more polish than I saw yesterday morning.
Maniai Pavor	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:42:00 - [134] To the girls When you are in the spotlight you are bound to receive some heavy criticism especially if it has to do with Internet. Take it with a pinch of salt, don't take it personal, accept the compliments, learn from the constructive comments and move on. And grow a thicker skin. If you are bothered by being seen as eyecandy then improve, up your game and show you are more than that, don't write about how good you are at something else.
FortunaFive Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:50:00 - [135] Edited by: FortunaFive on 24/06/2007 20:50:06 Hi Dulsang, no offense taken . My banter with Spiral and co was just that....I seriously and believe me I really mean this do not think I am pretty at all but I like to respond to things wittily. I am learning the game slowly and surely, in fact I am finding it seriously addictive and have stopped playing all other games! I can understand totally why you would have been confused and I understand the need to make points about things your paying for as well...I am the first one to stand up shout and wave my stick when I think somethings wrong. It would be a naive assumptions in my part to assume that I can learn everything in an instant, I certainly cannot but I am hoping that other kind players such as the guys in T.H.E.M and EVE University will help guide me along.I have spent nearly everyday playing EVE. I am I must stress very grateful to be a part of EVE and the community too! ((((Dulsang)))) no hard feelings. btw I have been blogging some of my experiences of EVE if anyone is interested? As for training, I am wandering off in August to train at as school that will give me camera techniques so we shall see... xxxx FortunaFive EVE TV Website
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:06:00 - [136] Edited by: Erim Solfara on 24/06/2007 21:09:00 Didn't like it at all. Even if we completely ignore my arguments against pay-per-minute streaming software, buffering issues, and embedded flash players. I didn't like the fancy new studio (which didn't even look that good), I HATED the way the whole thing was scripted, and how everyone seemed to be doing their damnedest to look like a professional newscaster, even down to the irritating rising and falling emphasis on every other word, how they kept reading off their papers (forgivable, it's a pilot), and how completely uncharismatic the whole thing's become. Spiraljunkie looked so bored by the whole script-reading affair that he was in danger of not bothering doing the second half and leaving StevieSG to finish the show. FortunaFive is a pretty face and nothing more. "I'm, er, going to talk to this guy, and ask him why he's here!""Hey! So, er, why are you here then?" It was all contrived and forced, as for telling the people watching about how the other new host is finding the new player experience, No-one cares, old players did the tutorials a long while ago, and had it harder, new players don't care that someone else is finding it really easy, it makes them feel bad if they're not, and they're not going to be subscribed to evetv while they're doing the tuts are they? The documenting of the pub meet was a little pointless, the only reasons people go to a gathering like that is for the atmosphere, the company, and the booze, we get none of those simply watching it. The only saving grace was the section on MC, possibly... Bring back amateurish, naturally flowing conversation, with people who have a clue. EDIT: Just a thought, thought about asking corps/alliances in game to pay a little bit for airing their own 20 second recruitment adds in game? Perhaps even longer ones inbetween features. There is some very high quality work out there, and you could get people to pay you to show it. A new tool in the fight for balance?
DJSemajal Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:43:00 - [137] Erim- i think the thing to remember is that it is a pilot, it is very new for the people presenting and is a different field of experiance for most of them. Everyone has done very well, and as they all relax infront of the cameras and get to know how things work i am sure the banter will flow better. Oh and ive played for over 3 years and have actually enjoyed listening to the new hosts talking about the game. Its really interesting to hear someones experiances and how they are finding it out, especially remembering how annoyingly hard the game was to get into. But then everyone is welcome to an opinion on this. I say they did a damned good job, and looking foward to the next show.
Eomar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:53:00 - [138] Originally by: Erim Solfara I HATED the way the whole thing was scripted, and how everyone seemed to be doing their damnedest to look like a professional newscaster, even down to the irritating rising and falling emphasis on every other word, how they kept reading off their papers (forgivable, it's a pilot), and how completely uncharismatic the whole thing's become. A lot of people have said that, and its something that bugged me as well, as i understood it the autocue was fuxxored hence the looking at the papers, and as for the scripting, i pulled spraljunkie up on that during last nights siradio show with soulblythe it was the first show after all, they wanted to try and keep it sort of straight and narrow and to the point where possible. spiral assured us that as the show progresses its going to be more in the old vein with a lot more relaxed interviewing and his usual off the cuff unscripted style. Im fairly sure his presenting style was why he got the job after all, so its only fair to assume that hes gonna be let loose to do it his way soon enough, although I do think we need the couch back for the interviews at least! Originally by: Erim Solfara It was all contrived and forced, as for telling the people watching about how the other new host is finding the new player experience, No-one cares, old players did the tutorials a long while ago, and had it harder, new players don't care that someone else is finding it really easy, it makes them feel bad if they're not, and they're not going to be subscribed to evetv while they're doing the tuts are they? Well, i personally enjoyed it, there was a bit of the nostalgia factor in it for me and its always nice to see new players coming into the game, after all without them eve would wither and die, also its quite possible that new players will be here just BECAUSE they watched eve tv. Originally by: Erim Solfara The documenting of the pub meet was a little pointless, the only reasons people go to a gathering like that is for the atmosphere, the company, and the booze, we get none of those simply watching it. again I quite liked that, gave an insight for those of us who havent been to meets as to what theyre like, and maybe convinced a few more people to go give one a shot, I for one am planning on selling a kidney so I can get to the london meet on july 7th. Originally by: Erim Solfara The only saving grace was the section on MC, possibly... no arguments here. other alliances need to step up and have a shot now! Originally by: Erim Solfara EDIT: Just a thought, thought about asking corps/alliances in game to pay a little bit for airing their own 20 second recruitment adds in game? Perhaps even longer ones inbetween features. the etv team have been asking for player input since day one of the first etv broadcast, players seem to shout a lot but very few seem to want to actually take a swing and show what they have got! Originally by: Erim Solfara There is some very high quality work out there, and you could get people to pay you to show it. so far they wouldnt even need to pay! lets see your skillz folks! While i certainly dont agree with all your points im hardly one to say you cant have your opinion, and hopefully itll change as time goes on! kudos for putting up WHY you dont like it, instead of the more common "hate it sucks blarghhh whine" others should take note. hope youll give evetv a chance I certainly plan to. (if i werent such an ugly barsteward with poor social skills id probly have applied to present, and i certainly wont knock those that ARE, thats gotta take nerve.) ...in accordance with the prophecy
Maraude Fury Minmatar Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:55:00 - [139] I won't talk about the production quality as it'll improve as everyone gets used to it. I'll talk about the content. Helmar's interview. He said basically the same thing we can read on the web site. yay for paying for something that's free. Hearing him repeat the same thing over and over was not worth the $. Content content content. The MC thing was nice, but again, we can get that for free from the EVE website by clicking on the nice video MC has up in the Video section. Maybe just giveing us a quick 20 second highlight of it and telling us to go view the full thing would have been better. The Eve Meet thing was a good idea, but there were no names under the people, there was very little "real" questions asked. I expect the audio to be bad in a bar, but the "reporters" need to get the mic over to the interviewee's mouth quickly. as others have said, we need more REAL news. I want to see content here that is not available on the eve forums. I want to see interviews with CCP personel, tours of the server farm, "A week with alliance/corp XXX" and such. this is a game about politics and there was almost no mention of what went on in the past week. Did any alliance's disolve? did an alliance's merge? did anyone loose an Outpost? was there any major offensive.. helloooo.. titan lost.... NEWS! This is suppsed to be NEWS about eve. So inform us of what's went on this week IN EVE. Maraude Fury CEO: Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:56:00 - [140] Originally by: Erim Solfara ...FortunaFive is a pretty face and nothing more... I have to take issue with this. Yes, she has a pretty face, but I know her both in and out of the game and can assure you that she's a hell of a lot more than that. You're basing your opinion on a badly edited selection of the player meet involving FortunaFive, new to the game and to presenting (as had been the producers' intention), thrown into a pub full of people she didn't know and supposed to interview them without prepared questions or background information. How would you do in that situation? If you disagree with the idea of the show, just say so. Don't lower yourself to making unfair judgements about presenters you know nothing about. It'll get better as everyone has practice. The point of a pilot is to gauge reactions and get feedback so it can be made better next time, and I think this one has been more than successful in that regard. What remains to be seen is how the comments and suggestions are acted upon.
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:00:00 - [141] a) Yes, I am allowed my opinion b) You countering it won't change it. c) I have some credits left, I'll watch as much as I can next show. I doubt I'll change my mind, too much was wrong with it. As for telling me I'm wrong about FortunaFive, I made a statement about what I thought from what I'd seen. Don't tell me about how she is in real life, the point of the pilot show is to gauge feedback from the show, and the viewers don't have any other evidence before them. What would I have done in the situation, I wouldn't have applied to be a presenter in the first place, as not to end up in a situation that could put me out of my depth. How would you have coped if someone has asked your to paint the Sistine chapel, badly, oooh, no you wouldn't have taken the job would you? A new tool in the fight for balance?
Ecktor Slein	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:17:00 - [142] Of course you're allowed your own opinion, just as I'm allowed to point out what I think is wrong with it, or rather what's wrong with what your opinion is based on. I wasn't telling you just how she is in real life, just ask the people who've encountered her in game what they think and they'll tell you the same. As for not taking the job in the first place, maybe if she'd been asked at the start to do more than simply the "New Player Experience" she would have said no, as it is these extra things got bolted on afterwards. I wouldn't have said yes to painting the Sistine chapel the way Michelangelo did, but I might have said yes to whitewashing it and then got a bit stumped when they asked for all that detail later. The problem with these forums is that we can bicker back and forth about who's right, who's wrong, and whether someone's more than a pretty face until the cows come home, and it'll get us nowhere. I updated your information on FortunaFive, you decided to ignore it and continue to judge her only by bad editing and an unprepared situation, let's leave it there. At least you said she's a pretty face...
implanted Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:24:00 - [143] Well i spose there was always gonna be people having a moan up but i really enjoyed being interviewed by the totaly sexy FortunaFive (im the one in the loud dragon shirt). this also greatly added to the experiance i have had in playing Eve for just over 3 years now.....heres to the next instalment....well done Eve T-V
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:24:00 - [144] Edited by: Erim Solfara on 24/06/2007 22:23:51 Actually I didn't choose to ignore it, I heard what you said, and of course I'm willing to accept that she may be much more in real life, however, what I did do, was defend what I said originally on the evidence I had at the time. In context what I said implied no more than 'she's a nice face for the show, but not a very competant presenter'. You thought I was being much more personal than that, as I probably would be, because you know who she is, and you felt the need to defend her. We'll leave it at that shall we? Oh, implanted there's no point telling us which one you were...we can't go back and watch it to see. A new tool in the fight for balance?
Thaylon Sen The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.06.24 22:42:00 - [145] We got to pay to watch? Guess I wont be watching EVE TV then
eatingyak Liberty Rogues Hammer Time.	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:08:00 - [146] Originally by: Dulsung While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. learn EVE. I thought she did it pretty well. What sort of professional interviewing techniques would you like to see when it's just gamers in the middle a pub?
Dizang	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:59:00 - [147] Originally by: FortunaFive now I have people making comments about me being "eye candy" I made this remark about eye candy and I wasnÆt applying to any one person and TBO I was referring to the amount of postÆs about the so called eye candy that was on offer, but alas TBO nothing caught my eye. DonÆt take things people say here to heart if you do you wont last long in the wonderful world of Eve or any other MMO, as for the show I have seen it now and sorry to say it needs a **** load of work to make me want to pay for it and that isnÆt aimed at one but at all from the presenters to the production staff to the tea lady. Again not having a go at any ones lack of commitment or willingness to learn, but I really would rather have my news/interviews/content brought to me by people that know a bit more than how to warp to 0 and jump. As for the news It was old news that has already been thrashed to death on the forums so hearing it again was a bit of none starter maybe the news should be tied into the story line events current and forth coming rather than something that people have either forgotten or is now part of Eve law and we just get on with it. For the players by the players, get that sofa back ditch news desk feel to the opening, we are gamers we like our shows to be a bit more chilled or is that just me,? If I want reality I turn on to the BBC at six. Onwards and upwards it might just get better or fall flat on its face time will tell.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:01:00 - [148] Start bufferbufferbufferbufferbufferbuffer" Close tab* God I hate streaming video. I hate it at the best of times, but watching it when you know your limited supply of credits is dripping away is downright nerve shredding. I'll try again later when I've got a bit more patience. From what little I saw, my main complaint is that it was overly serious. The best thing about the Tourny EveTV coverage was that it was light hearted, jokey and fun; exactly what a show about a game should be, and bloody entertaining. This felt like CNN, minus the professionalism and hard hitting headlines. Remember what made EveTV popular, and build on it to make a great show. Don't try and reinvent the wheel here. --------
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:43:00 - [149] imo FortunaFive should straighten her hair, she'd look more hot :P Also including TS meetings with 'key figures' from wars and main allainces (much like the allaince profile) but about battles, how the war efforts going etc would be nice. Erm stats would also be nice, rather then screenshots of killboards as that is quite hard to read. There were some stats, but i was thnking more of a fleet battle, talk a bit about it, stats. Another good feature would be question and answers, questions from views being answerd on air would be nice. There could be nice players watching, or just general players who would like to know stuff.(you would need some vets to answer these questions obviously) Also FortunaFive you got some guts going to the pub with them, that dude with the beer gogles looked like he was going to..... well if i were you, i'd carry a tazer :) Gr
Kangtar Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:33:00 - [150] zero zero?
the blender the Gentleman Loser	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:45:00 - [151] Originally by: FortunaFive Let me just state this again I am a VOLUNTEER, I did not train as a presenter either but then neither did Spiral when he first started. Also please feel free to step into my shoes, I believe that there is a volunteering thread on this forum. This job is not easy and many other presenters train at broadcasting schools and the like to get professional and they still stumble. No I am not over sensitive, I am rightly upset because I volunteered my time in good faith to do something I enjoy and something that I thought was good. Then as a customer, I have to ask, why are you involved in this project? What are you gaining from this, because as a busy post-grad I assume you have a lot to do and little time. Are you hoping to add to your CV, because I assume that your degree is in media of some form or another. I'm not asking to critisize more to understand the whole project of eve-tv a little better.
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:00:00 - [152] Originally by: eatingyak Originally by: Dulsung While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. learn EVE. I thought she did it pretty well. What sort of professional interviewing techniques would you like to see when it's just gamers in the middle a pub? Perhaps follow up questions that tied into the game or what it's like for players of a MMO to meet each other, especially a game as harsh and combative as EVE. Questions about the differences between how a player acts in real live compared to the type of pirate or carebear they play in EVE Online. If they act different in either place and if those actions are influenced by their game life. Less "umm..."-ing. Sure she did great for asking generic questions of people at a pub, but I think EVE TV could have prepared some better questions for her than other than "So.. umm.. what do you.. ah, do?" By the way, I loved your pink skull dress.
DJSemajal Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:44:00 - [153] Originally by: eatingyak Originally by: Dulsung While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. learn EVE. I thought she did it pretty well. What sort of professional interviewing techniques would you like to see when it's just gamers in the middle a pub? She did do well, she is learning the interviewing technique. I did a docu film making course recently and looking at the interviews we did when we were all learning, they were pretty pants. Later on though when we were more relaxed and used to things it improved. She is learning EVE btw :) but im sure you should know its not an instant thing :D
Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:52:00 - [154] I paid bloody Jalipo during the alliance tournament that didn't work and when I'm trying to use my credits now they don't recognise my email :( Don't pay them anything people. JALIPO ARE SCAMMERS
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:31:00 - [155] Overall. Quite good. I have paid a lot more to watch a lot worse. Streaming was an issue but I was at most lagged for barely 10 seconds so it was all right. Presenters definitely need an autocue. It was disconcerting to see them reading notes - it looked amatuerish. For a first episisode it had highs and low but interested me enought to watch it again. The high was the MC blurb. The low was the audio on the Hellmar interview. Next week; well I want to hear what Farjung has to say; which means I will prolly watch again.
Eamz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:12:00 - [156] I like it actually, was kind of amateurish but that is to be expected.
Deanine	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:38:00 - [157] Something else very important imo. In the interview with Hellmar, hellmar had the word very long, and Spiral was allot "uhuh" "uhuh... uhuh". Ofcourse we want to hear what Hellmar has to say but the role of Spiral here is also to have a straight line in the interview, to make sure that it sticks to the thing. What you see in interviews is that interviewers ask obvious questions, they do that to help the viewer understand the interview more. Interrupting is no big deal!
torswin Caldari Capital Productions Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.25 13:52:00 - [158] I watched it, and it was a good show. Being a non-native speaker it was hard for me to get everything you said. To be honest, all the ingame news was just a babbering of words and some pewpew. :( ---
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:05:00 - [159] Edited by: StevieSG on 25/06/2007 14:04:40 An interlude from StevieSG.. Okay so this is what I have so far...keeping in mind that regardless of most of you not reading each others posts, we will read all of yours. You don't want a profesional Looking show. But you do. But you don't if you have to pay for it.. (falls into Void)Think I should stay clear of that one.. You want pretty presenters, but not "Pretty Faces"- But pretty Hair judging by my feedback (Hehehe.. Worsel Gumage am I). Sorry guys, not gunna happen. I will not sell out my hair to TV. huge public outcry insues? And I get the feeling bashing at some of the Volunteer female presenters is not going to help the ones you enjoy watching to want to do more for the channel. When has that ever worked? we do talk to each other.. we're women Take care guys, try not to get too emotional StevieSG A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:20:00 - [160] We want pretty faces, but there has to be a fully functional capacitous brain behind there, which has to contain a fair amount of specific knowledge about the workings of, and the gameplay of Eve, I understand you're going to struggle because you're all new players. But what we really want is a free show, with people who really know what they're talking about, we certainly don't mind a few pretty faces along the way, yours for one, but that's an aside to the content of the shows. Intelligent, relevant, not-neccessarily-scripted discussion about the game first, then, perhaps a few more pretty faces for the unwashed masses to worship. A new tool in the fight for balance?
StevieSG	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:22:00 - [161] Understood A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Brolly Caldari Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:25:00 - [162] I thought it was ok for the first show. It would be pretty good if you could buy a cheap monitor for the poor buggers so they can read off that instead of bits of paper. Chat with hellmar was cool, he's a very intresting guy and it would be great to hear a lot more from him regarding his views on mmorpg's, the future of eve and many other things . /me wants a 5 mins with hellmar every episode <3 The guys just need to become more confident, which will come in time, and for under ú1 it's VERY tempting to pay out every week. News snippets are nice, granted we here about it when we log in but it's so much fun Early days yet, really intrested in what eve TV will become. Looking forward to the next show, wooow!
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:41:00 - [163] Edited by: Disco Flint on 25/06/2007 14:40:49 edit: Woopsy, hit reply button instead of back button. My bad.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:21:00 - [164] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 25/06/2007 15:26:03 Edited by: Threv Echandari on 25/06/2007 15:21:19 Originally by: StevieSG Edited by: StevieSG on 25/06/2007 14:04:40 An interlude from StevieSG.. *Snippage* You don't want a profesional Looking show. But you do. But you don't if you have to pay for it.. (falls into Void)Think I should stay clear of that one.. *Snippage about Pretty Faces...* Take care guys, try not to get too emotional StevieSG Way to go handling the "Pretty Comments" Some guys just have no idea how pompous that sound when hey say they want intelligent presenters (who also look great, know all about the game and work for free...) I can see your frustration I have been reading others posts and I can sense that "Schizoid" mentality there, you just can't please all people But your pleasing alot so you've got that going for you. The biggest thing (I think), is the pricing and format.. pay per view/ metered viewing has got to go. Many folks will pay 2.00 to to watch the show. But not another $2.00 (pounds whatever) to rewind it and watch it again. Many would like a Downloadable format that I can watch on my portable media player but its not a deal breaker. Being able to watch it over and over at the website while only having to pay once (per episode) will lessen alot of the criticsm being leveled. Note you could still charge extra for the more in-depth interviews on your current model, just as long as as you don't skimp on the main interview in the Show. Just a thought.... Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
implanted Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:51:00 - [165] Originally by: Erim Solfara Edited by: Erim Solfara on 24/06/2007 22:23:51 Actually I didn't choose to ignore it, I heard what you said, and of course I'm willing to accept that she may be much more in real life, however, what I did do, was defend what I said originally on the evidence I had at the time. In context what I said implied no more than 'she's a nice face for the show, but not a very competant presenter'. You thought I was being much more personal than that, as I probably would be, because you know who she is, and you felt the need to defend her. We'll leave it at that shall we? Oh, implanted there's no point telling us which one you were...we can't go back and watch it to see. you can see us all here some with names so u can see who we was....enjoy... http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/implanted/?start=all
Adaris Dark and Light inc.	Posted - 2007.06.25 17:09:00 - [166] First of all can I say that the software that allows you to view Eve Tv and the system of credits is very well done. There are costs to doing this, but you guys have set it at a fair price, and I'll be paying to see it ... :) Well done. Plus the viewr ... Flash I think... is really smooth, 'seamless' and clear. A very nice thing. As a word of advice can i suggest having the crew using some sort of newsreaders when they are onscreen? i.e. recording them with the type of camera in news rooms, (with a teleprompter inbuilt under the lense) so they can look directly at the camera and read the notes without looking down at the table and disengaging the audience. Other than that, I thought the content was great, and some very nice footage to go with it. Especially the quotes and topics. lastly I thought it was very very quiet in the studio. It seemed as if they were in the middle of this vast empty space, and that made me feel a bit awkward, especially thinking about the crew. lol - perhaps put in some eve music in the background on a low volume, just to give the place some ambiance and comfort. Thats an important thing to enable the crew to relax on camera and also to make it look, sound and feel nice to watch. All in all, a very very nice job. And its something I'm very happy to pay and watch. /Adaris Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Kornel Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks	Posted - 2007.06.25 18:46:00 - [167] This is NOT pro level, which are we suggested to pay. 1. Sound levels (use compressor and not deaf guy on level control) 2. Papers (autocue or hints on paper and free speak) 3. 4 piccles in one jar (4 people arm to arm) 4. Camera plans (talking to edge of the screen, cutting arms, ... composition problem) 5. Lighting ( expecialy when 4 people - look right one, sharp multiple shadows) 6. Long discussions (you should brake them to parts. No more 1 minute in one piece, 30 sec better) 7. Editing (at least few sound artifacts, transfocating AND focusing in pub) 8. Double titles.(just shame) Permanent titles. 9. No graphical/jingle brakes between parts. 10. Very small and shalow studio set. 11. Sound quality itself. (use pole big microphones) Probably I will find many more "interesting" things, if will watch this JUST SECOND time. Despite huge amount of technical errors (PRO?) - MC was almost good, walking in beer pub normal...almost :) , all other - burn it. To the oven. Long, boring, static, gray.. I did not know what person give "green" to show this, but you MUST fire him. Hire normal director, who will not allow to reach this "PRO" to public again. Empire High Sec research service!
Nate D New Atlantis Tek Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.25 19:17:00 - [168] Originally by: Sakura Nihil I have a few thoughts regarding this: - Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience. - Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants (); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it. - Hire Ifni or jamesw if they're willing. Seriously, good examples of knowing their stuff while maintaining mix of professionalism and humor - if you could get your entire cast, or a least a good portion of it, to do it, you'd be more successful. Props for trying if nothing else. Exactly! A couch not a desk... normal not pretty... fun not serious... an equal balance of entertainment and facts. I think it comes down to the fact that this is a GAME! And this media should reflect that atmosphere! Of course there are subjects that need to be more serious. Like accusations... Meh... I hope my comments help. Looking forward to "Episode II: The Return of Spiral" <3 Spiral -Nate
Suzy Creamcheesz	Posted - 2007.06.25 20:28:00 - [169] well i just watched ep 1, and i enjoyed it but definitely not enough to ever pay for it. you can count on me to watch a free version and bump up your numbers for advertisers, and i would not mind some ads here and there.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:03:00 - [170] Originally by: Sakura Nihil I have a few thoughts regarding this: - Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience. - Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants (); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it. I tend to agree with this. To be honest I'd like to see a couple of the major alliances adopt the presenters and teach them the politics and ins and outs of the game in the big boy's league. Only then will they get a true feeling for what's behind the game, and how much effort so many people put into their time in Eve-Online, and why some people are a bit peeved that people with little to no experience are presenting a show based on the game they've been playing for four years. I'm not going to knock their efforts personally because it does take a lot to get in front of a camera and present what is in effect a TV show with a potential viewing audience of 200,000. It's obvious that the presenters are trying to make the effort, and for the best part are suceeding in getting their news across. It just needs to be done in a way that's less formal and stressful. I mean, I watched about the first five minutes of the first Episode (that was all the free credits I had left after watching the full hellmar interview) and seeing spiral talking like Trevor MacDonald made me lose interest almost instantly. Bare in mid we're talking about a guy who during the alliance tournament constantly seemed half cut and used the phrase "nubcake" profusely. I also think that a drop of the formal set and a less formal script, along with getting the presenters back on a couch would ease a lot of the tension that seems to be built up once the camera starts rolling. Oh and I know I'm going to get flamed to hell and back, but you're all wrong. FortunaFive is pretty, don't get me wrong. But StevieSG wins hands down for me. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:15:00 - [171] Originally by: StevieSG ... Take care guys, try not to get too emotional StevieSG These are the Eve Forums full of ranting, tinhattery and emotional outbursts. Also a fair share of perverts and mental deficcients. Bring back Bouffe! SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
XLR Eight	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:07:00 - [172] Edited by: XLR Eight on 25/06/2007 23:16:30 I managed to watch the whole show by clicking on the link in my mail box, the quality was good, but I didn't like the production good enough to subscribe if it remains the way it is. You should have more news about the wars, to mention what happened last week, probably "live" (fraps) video footage from the larger events. The news should be more up to date. I mean there was a titan kill last week and you didnt even mentioned it. The CCP interview with the dev was an important one, to convince the community, calm us down. It should have been more meaningful if he talks not to the table but watching straight into the camera, behaving like he talking to us. It's a small trick but powerful one. Same applyes to the reporters, they should talk to us instead of reading a piece of paper. Place a monitor on the top of the camera and it will make a difference. watch some professional news channel to see what i mean. If you want more peeps to pay for your show, you must be more pro. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work I know it's hard. You need some practice and some minor improvent, gather more knowledge from the show businiss and you'll be great. Keep it up guys and gals, Looking forward the next show. Also, an idea for for a reporter. Lots of people are ****ed of the drone regions. There are known bugs for almost 8 months now but they aren't fixed yet. Only the asteroids, last week. revelation 2 brought us many new features and thanks to those these regions are going down to the sink even more than before. I suggest one of you come, join to a corp in the drone region for a week or so, and you will understand what are these couple of thousand player's concerns. With your experience you should have a very interesting interview with one of the dev.
Garrd	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:50:00 - [173] Edited by: Garrd on 25/06/2007 23:50:36 I'm a total newcomer to eve but felt that Eve Tv was such an interesting idea that I'd give it a watch. First MMO ( at least what I know of) to attmpet this kind of thing . Unless the horror of a WoW Tv is about to be released upon the world. Sorry to say I just didn't think it was all too great. Reasons included : Stiffness and forced feeling of much of the show. The fan meet segment was the best section. Not great but much more intesting than the previous interview (yawn!). Production quality was not what I expected. Good but not worth the hype. It peaked at excellent and ploughed down to dismal for me. Eve Radio works better with the game. I got more out of eve radio this week than the free trial of eve tv. Id love a radio station in game with more ingame events and news tied into it. The radio format certainly suits the game better. I listen I play. I guess treaming radio would be cheaper too ? Couldnt CCP make a segement to go on Eve radio and fund eve radio more ? This maybe harsh but... paid / volunteers didnt seem on the whole knowledgeable, despite I being able to identify the "old hands" and not really know "names" so to speak. I can see the need to ship presenters in but they should have been playing the game previously at least to a great degree (6+ months). Its ironic me saying this as I am into weeks but the game has such depth that five minutes and a sdcript doesnt cut it. This is a problem beyond eve TV though other computer TV shows suffer from this. The question why would I want to watch about a game? I'd rather PLAY it and explore details. If I wanted to watch TV its downstairs. I'd rather see news and events get moved into the game either via an improved browser or readable content or radio (as above). Hanging in a browser outside the game is rather odd. Pay ?!?! Mad! ( I must be a skint student) Maybe I'm being cynical above but hey its how I feel. Edit : I'll end on a hapyp note and say I'm really enjoying eve online itself at the moment though
Tryptic Photon Gallente Asgard Protectorate	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:15:00 - [174] Thanks for the 4 minutes of viewing. Based on that sample, my review: - content was reasonably interesting, execution was poor. Hiring a real TV producer will help you with energy level, pacing. - format was tepid rehash of news program, consider a more creative approach to Eve-themed sets, lighting, vibe. I'd rather see the show take place on the bridge of a Megathron. - When covering an in-game event, just showing random clips tends to disorient. When I think of coverage of a real battle event or sports match, there is a more logical camera & edit squence that convey a progression of events, or a start/middle/ending kind of thing giving the viewers a condensed audiovisual summary of the event. Look at this as an opportunity to show off eve at it's finest. - Pay for game marketing content? I think not, or at least not until the production values go beyond the garage stage. Best of luck with it.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.26 19:47:00 - [175] Originally by: Tryptic Photon Thanks for the 4 minutes of viewing. Based on that sample, my review: Why not watch the whole thing? Sign up, check your mail, click the link, bam you've got 200 points. The whole episode can be watched. warp drive active \| nature vraie

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:16:00 - [176] Edited by: EVETV Xyliana on 26/06/2007 21:16:12 Originally by: Tryptic Photon Hiring a real TV producer will help you with energy level, pacing. Will write notes on this one. Shall we fire all the players helping out who are learning tv production as well? EVE TV Website

Epong Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:56:00 - [177] For the next reportage: Can you explain while there's so many lag in fleet battle?
Maliber Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:21:00 - [178] pfff reading this topic makes me sad. When did this active comunity become a bunch of grumpy old men... The inability to create constructive critisism is quite shocking and leads me to question of valitity of most arguments. The biggest problem ppl seem to have is that you might have to pay in the future. For now its free.. but most ppl dont even take the effort to check there mail and get the extra credits. If you cannot put in such a small effort? How can anyone take your ramblings serious... And as a side note where in the world is there bandwith to stream high quality video for free? Because if you know a place let me know. Personaly i think there is room for improvement in the show. But its something new to add a tv show and magazine to a gaming community. And thats why we like eve right because its different. The price you might have to pay in the future is equivalent to sizing up you coffee at startbucks... or adding peperoni to you pizza. You want a profesional show but for free... if you feel that the subject is so simple that you can formulate the solution in one rude sentence then it might be a good idea that you try to tackle the problem yourself, because you are surely missing something. In real live a awnser with the tone and content of rtfm isnt a vallid in any situation. Especialy if you do not care to read or look at the problem yourself. I hope that eve-tv will get the opportunity to produce a tv show that will be a good addition to this community.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:53:00 - [179] I already posted my feelings on what's happened with regards to Eve-TV before the show was aired... Linkage It's a nice gesture from MMM, and could turn out to be awesome, but there's still a lot of work to be done. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:09:00 - [180] Originally by: Verone I already posted my feelings on what's happened with regards to Eve-TV before the show was aired... Linkage It's a nice gesture from MMM, and could turn out to be awesome, but there's still a lot of work to be done. I don't think anyone would disagree with you. So I'm genuinely curious, have any of your pre-show feelings changed after watching the show changed? I mean, other than the delivery mechanism -- I think everyone agrees that the Jalipo thing is a bad idea. What did you think of the content itself? Just curious. I already voiced my own opinion of it elsewhere in the thread. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Elissen Amarr The Arrow Project	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:07:00 - [181] Last weekend when I tried to watch the show it kept buffering on me. I tried it again tonight and I could watch the entire show at 1000k without it ever having to stop to rebuffer . Still, a wmv-stream still has my preference over a flash-based player. Especially since if your running it fullscreen that putting the focus on a different window causes the window to shrink again (I'm using two monitors) ---- Weeks of programming can save you hours of planning. Jumpplanner v2.0 - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:05:00 - [182] Originally by: Winterblink So I'm genuinely curious, have any of your pre-show feelings changed after watching the show changed? I mean, other than the delivery mechanism -- I think everyone agrees that the Jalipo thing is a bad idea. What did you think of the content itself? Just curious. I already voiced my own opinion of it elsewhere in the thread. Well, like I said before the show was aired, it's a nice gesture but unless it's something very special, then I think it's not going to attract an audience large enough to justify it's continued production. The whole thing is too formal, too uptight and too scripted. It needs to be dropped back on the Eve-TV sofa and cut loose from being a completely professional outfit. There was a lot of hype around it's launch, the producers really put on a huge show about the first episode and made it very public including advertisement on client startup that no one could miss. I think that the fact it was so heavily advertised months in advance, and then subsequently the news was broken that it would be pay per view left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. Then of course people picked the attitude that if they were going to have to pay for it, it better be damn good. Then there was the launch. The first Episode, now that I've had a chance to watch it in it's whole form could have been presented better, but there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already, looking at papers, having the expression of a rabbit cought in the headlights, voices like a CNN newsreader, that sort of thing. There were the usual sound hiccups with varied volume, but that can be expected I guess and will get ironed out as time wears on. As well as that the tension on set when the cameras are rolling will start to ease as the cast will get themselves into a routine and a comfortable frame of mind to work. With regards to content, I think that the MC piece was well presented and nicely edited, even if they did completely miss FRICK out of the picture. The Eve-Meet report could have been better as Fortuna seemed pretty nervous and outside the bounds of her knowledge of Eve at times, but that's really just down to her level of playtime, and the benefit will come from learning the game and who's behind it. I'm sure that it'll come together in time. The Hellmar interview covered a few good points, but still missed some of the core questions that the playerbase have been asking since the "big drama bomb", including a look into the processes put in place and the guidelines followed once someone is found to be doing the dirty in game. Also, while it was of some relevance, I think that the interview could have been more focused on the actual issues at hand, rather than how a structured hierarchy and a system of law and order works once a community reaches a certain size, still it was interesting to hear CCP's thoughts on "Crowd Control", so no real complaints there other than my feeling that Spiral didn't really push the questions hard enough. Overall? I think that it was reasonable, but could have been a lot better. The set was excellent and well put together, however it was un-needed. Two black sheets, an Eve Poster and a table and sofa do the trick. Don't fix what isn't broken. I also think that the way the show is presented is too formal. Fair enough if you're looking to have a serious news bulletin in the center of the show, or at the start, great. After a while the BBC newsreader voice overs make people lose interest when it goes on for the majority of the airtime. Personally, I think that the way the set is laid out has a lot to do with this, and the on camera tension. As for a score out of 10? 15/10 for advertisement 10/10 for effort 8/10 for editing 6/10 for sound 6/10 for casting 5/10 for content 3/10 for presentation I think there's a lot that can be improved on, and a lot that needs to be before people are convinced to part with their RL ISK. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.28 15:04:00 - [183] Originally by: Verone snip of some really good stuff I think there's a lot that can be improved on, and a lot that needs to be before people are convinced to part with their RL ISK. Excellent writeup, Verone. Regarding Hilmar's interview, have you had a chance to watch the full version? I haven't yet, but I'm wondering if that one goes more in depth (in the manner you speak of) than the one in the EVE TV episode. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:41:00 - [184] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Verone snip of some really good stuff I think there's a lot that can be improved on, and a lot that needs to be before people are convinced to part with their RL ISK. Excellent writeup, Verone. Regarding Hilmar's interview, have you had a chance to watch the full version? I haven't yet, but I'm wondering if that one goes more in depth (in the manner you speak of) than the one in the EVE TV episode. Yeah, I saw the full one... it wasn't terrible, but it could have been more in depth imo. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<

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