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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:47:00 -
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I liked the show. Not bad at all for the first episode.
A few comments:
1) I think it was a little too formal at times. I did love the early eve TV a great deal when there were just bunch of guys on a couch talking smack  . That of course would not work for a weekly show, but EVE TV should have a little bit more informal atmosphere, or have a freak show with Stavros as a part of every episode...
2) Kasumi, don't be so shy. Look at the camera a little Good performance though.
3) Payment. I am not sure if EVE TV is something I will pay for. It is tempting, but not being a rich person I have to manage my finances. For the price of one show I could rent a movie from Netflix and expand my cultural horizons rather than watch a show about a video game. There is a slight conflict there.
However, as I said, it is tempting to pay for. A lot will depend on how EVE TV turns out to be in the long run.
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Great job on the first show, guys. Really enjoyed it.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:57:00 -
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The MC thing is good, but tbh I think they get too much focus on EVETV.
We need profiles from a lot of Northern alliance, since no one seems to pay attention to them. I always seem to say this every time EVEVTV coems around, but the North (and coalition as a whole) needs more representation on EVETV. You don't even need them in studio. Just get a vent interview with someone and ask for a war update or something. We need perspectives from both sides here.
Also, the news is weird. Why are you talking about Frege alliance wars, when the biggest war in EVE history is going on? There's plenty of news to go with, whether it be the battles going on in Tenal or the fights down south between RAGoons and BoB. This is the news people are interested in. Which leads me to my next point.
Being recorded means that massive events like the downing of the Titan and the massive POS takedown in SE- aren't covered until over a week after it happened. That is not up to date, and there are a million other ways of finding this stuff out without paying any money.
Overall I was very disappointed with the show. It seemed wooden and too production based. As countless people have said, lower the scale of this and make it community based and about the vets and people that love EVE with their heart and soul. We just need to throw dodgly looking blokes into a crappy studio, but cheap furniture there and a coffee table and let them talk about EVE, without any scripts. If your just going to pander to the newer players, then this is pointless.
Seriously, you need to look at Verone's post and take it as gospel for improvements.
EVETV weekly lacks a point and seems to be there for the sake of EVETV, rather than being about something, and making that the centre focus.
I already said this in another thread, but I wanted to post it in the official one.
I want this to work, but It isn't at the moment, and I think you will have very poor viewing figures when it comes to pay time unless you drastically alter your views on many aspects of the show.
Good points : The stream was pretty reliable and better quality than I thought. That's about it, sorry.
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:10:00 -
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thanks for the feedback from alot of you. This was the point of the pilot to make EVE TV something for everyone
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Nate D
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:38:00 -
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Well... it was the first show but I was really hoping for a bit more EXCITEMENT! While I love EVE TV during the tourney, I felt like this show was very dull and I could actually feel the reading of the scripts... I think if the presenters were interested in what they were reading it would have made for a much more interesting program.
I'd really like to see less of a news program and more of a TV show... with more entertainment value. More like this -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6000711862856038339&q=eve+tv&total=874&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
<3 Spiral
I look forward to seeing how the player suggestions in this thread are used in the next show.
-Nate
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:52:00 -
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I have a few thoughts regarding this:
- Let's compare the casts of the alliance tournament coverage versus this version shall we? Lots of fresh, pretty faces (save Spiral  , <3) that don't have a lot of experience playing the game, versus normal looking people that know their stuff and can provide deeper knowledge. Honestly, I'm a bit turned off by this, thinking it cheapens the viewing experience.
- Serious. Really, its too serious - SHC had a good discussion on the fact that the couch provided more of a relaxed air versus a serious aura surrounding the desk. Let's take a step back and look at what this is, alright? This should be a news program for the players by the players, not CNN Primetime on the one hand, or weekly showings of Stavros with Minerdave in his pants ( ); loosen up, and let some character show rather than surpressing it.
- Hire Ifni or jamesw if they're willing. Seriously, good examples of knowing their stuff while maintaining mix of professionalism and humor - if you could get your entire cast, or a least a good portion of it, to do it, you'd be more successful.
Props for trying if nothing else.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:31:00 -
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should do more of a attack of the show thing where almost nothing is form a script
and you have ugly gaming people
ok ok AOTS people aren't UGLY but they're not very pretty :P
just people feeling free to say whatever they feel like saying
because they're are there to talk about a game they love.
That said a live interactive Experince like AOTS would be wonderful
don't know why you got offended about big breasted ladies or something on the live dev blog when someone asked about this.
I think what they meant were live polls and live questions along with live interviews and the such.
peace
good luck with this all.
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Saladin
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:38:00 -
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From the other thread:
 Originally by: Saladin
Edited by: Saladin on 23/06/2007 19:22:11
I have to echo what was said about the scripted setting. Too much looking at the paper and not enough eye contact. Spiral in particular had all the animation of a dead fish as he robotically read off the paper in his hand. I have no doubt that if he watched himself he would agree there is room for improvement there. The tele-prompter sounds like a good idea, but I don't know what (if any) technical hurdles come with that.
It would be nice to have a market segment on the news, perhaps with comments/interviews with EvE market moguls or those embarking on great new ventures. With the one FT article released on EvE's economy, I think EvETV would do well to build upon that potential. I know a lot of market forum regulars would love an interview with Dan Speed, so that would be a good place to start.
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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.23 22:58:00 -
[98]
I've watched the show, read the thread and here's what I think.
1./ Downloadable Episodes, ok while not great business sense wise but would go a long way to actually considering what your fanbase on the whole would purchase.
2./ A less formal style would make things flow a little more, as mentioned before it's ok in the context of a news segment, but for the rest of the show, a bit less formality would go a long way.
3./ I would suggest you decide on news content the day before you go to recording, or even the same day, Eve is a fast paced world with daily eve shattering events (that's if you belive everything you read in CAOD  )
4./ Presentation, in all aspects could use some work. From looking down, to audio levels to making sure your hairs been brushed. Tv will always highlight the worst in people's looks you need to be highly critical of your appearance as presenters.
My overall impression, I quite liked it!
I hope to see the team relax a little more on set as this project progresses.
Now as to paying for episodes, that's another matter. This service may well become somthing worth paying for, it certainly has potential, but I am prevented from paying even if I could by the lack of credit card, a problem quite a few will face probably. I am able to watch further shows because I have a domain thus as many email addreses as I need 
So congrats on the launch, but I'm not gonna eat my Raven just yet 
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Sam Bakr
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:00:00 -
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Ok I've read the first page, then skipped though the second page after Fortuna's little critique on the critique other people were given, and stopped reading after winterblinks first post, but here's my experience:
1000k stream I only saw the buffering bit a couple of times, but that's probably due to the stupid amount of data that's downloading on my PC while I was watching it.
50 credits left - not enough to watch the next show :(
The show was good, sound levels going all over was not good, but I turned my sound up a little and it did not matter too much after that.
Presenters "sleeping" - or reading from a printed script, not good, but with this being a first show I'm going to ignore this as an initial nerves problem..
The lighting on the news section - spiralJunkie and StevieSG - was not very flattering for either presenter, or my monitor settings are wrong, but it looked like StevieSG was in 2D, and not a real person, where as spiralJunkie looked like, well a junkie with really bad bags under his eyes...
More information on the New Player Experiment would be nice, as I would like to know how the tutorial took Kasumi a week to do, as with this character I did it an about 4 hours.. Actually scratch that I'm talking to a new player now, and my god it's a hard slog explaining things via the chat windows.
The section on the London Meet Up was good, but I've got this feeling that putting a beutiful young lady like Fortuna in a room full of geeks / eve fans might have been a bad idea - or is that just where I live where young women in pubs are never far from someone thinking "Hellooo Nurse"??
Please note, that I've never done anything like this, and the above was just my opinions and can be taken or left as you see fit. But please get some teleprompters or big TV's for the presenters to read the news / infomation from as it will look a little more professional.
Oh and i've been playing the game from day 1 almost, but I like to have a challenge every so often :D
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Sam Bakr
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:09:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kain Bodom
Edited by: Kain Bodom on 23/06/2007 20:34:40
again i cant stress enough how stupid this is!!
credits to watch an online tv show..??
Last time i had to use credits to watch something
it was a peep show. cheaper and more entertaining.
dump the credits idea it is down right idiotic. Get
some ads on the front of the show or something like
real webcasts do. Dont ask the viewer to pay that is
really really dumb...
Have you looked at Sanctuary at all - it's a TV show that is only available online and you pay approx ś2 per episode... It's a professional show that stars Amanda Tapping (SG-1) and a few of the other stargate team. You can download the episodes in HD or normal quality, each episode is approx 15 mins long, but it is very interesting and they are trying to prove a point - that companies do not need to sell their shows to TV stations, they can sell direct to the audience. Pay credits to watch TV - sure, in the UK we have Sky, Cable, and TopUpTV - where you pay to watch shows.... moving to a web based distribution system is the next thing in TV show broadcasting, hell historians will have 18 October 2004 as the death of TV, thanks to Sky One's broadcast of Battlestar Gallactica - look up a video called "Piracy Is Good" or "The future of bit torrent".
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:57:00 -
[101]
Better than expected, I shall pay for the next show or two before passing final judgement.
However a few points to note,
The 505 story was great and interesting, as was the MC one (although we all know MC already ;))
The Hilmar interview was cool, but rambling and going around in circles, you needed to prep more questions in advance about more than just the recent alligations after he had answered them.
Fortuna Five is OMGHOT!!! But tbh didn't really seem to know that much about the game (yet at least) and although she is (very) pleasing on the eye perhaps a reporter with more experence wouldn't have hurt.
Having a "repeat Fortuna Fives" part button might be nice as well.
I chose the 500k stream I have a 10 meg connection and it was smooth and never needed buffering, and left me free credit for the hilmar interview, having that seperate from the rest of the show was disappointing.
The "new player experence" thing I really don't understand, taking a week to go though the tutorial? Getting help from more experenced players, generally seperating the person from what the real experence is  what is the feature meant to achive?
Oh and more pvp and game footage and news would be good, just a day or so ago a Bob titan went boom, pretty major story but no mention?
Personally I would rather a WMV file I could download which would be DRM infected so I could watch it back at my pleasure on my machine, but not share with others.
I hope the above is taken in the spirit it is intended and I look forward to the future next couple of shows.
/me waves at fortuna five.
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Sokhar
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.24 00:24:00 -
[102]
twas crap
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Tykari
Gallente
Imperium Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:04:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Tykari on 24/06/2007 02:03:04
Not a bad first episode, but definitly room for a few improvements here and there, most of which have already been said. Now to go with what people said about the interviews and talks being a bit obstructed by the setting of the table. Now I don't know what exactly is available in space and such, but I do have a suggestion to that.
Many people have been saying they liked it better when it were sofa's and a coffeetable. So why not do a bit of both? The news section can stay in the current form with the desk, while some of the interviews can be done in a "sofa setting", to get back the more casual feeling to it and at the same time keep the seriousness for other aspects of the show. You have the ability to play with the set a little now so don't hesitate to use it.
I'm sure that EvE TV will turn out to be great once the few rough edges have been dealt with.
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Kvarium Ki
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:05:00 -
[104]
That was a good show, I liked it.
I specialy liked the part where you discuss current events in eve.
Just one suggestion, I think you should try and get some Q-cards(sp?) so that you look more towards the camera when you are talking.
I'm sure your show will only improve as you gain experience and I wish you guys good luck.
KK.
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SkeletonDenial
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:38:00 -
[105]
Gave up during the CCP CEO interview due to the constant buferring issues, and 1 buffer error, otherwise, I prolly woulda watched the whole thing.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:45:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Threv Echandari on 24/06/2007 02:46:10
Hmmm now that people mention it the Table is a Bit Severe for the whole Show, but ditching it all together is not good as I like that "BBC News" type look. Why not have a mix? The Today show (a Morning News/infotainment program in the US) is a good example of this where "Hard News" is delivered behind a Desk complete with the Requisite monitor in the BackGround Or Chroma-Key insert.Run Captions across the Bottom with the most interesting tidbits off COAD (Like Titan Goes Down in Etc Etc) Do the interview, "Touchy Feely" Fun, bits on sofa (do it on the Sofa heheh ) and stuffed chair type set you know with like bottles of Quafe everywhere.. This gives you more options to when cutting between stories.
Threv
That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
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yaizon
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:50:00 -
[107]
tranquility is down, I dont mind.
pay to watch evetv, I don't mind.
evetv website refuses to load for the past hour, aww wtf.
guess ill have to catch it another time.
ps. you can hire me to come and be an engineer :)
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:05:00 -
[108]
Props and stuff. Maybe it ain't so bad to let people drink a -little- before/during the show.
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Broska
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:11:00 -
[109]
Good points:
Quite enjoyable format.
MC Special was pritty damn good.
The 505 Segment was interesting. Really like the little "statements" that were read out. Could be realy cool in the future. War Dec's through EVE TV anyone?
Hellmar Interview - decent stuff.
No Delivary system problems for me. Improved alot since the last time it was used.
Bad Points:
Presenters looking down at the cardboard script FAR too much. Felt like they were just reading rather than presenting (Auto-cue next time?)
A little too serious in some parts, that could probably have been done off the cusp without a script.
I would actualy pay to see more of EVE TV though if it wasn't for one thing.
The delivery system itself. I object to having to pay to see the episode again after already seeing it once.
And the biggest issue is the Hellmar Intereview. I burned pritty much the rest of my credits watching the whole interview which still contained the bit's that were shown on the program.
A downloadable option would be alot better. As EVE TV Doesn't have to be live there's no REAL need to stream it. I wouldn't mind paying for an episode on an episode by episode basis.
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flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Blood Moon Masques
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:08:00 -
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I had the pleasure of checking out Eve TV's first show.
Many people will complain and moan, but me... I AM SUPER EXCITED! Why?
There's untold potential to be tapped into here ladies and gents. Yes, there's bugs. Yes, there's buffering... but you know what... for a first show I was grinning ear to ear.
I especially liked the 3D station intro bit. That was very cool.
To have Hellmar come in and do a bit of talking, that was very sweet indeed. It wasn't the content or what was talked about, but the very ability to take a step back from the game and look towards the backend was awesome.
I am thoroughly looking forward to Episode Two as there is nowhere to go but UP!
Request: Would text transcripts of the shows be available? I hereby volunteer my fingers to this task :)
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.24 06:00:00 -
[111]
Thought I'd attempt to answer a few of the points made, if I didn't answer it, I probably thought you were right!
Autocue - no idea why there wasn't but it still takes a whole lot of practice to pull off reading something and looking natural.
You also need someone to operate it.
All new presenters are nervous, spiraljunkie was when he started, it's fine saying train people but there's a cost there - roughly 3-500 pound per person per day depending on the course and the umming and ahhing may have to stay in if you run short of studio time.
Which is the same reason why, if you include script and running order changes why it simply isn't a case of "learning a few lines".
Events will overtake television news - because there wasn't any fraps and television is a visual medium there wasn't likely to be any news of the downed Titan.
As for future news alot of it depends on when the program is recorded, so if you're going to kill Titans in future try and do it Tuesday evening and make sure to ask for someone to Fraps it :p
Weekly shows do not do immediate news well.
A program attempting to establish itself and somewhat reliant on CCP is hardly going to go all Newsnight/60 minutes on Helmar. A confrontational approach to an interview rarely produces anything worthy of note.
As had been pointed out, some of the rambling could have been euthanised.
I suspect the London meet edit was more a time thing than anything else, it takes a substantial amount of the stuff to edit anything down, even moreso if you then have to stitch it together with the rest of the program.
You need to use rl currency because the people making the program are not CCP.
We will not be focusing on the giant WAR all the time.
For the news in particular to get better we need people from alliances, corps and individuals to be available - there's the thread in CAOD - HERE for noting down whom is media cleared in an entity but you'd be surprised how difficult it is to get a hold of someone at any given time.
Maybe we need to add a fixer per corp who is never offline so they can grab someone for us :p
The humour has to be more scripted, 30 minutes or however long the program is goes by extremely quickly and has to be very disciplined. As opposed to live shows, there is not time to fill, only stuff that needs to be lost.
Pre-recorded shows do lack some degree of spontaneity and audience expectation needs to reflect this.
On the other hand, personalities will shine and there will be more banter once the presenters get to know one another, their styles and limits.
We may see more news over player meetings and interviews and that sort of thing in the future.
Given where evetv is produced, going to have to get used to the British accent :p
There is no comparison to be made between evetv in its original form and now the formats are that different.
As far as I'm aware NPE will be a separate show to evetv :)
Overall it's a pilot and has positives and negatives, people won't be sat around resting on their laurels following this and all feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Eric Eclipse
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Posted - 2007.06.24 06:04:00 -
[112]
I dont think you should need to pay for credits, I didnt even get to watch the whole first episode after a few minutes i found out how the credits worked. Its just a TV Show i dont want to pay for it.
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Blood Moon Masques
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Posted - 2007.06.24 06:11:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Eric Eclipse
I dont think you should need to pay for credits, I didnt even get to watch the whole first episode after a few minutes i found out how the credits worked. Its just a TV Show i dont want to pay for it.
Ahh, but isn't reality the sad truth? I would love it to be free too but unfortunately I don't think that's possible Eric.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:06:00 -
[114]
Quote:
We will not be focusing on the giant WAR all the time.
Fair enough, but there was no mention of it all. And since this was the first broadcast of EVETV since the war broke out, there should have been a lot of time dedicated to updating on major events since it started, and recent updates. Stuff like NPE, videos and interviews should be secondary, since EVETV is a great medium to update the community on the biggest thing in EVE history.
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Dizang
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:56:00 -
[115]
Im a bit confused, Why would I want to pay money to watch people talk about a game they ( and this is from reading the postĘs ) they know nothing or at least very little about and then I find some of them havenĘt even played it. When I can get all the information they are giving here on the forums. Or in game.
I havenĘt watched the show and I know I should to make my own judgments and I see its free ( ill wait for the others to come on to You Tube ) but out of the player base I think I read that only what 20% of its players come to the forums so how many out of that 20% watch this.
I have seen the some of the old Eve TV and three blokes on a sofa chatting about a game is more appealing to me than attempts at eye candy and a professional looking TV show I just donĘt see the point in, and 11Mill ? Surely that could of gone into something worth while.
But then no one is making me watch it so good luck and if the reports swing to a more positive stance I might tune in.
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eldaro
Gallente
East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:07:00 -
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Finally managed to watch it (only worked fully on the lowest quality setting, will have to find out why) and liked most of it. The MC bit was the best and hopefully the next one will be better, but i won't be signing up. Is there any info on how many people actually watched/signed up? BTW i loved the graphics for the intro bit and the back drop, El
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: lordopic on 24/06/2007 09:12:30
Ok signed up got about 2 mins in them my credits ran out but by that time I was in so much pain I didnĘt bother to get more, Im sorry I thought you had professional presenters, I have seen better work done by media students.
Please if this is going to have any chance of getting more than ten people tuning in hire some one who can do the job your paying them to do.
Oh and i agree the craphics at the start and the In game footage was about all that was good and I thought this was ment to be News, only news i saw was weeks old.
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Deanine
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:01:00 -
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Regarding Stevie looking down to the papers:
Looking to the papers isnt rly a big deal. You see professional news presenters doing it allot also on TV, but the way you do it makes a deal.
Move your head a bit down, in stead of having your head pointed at the camera and pushing your eyes down. Cuz that last thing gives a bit of cheating look "OMG i need to look they cant see"
Nice show, very nice initiative, doesnt have to be perfect it will get close to such point in time. Just too bad of the credits, it doesnt help making EVE TV something for "everyone" just for the ppl with moeny
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Ambo
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:24:00 -
[119]
Have to say I was pretty impressed. Watched it on 1000k and had no problems with the streaming whatsoever.
As has been said already, the variations in sound level where annoying but no other major problems.
The MC report in particular was both well done and interesting to watch.
Considering it's only 76p for a show, I'll certainly be watching again in the future.
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:55:00 -
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I thought it was somewhat anti-climatic. I was expecting a lot more from it. Whilst you had lots of varied articles, I personally felt they where hollow and lacking in substance. The Alliance profile on MC was more like a propeganda peice (which I'm not in any way suggesting it was), than a documentary and the interviewing of Hellmar avoided any kind of difficult questioning of the allegations of misconduct and developer/corporate bias towards BoB. That peice alone should of been Hillmar's chance to put an end to these relentless rumours once and for all so that we can all move on.
From a technical standpoint, I was also disapointed. My free credits ran out during the first few minutes of the episode, meaning I then had a mad dash to purchse more. The website also was unclear on how the credits for viewing worked so I, along with many others I know, failed to pre-purchase them. There was also far too much buffering with the show stopping every few minutes due to it.
What I did like was the way it was polished. Whilst the presenters all looked (understandably) nervous, I'm sure they'll find their feet as we progress through the shows. The varied nature of the articles was also good. It's just as a shame as I've said, that they where so shallow. I realise you have limited time but prehaps in future you could flesh out your articles by reducing the number of them in the show. It would also be nice to see more articles on upcoming and planned development features. Reading about Tech 3 or Walking in Stations or Planetary Interaction in Eon is all well and good but it is nice to actually see these visually presented on the secreen. Not all of us can make it to Fanfest remember
On the whole, I think the show has potential. The presenters just need to relax a little more, be themselves and the articles need fleshing out to become more interesting and should take a politically neutral stance on their presentation. If this is done, I think this will become a very interesting feature of the world of Eve Online
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