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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.25 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: FortunaFive
Let me just state this again I am a VOLUNTEER, I did not train as a presenter either but then neither did Spiral when he first started. Also please feel free to step into my shoes, I believe that there is a volunteering thread on this forum. This job is not easy and many other presenters train at broadcasting schools and the like to get professional and they still stumble. No I am not over sensitive, I am rightly upset because I volunteered my time in good faith to do something I enjoy and something that I thought was good.
Then as a customer, I have to ask, why are you involved in this project? What are you gaining from this, because as a busy post-grad I assume you have a lot to do and little time. Are you hoping to add to your CV, because I assume that your degree is in media of some form or another.
I'm not asking to critisize more to understand the whole project of eve-tv a little better.
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Dulsung
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Posted - 2007.06.25 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: eatingyak
Originally by: Dulsung
While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. learn EVE.
I thought she did it pretty well. What sort of professional interviewing techniques would you like to see when it's just gamers in the middle a pub?
Perhaps follow up questions that tied into the game or what it's like for players of a MMO to meet each other, especially a game as harsh and combative as EVE. Questions about the differences between how a player acts in real live compared to the type of pirate or carebear they play in EVE Online. If they act different in either place and if those actions are influenced by their game life. Less "umm..."-ing.
Sure she did great for asking generic questions of people at a pub, but I think EVE TV could have prepared some better questions for her than other than "So.. umm.. what do you.. ah, do?"
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DJSemajal
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 08:44:00 -
[153]
Originally by: eatingyak
Originally by: Dulsung
While FortunaFive might be attractive, she's not an interviewer. That was the most unprofessional interviewing I've seen. learn EVE.
I thought she did it pretty well. What sort of professional interviewing techniques would you like to see when it's just gamers in the middle a pub?
She did do well, she is learning the interviewing technique. I did a docu film making course recently and looking at the interviews we did when we were all learning, they were pretty pants. Later on though when we were more relaxed and used to things it improved.
She is learning EVE btw :) but im sure you should know its not an instant thing :D
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Syril Mert
Dawn of a new Empire Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 08:52:00 -
[154]
I paid bloody Jalipo during the alliance tournament that didn't work and when I'm trying to use my credits now they don't recognise my email :(
Don't pay them anything people. JALIPO ARE SCAMMERS
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.25 11:31:00 -
[155]
Overall. Quite good. I have paid a lot more to watch a lot worse. Streaming was an issue but I was at most lagged for barely 10 seconds so it was all right.
Presenters definitely need an autocue. It was disconcerting to see them reading notes - it looked amatuerish.
For a first episisode it had highs and low but interested me enought to watch it again. The high was the MC blurb. The low was the audio on the Hellmar interview.
Next week; well I want to hear what Farjung has to say; which means I will prolly watch again.
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:12:00 -
[156]
I like it actually, was kind of amateurish but that is to be expected.
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Deanine
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:38:00 -
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Something else very important imo.
In the interview with Hellmar, hellmar had the word very long, and Spiral was allot "uhuh" "uhuh... uhuh". Ofcourse we want to hear what Hellmar has to say but the role of Spiral here is also to have a straight line in the interview, to make sure that it sticks to the thing.
What you see in interviews is that interviewers ask obvious questions, they do that to help the viewer understand the interview more. Interrupting is no big deal!
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torswin
Caldari Capital Productions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 13:52:00 -
[158]
I watched it, and it was a good show. Being a non-native speaker it was hard for me to get everything you said. To be honest, all the ingame news was just a babbering of words and some pewpew. :( ---
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StevieSG
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: StevieSG on 25/06/2007 14:04:40 An interlude from StevieSG..
Okay so this is what I have so far...keeping in mind that regardless of most of you not reading each others posts, we will read all of yours.
You don't want a profesional Looking show. But you do. But you don't if you have to pay for it.. (falls into Void)Think I should stay clear of that one..
You want pretty presenters, but not "Pretty Faces"- But pretty Hair judging by my feedback (Hehehe.. Worsel Gumage am I). Sorry guys, not gunna happen. I will not sell out my hair to TV.
huge public outcry insues?
And I get the feeling bashing at some of the Volunteer female presenters is not going to help the ones you enjoy watching to want to do more for the channel. When has that ever worked? we do talk to each other.. we're women
Take care guys, try not to get too emotional
StevieSG
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation.
MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi
http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
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Erim Solfara
Amarr House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:20:00 -
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We want pretty faces, but there has to be a fully functional capacitous brain behind there, which has to contain a fair amount of specific knowledge about the workings of, and the gameplay of Eve, I understand you're going to struggle because you're all new players.
But what we really want is a free show, with people who really know what they're talking about, we certainly don't mind a few pretty faces along the way, yours for one, but that's an aside to the content of the shows.
Intelligent, relevant, not-neccessarily-scripted discussion about the game first, then, perhaps a few more pretty faces for the unwashed masses to worship.
A new tool in the fight for balance? |
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StevieSG
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:22:00 -
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Understood
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation.
MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi
http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
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Brolly
Caldari Templars of Space Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:25:00 -
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I thought it was ok for the first show. It would be pretty good if you could buy a cheap monitor for the poor buggers so they can read off that instead of bits of paper.
Chat with hellmar was cool, he's a very intresting guy and it would be great to hear a lot more from him regarding his views on mmorpg's, the future of eve and many other things .
/me wants a 5 mins with hellmar every episode <3
The guys just need to become more confident, which will come in time, and for under ú1 it's VERY tempting to pay out every week.
News snippets are nice, granted we here about it when we log in but it's so much fun
Early days yet, really intrested in what eve TV will become.
Looking forward to the next show, wooow!
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Disco Flint on 25/06/2007 14:40:49 edit: Woopsy, hit reply button instead of back button. My bad.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 25/06/2007 15:26:03 Edited by: Threv Echandari on 25/06/2007 15:21:19
Originally by: StevieSG Edited by: StevieSG on 25/06/2007 14:04:40 An interlude from StevieSG..
Snippage
You don't want a profesional Looking show. But you do. But you don't if you have to pay for it.. (falls into Void)Think I should stay clear of that one..
Snippage about Pretty Faces...
Take care guys, try not to get too emotional
StevieSG
Way to go handling the "Pretty Comments" Some guys just have no idea how pompous that sound when hey say they want intelligent presenters (who also look great, know all about the game and work for free...) I can see your frustration I have been reading others posts and I can sense that "Schizoid" mentality there, you just can't please all people But your pleasing alot so you've got that going for you.
The biggest thing (I think), is the pricing and format.. pay per view/ metered viewing has got to go. Many folks will pay 2.00 to to watch the show. But not another $2.00 (pounds whatever) to rewind it and watch it again. Many would like a Downloadable format that I can watch on my portable media player but its not a deal breaker. Being able to watch it over and over at the website while only having to pay once (per episode) will lessen alot of the criticsm being leveled.
Note you could still charge extra for the more in-depth interviews on your current model, just as long as as you don't skimp on the main interview in the Show. Just a thought.... Threv
That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
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implanted
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Erim Solfara Edited by: Erim Solfara on 24/06/2007 22:23:51 Actually I didn't choose to ignore it, I heard what you said, and of course I'm willing to accept that she may be much more in real life, however, what I did do, was defend what I said originally on the evidence I had at the time.
In context what I said implied no more than 'she's a nice face for the show, but not a very competant presenter'.
You thought I was being much more personal than that, as I probably would be, because you know who she is, and you felt the need to defend her.
We'll leave it at that shall we?
Oh, implanted there's no point telling us which one you were...we can't go back and watch it to see.
you can see us all here some with names so u can see who we was....enjoy... http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/implanted/?start=all
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 17:09:00 -
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First of all can I say that the software that allows you to view Eve Tv and the system of credits is very well done. There are costs to doing this, but you guys have set it at a fair price, and I'll be paying to see it ... :) Well done. Plus the viewr ... Flash I think... is really smooth, 'seamless' and clear. A very nice thing.
As a word of advice can i suggest having the crew using some sort of newsreaders when they are onscreen? i.e. recording them with the type of camera in news rooms, (with a teleprompter inbuilt under the lense) so they can look directly at the camera and read the notes without looking down at the table and disengaging the audience.
Other than that, I thought the content was great, and some very nice footage to go with it. Especially the quotes and topics.
lastly I thought it was very very quiet in the studio. It seemed as if they were in the middle of this vast empty space, and that made me feel a bit awkward, especially thinking about the crew. lol - perhaps put in some eve music in the background on a low volume, just to give the place some ambiance and comfort. Thats an important thing to enable the crew to relax on camera and also to make it look, sound and feel nice to watch.
All in all, a very very nice job. And its something I'm very happy to pay and watch.
/Adaris
Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Kornel
Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:46:00 -
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This is NOT pro level, which are we suggested to pay.
1. Sound levels (use compressor and not deaf guy on level control) 2. Papers (autocue or hints on paper and free speak) 3. 4 piccles in one jar (4 people arm to arm) 4. Camera plans (talking to edge of the screen, cutting arms, ... composition problem) 5. Lighting ( expecialy when 4 people - look right one, sharp multiple shadows) 6. Long discussions (you should brake them to parts. No more 1 minute in one piece, 30 sec better) 7. Editing (at least few sound artifacts, transfocating AND focusing in pub) 8. Double titles.(just shame) Permanent titles. 9. No graphical/jingle brakes between parts. 10. Very small and shalow studio set. 11. Sound quality itself. (use pole big microphones)
Probably I will find many more "interesting" things, if will watch this JUST SECOND time.
Despite huge amount of technical errors (PRO?) - MC was almost good, walking in beer pub normal...almost :) , all other - burn it. To the oven. Long, boring, static, gray..
I did not know what person give "green" to show this, but you MUST fire him. Hire normal director, who will not allow to reach this "PRO" to public again. Empire High Sec research service! |
Nate D
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:17:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil I have a few thoughts regarding this:
- Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience.
- Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants (); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it.
- Hire Ifni or jamesw if they're willing. Seriously, good examples of knowing their stuff while maintaining mix of professionalism and humor - if you could get your entire cast, or a least a good portion of it, to do it, you'd be more successful.
Props for trying if nothing else.
Exactly! A couch not a desk... normal not pretty... fun not serious... an equal balance of entertainment and facts. I think it comes down to the fact that this is a GAME! And this media should reflect that atmosphere!
Of course there are subjects that need to be more serious. Like accusations... Meh... I hope my comments help. Looking forward to "Episode II: The Return of Spiral"
<3 Spiral
-Nate
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Suzy Creamcheesz
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Posted - 2007.06.25 20:28:00 -
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well i just watched ep 1, and i enjoyed it but definitely not enough to ever pay for it.
you can count on me to watch a free version and bump up your numbers for advertisers, and i would not mind some ads here and there.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil I have a few thoughts regarding this:
- Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience.
- Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants (); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it.
I tend to agree with this. To be honest I'd like to see a couple of the major alliances adopt the presenters and teach them the politics and ins and outs of the game in the big boy's league. Only then will they get a true feeling for what's behind the game, and how much effort so many people put into their time in Eve-Online, and why some people are a bit peeved that people with little to no experience are presenting a show based on the game they've been playing for four years.
I'm not going to knock their efforts personally because it does take a lot to get in front of a camera and present what is in effect a TV show with a potential viewing audience of 200,000. It's obvious that the presenters are trying to make the effort, and for the best part are suceeding in getting their news across.
It just needs to be done in a way that's less formal and stressful. I mean, I watched about the first five minutes of the first Episode (that was all the free credits I had left after watching the full hellmar interview) and seeing spiral talking like Trevor MacDonald made me lose interest almost instantly. Bare in mid we're talking about a guy who during the alliance tournament constantly seemed half cut and used the phrase "nubcake" profusely.
I also think that a drop of the formal set and a less formal script, along with getting the presenters back on a couch would ease a lot of the tension that seems to be built up once the camera starts rolling.
Oh and I know I'm going to get flamed to hell and back, but you're all wrong. FortunaFive is pretty, don't get me wrong. But StevieSG wins hands down for me.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:15:00 -
[171]
Originally by: StevieSG ... Take care guys, try not to get too emotional StevieSG
These are the Eve Forums full of ranting, tinhattery and emotional outbursts. Also a fair share of perverts and mental deficcients. Bring back Bouffe!
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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XLR Eight
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: XLR Eight on 25/06/2007 23:16:30 I managed to watch the whole show by clicking on the link in my mail box, the quality was good, but I didn't like the production good enough to subscribe if it remains the way it is. You should have more news about the wars, to mention what happened last week, probably "live" (fraps) video footage from the larger events. The news should be more up to date. I mean there was a titan kill last week and you didnt even mentioned it. The CCP interview with the dev was an important one, to convince the community, calm us down. It should have been more meaningful if he talks not to the table but watching straight into the camera, behaving like he talking to us. It's a small trick but powerful one. Same applyes to the reporters, they should talk to us instead of reading a piece of paper. Place a monitor on the top of the camera and it will make a difference. watch some professional news channel to see what i mean. If you want more peeps to pay for your show, you must be more pro. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your work I know it's hard. You need some practice and some minor improvent, gather more knowledge from the show businiss and you'll be great. Keep it up guys and gals, Looking forward the next show.
Also, an idea for for a reporter. Lots of people are ****ed of the drone regions. There are known bugs for almost 8 months now but they aren't fixed yet. Only the asteroids, last week. revelation 2 brought us many new features and thanks to those these regions are going down to the sink even more than before. I suggest one of you come, join to a corp in the drone region for a week or so, and you will understand what are these couple of thousand player's concerns. With your experience you should have a very interesting interview with one of the dev.
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Garrd
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Garrd on 25/06/2007 23:50:36 I'm a total newcomer to eve but felt that Eve Tv was such an interesting idea that I'd give it a watch. First MMO ( at least what I know of) to attmpet this kind of thing . Unless the horror of a WoW Tv is about to be released upon the world.
Sorry to say I just didn't think it was all too great. Reasons included :
Stiffness and forced feeling of much of the show. The fan meet segment was the best section. Not great but much more intesting than the previous interview (yawn!).
Production quality was not what I expected. Good but not worth the hype. It peaked at excellent and ploughed down to dismal for me.
Eve Radio works better with the game. I got more out of eve radio this week than the free trial of eve tv. Id love a radio station in game with more ingame events and news tied into it. The radio format certainly suits the game better. I listen I play. I guess treaming radio would be cheaper too ? Couldnt CCP make a segement to go on Eve radio and fund eve radio more ?
This maybe harsh but... paid / volunteers didnt seem on the whole knowledgeable, despite I being able to identify the "old hands" and not really know "names" so to speak. I can see the need to ship presenters in but they should have been playing the game previously at least to a great degree (6+ months). Its ironic me saying this as I am into weeks but the game has such depth that five minutes and a sdcript doesnt cut it. This is a problem beyond eve TV though other computer TV shows suffer from this.
The question why would I want to watch about a game? I'd rather PLAY it and explore details. If I wanted to watch TV its downstairs. I'd rather see news and events get moved into the game either via an improved browser or readable content or radio (as above). Hanging in a browser outside the game is rather odd.
Pay ?!?! Mad! ( I must be a skint student)
Maybe I'm being cynical above but hey its how I feel.
Edit : I'll end on a hapyp note and say I'm really enjoying eve online itself at the moment though
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Tryptic Photon
Gallente Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:15:00 -
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Thanks for the 4 minutes of viewing. Based on that sample, my review:
- content was reasonably interesting, execution was poor. Hiring a real TV producer will help you with energy level, pacing.
- format was tepid rehash of news program, consider a more creative approach to Eve-themed sets, lighting, vibe. I'd rather see the show take place on the bridge of a Megathron.
- When covering an in-game event, just showing random clips tends to disorient. When I think of coverage of a real battle event or sports match, there is a more logical camera & edit squence that convey a progression of events, or a start/middle/ending kind of thing giving the viewers a condensed audiovisual summary of the event. Look at this as an opportunity to show off eve at it's finest.
- Pay for game marketing content? I think not, or at least not until the production values go beyond the garage stage.
Best of luck with it.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.26 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tryptic Photon Thanks for the 4 minutes of viewing. Based on that sample, my review:
Why not watch the whole thing? Sign up, check your mail, click the link, bam you've got 200 points. The whole episode can be watched.
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: EVETV Xyliana on 26/06/2007 21:16:12
Originally by: Tryptic Photon Hiring a real TV producer will help you with energy level, pacing.
Will write notes on this one. Shall we fire all the players helping out who are learning tv production as well?
EVE TV Website
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Epong
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 09:56:00 -
[177]
For the next reportage: Can you explain while there's so many lag in fleet battle?
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Maliber
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:21:00 -
[178]
pfff reading this topic makes me sad. When did this active comunity become a bunch of grumpy old men... The inability to create constructive critisism is quite shocking and leads me to question of valitity of most arguments.
The biggest problem ppl seem to have is that you might have to pay in the future. For now its free.. but most ppl dont even take the effort to check there mail and get the extra credits. If you cannot put in such a small effort? How can anyone take your ramblings serious... And as a side note where in the world is there bandwith to stream high quality video for free? Because if you know a place let me know.
Personaly i think there is room for improvement in the show. But its something new to add a tv show and magazine to a gaming community. And thats why we like eve right because its different. The price you might have to pay in the future is equivalent to sizing up you coffee at startbucks... or adding peperoni to you pizza. You want a profesional show but for free...
if you feel that the subject is so simple that you can formulate the solution in one rude sentence then it might be a good idea that you try to tackle the problem yourself, because you are surely missing something. In real live a awnser with the tone and content of rtfm isnt a vallid in any situation. Especialy if you do not care to read or look at the problem yourself.
I hope that eve-tv will get the opportunity to produce a tv show that will be a good addition to this community.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:53:00 -
[179]
I already posted my feelings on what's happened with regards to Eve-TV before the show was aired... Linkage
It's a nice gesture from MMM, and could turn out to be awesome, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:09:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Verone
I already posted my feelings on what's happened with regards to Eve-TV before the show was aired... Linkage
It's a nice gesture from MMM, and could turn out to be awesome, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
So I'm genuinely curious, have any of your pre-show feelings changed after watching the show changed? I mean, other than the delivery mechanism -- I think everyone agrees that the Jalipo thing is a bad idea. What did you think of the content itself?
Just curious. I already voiced my own opinion of it elsewhere in the thread.
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