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Tal Ribek
Caldari
Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:09:00 -
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I pay enough in subscriptions as it is, you should have kept it free but with advertising, come to think of it you'll probably have advertising in anyway lol.
Thanks but no thanks.
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Herra B
Beyond Divinity Inc
Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:51:00 -
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I pay peanuts for subscription as it is so Im gona pay for subscription, thank you for keeping out advertising, hopefully you'll keep it that way.
Thank you very much.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 23/06/2007 13:57:51
You ******* tightarse - it's US$1.50 a show!
I'm uncertain as to whether I will contune a subscription. I'm going to chuck on enough credits to watch the next few, but I'd like to see the quality level increase a wee bit.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:53:00 -
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yeah the show IS advertising for CCG and EVE so why should i pay for that?
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n0thing
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 23/06/2007 13:57:51
You ******* tightarse - it's US$1.50 a show!
I'm uncertain as to whether I will contune a subscription. I'm going to chuck on enough credits to watch the next few, but I'd like to see the quality level increase a wee bit.
Tbh, you cant call people like that, you have no idea why the OP doesnt/cant afford it.
However, from my point of view, the standart broadcasts are fine with the credit thing, whoever wants to, will watch it. But imo the tourney`s and imporant stuff should be let for subbers to watch for free.
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Lester Dean
Gallente
Vanguard Frontiers
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:18:00 -
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I agree with the idea that tourneys and important stuff should be free to watch like they were broadcasted last time.
I myself can hardly afford 2 accounts and even a few bucks for eve-tv is just...gotta draw the line somewhere im sorry lol. Ill try the 200 free credits but def dont want any more subs on my card.
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Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:52:00 -
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why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
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CyanAngel
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:12:00 -
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Although it is only a cheap service, I must echo the opinions expressed here. Im a student, on little to no income, paying for my eve account is enough, having to pay "extra" for the "honor" of listening to and watching SJ waffle on is not worth it IMO. Its like being charged a fee for the verious radio stations based arround EVE, probably earn more money off advertising. |
Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:19:00 -
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its around ú40 a year if its on every week... i think :) that on top of the ú100 or so a yea for the account x that by 2 accounts for some people + eve voice, thats like ú250 a year... for a computer game at the end of the day :/
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Recoyote
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:19:00 -
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There is no way I am going to pay to watch internet TV. I'm too cheap to pay for more then basic cable. NO HBO, NO Sports, NO EVE TV, I will not pay extra for it!
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Recoyote
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Eden
why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
I'm the only one in 100 miles that plays EVE.
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Buzz Killer
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Buzz Killer on 24/06/2007 03:18:11
It took about 1 min to figure out that I had to pay to watch eveTV, it took less then a second to think ôNO!ö
There is no way im paying to watch what is basically a commercial for a game that Im all ready paying for.
Just like eve chat or talk or what ever it is called , all the current MMOs out there offer that for free, not to mention TS or RW or what ever flavor of VOIP program you prefer
I just feel that CCP is trying to nickel and dime me for every cent they can suck outa my wallet
If CCP cant cough up a few bucks for some streaming of a program , id say scrap the whole thing and put the effort into new servers and less lag (the whole reason im posting now since the server is down)
eveTV, ill pass, no thanks
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BandSaw
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: BandSaw on 24/06/2007 03:16:26
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Straylight Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:33:00 -
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Bandwidth costing what it does these days, charging anything is mad. We pay for the subscription- perhaps charge for unregistered players but allow subscribers free access? I mean seriously- CCP have a serious network. I have 12 terabytes of bandwidth knocking around and that's just some spare from the main stuff working on the servers with the bandwidth. At 500k/s for a 10 minute episode that's what, 36 megabytes? If I can get an extra terabyte of bandwidth (In the same location as CCP's servers, I might point out) for ú5.. CCP are raking in the cash from this. Think 100% profit.
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Inspir
Gallente
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:43:00 -
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I havnt looked at the subscription process. But i wonder if its a matter of login/pw without giving away personal RL dtails (credit card etc).
If so, then perhaps an ISK trade thing much like char selling will develop out of it.
x isk gets y credits on the buy/sell forums.
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EadTaes
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:21:00 -
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Weren't the first 2 shows supposed to be free so that people could see what it is. For some reason i could only watch 5 minutes before it asked me to buy credits. And the five menuts i saw won't make me a member.
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Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:56:00 -
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check you email, you get 20 credits when you join up and an extra 180 credits when you click the link in your email to approve the account or what have you, then you have 200 credits :)
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Man on 24/06/2007 11:14:06
Originally by: Evil Eden
why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
Yeah a group of people club together and scratch up the money for a 78pence show and then hit the pub.
Thats one wild night right there.
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sc*****is a censored word.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
Bandwidth costing what it does these days, charging anything is mad. We pay for the subscription- perhaps charge for unregistered players but allow subscribers free access? I mean seriously- CCP have a serious network. I have 12 terabytes of bandwidth knocking around and that's just some spare from the main stuff working on the servers with the bandwidth. At 500k/s for a 10 minute episode that's what, 36 megabytes? If I can get an extra terabyte of bandwidth (In the same location as CCP's servers, I might point out) for ú5.. CCP are raking in the cash from this. Think 100% profit.
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
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Buzz Killer
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:57:00 -
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Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Buzz Killer
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
11 million pounds of cardboard.
And see, I can make that jab at them, and refrain from all the other jabs i -could- be making at certain cast members.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Buzz Killer
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
Well you have the bandwidth, i presume you have the cardboard, whats stopping u?
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Mirana Niranne
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.24 15:06:00 -
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They didn't build a studio for 11m, they're renting it. Also spiralJunky, Xyliana, and StevieSG (sure on the first 2, relatively sure on the last one) are all getting paid to do this.
CCP is not invloved in production or costs with the show, the show is done by MMM publishing which is the company that puts out EON Mag.
So no, they are not charging to cover bandwidth costs. They are charging because salaries need to be paid, a studio needs to be rented, and someone somewhere is hoping to cash in some profit on this at some point.
If you're going to make broad sweeping statements and judgments based on facts, at least take the time to get your fking facts straight.
Honestly, I will be surprised if they can cover all these costs on subscription numbers alone. How many people are going to pay for this every week all year and generate the $100 they'd be spending on it? 500? Eh, I think there will be a spike in the beginning because it's new, people will start dropping off after the first few episodes, and then numbers will start to pick up again at a steady pace. The question will be how patient MMM is going to be with this and how agggressively they're going to promote it. With it's current model, I don't see how they're going to turn a profit on this without ad support.
I also think it was a really bad idea to boast about getting their hands on an 11m studio. That one statement has drawn so much flak, both misdirected and otherwise, it's not even funny. You could say that the studio was in someone's garage, and it would be beleivable.
I would suggest taking some time during a future show to give us a tour of this 11m pound studio so we can all see how amazing it is. When all people see is a set that could be put up anywhere, it's hard to understand the value of the facility.
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Verlane Succorso
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:12:00 -
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The first episode should have been free at least. This way we could make a decision on whether it's worth setting up a subscription account. I don't know about anyone else but I'm rather leery of handing credit info out for unknown content.
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LancashireUK
Caldari
Legacy State
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:17:00 -
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Can't believe you have to pay to watch. At the end of the day it's advertising for EvE so why should I pay for that, IMO?
Glad I didn't register, and will not bother to do so.
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Eomar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK
Edited by: LancashireUK on 24/06/2007 17:16:58
Can't believe you have to pay to watch. At the end of the day it's advertising for EvE so why should I pay for that, IMO?
For the same reason youd pay for EON mag, or for merch or pay a sub/donation etc to any of the fan sites.
Its not 'just' advertising for eve, its a topical news show, with various stories and features about events, people, alliances, corps etc in game.
As has been already been pointed out, this is not a CCP run thing, so your subs are not going towards it.
Noone is making you pay for this, its not essential to the game, nor is it game breaking if you dont watch it.
I personally can see great potential, and have done since the first eve tv broadcast. Im fairly sure MMM can see great potential in it too, which is why theyve invested so much into it.
Please, EVERYONE remember that this whole thing is not being run as some vast profiteering racket, determined to screw every penny out of us, the people at the heart of this are very passionate about the game, and have put vast amounts of time and effort into giving something to the community. This doesn't come free, the overheads from setting up and running this are vast, I'm sure of it, and your money is not only paying to get this going, but to KEEP it going, and to allow it to develop into something even more special.
The alliance tournaments cost is going to be pretty high, getting people out there, set up and streaming the show is not going to be cheap, so more money coming from the weekly shows is going to mean more money susidising the big event, as I understood it the ultimate aim is to have the alliance tourney free to all.
In my opinion a few dollars/euros/blaarts a month is a small price to pay for what has the potential to be a fantastic show with a lot of good stuff, and more importantly another medium for the PLAYERS to interact with this massive universe weve got. The MC article for example is a fantastic demonstration of what YOU to can do.
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FiberEagle
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Posted - 2007.06.25 11:01:00 -
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Surely EveTV will fail as EveVoice did, it's as simple as that.
The reasen here for is also simple ; some geek wil find a way to capture this and put it on whatever p2p or on youtube.
Even tho i like EveTv and liek to support them, this mentioned above is unavoidable imho :(
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Hab0k
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:00:00 -
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Idea...
If it has not already been covered...
why not make it like actual TV how you have channels that are free for any tv like the one w/ news and the one w/ all those soaps that seem to never end.
then you have your REAL TV that requires a mothly 10doller subscript...
and then their would be Pay Per View for tourny footage! which requires credits...
because befor i would watch eve-tv but now i log onto it and it says i have 20 credits (possible the extra 180) but i dont have this kinda money u know...
-Hab0k
p.s. I <3 shoot ppl
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vatasha'yar
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Posted - 2007.06.25 13:33:00 -
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no way im paying to watch that. from what little i saw i liked. now if feels like im being nickeled and dimed to death charge for this charge for that. no thanks.
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The GrimWristler
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Posted - 2007.06.25 16:39:00 -
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When going onto the website, it feels very welcoming and i had to register to open the video files!
When i had realised that Jalipo credit was running low when watching the video blog, i realised it wasnt free.
This is very disheartening that myself included are paying for a subscription to play eve and yet i must fork out more money to watch a 2min movie of what is upcoming in the world of eve.
This system of marketing and advertising isnt going to gain any more interest for more subscribers that are interested in the game. Infact i think you will lose alot of interest of other gamers as all they can see is "spend spend spend."
I like the whole idea of video blogs and tourniments etc, after all this will encourage alot of gamers into playing the game and getting involved, but not when u must pay to watch!
Eve is becoming a very small game with its members increasing each month. 0.0 space is now highly populated and is hard to find empty sys's. I think personally, making the game significantly larger by widening eve out into deeper space is more of an issue atm than advertising to gain new gamers.
(after all, u must keep the subscribers happy especially as playing eve for long periods of time isnt easy using the skill base interface)
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.25 17:06:00 -
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You know, I don't like the payment, but that I have to pay one video at a time?!? That's just insane.
I have often been frustrated with EVE, but I have never HATED you before.
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 17:12:00 -
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its 1 Euro per 30 minute show... you most likely waste more money than that per day losing coins behind your couch.!
Come on for God's Sake... 1 Euro!!!
(1 Euro = (more or less) 1 Dollar 30)
Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Janey Woo
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:46:00 -
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Seriously, people who see this as advertising for EVE have a misconception about what advertising is. You advertise to get people to buy your product, advertising to people who have already bought your product (like most people that will watch EVE TV) is a bit pointless.
I liked the show, don't mind the charges and I'm sure production values will go up if enough of us keep watching it. If you don't want to pay...don't.
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roq deelim
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:38:00 -
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pay for inet tv? for a game i'm allready paying? (don't forget eve belongs to the "more" expensive game subscriptions than other mmorpg)
NO WAY!
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fathitman
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.25 20:15:00 -
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It seems as if anything to do with EVE that is extra is more money to shell out. I think not, NO for me.
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hisgoatness
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.25 20:37:00 -
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so my local news channel is free, yet I need to pay to watch news of a virtual world? LOL ya right.
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Jimmyhatt
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Posted - 2007.06.25 20:46:00 -
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It should be included in the subsciption. Or someone should make a eve-show them selves. Why pay for eve-voice when u can use vent or ts2. Why pay for tv show when there are tons of people willing to to the same thing for free. If u want something for free u have to get the community to provide the service. CCP is a corporation and its sole aspect is egocentric. They are all about profit not the well being of the public. you have to love capitalism and the free market.
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Jaggeh
Furious Angels
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:53:00 -
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someone launch a PBS version on youtube.
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Adel Sorra
Gallente
Steel Beasts
Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 01:56:00 -
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I just cant belief what im reading..
People, it's free market, remember? how tells you you have to watch it?!
Are you all complaining about you can't afford a mercedes all day long? It's just what you do every day, you pay to get something!
Im no fan of die-hard-eve-like-capitalism, i even constribute to some open-source projects from time to time, but COMPLAINING SOMETHING AINT FREE is just too far away from reality
Want to change something? Start a video-blog or something. But i guess you're to busy right now..
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Adel Sorra
... but COMPLAINING SOMETHING AINT FREE is just too far away from reality...
Yah, but they've had months to tell us EVE TV would be a pay service and months to tell us it would be an incremental pay service. Hell, they've had months to set up a Google AdSense account so this whole discussion would be purely academic.
Do you know what it's like to wait months for EVE TV and then find out I have to sign up with some company I've never heard of and pay per viewing? What if I want to watch something a second time? I feel horribly betrayed and disappointed.
I would pay 20 Euros a year to subscribe. Hell, I'll commit here and now to that 40 Euros a year someone estimated earlier in this thread. I would be gripe-free if they just served up Google ads. (Actually, I would support them more if they served up Google ads.)
I will not pay one cent to any kind of incremental billing.
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T Nex
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Posted - 2007.06.26 08:02:00 -
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No for me!
Perhaps i could pay for a film in a cinema. At this could get so alot of subscriptions that tranquility server become very small to support all incoming new players. I think, its better idea, i think better than try to gain money througth eve-tv. And it wasnt the first game to jump to cinema, remember "Tomb Raider", "Alone in the dark", "Silent Hill", ... between others.
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Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:14:00 -
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eveTV is a funny idea... i'm not so interested in it tbh (i'd rather have lag free gameplay) but still.. if a friend came over to my place and was interested in eve then i may start telling him about the game and huge plus for eve would be if i could say "hey mate they even have a weekly TV show! wanna watch?" and then we could watch the nice advertisment for eve (eveTV) and then my mate might even want to start playing eve.
at the time if i wanted to try and gain a customer for eve then i would actually have to pay money to be allowed to show him ads for a product that costs money in it self... so WTF guys?
do you REALLY expect me to gain new paying customers for ccp AND pay for showing them your ads??
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Gralgathor
Caldari
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.26 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gralgathor on 26/06/2007 11:30:04
In this day and age with YouTube and Google Video, to ask for people to pay for TV-like entertainment that's intended to be viewed on a PC exclusively is a bit of an outdated concept. Sure the price isn't high, but why should I pay for something that has production values outclassed by many YouTube videos and so far hasn't shown its worth in any way?
A better idea would've been to offer the first few episodes for free, then if the demand is there start asking money. Create a demand before you chase potential customers away with that dollar sign.
Edit: and by "offer for free" I don't mean "sign up with a new company I don't know so don't trust and get 200 of these ridiculous viewing credits for free".
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.26 20:36:00 -
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I presume the 'Download DivX of this episode to hard disk' button appears if I pay?
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Confuzer
PBA Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:15:00 -
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I don't think it's going to be a success if they ask money for it...
You have a limited userbase of which most people (like me) are not going to pay for extra eve media. Why should I even want to watch this show? I would watch it if it was free, but I doubt everything would really interest me. So paying for it? No way. Throw some advertisement in it or something, and limit the people working on it.
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Fivetide
Amarr
Aur0ra
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:28:00 -
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Like any sane persons going to go to your house Edna without a first having all their jabs ???
Anyway .. yes change it to TV with adds it will make more money and will I'm sure go mainstream to cable/ sat etc..
or even spliced into a already existing games show.
syndicate it to low cost cable shows .. generate advertisement and interest reward with sponsors ! Simple TV marketing straight out of the book NOT ROCKET SCIENCE FFS ! :) love u all bye-bye
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phishstik
Gallente
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.27 16:31:00 -
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"Jalipo J:Credits" - WTF ??
paying credits per minute of online show - double WTF
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmyhatt
It should be included in the subsciption. Or someone should make a eve-show them selves. Why pay for eve-voice when u can use vent or ts2. Why pay for tv show when there are tons of people willing to to the same thing for free. If u want something for free u have to get the community to provide the service. CCP is a corporation and its sole aspect is egocentric. They are all about profit not the well being of the public. you have to love capitalism and the free market.
sorry mods but: ******! it IS made by the community >.< unless you want a show filmed in somebody's garden shed which a stream that can only support 10 people then i'm afraid there will be costs.
This ignorance angers me to no extent.
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William DeMeo
Gallente
Serial Killers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:58:00 -
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Tbh there is no way in hell I'll pay for EVETV. Big dissapointment for me that it isn't free, something I pressumed it would be. But if its not it's not I guess, anyway I really hope the PvP championships will be free to watch, if not I'll miss that too and that's the only thing that interests me in EVETV anyway.
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William DeMeo
Gallente
Serial Killers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:00:00 -
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Tbh there is no way in hell I'll pay for EVETV. Big dissapointment for me that it isn't free, something I pressumed it would be. But if its not it's not I guess, anyway I really hope the PvP championships will be free to watch, if not I'll miss that too and that's the only thing that interests me in EVETV anyway.
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n0thing
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D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:44:00 -
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What I really dont like about this, is the pay-per-show and pay per-time.
Thats abit off. Every time show is on, im charged, afaik each payment displays separately in your card bill afterwards. So having 5 page long bill is not a nice thing to see. Also, maybe thats just me, but Im feeling less ecure if my payment source will be charged multiplie amount of times per even maybe each week.
Why not year/month sub like EVE Voice? I know that EVE TV isnt connected to CCP, but maybe take a good example?
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Rutefly
Amarr
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:10:00 -
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"Its a free market" someone said. Lol yes in an utopian world. But thats beside the point and a whole other discussion.
Fact is poor poor CCP is almost broke giving so much, getting so little from us subscribers. This isnt a service, its a product. And the reason isnt because itll break ccp to just add it for free, but because they want to make even more money on us. Sure thats what making a business is all about, and i will never blame them for trying to make a dollar/euro/whatever icelandic currency is called.
just never think for a second its tastefull, a good thing for the community, we should be greatfull, we have no right to complain, we cant disagree. Actually if we fall in line and act like good sheep and never voice our opinion, ccp will make less profit in the long run. I say yell kick scream, CCP needs it to plan their business. Just dont xpect them to do it for anything but making a better profit.
Why do ppl always get crazy ideas about a loving corporate world just because theyre having a good time with a product, ill never know.
Let them profit. Let us see it for what it is and decide if we want to take part in it. Dont feel like you have to for decency. And do call anyone tightasses for choosing not to. Decency and good taste went out the window with the profit making.
Also get out and meet the sun now and then. Youre all getting a bit pale infront of that monitor. 
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fivetide
... yes change it to TV with adds it will make more money and will I'm sure go mainstream to cable/ sat etc...
It should not be the old ad model, where you have to watch an ad before or during the show. (If I have to watch a sponsor spot, there had better be hotties making out or jet fighters or something equally compelling.) The sat- and cable-nets are still using the old model, but that model and its users are slowly but steadily on the way out.
Ideally, EVE TV would use the Google ad model, where the ads are present on their web pages in a low-key, non-obnoxious and off-to-the-side way.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:13:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Helen Baque
It should not be the old ad model, where you have to watch an ad before or during the show. (If I have to watch a sponsor spot, there had better be hotties making out or jet fighters or something equally compelling.) The sat- and cable-nets are still using the old model, but that model and its users are slowly but steadily on the way out.
Ideally, EVE TV would use the Google ad model, where the ads are present on their web pages in a low-key, non-obnoxious and off-to-the-side way.
Personally if they went with advertising in EVE TV to offset the cost, I wouldn't mind how intrusive they are (short of product placement on the set itself). You can't have your cake and eat it too with this, I'm afraid.
Then again it would be totally priceless to see spiralJunkie have to awkwardly pitch something like feminine hygiene products. :D
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.29 01:05:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Winterblink
Personally if they went with advertising in EVE TV to offset the cost, I wouldn't mind how intrusive they are (short of product placement on the set itself). You can't have your cake and eat it too with this, I'm afraid.
I suppose that old-style ads would not be the worst outcome, but I have to respectfully disagree. Google's ads are famous, in part, because they are non-intrusive, and to say that Google has been financially successful is stating the case mildly. With the built-in traffic from the EVE playerbase, EVE TV would be making good money right away. I would at least like to see EVE TV try the Google ads, to see how the revenue falls out.
I should probably be more supportive, but it was a big shock to log in and see the pay-per-view system. If I'd been prepared up front, it would be a little less as if my Xmas present came out of the box broken.
Originally by: Winterblink
Then again it would be totally priceless to see spiralJunkie have to awkwardly pitch something like feminine hygiene products. :D
Okay, now I want to see the ads. 
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.06.29 01:19:00 -
[56]
I'm in no way involved with any of the finances here, but let me tell you something I've experienced about Google Ads. A certain EVE-related site of some fame and success has used Google ads for a long time to offset some of its running costs. Now, Google ads work using context of the place they're embedded. It says EVE on your site? They'll put EVE ads in your ad section. Sadly what happened there was that there was a huge influx of different ISK selling ads, which of course, nobody liked, and there was a massive outcry against it. There is a certain amount of manual tweaking one can do to block out ads you're not happy with, but on the whole, it's a long, uphill battle
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LadyShu
Federation of Synthetic Persons
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:16:00 -
[57]
i would pay.. but this **** service doesnt accept my creditcard (it is valid and works here fine...).
But in total i think eve.tv wont last long. To expensive and only interesting for the hardcore players |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.29 14:09:00 -
[58]
Originally by: LadyShu
i would pay.. but this **** service doesnt accept my creditcard (it is valid and works here fine...).
But in total i think eve.tv wont last long. To expensive and only interesting for the hardcore players
Personally I think there will be something for everyone, hardcore and new player alike. Given the fact most of the presenters are new players, that perspective alone should give a good reason for other new players to consider it.
Just a thought :)
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n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.29 14:46:00 -
[59]
Originally by: LadyShu
i would pay.. but this **** service doesnt accept my creditcard (it is valid and works here fine...).
But in total i think eve.tv wont last long. To expensive and only interesting for the hardcore players
Wrong, hardcore players who sit 23/7 on 20 diff channels get info about any alliance events faster then you get it in your own alliance
As for the will it last long or not. Well, imo any service needs to provide not only product but also support of said product and also make using that product and paying for it as easy as possible. EVE in that case is perfectly fine, lots of sub plans, options and etc. But only one option on EVE TV and even then its quite...not an easy one...
No offence to team meant ofc, you guys do great job, its marketing team of the project that needs to take deeper look at how stuff is done.
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Tom63
Gallente
Imperial Army
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Posted - 2007.06.29 15:55:00 -
[60]
i will not pay for EVE TV!!! firstly and hopefully someone will upload it to youtube so i can watch it for free and secondly i dont like the look of this Jubilo thing. It is not affilated with CCP and ive never heard of it. Also paying for minutes of video every time you watch it? youve got to be joking!!!!
I think CCP should produce EVE TV in house because im sure they could easily pay for it.
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The Host
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Posted - 2007.06.29 21:36:00 -
[61]
jubilo, jalipo - its all the same :) but they have some funky stuff http://www.jalipo.com/epg/
Im looking forward to tomorrow's episode.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.06.30 04:25:00 -
[62]
IMO the whole concept of a paid tv channel in the XXIst channel is just doomed to fail, regardless of how good it might be. As is probably EVE voice. It's just added cost for marginal content, which, in the end, dosen't add that much to eve.
Up the subs 1$ and make both voice and tv free (and any other community orientated service, like file sharing for exp) and you have my approval though.
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Imperial Crusader
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Posted - 2007.06.30 04:30:00 -
[63]
I think Eve TV is a good idea and has a lot of potential, but I'm not willing to pay for it. I already pay enough for the game as is, I don't need another bill, regardless of the size.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2007.06.30 09:01:00 -
[64]
Unfortunately, from what I saw, it's not even worth the $1 or any money... It really did feel like there was someone pointing a pulse laser at Spirals head and making him read....
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remo man
Prophetic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:18:00 -
[65]
Though in theory its a good idea to a point i will not be paying more for something i already pay enough for. This is due to having no real desire to watch it and a lack of appreciation for what is at the end of the day cosmetics.
I dont disagree with the fact that things need to be economically viable i just think that I would pay a hell of alot more for certain things to happen in game to change it to a more basic and simplistic fun , it seems it wont but hey dont cry me meee argentinaaa.
In essence all the bells and whistles dont help, look at the old school games for how enthralling and addictive the most simplistic things were and how EvE seems to be continuously moving away from this.
Dont get me wrong, i really appreciate what CCP have done and are trying to do but i just think they have gotten a little lost :/
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JimmyThePimp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:43:00 -
[66]
working from the perspective of a brit, im not sure if anyone sugested this yet, cant be arsed to sift through but:
people are calling this a news channel. you dont pay your news channel to watch it, you pay a tax to the state and THEY fund the news channel. we are paying our tax (subscription) to the state (CCP, you are the gvt of eve), so surely they should be funding this (since its run by an outside company, just like your regular news channels) from our taxes and giving it us as a free service.
frankly, i couldnt care less. i dont intend to watch, i didnt like what i saw with my free credits and im ****ed off i had to give my email to a shoddy fourth rate streaming company to find this out. just pointing out how this exact same situation is handled in the real world.
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Barlaka
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:10:00 -
[67]
Anyone remember how long the first EVE tourney was in hours? So for 3 or 4 days at $1.50 a show how much will will it cost to watch the next tourney? $10,$20 or $30? For the jalipo BETA that won't play in Firefox (IE sux Minatard balls).
(following bold italic text is mine)
From cinemablend.com
"With what appears to be a production budget less than "Saul of the Mole Men," the show promises to "focus on player-led news and events, as well as providing access to behind-the-scenes information on the game." The network gets its money directly from viewers as opposed to advertisers, so there's no commercials but you will need a credit card."
From http://www.eve-online.com/pressreleases/default.asp?pressReleaseID=33
Oliver Skelding, MMM Publishing's Managing Director said: "EVE TV is designed by the players, about the players, for the players." (And paid for by the players!)
Said Magnus Bergsson, CMO of CCP Games. "EVE Online is a universe run by its inhabitants and as such produces epic and diverse events that need to be reported in the same way they are in real life (Magnus in real life the advertisers pay). EVE TV is the ideal medium for such reporting as it offers independent and timely information to the players and CCP itself." (It's the ideal medium for you because The players pay, again and again.)
From the jalipo BETA site:
Jalipo BETA lets you exploit the potential of Internet distribution to the full
Jalipo BETA has re-invented video monetization, creating a powerful micro-currency that enables content to be easily purchased and consumed while maximising saleability and revenues on behalf of content owners.
1. Design and sell game with monthly fee....
2. Video tape players in your game .....
3. Charge per view fees for players to see other players pay and play...
4. Profit!!!
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TradeUnion first
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Posted - 2007.07.01 06:02:00 -
[68]
CCP, you are acting strangely as of late. Either make your game free to play and micro transactions for services OR monthly fee and free services.
Eve voice - paid.
Eve magazine - paid.
Eve TV - paid.
When shall we start to pay for visiting the forum or logging into the game??
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:44:00 -
[69]
Originally by: TradeUnion first
CCP, you are acting strangely as of late. Either make your game free to play and micro transactions for services OR monthly fee and free services.
Eve voice - paid.
Eve magazine - paid.
Eve TV - paid.
When shall we start to pay for visiting the forum or logging into the game??
While I don't agree with the current setup of EVETV, you seem to be confusing the game itself and optional secondary products.
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Gudrun Hart
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Posted - 2007.07.01 09:58:00 -
[70]
For example: why are the old EvE Magazins not available for download (pdf)?
I wont watch EvE TV with the current price politics - one option could be - if your have a full running EvE Account, you get some points per month you can use to watch EvE TV.
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StevesHell
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:55:00 -
[71]
IÆve read all the posts here and it seams that half of you havenÆt read the EVE TV posts.
They are going to advertise.
Why would I pay another subscription on top of the one I already pay to watch a show with advertising?
It should be free to members as all it is, is a big add for EVE
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The Provisioner
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Posted - 2007.07.01 11:30:00 -
[72]
Edited by: The Provisioner on 01/07/2007 11:30:06
Originally by: Barlaka
For the jalipo BETA that won't play in Firefox (IE sux Minatard balls
I use firefox and it works fine. I was prompted for the Flash player plugin first, then the player worked.
Originally by: Gudrun Hart
For example: why are the old EvE Magazins not available for download (pdf)?
How you walked into WHSmith and asked why last months X Monthly magazine isnt available for download? Didnt realise this was standard practice amongst publishers (!)
Originally by: StevesHell
It should be free to members as all it is, is a big add for EVE
It's all well and good saying someone should give their product, time and effort for free, but the reality is that it costs to produce. Its nothing to do with CCP, so where are you suggesting they find the money to make it?
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Gabriel Magnar
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:47:00 -
[73]
Yeah not paying either, it should be free for subscribers. End of discussion...
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 13:55:00 -
[74]
CCP != EVE TV, remember that people.
Oh and it's an OPTIONAL extra, if you don't want it... you don't have to buy it *shock*
And you don't have to tell us you don't want to buy it *bigger shock*.
I personally, pay. It's less than 15mins wages... basically it's payed for when I'm taking my break in Costa.
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theteck
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Posted - 2007.07.01 15:20:00 -
[75]
we pay per month and its not enough ...
i see other compagny that want to mutch money ... you know whats? ,its closed today
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Aeleva
Caldari
Hegemonic Core
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Posted - 2007.07.01 15:30:00 -
[76]
Other companies that want "more" money tend to up their fees. The cost of EVE tv is related to the cost of bandwidth and streaming. So far ive been enjoying it, mainly interested to see how things go though. So far episode 2 has been pretty good, although jalipo refuses to play past part of the CCG con. It just freezes and dies on me, despite telling me i have credits.
Oh and i *think* the alliance tourny will be free to view, not sure though.
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.07.01 16:24:00 -
[77]
Originally by: The Provisioner
How you walked into WHSmith and asked why last months X Monthly magazine isnt available for download? Didnt realise this was standard practice amongst publishers (!)
Standard practice? You mean doing things the way most people do them? WoW is the game with the most players... that must be the standard.
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.07.01 16:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Barlaka
From the jalipo BETA site:
Jalipo BETA has re-invented video monetization, creating a powerful micro-currency that enables content to be easily purchased and consumed while maximising saleability and revenues on behalf of content owners.
I think we've found part of the problem here. This seemed like such a parody of the way a business might advertise itself, I had to look it up. It's real.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:03:00 -
[79]
I for one don't trust Jalipo (check their site).
I think they did the last tourney (partly?) too, honestly sucked lots, every day we needed more bandwidth, someone had to 'find' new pipes etc. I know they have upgraded a lot of hardware, but I'm getting mixed info on the quality now, and most of it isn't all that good.
I will not pay for EvE TV as it is now, no way.
Advertising is all around us, I wouldn't mind it in evetv. In most countries now many of the broadcasting companies have a way to watch programmes you've missed on the web, for free, with just a bit of commecrial before the episode begins, this would have been nice for evetv.
Love the evetv idea, hate the evetv as it's implemented now.
I was looking forward to the alliance tourney, now I just know we'll get some crappy 500 peeps max low grade public/free server and you'll have to pay premium for... well.. some other crappy 'it will handle 5000 connections... really' decent/middle grade server.
I'll wait for the dvd/torrents thnx.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:20:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 01/07/2007 18:21:54
Originally by: Jailpo
JalipoÖ combines the latest advances in video streaming and web 2.0 technologies with a range of innovations in rights management, syndication and media monetisation, to turn the Internet into a secure, open market for media distribution.
Ok, these guys need to an hero themselves right about now.
Along with anyone who would associate with this marketroid lunacy.
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DarkMagnetar
Minmatar
POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 05:30:00 -
[81]
Eve-Voice
* Bad marketing : Pay for listening and speaking. Result : you will never reach a critical mass of users.
* Good marketing : Listening to a channel is free, you pay for speaking
Eve-TV
* Bad marketing : People expect a free service, but it turns out they have to pay, even though the product (Jalipo) is in beta-phase. For that price I can watch a recent feature movie via pay-tv. The choice is easy.
* Good marketing : CCP has a contract with MMM so that every customer gets 2 hours of free viewing per month, per account. MMM also gives 2 hours free viewing per month to every EON magazine subscriber. You want more viewing time, you buy it.
As it is now, I give Eve-TV zero chances of surviving in the long run.
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sweetheart
Black Reign
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 06:19:00 -
[82]
Edited by: sweetheart on 02/07/2007 06:20:30
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 23/06/2007 13:57:51
You ******* tightarse - it's US$1.50 a show!
I'm uncertain as to whether I will contune a subscription. I'm going to chuck on enough credits to watch the next few, but I'd like to see the quality level increase a wee bit.
But its the bull*hit of getting out the credit card for 1 1/2 bux or whatever , when it shud be free to the playing community anyway ..
Someone came up with the idea of the subscribers being able to watch free ,
You are starting to charge us to , read , talk and now watch .. Ontop of the gaming ..
Count me out of paying anything else
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To Win is Everything
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:26:00 -
[83]
And what's really funny:
The one's who are complaingin either
A:) Have multiple accounts ('ello dumbarse, you're already paying more!)
B:) Subscribe to the EVE Magazine (insert above remark here)
C:) Have both A and B (you know the drill)
D:) Just want to complain about something.
Aye so I'm paying for it. But the grand thing is, I don't have to watch every episode if I don't wish to. It isn't mandatory. Much like how I only have one account, with one character on it, nor do I read the Magazine. Heck it's not that bad if you think about it. What....4.50 to 6.00 US a month? That's less then going out to eat for afternoon tea once.
So who the heck cares if you're going to pay or not? EVE-TV is doing fine without your gripe. The players are glad for the chance to be on the net interviewed, or giving out some chats. I bet most of you would shut your complaining traps if EVE-TV asked you for an interview, or for some information for a broadcast. You'd be all smiles and giddy. (or on the **** as well)
I bet you'd pay to see yourself then eh? Is that it? You're not involved so you don't want to pay?  Hypocrites. Get off the bandwagon, it's crossing a river of whine and sinking fast.
Go EVE-TV. Free or not, it's working, and it's cheap as chips still. They are trying to empahsise that EVE and an online 'community' can be more then just a bunch of dysfunctional forum trolls and the clash of the egos. |
DarkMagnetar
Minmatar
POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:11:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Dau Imperius
So who the heck cares if you're going to pay or not? EVE-TV is doing fine without your gripe.
MMM cares : no income, no Eve-TV.
Eve-TV would not be the first good product failing because of bad marketing.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:01:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Dau Imperius
crap
Read thread before posting.
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n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Dau Imperius
And what's really funny:
The one's who are complaingin either
A:) Have multiple accounts ('ello dumbarse, you're already paying more!)
B:) Subscribe to the EVE Magazine (insert above remark here)
C:) Have both A and B (you know the drill)
D:) Just want to complain about something.
E:) Beta-phase software used for shows, even when it will be in final version it need to be tested for a while.
F:) Exactly, subbers and EON subbers should get it as bonus, same as guy above proposed.
G:) No matter how you put it, even if a penguin would run EVE TV(lol, no offence), its still an ad for the EVE as a product.
H:) If thats an ad, about the product we already pay for, moreover the ad that will be shown more then once, then why we have to actually pay for the ads?
Really, if EVE TV would be:
- Ad-free.
- Multplie payment options.
- At least 3 other playing/watching formats supported.
- Bonuses for EON subbers and EVE subbers. The latter ones have lesser bonus then first ones.
- All tourneys are completly free to view no matter how long they run.
Then, it can be successfull.
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Helen Baque
Gallente
Legendary Dark Knights
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:16:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Dau Imperius
The one's who are complaingin either...
B:) Subscribe to the EVE Magazine (insert above remark here)
What I really hate about E-ON magazine is how I get charged again when I read an article a second time. Oh, wait, that's not what happens!
I give MMM 70 bucks and they ship the magazine to me for a year. Then I have a gorgeous product I can look at any time I feel like it.
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Madame Valerie
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Posted - 2007.07.03 10:56:00 -
[88]
I would pay to watch, but as long as SPIEral Junky is still HOST, no way.
I dont want to support people like him.
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Tyranne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:06:00 -
[89]
I can see why they'd need to charge something to get this going. It looks like it's not just some veteran EVE players in front of a webcam, but a good looking show. However, these "credits" is one gripe I have, and the fact that you pay by the minute is another.
The "pay by minute" deal is very dumb in my opinion, and is the main thing that turned me off to this. It basically means that I have to pay every time I want to watch it, and I have to pay extremely close attention the first time I watch it, lest I miss something and have to pay if I want to go back and catch it.
An episodic payment system (where you basically buy access rights to each individual episode through your account) would have been much more welcoming and better for the consumer. However, I find the minute-payment system insulting, regardless of the fact that an episode is approximately $1.30.
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:40:00 -
[90]
when you first sign up you get 200 credits free... see FAQ
EVE TV Website
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zombu2
Caldari
Nubs.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:47:00 -
[91]
well here are my 2 cents
i was looking at the eve tv site (i looked long)
i clicked on a video (asked me for the quali)
then it asked me for credits and to login and or to sign up and provide credit card (thats when i had the vision that i m better off without eve tv )
whoever runs this misguided website should take it and burn it with the server it is on
i m quiet mad that junk like this is let loose on eve players for a fee
you don t need 11m for a studio (ever heared of a blue or green wall)
every 299$ dv cam can do that and it looks more then half decent
for the bandwidth there are so many providers that have unlimited bandwidth and space usage
if you can t find anybody i d be happy to host the vid files on my webspace for nothing
thats my 2 cents (sorry for bad english )
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Crassus Silverwolf
Caldari
The Knighthawks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:56:00 -
[92]
Great job so far to all of you at EVE TV......
It is intresting to watch and I am sure as time goes on it will become slicker, as far as I concerned worth the few ú's you pay to watch. If you are such a 'dinosaur hands' that you will not pay then butt out. You pay more for a beer for heavens sake!!!!!
It is no different than subscribing to EON and as such it is for those of us who enjoy everything EVE and want more information on what is happening now and in the future.
Pay up or shut up..........
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zombu2
Caldari
Nubs.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 11:58:00 -
[93]
well if you think it s soo cheap why don t you pay for my eve tv account lets see how long you can buy your beers
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n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:05:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Crassus Silverwolf
Great job so far to all of you at EVE TV......
It is intresting to watch and I am sure as time goes on it will become slicker, as far as I concerned worth the few ú's you pay to watch. If you are such a 'dinosaur hands' that you will not pay then butt out. You pay more for a beer for heavens sake!!!!!
It is no different than subscribing to EON and as such it is for those of us who enjoy everything EVE and want more information on what is happening now and in the future.
Pay up or shut up..........
Yeah, its less then a beer, but every time I go to the restroom or going out to make a phone call, I dont have to pay again to enter the same bar/pub/whatever?
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The Judge
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:32:00 -
[95]
Sorry i won't be paying either. There were too many problems with the last alliance tournament, and those same problems with the streaming are still happening now.
The presenters are all new to the game and so no offence but they have nothing they can tell me i don't already know, plus i don't like the fact of hired people. Spiral is the only person who's played a decent amount of time and i personally don't like him so there is nothing on EVE-TV for me.
I can't imagine eve-tv will be around for many more months, and to be honest thats a few months too long ...
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disassembler
Caldari
Grey Wave
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:34:00 -
[96]
Not for nothing to a few its only pocket change some thats alot they get all this money from adds and so on you cant tell me that from all that they cant make the show free maybe a pary to 2 less would help out if covering the cost but than again what do I know
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BOSssss
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:35:00 -
[97]
i bether pay **** they pay for EVE-Tv, Alliance tourny should be free
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RF Gonzo
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:00:00 -
[98]
For me it would be ok to pay a small(!) fee for EVE TV directly to CCP, but i am not interested to sign in at jalipo - they don't have a privacy statement, the data protection statement is a joke and all my jalipo-credits are gone after 180 days - no thanks.
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hormonal babe
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:01:00 -
[99]
My husband and I pay for 2 accounts each and a subscription to Eon Mag. Why should I pay for eve-tv? I really enjoy the alliance tourney's - I hope it's free for all or i'll miss a big part of the game. The idea of giving my credit card info to an unknown source is scary to say the least but the info being offered isn't worth it. Hope something is done to change this.
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:08:00 -
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lol,
they wanna get every penny they can b4 any1 quits
next it will be some new server you pay by the minute to access or a new skill called money-sharing.. it will be like boosters, you will pay a extra dolar a hour for a slight increase in a skill
honestly, with all the paying peeps here do you really need to find new ways to take our money?
the mag is kewl, items in the store (the playing cards that are hecka expensive) .....
where does it end? whats next
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Kali Rathmah
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:22:00 -
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Some have posted here that EVE-TV is not run by CCP, but some external entity, MMM. If thats true, than CCP has no reason to support this MMM over any other presentation of an EVE TV show - but does this extend to the Tournament?
I really am not interested in paying to watch this show, but I really want to see the tourney. Will CCP provide the same software to another broadcaster as it does to EVE-TV (the ability to see the damage taken by all the fielded ships simultaniously)? Will other broadcasters even be allowed near the field of battle? Might not be as clean as EVE-TV's presentation, but the price would be right.
As for bandwidth issues, at least someone in a cloaker could record a fight, condence it and throw it on Youtube. But again, might need to see damage to know whats going on.
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K00Z
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Posted - 2007.07.03 13:40:00 -
[102]
Make a poll to this thread.
Ps. im against paying for it...
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Pappy Stirling
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:02:00 -
[103]
Looks like a great way to spread the word and world of Eve if it were free...how many other MMOGs have a TV show?! Could be a huge selling point, one which should off-set any cost.
As a media buyer my recommendation is to buy time with a cable-tv channel focused on the right audience and make a boat load of money of with new subs! We have a channel in the States 'G4', they'd probably eat this stufff up during the time they usually play infomercials.
For the time being I will not be shelling out any cash to view.
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zombu2
Caldari
Nubs.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:12:00 -
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like i said earlyer i would be willing to host the files for free i got unlimited bandwidth on my account and unlimited storage so i wouldn t mind a couple gigs more
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Admiral Alina
Minmatar
Old Farts
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:07:00 -
[105]
Blah...
this is not cool. I mean i would like to watch from time to time some shows but now way am i paying to watch it.
And like 1-2 euros per show is a laugh... come on... That's a lot of money if u watch evetv for 2-3 hours per day.
Seriously... don't u get enough money from subscriptions and game cards...
You really are money hungry aren't you!?
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:20:00 -
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WOW! 1.5$ to watch a 30 minute show!
How much do you spend on entertainment daily? have you ever been to a pub/bar? did you ever buy a bag of chips/crisps?
However I would expect alittle more.. like Teleprompters not paper..
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Lady Ghoulia
Eternal-Darkness
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:27:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Admiral Alina
Blah...
this is not cool. I mean i would like to watch from time to time some shows but now way am i paying to watch it.
And like 1-2 euros per show is a laugh... come on... That's a lot of money if u watch evetv for 2-3 hours per day.
Seriously... don't u get enough money from subscriptions and game cards...
You really are money hungry aren't you!?
as they provide you with 30 minutes a week, i don't tihnk you'll encounter that problem much. and once again! CCP =/= EVETV
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judes23
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:30:00 -
[108]
pay to watch a 35 minute movie! hell no!
sorry guys but i and my friends shall not pay to see a movie that will only last a few minutes! why is CCP doing this? isnt paying for the game monthly and paying for eve voice enough? or do you guys just need more of our money? alot of the people who do play this game are pretty poor, and cant keep up to date on everything when they have to keep on paying and paying. sorry if you guys think this is a rant, or a flame, its not. im just mad we have to pay for one more thing!
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.03 16:50:00 -
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The simple fact is if any one ever ask's you to convert cash into some sort of made up money and then spend that they,
A, Know their product is crap to begin with.
B, Don't want you know how much its actual costing you.
If my hard earned cash is not good enuth for you then your service is not good enuth for me.
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Pasha Cracken
Caldari
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:14:00 -
[110]
/me waits for the post when someone says
"hey lets buy show time with isk!"
ccp goes "great idea"
week later...
"you can now buy eve tv show time with isk! only 50 mil a show!"
hahaha, right.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2007.07.03 17:19:00 -
[111]
There's nothing surprising about this. Just like nearly everything in this world it is for the ones with the money.
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DocJB
Decadence.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 00:56:00 -
[112]
Even if i wanted to pay i couldn't because i have no credit card.
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Romana Zangi
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:05:00 -
[113]
Nice, an advertisement which is sold as a Service.
Sorry it is a good idea, but not with me. In RL you need an agreement from the people which are shown in TV. Sometimes you have to pay for that agreement. The players are the performers. They make it possible. Others sell the stuff and make the money.
Moneymaking in our days makes me ill. It could be a nice Service, but not for money. Players who want to watch films, look in the forum, on youtube ...
I hope the next idea will be better for the community.
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Rouque Vanderbuilt
Nuts and Bolts
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:15:00 -
[114]
Yes. To pay for this is useless...
EVE TV FOR FREE!!!
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Nar Kosis
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:19:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Nar Kosis on 04/07/2007 11:20:01
Well, first of all...
I know its becoming more and more common usage that you have to pay monthly fees for online gaming. I like the Guild Wars idea, buy the game and you can play. But in a way to maintain a game like EVE and the professional hosting and all that, is money intense, so ok i pay for that. But charging xtra for the TV, hell no. You are trying to rip cash out of ppl whewrever you can. Not enough i pay for my account, no my wife plays my daughter plays, my son plays and now you want me to pay for eve TV wich gives me actually nothing but watching a video? Cmon...yor better than that. Bahhh 
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:58:00 -
[116]
Edited by: SN3263827 on 04/07/2007 11:56:42
Originally by: Nar Kosis
now you want me to pay for eve TV wich gives me actually nothing but watching a video?
If you don't think its worth it then don't watch and don't pay. Its that simple.
/me shrugs
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Captain Havoc
Caldari
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Havoc on 04/07/2007 12:05:10
Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
when you first sign up you get 200 credits free... see FAQ
You do? i just signed up and it gave me 20.. missing a 0 there..
"You now have 20 credits and can start watching or you can top up your account with a voucher." - I just signed up with my other email address and that's what it gave me, 20 credits looks like about 4 minutes at the 250k option, pfft pointless, i'll just wait until someone makes a youtube style grabber for it and starts putting them up on torrents..
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Havoc
You do? i just signed up and it gave me 20.. missing a 0 there.
Did you read the FAQ linked to in the post you quoted?
Originally by: "EVETV Xyliana"
How do I get my 200 Free J:Credits?
If you entered your email as above, simply check your email and you should find one from Jalipo. Click on the link and your account will automatically be credited with 180 extra J:Credits.
Checked your mail yet?
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n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.04 15:10:00 -
[119]
Originally by: SN3263827
Edited by: SN3263827 on 04/07/2007 11:56:42
Originally by: Nar Kosis
now you want me to pay for eve TV wich gives me actually nothing but watching a video?
If you don't think its worth it then don't watch and don't pay. Its that simple.
/me shrugs
Its not simple. Problem is that even tho EVE TV isnt a CCP project, its still an ad about a game. So incase someone from people who arent playing EVE will want to watch it but will see that he has to pay, well....it automatically lowers his interest to a minimum.
Moreover, the already paying subbers have to pay to watch the game toruneys that they already pay for said game. Its like on your local news channel they will bill you everytime they advertise their own new program or project. How youd feel then? Or better yet, pay for the ad-break between shows, in addition paying for the channel itself.
That is certainly not how marketing team should work there, paying for paying and paying again? lol.
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.04 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: SN3263827 on 04/07/2007 16:38:02
Originally by: n0thing
Its not simple.
No, it really is - you don't have to watch it. No-one is forcing you.
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Problem is that even tho EVE TV isnt a CCP project, its still an ad about a game.
That's like saying a classic car magazine is an advert for classic cars - it certainly promotes classic cars but its not an advertisement in the sense you're implying. There is content beyond "Oh look shiny!" and if you took the time to watch it and read Xyliana's countless posts about what the intent and vision of EVETV is then you'd see that.
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So incase someone from people who arent playing EVE will want to watch it but will see that he has to pay, well....it automatically lowers his interest to a minimum.
Except that anyone can watch (more than) an episode for free. And the existence of EVETV does not remove the existence of all the other channels through which people are introduced to EVE.
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Moreover, the already paying subbers have to pay to watch the game toruneys that they already pay for said game.
NO THEY DON'T. The tournament is free. At least do some research before embarking on a biased tirade against something.
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Its like on your local news channel they will bill you everytime they advertise their own new program or project. How youd feel then? Or better yet, pay for the ad-break between shows, in addition paying for the channel itself.
No, it isn't, because EVETV is an optional extra. You don't have to watch it. You can carry on with your life as if it never existed, and then watch the tournament for free when it comes along.
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That is certainly not how marketing team should work there, paying for paying and paying again? lol.
You don't have to pay. You don't have to watch. It really really is that simple. The only reason you should watch is if you want to and if you do want to then simply ask yourself if you want to watch it enough to pay for it. If the answer is no then go back to mining veld or shooting rats or other players or whatever it is you do in EVE. If the answer is yes then get your credit card out and buy some J:Credits.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:33:00 -
[121]
They say Eve-TV is not a child from CCP and they have nothing to do with it.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:55:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Romana Zangi
They say Eve-TV is not a child from CCP and they have nothing to do with it.
But, why do they promote it in this intensive way on Eve-Online-Forum?
Microsoft doesn't own all the game developers for their platform, yet provide forums for almost every single game released on their consoles on xbox.com.
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omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.04 18:35:00 -
[123]
Originally by: SN3263827
<space saver>
Ok well,
- Classic car magazine isnt a good comparsion. If the EVE TV channel would be giving us news on MMORPG`s in general. Then its like a classic cars magazine you mentioned. But if the said magazine hosts only specific brand and no other brands present in any of the issues of the said magazine, it is an ad. One way or another, a show/magazine that features one product or item without giving any insign at all on other products or items in the same line, can be considered an ad.
- Well, if you noticed, Im not only complaining about paying. The thing is, there is very limited payment options or watch options. Only one payment type, only one payment plan and only one beta-stage player to watch the show. If there would be several plans/types of payment, alot more people would give it a try. What turned me off in particular is lack of the payment plans or types.
- Wich channels is EVE introduced on to a non-RPG/MMO player? Please specify. Sure, EVE marketing team does great job, EVE is prolly the only game that was featured in NY Times. But to get more insight on gameplay you need to either start playing or watch EVE TV. And if person is unsure about joining or not, and he cant even watch the episode again after he watched it...its not good thing.
- If tourney is free, then I am sorry. Wrong info.
- Problem with watch:pay thing, is also that like I said above, even if Id like to watch it, things like that you cant watch a show again after you already watched it once, thats exactly whats turns off.
Dont get me wrong, EVE TV team does good job at getting everything to work, but they could just make a very slight changes that wont even need that much, if any at all, extra funds, and turn this project into alot more sucessful.
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Ulysses Icarusson
Doom Guard
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 19:40:00 -
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You gotta be kidding me!! Yeah I'd like to watch.. but Pay-per-view by the article? I'll pass on this like I have on Pay-to-talk (EVE-voice.) ..and I'll probably make my own EVE T-Shirt, thank you very much.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.04 22:35:00 -
[125]
Originally by: n0thing
- Classic car magazine isnt a good comparsion. If the EVE TV channel would be giving us news on MMORPG`s in general. Then its like a classic cars magazine you mentioned. But if the said magazine hosts only specific brand and no other brands present in any of the issues of the said magazine, it is an ad.
There are countless magazines dedicated to specific marques that are not simply adverts. Your objection to the analogy is groundless (not to say that its a perfect analogy).
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- Well, if you noticed, Im not only complaining about paying. The thing is, there is very limited payment options or watch options. Only one payment type, only one payment plan and only one beta-stage player to watch the show. If there would be several plans/types of payment, alot more people would give it a try. What turned me off in particular is lack of the payment plans or types.
And Xyliana has said more times than I can count that other options are being looked into. Should the launch be delayed 6 months while other options are investigated, passed through legal, passed back, reworked ad nauseam, or would you rather have a system that works in place and otehr systems coming in as and when they are available?
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- Wich channels is EVE introduced on to a non-RPG/MMO player? Please specify.
Are you honestly asking how people get introduced to EVE without EVETV? EVETV didn't exist when I started playing, and it didn't exist when the vast majority of subscribers started playing. Of those that have started playing since EVETV's inception, I doubt whether a great deal of them were aware of EVETV before they started.
EVETV is a new method of introducing people to the game, but that is not its prime purpose, and saying that it is and so it should be free is just an attempt to muddy the issue, or a genuine misunderstanding of EVETV's purpose.
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And if person is unsure about joining or not, and he cant even watch the episode again after he watched it...its not good thing.
Free 14 day trials. Nobody needs to watch EVETV to experience the gameplay.
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- Problem with watch:pay thing, is also that like I said above, even if Id like to watch it, things like that you cant watch a show again after you already watched it once, thats exactly whats turns off.
You can't watch a film at the cinema more than once, you can't (legally) keep a copy of a film you hire from a video store to watch later, you can't (legally) keep a permanent copy of something broadcast on TV or radio. You are paying for the experience of watching EVETV, not for the right to keep it. Again, decide whether you want to pay for it and stick to that decision.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:12:00 -
[126]
Originally by: SN3263827
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- Problem with watch:pay thing, is also that like I said above, even if Id like to watch it, things like that you cant watch a show again after you already watched it once, thats exactly whats turns off.
You can't watch a film at the cinema more than once, you can't (legally) keep a copy of a film you hire from a video store to watch later, you can't (legally) keep a permanent copy of something broadcast on TV or radio. You are paying for the experience of watching EVETV, not for the right to keep it. Again, decide whether you want to pay for it and stick to that decision.
Well to be exact, if I rent a film from the video rental, I pay ú1.50 ($3.00) for a night (two day times). If I want to rewind it and watch a bit of it a second time, or a third, or a fourth, or a tenth, then I can. I have to give it back after these two day times, but thats my only limitation.
I can legally watch something on TV several times over, as long as I have Tivo, Sky+, or am watching it on my PC's TV receiver or similar. And even if I couldn't, the vast (VAST) majority of TV channels are broadcast for free, paid for by commercial advertising. With the exception of a handful of exceptionally important sporting events, none of it is pay-per-minute. It is much harder to get worked up about only being able to watch free content the once.
It is true that I only get to watch a film at the cinema once, and that it is pay-per-view. But I also get to sit in an air-conditioned room, in a comfy seat, watching it on a massive 20 foot screen, listening to it in glorious surround sound, and eating popcorn or other snacks that someone else has cooked for me. At my local cinema, I pay ú4.50 for this (minute for minute, only ú1.00 more expensive than watching eve-tv at full detail, and only ú1.50 more expensive than the lowest detail mode).
Jalipo is still coming off as the worst of the listed media, tbh...
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Posted - 2007.07.04 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tony Curtis on 04/07/2007 23:45:47
Let¦s put things into perspective here, we pay to play a very good online game, this we do. If we want to circumvent teamspeak/vent we pay extra for the eve voice. Everything else is a bonus, be it TV, Radio, etc. although i personally, do find it quite offensive that a second party should come along and offer a service that we must pay for, with the smile of a backhanded 200 free credits, but needless to say, people will pay for it.
This is a service i will not be using, nor ever will while there are money signs attached. Should i be a char, viewed on the EVE TV for whatever reason, then i Will expect the relevent royalties any actor recieves from companies that get payed to provide entertainment.(you sign a waiver of rights if there is no money to be given), even more if someone has hacked into the relevent TS channel.
With this in mind i feel the BoB characters should become Very rich, and even now are looking at mansions in beverly hills.
Ok RKK, where do i sign up?
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.07.05 12:40:00 -
[128]
Basically I have a huge problem with giving my credit card to an unknown company who will convert my dollars into "j-credits" that disappear after 180 days and have no real value. On top of this, I have to pay AGAIN if I want to watch the show a second time. Do it through CCP, a company I trust, and I'd pay an extra 5 dollars a month for the Eve-TV service. Untill you can both prove to me Eve-TV is worth it, and not use a POS website that I've not heard of (and has a joke of a privacy policy as was previously mentioned) you will not get a dime from my wallet.
I love CCP and their products, but I honestly do not get this.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.05 15:51:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Patch86
I can legally watch something on TV several times over, as long as I have Tivo, Sky+, or am watching it on my PC's TV receiver or similar.
Not true. UK copyright law allows you to keep a copy of broadcast media for timeshifting purposes, ie so you can watch it later. It isn't a provision for you to keep a copy to watch as many times as you like. In reality enforcing the law like that is impossible, but that's partly the point - Jalipo enforces copyright law better than traditional broadcast can, and that's a good thing for the copyright holder.
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It is true that I only get to watch a film at the cinema once, and that it is pay-per-view. But I also get to sit in an air-conditioned room, in a comfy seat, watching it on a massive 20 foot screen, listening to it in glorious surround sound, and eating popcorn or other snacks that someone else has cooked for me.
You are also subjected to the advertisements and trailers before the main feature. Your price of 4.50 certainly doesn't include that popcorn either. If its a multiplex cinema then 4.50 is a student/OAP (I won't offer any speculation as to which  )price as well.
I agree that on the whole the cinema is more value for money if you avoid paying through the nose for refreshments, but that wasn't the argument I was offering a rebuttal for. The argument was that if paying for something you should get to keep a copy, and that is just naive.
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Jalipo is still coming off as the worst of the listed media, tbh...
I agree, from the perspective of the consumer. I'm not a huge fan of Jalipo myself, and I haven't said otherwise. I just can't stand to see stupid arguments go unchallenged - if you're (and I don't mean Patch86) going to attack something, at least attack it with some substance and not just rabble-rousing emotive rubbish.
In fact I talked to Xyl about the problems I foresaw with Jalipo before EVETV launched, not least of which the possibilities for someone to watch forever for free, which doesn't bring in any money to EVETV. Essentially EVETV's current business model depends on the viewers being either stupid, lazy, or extremely honorable in order to bring in any revenue. I won't say which of the three I consider most most likely, but the fourth option (clever/determined enough to find a way to watch for free, and it hardly takes a genius) is more likely still.
I'm not saying this because I want people to circumvent payment - I want EVETV to flourish because its a cool concept and because Xyl has put a lot of work into it, which has meant she hasn't been around lately for me to chat to, and I'd hate for that to have been for nothing.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 17:26:00 -
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Players have already shown they will try to bypass payment and 'share' with other users. As far as I can see, DRM or pay-per-view is one of the avenues that offer the longest delay to that inevitability. If players continue to attempt to bypass it, the longer Eve-TV will resist a more honourable route, such as non-DRM'd downloads. DRM itself is technically platform restrictive. If Eve-TV do decide to go the advertised route, there will always be people who moan they'd prefer to pay for a non-advert product. Catch 22 :/
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827You are also subjected to the advertisements and trailers before the main feature. Your price of 4.50 certainly doesn't include that popcorn either. If its a multiplex cinema then 4.50 is a student/OAP (I won't offer any speculation as to which [)
)price as well.
i am sorry, but that is only about 30 minutes to 10 minutes (depends on what time you get to the movies) of ads and trailers. but if we didnt have trailers we wouldnt know of different movies.
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Caldari
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:12:00 -
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Can't be arsed to read 5 pages of this...
I'm sure the price is worth it, cosidering Bandwidth cost(s) alone, just not something
I"m willing to, or will pay for.
A suggestion...make 1 lower quality video and low feed line (like 125kbs) and have advertisements in it, for those who would rather see it free.
Might be able to make something to cover Bandwidth like that
Until then....post them torrents up
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.06 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: SN3263827
Originally by: Patch86
I can legally watch something on TV several times over, as long as I have Tivo, Sky+, or am watching it on my PC's TV receiver or similar.
Not true. UK copyright law allows you to keep a copy of broadcast media for timeshifting purposes, ie so you can watch it later. It isn't a provision for you to keep a copy to watch as many times as you like. In reality enforcing the law like that is impossible, but that's partly the point - Jalipo enforces copyright law better than traditional broadcast can, and that's a good thing for the copyright holder.
Point taken. But none the less, television is free to watch (well, ú11 a month in the UK), and as a rule I am only subjected to 5 minutes or less of advertising for every 25 minutes of content. And as I said, it's much less reasonable to complain about only being able to watch free content the once.
Originally by: SN3263827
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It is true that I only get to watch a film at the cinema once, and that it is pay-per-view. But I also get to sit in an air-conditioned room, in a comfy seat, watching it on a massive 20 foot screen, listening to it in glorious surround sound, and eating popcorn or other snacks that someone else has cooked for me.
You are also subjected to the advertisements and trailers before the main feature. Your price of 4.50 certainly doesn't include that popcorn either. If its a multiplex cinema then 4.50 is a student/OAP (I won't offer any speculation as to which )price as well.
I agree that on the whole the cinema is more value for money if you avoid paying through the nose for refreshments, but that wasn't the argument I was offering a rebuttal for. The argument was that if paying for something you should get to keep a copy, and that is just naive.
Off peak ticket cost
It would cost more at peak time, but I use this just as an example of possible viewing costs. And last I checked, EVE-TV didn't have popcorn included in the price either; but at the cinema theres the facility to have someone cook you snacks. I can fuss about it as much as I like, but no-one is going to cook me popcorn in front of my TV, for any price
But we digress.
The fact that Jalipo does cost me only ú1.50 less than it cost me to go watch Die Hard 4, minute for minute, is a good way of actually visualizing the cost. Is easy for people to get sucked into the whole "it's only 80p" thing, without actually thinking about the cost in context.
When I paid ú4.50 to watch Die Hard, I got the big screen, surround sound, air conditioning etc., which is all worth the money. Not only that, but the film itself was a highly polished viewing feast, with a $100 million budget, Hollywood celebrities, painstakingly crafted special effects, and so forth.
EVE-TV through Jalipo costs me only 1/3rd less (per minute), comes through in a stuttering, buffering grainy stream, views only in a single non-preferential proprietary viewer, and cannot be transferred to any other viewing device (no sticking it on your iPod Video for you!). The content itself is a basically amateur video game news show, with low production values and inexperienced presenters.
I find it difficult to reconcile the two, and justify my spending on Jalipo. While it may only be 80p, its 80p for something that clearly isn't worth 80p.
20p and I'd consider it a little more proportional...
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Avalon Ranger
Caldari
Orphans of War
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Posted - 2007.07.06 01:36:00 -
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As EVETV is a weekly thing and I am never around to watch it I'll happily pay ú5 to watch the shows. Each full show is around ú0.86, you can find that in the street. That's lunch at McDonald.
I don't see a problem, I see part of my money pays for bandwidth, electricity, hosting, maintainable, wages and THEN some money goes to EVETV. I'll donate ú20 a month just to EVETV once it gets a few shows out. You pay about $14.95 or there about (Buy GTC's from Americans ) to play EVE. If you want to watch EVETV then watch it, it's cheap and I am sure ALL of you spend 1 shows worth (A good hours entertainment) on stupid things. If you can't get ú1 a week then you need to get a better job and stop playing EVE. EVE is a luxury and so is EVETV.
Why does anyone feel the need to complain about price? If you don't want it, DON'T GET IT. I hate people like that, "Ohh.. Ohh, look I want that but it's not free.. Ohh.. Oh no. COMPLAIN!". I support EVETV, and they have just started, someone give them a chance. If you want EVETV for free, make you're own. See how 'Free' you can make it.
Enjoy mu little rant, but EVETV is nothing a must have. If you can't afford that tiny price I laugh at you. If you REALLY can't afford that tiny price, I feel sorry for you and hope that money comes your way soon.
Avalon 'Ranty McRantypants) Ranger
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari
Shang'rila
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Posted - 2007.07.06 02:05:00 -
[135]
Edited by: PanzerGrenadier on 06/07/2007 02:05:14
Originally by: Avalon Ranger
As EVETV is a weekly thing and I am never around to watch it I'll happily pay ú5 to watch the shows. Each full show is around ú0.86, you can find that in the street. That's lunch at McDonald.
I don't see a problem, I see part of my money pays for bandwidth, electricity, hosting, maintainable, wages and THEN some money goes to EVETV. I'll donate ú20 a month just to EVETV once it gets a few shows out. You pay about $14.95 or there about (Buy GTC's from Americans ) to play EVE. If you want to watch EVETV then watch it, it's cheap and I am sure ALL of you spend 1 shows worth (A good hours entertainment) on stupid things. If you can't get ú1 a week then you need to get a better job and stop playing EVE. EVE is a luxury and so is EVETV.
Why does anyone feel the need to complain about price? If you don't want it, DON'T GET IT. I hate people like that, "Ohh.. Ohh, look I want that but it's not free.. Ohh.. Oh no. COMPLAIN!". I support EVETV, and they have just started, someone give them a chance. If you want EVETV for free, make you're own. See how 'Free' you can make it.
Enjoy mu little rant, but EVETV is nothing a must have. If you can't afford that tiny price I laugh at you. If you REALLY can't afford that tiny price, I feel sorry for you and hope that money comes your way soon.
Avalon 'Ranty McRantypants) Ranger
The point, at least for me, is not the price. It's the way in which Eve TV is selling itself which irks me. As I said previously, I would gladly pay 5 pounds a month TO CCP for an Eve-TV subscription. But a sketchy service like Jalipo does not earn my trust. Additionally, the fact that I must pay again to watch the episode I already paid for annoys me. If a DL function/reputible provider were added I would reconsider Eve-TV. But, as it sits now, I will not pay.
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LedPellet
Iron Dragon Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.06 04:30:00 -
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Hmm..Charging for this only leads to more piracy.. You could turn 150 jalipo into quite alot of isk..
So I think its dumb to charge for it..But by not charging for it I guess it wouldnt be here, UNLESS you could let regular eve players DO IT THEMSELVES!! Eve radio rocks..and ITS FREE.. I am sure if you opened the opertunity, EVETV would be free and rock just as much as eve radio..I can only say Money Grubbing..
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Eomar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 10:28:00 -
[137]
Originally by: LedPellet
Edited by: LedPellet on 06/07/2007 04:45:31
Hmm..Charging for this only leads to more piracy.. You could turn 150 jalipo into quite alot of isk..
So I think its dumb to charge for it..But by not charging for it I guess it wouldnt be here, UNLESS you could let regular eve players DO IT THEMSELVES!! Eve radio rocks..and ITS FREE.. I am sure if you opened the opertunity, EVETV would be free and rock just as much as eve radio..I can only say Money Grubbing..
TBH..It makes me think about things alot differently..My 30$ per month isnt enough for you? You want more? Where is the loyalty here..You try to nickel and dime me..
I know I can take my money and leave.. I know I dont have to watch evetv.. I know that beer is cheap..I know all your excuses for paying for evetv are to make you feel better about doing it..
There is no reason evetv should cost eve players money. Eve is not only a game but a piece of artistry. The chance at having EVETV should be given to the players. Not a second rate webcasting company. blah blah blah and more blah blah blah blah..
its been said, many MANY times.
the oppurtunity IS there for the "regular" eve players to make thier own EVETV.
you think you can do it better cheaper faster then DO IT. NOONE IS STOPPING YOU. in fact some members of the community will even help you.
Im going to say this again.
1)EVETV is not run by CCP.
2)EVETV is owned by MMM publishing, the same people that own EON.
3)EVETV is Directed hosted etc by eve PLAYERS. (yes regular eve players, some of whom cant even play cos theyre working every bloody hour they got on the program. <3 Xyl. )
4)EVETV content is largely PLAYER DRIVEN, and if people themselves go out of thier way to MAKE CONTENT, then EVETV will go out of thier way to feature it.
5)EVETV is not free, why? because bandwidth costs money, staff costs money, studios cost money, COMPANIES COST MONEY.
6)EVETV is not a monopoly. If you think you can compete, present your case, put in the MONTHS of groundwork required to set up a business model and prove to a publisher that you have a concept that will really work. If you think it can be done for free, then go for it, I for one will watch your show. At least once. Ill even see it gets slashdotted, and Ill watch with interest how your bandwidth lasts. (Alliance tourney netted 150000+ viewers after slashdotting I heard, CCP shouldered that cost, now EVETV plan to fund it, for YOU the PLAYERS. wonder where theyll magic all that cash from if they dont charge for the weeklys.)
Im gonna stop now. I have a bag to pack and a train to catch so I can be at the london meet tomorrow. beer on.
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.06 10:38:00 -
[138]
do we know if the tournament broadcast is going to get charged this year?
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n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:24:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Eomar
<space saver>
Yep, noones questioning your hard work dude.
But point is, even with all hard work, you cant charge people for beta-quality player, and 'pilot' shows that are running now in some sort of 'test mode'.
Same as EVE Voice(yes i know EVE TV isnt CCP. yes), make 1 month free, and let people see how you improve. Really, a regular customer wont just get disappointed, wait then try again only because the team members said its better now. You need to let those potential customers see the change and compare between now and after.
Moreover, if the show made for players, why arent there more of high-end expirienced people? Really...only combatant community rep`s are Farjung and Ifni. Thats it for over 70% of EVE players? They are fine, but Id expect pilots from other parties as well.
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Posted - 2007.07.06 11:47:00 -
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There's a lot going on in this thread, but all these questions have been addressed a few times. Also, there's an FAQ available at the top of this forum which DOES explain a lot. What I WILL pick up on is this:
Originally by: n0thing
They are fine, but Id expect pilots from other parties as well.
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I would too. And we've asked, dozens of times. If you know your stuff, and want to be on EVE TV, email us. Put yourself forward. I'm not going to evemail every single half-decent pilot ingame and ask them to come on TV. It's up to the players to let us know they're interested
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Eomar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.06 12:04:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Eomar on 06/07/2007 12:05:38
Originally by: n0thing
Originally by: Eomar
<space saver>
Yep, noones questioning your hard work dude.
just to clarify I dont work for evetv and nor am I (yet) a volunteer
My interest started simply as I sort of know spiraljunkie (through harassing him on his radio show. still never bloody won a thing mind)
Dont get me wrong I HAVE been heckling them to give me a job, but it seems they cant find employment for an aircraft propulsion systems technician. booooo. I cant present, not a director, actor, graphics design specialist etc, possibly PR, but im not so good at that by the look of it.
My opinions and suggestions are purely my own, except in those cases where im quoting those who actually know whats going on, (I shall try to make those quotes clearly not mine)
I can be a little vocal in defence of the evetv guys, but that simply is because im seeing a slightly different angle, i see the output, but i also see whats happening to those people who're making it, people who used to play eve 12 hours a day now play 2 hours a week, and work the rest. people working 36 hour shifts etc etc, just because theyre doing something for a game, and remember it is a game, and they feel so passionate about thier work.
Sorry for any confusion.
:edited for spelling, take the comma out of who're and the filter wakes up  :
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Posted - 2007.07.06 12:19:00 -
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Im the same. I used to assume making short movies was all about grabbing a $300 video camera and writing a script. Then I joined a film group, and the amount of collaboration, cost and effort involved suddenly becomes apparent. We submit our shorts to festivals and even though its a collaborative effort, someone usually takes the brunt of the expenses, and decent kit is SO expensive. If I could find a way to distribute and recover those costs without seeing my stuff ripped off and distributed via other sites, I would. I totally empathise with EveTV and their efforts to provide something for the community.
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omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.06 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: EVETV spiralJunkie
There's a lot going on in this thread, but all these questions have been addressed a few times. Also, there's an FAQ available at the top of this forum which DOES explain a lot. What I WILL pick up on is this:
Originally by: n0thing
They are fine, but Id expect pilots from other parties as well.
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I would too. And we've asked, dozens of times. If you know your stuff, and want to be on EVE TV, email us. Put yourself forward. I'm not going to evemail every single half-decent pilot ingame and ask them to come on TV. It's up to the players to let us know they're interested
Well, I probably wouldnt be able to move to Iceland, nor really cover all pvp aspects. The idea can be to just look thru top 10`s on main alliance boards and then from those see who can cooperate. That would be really like 10 people you would need to contact. Or contact alliance rep`s and ask em to name their most competent pilots.
Please note, that Im not the one who argues on your work, Im just pointing out on possible improvements that would improve the service with pretty much no resource investement. If stuff like payment plans/options/players already looked at, I am happy.
Originally by: Eomar
<space saver>
Well, like I stated above, just was pointing out without any offence to the team that works hard on it, if thats already sorted, Im happy
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.06 13:52:00 -
[144]
Originally by: n0thing
Well, I probably wouldnt be able to move to Iceland, nor really cover all pvp aspects. The idea can be to just look thru top 10`s on main alliance boards and then from those see who can cooperate. That would be really like 10 people you would need to contact. Or contact alliance rep`s and ask em to name their most competent pilots.
Please note, that Im not the one who argues on your work, Im just pointing out on possible improvements that would improve the service with pretty much no resource investement. If stuff like payment plans/options/players already looked at, I am happy.
EVETV weekly is filmed in London (link) It's only the Alliance Tournament that is broadcast from Iceland, and CCP covers travel to and from.
The fact of the matter is, even when you do contact alliances, they invariably don't respond; I remember the response to the enquiries made for alliance profiles for the last Tournament. Out of all the teams competing, maybe a dozen submitted a profile of themselves. And yet people still complained about not knowing enough about the alliances in play.
Further to this, how would you rate and alliance? If, for example, you had 10 people from one alliance present, people would claim bias, and jump up and down on the forum. Having seen spiral pulling his hair out over this, I'm confident when I say, they are trying.
Player apathy about their own environment is more the problem. If you know of people who would do a good piece on EVETV then tell them to contact Xyliana. Help them to help you.
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LedPellet
Iron Dragon Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.06 22:23:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: LedPellet
Edited by: LedPellet on 06/07/2007 04:45:31
Hmm..Charging for this only leads to more piracy.. You could turn 150 jalipo into quite alot of isk..
So I think its dumb to charge for it..But by not charging for it I guess it wouldnt be here, UNLESS you could let regular eve players DO IT THEMSELVES!! Eve radio rocks..and ITS FREE.. I am sure if you opened the opertunity, EVETV would be free and rock just as much as eve radio..I can only say Money Grubbing..
TBH..It makes me think about things alot differently..My 30$ per month isnt enough for you? You want more? Where is the loyalty here..You try to nickel and dime me..
I know I can take my money and leave.. I know I dont have to watch evetv.. I know that beer is cheap..I know all your excuses for paying for evetv are to make you feel better about doing it..
There is no reason evetv should cost eve players money. Eve is not only a game but a piece of artistry. The chance at having EVETV should be given to the players. Not a second rate webcasting company. blah blah blah and more blah blah blah blah..
its been said, many MANY times.
the oppurtunity IS there for the "regular" eve players to make thier own EVETV.
you think you can do it better cheaper faster then DO IT. NOONE IS STOPPING YOU. in fact some members of the community will even help you.
Im going to say this again.
1)EVETV is not run by CCP.
2)EVETV is owned by MMM publishing, the same people that own EON.
3)EVETV is Directed hosted etc by eve PLAYERS. (yes regular eve players, some of whom cant even play cos theyre working every bloody hour they got on the program. <3 Xyl. )
4)EVETV content is largely PLAYER DRIVEN, and if people themselves go out of thier way to MAKE CONTENT, then EVETV will go out of thier way to feature it.
5)EVETV is not free, why? because bandwidth costs money, staff costs money, studios cost money, COMPANIES COST MONEY.
6)EVETV is not a monopoly. If you think you can compete, present your case, put in the MONTHS of groundwork required to set up a business model and prove to a publisher that you have a concept that will really work. If you think it can be done for free, then go for it, I for one will watch your show. At least once. Ill even see it gets slashdotted, and Ill watch with interest how your bandwidth lasts. (Alliance tourney netted 150000+ viewers after slashdotting I heard, CCP shouldered that cost, now EVETV plan to fund it, for YOU the PLAYERS. wonder where theyll magic all that cash from if they dont charge for the weeklys.)
Im gonna stop now. I have a bag to pack and a train to catch so I can be at the london meet tomorrow. beer on.
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So your saying CCP will let me use all of Eve's Copyrighted material for free? I can use my digital camera invite people that play eve over and have an eve tv show? Hmm.. I will do that..Oh.. pay for hosting? YOUTUBE 4tw.. there is plenty of free places to host..But I somehow doubt that all the images and such are free to use from CCP..If so let me know.. Then have a CCP lawyer mail me the rights to freely use EVE material for Led's EveTV wich I will host for free on YouTube...
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Tony Curtis
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Posted - 2007.07.07 02:56:00 -
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Looking at some of the remarks made here, i believe that the host TV company seem to have bought some characters to justify taking money from real players, or are the TV company players too?? Hmm maybe it isnt just the main chars who are playing, who we are paying to view. needless to say, i am waiting for someone to say they have seen me on eve tv, before i claim my royalty rights :)
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Tony Curtis
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Posted - 2007.07.07 03:10:00 -
[147]
Looking at some of the remarks made here, i believe that the host TV company seem to have bought some characters to justify taking money from real players, or are the TV company players too?? Hmm maybe it isnt just the main chars who are playing, who we are paying to view. needless to say, i am waiting for someone to say they have seen me on eve tv, before i claim my royalty rights :) Or is this just eve radio ( a fine service) moving some of it¦s characters on in an attempt to influence people to pay for viewing. Many questions, no answers. Either way, the answer s are these, pay and get errrm, whatever you pay for, whatever that is through another ungaranteed party, or dont, and get eeerm, nothing you havent paid for. All i see is over 30 thousand players on screen, and oh, not that many going WOW (pardon the other game pun) what a brilliant service, glad i paid the undesclosed sum to see, eeerm, well, to see , errm, stuff i really love, errm, that errm, etc.
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Empror Khain
Amarr
Galactic Haulers and Miners
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Edited by: Empror Khain on 07/07/2007 03:12:20
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Luminus Aardokay
Gallente
Split Infinity Radio
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Posted - 2007.07.08 04:56:00 -
[149]
On the other hand you can try and be the lucky one who will win the credits for the next eveTV episode each week by listening to the 'Singularity Show' on Split Infinity Radio every Wednesday at 20:00 Eve time, and winning on the relevant competition (along with other nifty prizes Soulblythe arranges for the listeners every week).
Split Infinity Radio
Get Loud, Get Mental
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Kangtar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.08 11:28:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Kangtar on 08/07/2007 11:28:17
I've watched the first 3 episodes and while we have seen an improvement in quality it's still not a show I would be willing to pay for. It probably never will be either, crap host company, too short and far too much time spent on garbage topics I care nothing for that I can't choose not to view.
With a mention of adverts being included at some point it makes it even less likely I'd ever pay to watch.
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: NereSky on 08/07/2007 12:33:15
Am i watching the same show as you guys lmao
i found it informative,professional and more importantly enjoyable and for the measly amount they ask for in return it represents great value for money.
end of the day though its choice and if you choose not to pay and use this wonderful service then tbh its your loss.
better then reading COAD lol
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.08 12:41:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Kangtar
With a mention of adverts being included at some point it makes it even less likely I'd ever pay to watch.
Well the point of adverts would be so you didn't have to pay :P.
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Kangtar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:41:00 -
[153]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Well the point of adverts would be so you didn't have to pay :P.
I've heard no mention of adverts being used instead of pay per view, As well as yes.
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Kangtar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:42:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Kangtar on 08/07/2007 16:41:50
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:46:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Kangtar
Originally by: LoxyRider
Well the point of adverts would be so you didn't have to pay :P.
I've heard no mention of adverts being used instead of pay per view, As well as yes.
I haven't seen anything anywhere suggesting adverts would be in addition to payment.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 09:50:00 -
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CCP Realy should make the EveTV free again.Or the greed will make them end up like Sony online.
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Cloud Strive
Caldari
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:51:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Tal Ribek
I pay enough in subscriptions as it is, you should have kept it free but with advertising, come to think of it you'll probably have advertising in anyway lol.
Thanks but no thanks.
SIGNED!
Let it be 1.50 or 15 per show, doesnt matter but this realy sux bigtime, first the moneymaker thingy with this rediculous Teletuby Baby CCG stuff. Then you can not even download the "the iron tide" screenshoot anymore because it only can be baught as a poster now. And now you got to pay to get the latest news on eve and watch the next turney! An ingame match!!!! Its not about how much it is, i can easely afford 1.50 per show but when something that once started out as a Projekt that the developers had FUN in turns into a money maker machine i dunno..... does everything has to turn out into Money making? Why the Comerce? Where is the love for this game?
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KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.11 07:26:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Luminus Aardokay
On the other hand you can try and be the lucky one who will win the credits for the next eveTV episode each week by listening to the 'Singularity Show' on Split Infinity Radio every Wednesday at 20:00 Eve time, and winning on the relevant competition (along with other nifty prizes Soulblythe arranges for the listeners every week).
Aye this a great way to check it out for your first or third time!
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Metal Thong
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Posted - 2007.07.11 11:21:00 -
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it's offensive that they expect us to pay for content that's not even in the game.
wtF?
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Joram McRory
Caldari
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.13 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Joram McRory on 13/07/2007 10:43:02
This is a tricky one IMO. I am going to work from an assumtion that EvE TV and CCP are completely seperate companies:
Firstly I'd like to say i have watched the first couple of shows and I quite enjoyed them. So well done guys.
I have no problem with the idea of paying a 3rd party company for something to do with EvE. If the EvETV peeps want to set themselves up as a new venture and manage to make a bit of cash from it I think that is absolutley fine. There seems to be an assumption in a lot of posts in this thread that EvETV=CCP, and afaik that is not the case, so give them a chance. This is like me writing a really brill Killboard and charging you all to use it. Nothing wrong IMO.
What makes it tricky is that CCP are getting a lot of qudos for the existance of evetv, and obviously have an interest in it (I think CCP funded the last 2 tourneys for instance). There is a very good argument that says as this is such a cool thing perhaps CCP should buy out evetv and bring them in-house. If they did that then I would say it should be a free to subscribers service. However have we had a statement from EvETV on here? Do they want to be bought?
For the moment I'm happy to fork out a few pennies to watch every now and then.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 12:50:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Cloud Strive
Originally by: Tal Ribek
I pay enough in subscriptions as it is, you should have kept it free but with advertising, come to think of it you'll probably have advertising in anyway lol.
Thanks but no thanks.
SIGNED!
Let it be 1.50 or 15 per show, doesnt matter but this realy sux bigtime, first the moneymaker thingy with this rediculous Teletuby Baby CCG stuff. Then you can not even download the "the iron tide" screenshoot anymore because it only can be baught as a poster now. And now you got to pay to get the latest news on eve and watch the next turney! An ingame match!!!! Its not about how much it is, i can easely afford 1.50 per show but when something that once started out as a Projekt that the developers had FUN in turns into a money maker machine i dunno..... does everything has to turn out into Money making? Why the Comerce? Where is the love for this game?
I'm pretty sure that the next tournament will be free to view.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.13 13:01:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm pretty sure that the next tournament will be free to view.
Yep, it was explicitly stated in the last live dev blog with Xyliana and Zapatero that the tournaments would be broadcast free of charge.
Not sure how many times they need to say it before folks will grasp that particular point. A few more times are in order, apparently. :)
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Shao'lin
Balls Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 18:37:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm pretty sure that the next tournament will be free to view.
Yep, it was explicitly stated in the last live dev blog with Xyliana and Zapatero that the tournaments would be broadcast free of charge.
Not sure how many times they need to say it before folks will grasp that particular point. A few more times are in order, apparently. :)
I made a post specifically asking that and was told in a rather impolite manner to look in the eve-tv faq. It said that eve tv costs blah blah..... and I assumed since it was a moderator who replied that the tournament was the same as eve-tv.
I hope thats true that it is free.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.13 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shao'linI made a post specifically asking that and was told in a rather impolite manner to look in the eve-tv faq. It said that eve tv costs blah blah..... and I assumed since it was a moderator who replied that the tournament was the same as eve-tv.
I hope thats true that it is free.[/quote
Yeah, like I said that question was specifically asked of the EVE TV folks during the last EVE live dev blog thingy, to which they responded that it would be free. Which is a good thing really. If it wasn't, it would probably go down in history as being the least-watched tournament ever. :)
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Shao'lin
Balls Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 20:23:00 -
[165]
awesome.
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Andrymeda
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Posted - 2007.07.13 20:51:00 -
[166]
I'm going to wait a year and see if its still around. If so, then I will push for donations.
However, it would be nice to see archived shows, especially the older they get. If not that, then a few free previews, say about 30 seconds is not asking for much.
I won't pay for it today, sight unseen.
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King Fury
Caldari
Fury Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 16:30:00 -
[167]
If we pay, will it be better quality? As some fights ive seen previously seemed lagged? So will it be better bandwith, or whatever it is that gives better quality?
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.07.15 18:27:00 -
[168]
shame the people who make eve tv know eff all about eve, take episode one profile the rokh the caldari's one and only battleship lol yeah ok.
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Sakaki Karazawa
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.07.15 18:49:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Sakaki Karazawa on 15/07/2007 18:50:09
On bandwidth used in video content deliverance, desync, a well-known movie broadcasting SHOUTcast stream runs movies at 624kbps. Not a plug, just saying that if they haven't gone down while broadcasting high-bitrate large files, then bandwidth can't cost *too* much.
From their stream status:
Quote:
Stream Status: Stream is up at 800 kbps with 176 of 1000 listeners (173 unique)
Listener Peak: 393
We could assume that not *every single player* would be watching EVETV. Note that Desync has about 1000 listener slots, which I'm assuming would be a safe number to choose in anticipating how many would watch EVETV in general.
Taking this into account, a few (possibly) 30 minute episodes of EVETV would be easily sent out without too much bandwidth costs. If a few guys running this out of their garage can do it out of pocket, and still maintain, then surely a corporation with a large profit margin such as CCP could do it as well.
My vote is, make it free, and for god's sake drop that shady looking service. It's not even out of beta yet. Hell, use SHOUTcast to broadcast it. Almost everyone has Winamp, and Winamp running video is much less intensive than running a browser, which is running flash, which is running video. =P Plus, it can be listened to safely while having EVE open. =P
P.S.: If monetary concerns are still on the table, just throw in some ads every now and then. There don't *seem* to be any Adbusters groupies around here, so it's probably safe to do so. =P
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.15 19:38:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Fanjita
shame the people who make eve tv know eff all about eve, take episode one profile the rokh the caldari's one and only battleship lol yeah ok.
I seriously have no idea how you managed to phase in and out of watching that to get the idea we think the Caldari only have one battleship. Several times its compared to the other bs and it even ends in a joint formation with the raven and scorp with the voice over specifically commenting on the diverse range that the Caldari battleships have.
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.07.15 20:23:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Fanjita
shame the people who make eve tv know eff all about eve, take episode one profile the rokh the caldari's one and only battleship lol yeah ok.
i think you'll find the quote was the caldari's one and only sniper battleship. i know posting on the forums is generally a lot easier than reading a line of text, but the latter can often save the former
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fanjita on 16/07/2007 22:23:28
Originally by: EVETV spiralJunkie
Originally by: Fanjita
shame the people who make eve tv know eff all about eve, take episode one profile the rokh the caldari's one and only battleship lol yeah ok.
i think you'll find the quote was the caldari's one and only sniper battleship. i know posting on the forums is generally a lot easier than reading a line of text, but the latter can often save the former
Try reading the front page of the site for the show you host sometime.
Here ill help in case its too hard for you http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.07.17 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Edited by: Fanjita on 16/07/2007 22:23:28
Originally by: EVETV spiralJunkie
Originally by: Fanjita
shame the people who make eve tv know eff all about eve, take episode one profile the rokh the caldari's one and only battleship lol yeah ok.
i think you'll find the quote was the caldari's one and only sniper battleship. i know posting on the forums is generally a lot easier than reading a line of text, but the latter can often save the former
Try reading the front page of the site for the show you host sometime.
Here ill help in case its too hard for you http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
why yes, you're right. we lost a word somewhere. i'll look into it today. many apologies
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Velios
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Velios on 17/07/2007 10:29:41
I think the EVE TV is a great and exciting initiative, I remember the first tourney and the buzz that there was at the time, people felt that EVE was really going places and this all seemed very unique and fresh!... The fact that this game that we all had been playing for years was breaking new ground!
I would prefer not to pay for EVE-TV however, I know that the actual cost is small but I would love it if CCP could somehow finance the production and delivery of this show because after all it is the very existence of things like EVE-TV that elevate the game above and beyond it's rivals.
Eve subscribers being "treated" to this extra content their loyalty would create a massive amount of good will and feel good factor among the player base.
I really want to watch EVE-TV, however I currently run 7 eve accounts and there has to be limits to what I spend. Maybe there is a way of getting credits for EVE-TV based upon your subscription to EVE?
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Linda kays
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:50:00 -
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I for one vote for adverts VS. not being able to pay via the "eve-online" website. I haven't seen a single show yet, and it's seems it'll take a while before I'll do, as a few people have already said I don't mind paying to see the show, but I will not subscibe to a service provide not already having my credit card info. I had the same feel with Eve-voice just the other way around, I see it would be a nice thing, but really since I never used the service at all, why pay for it. (Considering to pay anyway just for having the option to join a channel, even though it's highly unlikely).
But I'd really love to see the shows, and I think they are good, having hooked up all the podcasts I could find anywhere, having a tv-show too would be great. I've even have the 1st. torney loaded into my HD-DVD player so I can watch when ever I have the time.
I've even gotten the Torney DVD, which I'm a bit displease with, a bit grindy and can't see the full picture.
Buttom line is I, no matter how much I desire it, will not see any of the show, untill they are available to me through a "Thrusted" vendor, say Eve-store / EON-store / CCP them self, you need a link on the eve-online website before I'll register anywhere.
What I do know is: EveTV is a great project, and I truly hope it'll survive as long as say CONCORD 
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Battle Pope
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Posted - 2007.07.17 18:52:00 -
[176]
I'm going to assume eve tv has been an epic failure so far.
You see anytime CCP does anything without screwing up, they announce it the whole word on the website with numbers and stats and such. Since we haven't seen anything like that about eve tv we can assume its not doing well.
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nickycakes
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.17 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm pretty sure that the next tournament will be free to view.
Yep, it was explicitly stated in the last live dev blog with Xyliana and Zapatero that the tournaments would be broadcast free of charge.
Not sure how many times they need to say it before folks will grasp that particular point. A few more times are in order, apparently. :)
I'm pretty sure people understand that there will be a free stream, dude. A laggy, low-res, unreliable, unwatchable stream, which essentially forces the viewers to buy the "premium" stream which will undoubtedly be sub-par as well.
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Duana
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.17 22:51:00 -
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For a second, I saw the word credits and thought, oh... somehow I can spend ISK to buy this. Then I'm like zomgwtfbbq$$$.
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Quebnaric Deile
Fabulous Soulcatchers
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.07.17 23:08:00 -
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I prefer it as a pay to watch. I can steam the 1000k feed no problem. It doesn't cost much. I'd much rather pay than have ads or slow feeds.
Each show is improving leaps and bounds over the previous. The pilot episode was pretty bad, but the later episodes are really shaping up.
Keep up the good work.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:36:00 -
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Sorry, but I would not pay to watch a bunch of barely beyond adolescent kids with a really expensive camera.
If it had advertisements I probably still would not watch it.
As someone already stated: if this was wildly successful it would be on the front page and advertised all over the place.
I don't care if it costs $1.50 US or $10.00 US.
I make $100,000 a year where the average wage is $28,000
Broke, I am not.
Keep trying CCP, just like you try with the isk farmer and isk buyers.
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Mako Raddick
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.07.20 10:00:00 -
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i just signed up to watch eve tv, however may be its me or my computer but i was disappointed due to buffering, every few mins the show would pause whilst it buffered. am i doing something wrong?
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The Provisioner
Amarr
Neutral Ground
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Posted - 2007.07.20 10:27:00 -
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No, if you can see it, you're doing everything correctly. The buffering is probably down their delivery network. (or if you're watching fullscreen, it could be down to the flash player 9 limitation - theres an update on the adobe site for flash player 9 that gives 30% better video performance)
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Posted - 2007.07.20 11:04:00 -
[183]
Personally Im not going to pay for it. Its a good show and its entertaining at times, but its not something I cant do without. Ive watched about 50 of my 200 free money and Im saving the rest for quickly viewing parts of future episodes.
I wouldnt pay to watch Friends, Scrubs, Seinfeld etc, and that doesnt have anything to do with the quality of the shows. They are good and so are Eve TV, but when there are so many other free shows out there to spend your time with, I dont feel that paying extra for this show is really worth it.
I would pay if it was a show I felt I couldnt do without, but nothing on TV (or the internet) ever makes me feel that way. Im a tough customer.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.07.20 11:47:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Mako Rad****
i just signed up to watch eve tv, however may be its me or my computer but i was disappointed due to buffering, every few mins the show would pause whilst it buffered. am i doing something wrong?
Well, just so you know, I watched the first 3 episodes at max quality (1000k) and had no buffering problems at all.
Maybe I've got a good path to thier server or maybe you just need a decent internet line (I've got a 24Mb line from BeThere - highly recommended ;)). I certainly don't think anything is lacking at thier end though.
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14of12
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Posted - 2007.07.20 14:52:00 -
[185]
Pay too watch Eve, you can better watch a nice episode of stargate instead it is free.
Only the rich children watch, the one with brains play eve themselves as too look at such stupid Eve TV.
The only thing they are good in is too shoot each other there brains in.
Never have I seen mining contests.
Or Trade contest the first who reaches 100 mil profit a hauler.
So nothing interesting on EVE TV then.
AK out
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OReilly
Amarr
NEWS CORPORATION
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:11:00 -
[186]
i realy wonder after the 4th show when about all the people finished the free credits what rating they have?
I'm frustrated i can't see this show for free but for sure i will not pay any extramoney for him. Like eve-voice those extra-features will become to be useless.
I dont think they will have enough people to pay&watch for this.
If these features are 100% without financial support from CCP they will bankrupt soon
If these features are suported financial by CCP than its unfair to pay for them. They will not make too much money from this pay to watch eve-tv but for sure they will gain lots and lots customers who will watch for free a tourney, or a discussion or something else. And i dont speak how many customers who wants to quit eve / or quit already will change their minds and will start playing again when they will see some new features or something else.
Pretty bad for the people and the work involved to develop this if they will continue to keep in this pay to watch.
i realy want to see how many paid to see the last episode?
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Hanani
Minmatar
A Black Knight Corp
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:10:00 -
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I would watch it every week, as i do enjoy this sort of thing. However I wouldn't pay for it in it's current setup. I am no big fan of pay per view, and more so for pay per review (bandwidth is cheap, so why?) I also don't like paying the third party, (how much of my credits actually go right to the production?)
However:
I enjoy hearing the stories of alliance "a" lost their egg by a raid from alliance "y"
It is fun to get in touch with the parts of the game that i miss when not online, or to see the actual video and hear the actual player accounts of what happened in events that are all the rage in alliance chat.
I liked this, and i see it as enjoyable and informative. A wonderful tool of immersion into eve, and I would watch it every week that it comes out.
So while it is great, I just don't see myself buying into it in it's current format.
Not to seem too lazy (or tin foil hatty) to enter my CC# and start an account with a company that I have never ever seen before...
I would be far more inclined to actually continue paying for the show; if instead i can just choose add 3-5usd to my eve subscription and subscribe to a video podcast and download an avi (DRM = Evil). Such a subscription method would hide the extra cost from the thrifty part of me, while keeping the show funded. :)
Just shooting an idea for delivery, for the payment method that I stated above.
Instead of sending an avi, or a flash embedded movie to the viewer (both still viable options, although i like avi more than flash). How about the option to view it in game? You would pay per month, and the months that you pay you get full access to current and the past archives of video. It can be a form of immersion, I bet they have TV in new eden. Plus you have the benefit of supplying in game links right with the video, and can be a platform for further projects (think CONCORD live video announcements of danger areas, new format for storyline, faction or maybe even player owned in game TV or Radio stations.)
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Manta Avoid
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: JimmyThePimp
working from the perspective of a brit, im not sure if anyone sugested this yet, cant be arsed to sift through but:
people are calling this a news channel. you dont pay your news channel to watch it, you pay a tax to the state and THEY fund the news channel. we are paying our tax (subscription) to the state (CCP, you are the gvt of eve), so surely they should be funding this (since its run by an outside company, just like your regular news channels) from our taxes and giving it us as a free service.
frankly, i couldnt care less. i dont intend to watch, i didnt like what i saw with my free credits and im ****ed off i had to give my email to a shoddy fourth rate streaming company to find this out. just pointing out how this exact same situation is handled in the real world.
I totally agree. Stuff the 3rd party crap, I dont get on my PC to watch fictional news about a game I pay enough for.
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Rooster
Amarr
Man Evolved
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Posted - 2007.07.24 20:49:00 -
[189]
LOL @ paying to watch EVE-TV.
Next they'll start charging additional cash to post in the forums :P
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l4mp3h
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Posted - 2007.07.25 10:12:00 -
[190]
yeah, exactly, flocking LOL - did EA just become a major stock holder in ccp or wtf is going on?
this is like paying for movies or sucky single player games, just dumber.
next thing is probably micro payments for eve chronicles delivered in a proprietary format only readable on windows
blow me
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