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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.19 16:57:00 -
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Hmm as i recall most of the major changes in this game are the result of whining from carebears....
Lets see:
Sentry Guns
Concord on steroids
No decaying sec rating
More sentry guns
Im sure there's more, but im still hungover from last night.
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.19 17:00:00 -
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Hmm as i recall most of the major changes in this game are the result of whining from carebears....
Lets see:
Sentry Guns
Concord on steroids
No decaying sec rating
More sentry guns
Im sure there's more, but im still hungover from last night.
without these implementations people like tankceo would have been in 1.0 killing noobs and hauling his ore in every day with his alt.
That was to do away with exploiting which is still done. Im really supprised at the tollerance lvl ccp has developed for pirates.. ie.. no more than a slap on the wrist. Next week new exploit.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.19 17:02:00 -
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Without pirates there would be no economy, no economy would mean no reason to build ships/equipment/ammo, no reason to build above means no reason to mine, no reason to mine means no reason to do anything, therefore the game will die. PVP RUNS THE ECONOMY.
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.19 17:13:00 -
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Without pirates there would be no economy, no economy would mean no reason to build ships/equipment/ammo, no reason to build above means no reason to mine, no reason to mine means no reason to do anything, therefore the game will die. PVP RUNS THE ECONOMY.
Without minerals there would be no ships, no ammo, NO ECONOMY, lol where do you get your ideas they are both needed, not in equal numbers for sure, so you cannot give too much power to the pirates or the NEW BLOOD comming into the game will quit if all they get is ganked.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.19 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Blade Durrant on 19/01/2004 17:20:35
Personally i think if i was a n00b just starting i would rahter have asteroid belts in my home system than gate guns....
Dont want to get ganked??
Then dont go where ganking happens. Avoiding orvolle, ostingale, amamake, auroheren, and choke points increases your chances of not getting podded by 99%.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.01.19 17:19:00 -
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i've have noticed a increase of CTD while mining since the patch. Also have noticed ALOT of lag since patch
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babyblue
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Posted - 2004.01.19 18:30:00 -
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It depends (the original question). As I don't know how to use this cheat, its a bad thing. If someone were to tell me all about how to do it, then it'll suddenly become a useful game feature.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.19 19:44:00 -
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Without pirates there would be no economy, no economy would mean no reason to build ships/equipment/ammo, no reason to build above means no reason to mine, no reason to mine means no reason to do anything, therefore the game will die. PVP RUNS THE ECONOMY.
PVP runs economy
Pirates don't
PVP amongst corps such as PFOM/Oracle and PIE, now that's some good fun
PVP where ships are killed in Aurohunen, Orvolle etc simply to pick up the loot... not even fun for the gankers
I think most of the pirates are probably the type we know from:
Counter-Strike
Instead of defusing the bomb he runs to the other bomb site to see if the remaining terrorists are still there so he can shoot them - TEAM LOSES
Team Fortress
Instead of babysitting the VIP he rocketjumps on top of a spawn point and kills the lone snipers appearing there - TEAM LOSES
Quake
Yep, jumps to the railgun and sits in his corner sniping... l33t skills - TEAM LOSES
In EVE, the TEAM LOSING is CCP and the rest of the players.
Sure, pirating should be possible, it just shouldn't be the mainstream profession it's become.
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.01.19 19:46:00 -
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Are there any hidden belts (belts so big you need the scanner to find some of the roids) in empire space?
Are >90% of the hidden belts in 0.0 space?
Do you think this is some kind of strange coincidence?
It's called logic.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.01.19 20:12:00 -
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They aren't hidden belts.. You guys make it sound like they are some type of feature like hidden pirate bases.
Silly how people try to justify cheating.
Ok.. Go ahead and exploit the grid problem. I personally don't care. In this case I blame it on CCP because they suck. Pirates are stupidly difficult to even hunt let known mine around. And how stupid is it to make items in one grid invisible to everything in the adjoining grids.
Ok.. I think it's perfectly fine for you to take advantage of this.. People need the minerals. And no one gets hurt.
But to sit here and say it is in no way an exploit. That's denial or something.
To me that's as dumb as the people that say when you jettison ore while mining, it's no longer yours.. It's your pirate given right to steal ore from a miner. But to sit there and say.. "Oh.. Well I thought you didn't want the ore no more because you jettisoned it". And to actually believe that.. Well you get the idea.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.19 20:12:00 -
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Show me a gridline that extends 1500 km from the belt and I'll admit that hidden belts don't exists, only gridbugs... 
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.19 20:18:00 -
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lol.
this is weird!!!
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Ramman
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Posted - 2004.01.19 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ramman on 19/01/2004 21:27:35
Admittedly I only read the "first" page of responses to this topic.
One important point about the "hidden" belts was not mentioned.
Hidden belts are a realistic construct of a dynamic system, not an exploit! Not every belt could ever possibly be camped by NPC's in RL so why should they be in EVE?
Leave the hidden belts alone and they will eventually run out.
Ramman out... 
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.19 22:42:00 -
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Actually there are always a certain number of belts that are unguarded for brief periods of time. Thats what let us all ninja mine early on.
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.01.20 01:57:00 -
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You people who are against the hidden belts just don't get it do you? Not every corp has tons of members in BS who can actually make money by mining in the belts. What little ore there is in hidden belts is just perfect for the small corps who can spend time looking for it. There is a ton more bist in the regular belts we're lucky to find 2 roids in 1 hidden belt. They are there for a reason so leave us explorers alone, we need to make a living also!
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.20 02:09:00 -
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If you know of an asteroid belt where people are doing this, please e-mail a description of how to reproduce this bug there to [email protected].
Directly from a dev himself. So have a cookie about it not being an exploit.
I'm a freedom fighter, I fight for freedom from.
1) Exploiters in general
2) 24/7 Macro miners
3) Gridbug exploiters
4) Jade Constatine (Only kidding)
5) Carebears
6) Teletubbies
7) Mining drones
8) 7 million skillpoint old nubs
And when we gank an industrial full of arkonor, we know that we have corrected an exploiters illgotten gain.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.20 02:27:00 -
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Good 'ole skillz, always there to entertain me with his posts.
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AndoJin
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:07:00 -
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Well I know Venal uses the Grid Exploit all the time, that is the only way they can mine.
Kill the Exploiters!
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Errol Dinn
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:22:00 -
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Skillz, define a gridbug exploit. I thought it was the lamers in Yulai and what not firing through the grid and killing people. Now mind you I've only been playing for about two months so I'm not the most well informed person out there but from what I've read grids are about 250KM x 250KM x 250KM.
How is a belt 1500KM away from a main belt a grid bug exploit? That's at least four entire grids away from the belt making it a hidden belt not a grid bug. Now the belts that are just on the other side of the gridline that don't get a pirate spawn, I could agree with but again thats different from a belt 1500KM away from the main belt.
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Totty
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:28:00 -
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Good luck to anyone who finds a belt that's rat free and full of arkonor. If this is not meant to be a game feature, then belts should be sited where there isn't a grid problem, and hidden belts removed.
You can't seriously expect people not to touch, if its there.
I see this as very different to the Yulai gate issue, where other innocent players were exploited in a supposedly secure place.
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.01.20 23:57:00 -
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I've been finding "phantom" asteroids since early launch, and have gotten quite good at it. I don't think these are "off grid" asteroids, as they're more than 500km away from any "charted" belt. Some of them are as much as 2000km away.
I always thought they were intentional, sort of "lost rocks" or part of pseudo-LaGrange points or an Oort cloud. I mean, even when you get really good at finding these things (and I think I'm really good, by this point) they can still take hours to find. Granted, once you find them you can more or less mine unmolested (depends on where, after all), but they're still a lot of work to locate, and they don't last forever.
I recall from beta someone at CCP saying they intended asteroid belts to be spread out over a huge area--essentially orbiting the star in their systems--the way they are in reality. I thought the recent "huge belt" addition was a step in that direction.
I've seen the "off grid" asteroids, too--these are different from these "phantom" rocks because they exist in regular-seeming "chains" of rocks within roughly 200km or so of a "charted" belt.
Anyway. I've emailed Richard about it. If it's an exploit, I think front page news or notification on log-in would be in order. As so many have said, CCP has dealt very lightly with exploiters in the past, and though I hate exploits and refuse to use them, there is a feeling of "well, the folks that are exploiting are just getting ahead." Bit hard to play nice when the not-so-nice are getting more kills and more isk.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.01.21 12:25:00 -
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Without pirates there would be no economy, no economy would mean no reason to build ships/equipment/ammo, no reason to build above means no reason to mine, no reason to mine means no reason to do anything, therefore the game will die. PVP RUNS THE ECONOMY.
Without minerals there would be no ships, no ammo, NO ECONOMY, lol where do you get your ideas they are both needed, not in equal numbers for sure, so you cannot give too much power to the pirates or the NEW BLOOD comming into the game will quit if all they get is ganked.
ya know it is called low sec space for a reason.
If you can't handle a challenge i suggest you dont leave .5 or above space mr. whino
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Alexa Varajan
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Posted - 2004.01.21 13:16:00 -
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Mebee it would be an idea to tone down a bit the size of the rocks in hidden belts (or isn't that possible)?
I admit, I know of such locations. 2 of em had like 15'000m3 ark in them, mineable in in any ship u like and not even that far form a station.
So in Megacyte alone, these 2 locations where valued at +650 Million.
Some people got stinky rich since castor (too bad I'm no mining char...)
I'm not agains hidden belts. But the amount of money in them at the moment is obscene compared to the very low risk..
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SinBin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:41:00 -
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Hi all didnt read it all soz & bit late to, im a scout & love such things, CCP need add more top ores in random place & hidden belt. As a new small corp 0.0 is only good at the crossing witch is full of pirates & over mined & the rest is sitting at the concouerble station in the hand of massive alliances that aint very nice & realy suspect of everything & anyone.
The only reason for someone to complain " Elenia " is cos you cant find 1 ?, I havent found 1 yet but im now looking & hope I do before ccp spoil that to, like my cruise I train ages for then had to wait for my BS to fire um.
Id rather the greedy big corps go to hidden belts & stay out the noobs fields to.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2004.08.03 10:41:00 -
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Hi all didnt read it all soz & bit late to, im a scout & love such things, CCP need add more top ores in random place & hidden belt. As a new small corp 0.0 is only good at the crossing witch is full of pirates & over mined & the rest is sitting at the concouerble station in the hand of massive alliances that aint very nice & realy suspect of everything & anyone.
The only reason for someone to complain " Elenia " is cos you cant find 1 ?, I havent found 1 yet but im now looking & hope I do before ccp spoil that to, like my cruise I train ages for then had to wait for my BS to fire um.
Id rather the greedy big corps go to hidden belts & stay out the noobs fields to.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:07:00 -
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Old old thread 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.03 11:07:00 -
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Old old thread
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