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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.01.18 10:47:00 -
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I had a GM in my non-npc belt last week, he didn't say anything about it being illegal or an exploit. In fact he laughed about the npc spawns in the proper belts ......
As for you skillz, it's not an exploit, go whine to ccp.
And skillz you'd be the first to whine about megacyte prices anyway.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.01.18 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: RagnarH on 17/01/2004 19:57:24
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They should be banned, like any other exploiters.
sure, let's ban half of Curse-alliance members
Yes, and lets ban all of SA/evol for always hiding in safespots, wich is no different from mining in safespots.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.01.18 11:51:00 -
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You don't even have to look for gridbugged belts, you stumble upon them while mining without looking for them.
I usually do ninjamining, but sometimes it happens that the NPC rats are bugged. They don't move, don't respawn, don't lock...they just sit there. So I should just pack my stuff and get out because I'm exploiting?
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.18 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 18/01/2004 07:45:20
Explore the galaxy in Yulai, close to the gate to Amarr. From there you can shoot people without interference.
So why is mining without NPCs that are supposed to be there not an exploit but mining PC without NPCs that are supposed there, to be an exploit?
Hypocrits.
skillz is telling the simple truth here.
somehow the word exploit is used rather fast with certain combat styles, while "weird" ways of making money pass unnoticed.
it s been said before, risk reward is slightly out of balance in this game.
the only counterbalance to this could come from PC pirates. great that they are stopped by insta jump bookmarks from doing their job.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 18/01/2004 16:37:20
Edit : i won't tell you what to do and i won't give you bad ideas 
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:28:00 -
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And i supposed you have the ability to warp to someone in local??? How the hell are people supposed to kill grid exploiters? Explore every frigging inch of the darn solar system?
Really the hypocrisy about grid exploiting when its a gate, and not being grid exploiting when its a belt is ****ing me off....
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:35:00 -
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instead of whining that people is making a lot of isk without any risk in hidden belts, why you don't do your job and kill them ? you are acting exactly like npc pirates... you don't look for what you can't see
instead of whining that ppl are killing you without any risk, why don t you do your job and avoid the grid-bugged gates? you are exactly like NPC convoys, running into the death that you can see
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.01.18 16:44:00 -
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never had that problem
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lickspittle
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Posted - 2004.01.19 11:22:00 -
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If you know of an asteroid belt where people are doing this, please e-mail a description of how to reproduce this bug there to [email protected].
I need some example locations to reproduce this in to ensure any fix that gets made works across the board.
-- Richard
CCP Programmer. Anything said above is not the official line, but my own take or opinion. |
Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.01.19 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 19/01/2004 11:41:32
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If you know of an asteroid belt where people are doing this, please e-mail a description of how to reproduce this bug there to [email protected].
I need some example locations to reproduce this in to ensure any fix that gets made works across the board.
That means that hidden belts aren't intentional ?
but why ? i think it's fun to have to explore an area of space which is not on the system objects list 
anyway you don't have to exploit any flaw of the game... just use a frigate with mwd, and navigate with your scanner for some time (depending on your speed) if you find something.
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2004.01.19 11:47:00 -
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An exploit is an exploit.
"Men are going to die..
and im going to kill them". |
Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.01.19 11:49:00 -
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Make the belts very rare, and have them move once every two days. Suddenly... no need for banning 
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:07:00 -
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This is funny but sad.
Two known PVP exploiters (and usually more) just can't put down that doll they picked up in their rage as they wave it around screaming their little lungs off.
If anyone is not PVP-ing AND not in mortal danger EVERY second, then they are "carebearing" and "exploiting" and "don't have a place in EVE"
If you want EVE to be a FPS, just give us unlimited respawns of our ships if they are insured. Just give us CounterStrike in space eh! 
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:55:00 -
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WTF?!?! Since when is using you brain an exploit? Why dont you people get off of your fat lazy a$$es and find hidden belts to find for yourselves? It is not that hard. See there is this tool called a "scanner"...You are all patheetic cry baby losers with no imagination, creativity, or ambition. You want to sit back and just whine about everyone else that is more successfull than you and find ways to call them exploiters.
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.01.19 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 19/01/2004 13:59:26
Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 19/01/2004 13:58:51
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Kurtz.
There would be megacyte and zydrine.
People would just have to work together using teamwork instead of doing things solo. The spawns arent hard just get a team together and do it. No I in team... So on so forth
i love it when ppl say such things but don't have a clue how bad the spawns can be.
get real you need 5+ bs to protect a mining op.
the empire guys were already whining when mega was 20k per unit, make us mine it with 5+bs just for cover and we sell it for 50k per unit.
Once npc spawns are fixed it's an other thing, but atm mining in 0.0 belts is almost impossible. mining in empire would make more money.
Amen, BECAUSE of the fact that people have found a way to mine Bistot, mineral, and naturally ship prices, will and have go down. Will you all be happy when you get your way and BS prices skyrocket again? ID10TS.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.01.19 14:21:00 -
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Kurtz.
There would be megacyte and zydrine.
People would just have to work together using teamwork instead of doing things solo. The spawns arent hard just get a team together and do it. No I in team... So on so forth
utter bolix.
A 3 BS spawn, with 10 Cruisers in Gurristas space, will cost you AT LEASt 3 BS, no matter who you are.
Fix the bloody NPC to a manageable level for lets say, a 10 BS Operation, and you'll not have people using hidden belts, as its not that plentiful in hidden belts, and is a hassle.
That said, Hidden belt mining is ok, grid exploiting, is verging on the dodgy, but whilst everyone else is doing it, so shall most others.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Other Minion
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Posted - 2004.01.19 14:40:00 -
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Well no need to debate this because I'm getting told that as of this recent downtime it has been 'fixed'.
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2004.01.19 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lockheed on 19/01/2004 15:16:20
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It is an exploit.
Ban them. They are making obscene ammount of isk with absolutely no risk (not kidding about this, no risk at all) sometimes AFK in industrial ships.
It is just wrong.
pirating is an exploit[tm].
Ban them. These are power gamers bent on the destruction of the game (not kidding about this, grid hunting no risk at all) sometimes afk in scorps.
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WTF?!?! Since when is using you brain an exploit? Why dont you people get off of your fat lazy a$$es and find hidden belts to find for yourselves? It is not that hard. See there is this tool called a "scanner"...You are all patheetic cry baby losers with no imagination, creativity, or ambition. You want to sit back and just whine about everyone else that is more successfull than you and find ways to call them exploiters.
Pirates have become TOTAL dam*ed whiners. You see the alts posting that started this discussion. If ccp has taken this out there will be zero solo ship mining in 0.0.
Which will further kill more accounts by ccp listening to pirates and their alts. BELIEVE IT
CCP, if you are truely doing this, just remember there is 2 sides to this story.
I have seen petitions go up to about 10 per day per pirate. Every word they are saying is exploit, grid...
Why do they get the benefit of getting ships back after they petition? why is logging off saving their ships still? They attack at 100 k where frigates have to use mwd to get near them.. by that time the frigate is dead due to the f90/sensor booster stack(which pirates found out first). Therefore frigs are useless in large scale battles.
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2004.01.19 15:22:00 -
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No, they don't want to do team work. Mostly beacuse they are silly stuff strutters.
Everything you say gets more idiotic.
Not everyone can schedule time to play with others, ie time zones, rl problems/emergencies.
Power gamers like you that look for every exploit possible are ruining the game, but when someone else finds a profitable way to get minerals to build ships to fight you in, you cry. If it were up 2 u skills there would be zero sentury guns, no concord, no place to hide for n00bs, and 10 to 20 n00bs per day carrying big ticket blueprints going 120km/s 60k distance to the gate in a bestower.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.19 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Blade Durrant on 19/01/2004 15:45:26
Im neither a pirate or an alt and i sure as hell aint a carebear. And yes grid mining is an exploit. GM Xhaghen said it this morning in the help channel. PIRATING IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. The only real reason ganking happens is: *drumroll*.
Sentry Guns. If it wasnt for sentry guns, you would see a lot less 60km shoot everything in site blockades, and a lot more action in empire space. Sadly though, sentries are here to stay, grid mining is not. Xhagen said that grid problems will be gone in the next patch. So whenever the next patch rolls around, no more grid mining. And alot of these so called "hidden belts" are really just part of the same asteroid belt, so in reality, its still grid mining.
As Miz said: "An Exploit is an Exploit"
And if people knew how to configure ships to kill npc rats fast, maybe they could mine low sec. Tachyons, 1400s, and 425s ARENT the only large weapons in the game you know. A tempest with 800s, a Mega with Neutrons, and an Apoc with close range weapons kills cruiser rats at 25km in 15-30 seconds. Jeez people, do some thinking...Now if the rats jump in at 25k, i need to kill them in under 2 minutes....what do i need to equip to do that...pt blank weapons. Is that that difficult to understand? Understand the game, think about the problems, find a solution. Oh and use cruisers to mine not battleships.
BTW Miz I love your sig. Kudo's to you or whoever made it.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.01.19 15:36:00 -
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MINING OFF GRID IS OK...
If the devs have the off-grid fields move every day .
No more camping that sweet offgrid field... you'll have to find another tomorrow 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.19 15:39:00 -
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WTF?!?! Since when is using you brain an exploit? Why dont you people get off of your fat lazy a$$es and find hidden belts to find for yourselves? It is not that hard. See there is this tool called a "scanner"...You are all patheetic cry baby losers with no imagination, creativity, or ambition. You want to sit back and just whine about everyone else that is more successfull than you and find ways to call them exploiters.
Odd...how many people screamed m0o was exploiting when they used their brains, imagination, creativity and ambition to wtfpwnkthnxb1 people at Mara/Passari using stamped heat sinks and surgical strike?
How many people screamed Space Invaders was exploiting wht they used their brains, imagination, creativity and ambition to tank the sentry guns?
Odd what people will attempt to justify to protect their wallets, ain't it?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:16:00 -
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Odd what people will attempt to justify to protect their wallets, ain't it?
Yep, that is what you are doing right now by trying to get this taken away insted of looking for your own hidden belts. Hidden belts make things fun. Its exciting looking for them and finding them. I say keep them. There is nothing keeping you lazy tools from making money in them.
And dont compare this to the Grid Griefers, that's just silly.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:21:00 -
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If ccp has taken this out there will be zero solo ship mining in 0.0.
Duh.
When carebears get threatened...
It doesn't happen very often, but the reactions are priceless.
hidden belts - I don't have a problem with.
grid belts - exploit.
And suddenly everyone is up in arms; "WHAT DO YUO MEAN I CAN'T MINE BISTOT ON MY OWN. OMGS NO FAIR!!"
CAREBEARS: KNOW YOUR LIMITS.
Solo bist mining is what happens when an exploiter stumbles across an exploit.
The people who claim the most ignorance of this, are the ones who are making the most money from it. Strange coincidence, or just greedy ****ers?
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Heine Shaver
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:23:00 -
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If I recalll correctly didn't one of the devs mention that when players learn strategys and get some t2 they will be able to mine again.
Well one strategy I learned is you lose battleships to ctd's when 20 guys spawn and start the river of missles.
The other strategy I learned is that modules don't kick on for 15 seconds sometimes when you get spawned on.
Ban the npc lag exploiters, insta targeters(even when I'm in a frigate) and then the super corps with 5-10 bs's will mine in a non-exploit manner(since no one else can).
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:31:00 -
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Odd what people will attempt to justify to protect their wallets, ain't it?
Yep, that is what you are doing right now by trying to get this taken away insted of looking for your own hidden belts. Hidden belts make things fun. Its exciting looking for them and finding them. I say keep them. There is nothing keeping you lazy tools from making money in them.
And dont compare this to the Grid Griefers, that's just silly.
1) I buy all my minerals because I can't be arsed to pay 12.95 per month to let my Mammoth stare at an arkanor roid for hours while I go play another game on another PC. So if the majority of the high end minerals are coming from off grid mining, I'm going to take a hit in the wallet. And I still say it's an exploit.
2) I never said a single thing about grid griefing, now did I.
This is about the point where Viceroy delivers a box of cookies for you.
kthnxb1! 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 19/01/2004 16:45:18
Hey don't flame ! i'm asking seriously about those hidden belts ...
It seems logic to me that there aren't only a hundred of asteroids in a solar system, and that asteroids belts usually cover more than an area of 200km radius (and that pirates can't cover every asteroid in a system).
And If it was a bug you will find only one or two, in the universe, but there are hidden belts , in venal, in fountain, and in almost every region from what i heard. That's why i'm asking, it's not evident to define this as an exploit, i thought it was intentional before the dev's post .
I'm asking to a dev (if they have the time :p) to explain if :
- the hidden belts existence is intentional
- If it's the fact that there aren't pirates in these hidden belts, is the "bug".
and what will be done about that :
- npc pirates spawns in belts , if there is too much people mining ?
- deletion of every belt outside the "marked" belts ?
Anyway i'm not trying to defend this cause, it's their game and it's their job to build it the way they want to... but finding objects in space with scanner is really fun 
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Roba
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:41:00 -
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Lol, leave an indy afk in 0.0 space and any pc pirate that knows how to use a scanner will pod you.
Also this created a profession in eve, well style. Scouting.
I can tell you this though. With this removed mega prices will shoot up to over 25k - 30k within 2 weeks.
The reason it droped to 12k was because of this grid mining. Unless they make the rats half the strength they are now it will not be profitable to mining ops. Why because right now it takes about 10 battleships to pull an op to mine this stuff. And those ten BS make a big mark on the map, and that mark calls PC pirates who know that they will have an easy time killing apocs fitted with miners and other bs's fitted for rat killing.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:50:00 -
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right, selling mega 30k per unit is better than 20k
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Sharon Osbourne
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sharon Osbourne on 19/01/2004 16:56:25
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Lol, leave an indy afk in 0.0 space and any pc pirate that knows how to use a scanner will pod you.
Also this created a profession in eve, well style. Scouting.
I can tell you this though. With this removed mega prices will shoot up to over 25k - 30k within 2 weeks.
The reason it droped to 12k was because of this grid mining. Unless they make the rats half the strength they are now it will not be profitable to mining ops. Why because right now it takes about 10 battleships to pull an op to mine this stuff. And those ten BS make a big mark on the map, and that mark calls PC pirates who know that they will have an easy time killing apocs fitted with miners and other bs's fitted for rat killing.
exactally, the pirates just want to bend the game to their will every way possible. Voicing their crapinons and petitioning every day .... is too much crying for big tough pirates.
It is becomming expected though.
Sooner or later the devs/gm's will be deaf to the begging and pleading of pirates.
Still they love to say that carebears r teh l337 whiners.
Seems to me that people that whine the least amount would be the ones that the devs respect the most. We have come to deal with the harshness of castor and yet the pirates want it harder.. guess what mr pirate... "shut your cake hole, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!!" ...teh rock
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