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Elenia Keynes
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Posted - 2004.01.17 18:48:00 -
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some people (well, a lot of people) are using grid bug in belts to mine without npcs interference. CCP indicates it could be ocnsidered as an exploit but nothing compared to cowards/griefer using grid bugs around gates to kill other players.
I'm wondering if something should be done against people using such tacticts for mining  ... Sometimes belts are bugged, it's not your fault but some people are using this a bit too much imo... What do u think about that?
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.01.17 18:51:00 -
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they are working on a fix
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Elenia Keynes
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Posted - 2004.01.17 18:58:00 -
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good to hear... Some people were having "special" bms only for that... in order to make afk mining for bistot 
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:15:00 -
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They should be banned, like any other exploiters.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:21:00 -
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It has also come to light that the more ôresourcefulö members of the 0.0 mining community find hidden belts (those that have fallen off the grid), but ccp deem this as an exploit. I think that ccp should change their view point on this exploit and allow it...for it is realistic that there is unmarked belts and that these unmarked belts will not be infested with npcs and make it easier to mine. This would mean that explorers would be hired by corporations to find these belts, because at the moment explorers wander aimlessly looking for that ôone big findö. Furthermore, most of the eve community (including myself) believe that rules are important and try not to break them, players would then feel free to mine these ôhidden beltsö, this would also mean more megacyte for the construction and engineering industry in Eve. It also has a knock on effect, the lesser ores will then become more sought after again and the newer players to Eve will be able to get started easier, compared to as it stands now, there is not much market demand for trit, pyerite, mexalon, isogen and noxium. Also, if this did happen, there would be more traffic in and out of 0.0 and wasn't that the point of castor? More indys full of ore = more 0.0 pirate activity and thus leaving the empire huggers alone. This would mean people hiring armed escorts to fight the pirates (that part is stolen from lifewire) . Also fighting and mining corporations would make temporary alliances to do this.
So if people were allowed to mine hidden belts it would benefit everyone in eve.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:35:00 -
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"I think that ccp should change their view point on this exploit and allow it...for it is realistic that there is unmarked belts and that these unmarked belts will not be infested with npcs and make it easier to mine."
... Might as well then remove asteroids from the current 'official' 0.0 belts, because who is going to risk pointlessly by mining in them, when they can do it safely? The only people going in the 'official' belts will be the NPC hunters, and they aren't interested in the rocks... so there's no point to have them there.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:45:00 -
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I figure thay should make these belts harder to find.
People are not mining the normal belts anyway...
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.01.17 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: RagnarH on 17/01/2004 19:57:24
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They should be banned, like any other exploiters.
sure, let's ban half of Curse-alliance members
This char is perm banned on forums :S |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.01.17 20:31:00 -
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It is an exploit.
Ban them. They are making obscene ammount of isk with absolutely no risk (not kidding about this, no risk at all) sometimes AFK in industrial ships.
It is just wrong.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.01.17 20:32:00 -
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J0sephine,
I donÆt think you have done this type of mining before.
First off, you have to find one of these belts. This is no easy feat. Normally to mine higher end ores you have to venture out into deep 0.0 sec areas and find belts bearing the ore you are searching for, and for the most part these belts are only plentiful some 50 jumps out from Empire space. Of course there are rare ore systems in closer, but the odds are lower for finding anything. From the few systems that hold rare ores you must search each system and locate off grid ôstraysö. This takes considerable time. Once you have located stray belts, you will usually find only a dozen or so rocks there, and of that one to five of the rare ores.
The one thing that nobody seems to bring up is: ôThe asteroid has been depletedö. Once you take the ore from those places, it takes a long time for it to replenish.
The limited nature of these locations, combined with much ore can be extracted, places natural restrictions on how much these finds can be ôExploitedö.
If this were as you suggested a easy feat, then nobody would be mining in empire space, we would all be out AFK mining in our industrials in hidden belts.
If large well-organized corporations such as yours have the ability to pull in tremendous amounts of ore unfettered, there would be no Megacyte and Zydrine issues. There would be a glut.
I think the phrase ôMeta game playö is more appropriate to this activity.
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2004.01.17 20:35:00 -
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The hidden once are hard to find. And they will run out pretty fast. Then you have to mine in the normal ones. It is possbible to mine in the normal anyways but it is a pain.
There should be some hidden belts with no npc i think, but they should not work like they do now with the out of grid distance.Remember that exploring should be part of the game too. I pay corp members several millions for good belts for example so we have a tiny exploring "division". Quite fun i think.
/Phoibos
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.01.17 20:37:00 -
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Kurtz.
There would be megacyte and zydrine.
People would just have to work together using teamwork instead of doing things solo. The spawns arent hard just get a team together and do it. No I in team... So on so forth
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.01.17 20:44:00 -
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Anyone who defends this kind of exploiting while at the same time complain about ganking at gates in 1.0 systems deserves to die from veldspar poisoning.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.01.17 21:54:00 -
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Quote:
Kurtz.
There would be megacyte and zydrine.
People would just have to work together using teamwork instead of doing things solo. The spawns arent hard just get a team together and do it. No I in team... So on so forth
i love it when ppl say such things but don't have a clue how bad the spawns can be.
get real you need 5+ bs to protect a mining op.
the empire guys were already whining when mega was 20k per unit, make us mine it with 5+bs just for cover and we sell it for 50k per unit.
Once npc spawns are fixed it's an other thing, but atm mining in 0.0 belts is almost impossible. mining in empire would make more money. |
Klydor
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Posted - 2004.01.17 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 17/01/2004 22:05:21
edit: I removed a description of the gate grid exploit just in case.
If its an exploit then it needs to be announced as one and people told not to do it. This isn't like sitting at a gate and using the grid exploit for ganking people. Its moving 1000's of kilometers to belts that don't appear on the scanner in order to mine. It involves real time and effort to find them.
If people are in a belt with npc's and move a few k over the grid to mine without npcs attacking, then its an exploit. But if you find a belt with some ore in, why should players be banned for mining it?
If players are not allowed to mine in these areas, then why is there ore there? I can understand there been ore a few kms over the grid by accident, but how can belts that don't appear on the scanner and are 1000's of km from a normal belt be an accident?
These belts don't show on the scanner you have to spend time exploring to find them. They've been in the game for a long long time, and I always thought they were there as a reward to explorers. If this is not the case people need telling this instead of just banning..
If not, maybe the ore in the hidden belts should be removed. I'm not sure how ore distribution works, but if people continually mine the normal belts, whats to stop the hidden belt roids getting fatter and fatter until there is no ore left in the normal belts?
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.01.17 22:28:00 -
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u3k in Great wildlands is just like that, they actually explore them in pods, I caught a guy napping in one and woke hm up wth a cruise missiles, fortunately for him he woke up quick
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.17 22:59:00 -
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No, they don't want to do team work. Mostly beacuse they are silly stuff strutters.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.17 23:00:00 -
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If they banned people for this exploit half of Eve would disappear from the servers for X number of days.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.17 23:02:00 -
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For once, I agree with JC, but fix it fast. It's just ruining the game.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.17 23:06:00 -
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I wouldn't mind if there was a tiny percentage of "hidden" belts throughout the Eve Universe though - it'd be a nice reward for explorers and the like.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Reddari
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Posted - 2004.01.18 00:47:00 -
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Are you referring to "grid belts" or "hidden belts"?
I've found a gigantic old Veldspar in 0.0, it was 1500 km from the nearest "proper belt". I have NEVER seen a "proper" belt which is 1500 km wide.
There is a difference, to find the "hidden belts" we have to run from NPC's while using our scanners aiming all around, we then have to travel 300-1500 km out to find the hidden belts, all the time using the scanner to pinpoint the location.
When we get there it might be empty, depleted roids with a couple of ore left in them, someone else found it first!
Finding hidden belts requires tactics, time and patience. Comparing them to mining in "grid bug but proper belts" is for me, plain nonsense.
Funny to see Kurenin indignant though...
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.01.18 01:31:00 -
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WTF? quit complaining all the time.
when safe roids are gone and small corps can't handle the spawns you'll all be in tears, nevermind i'm sure you'll be able to cry on the forums and ccp will put them back in for you.
There are other ways of making risk free money, some of them are scams. This one isn't so just enjoy it while it lasts.
As far as I'm concerned nothings an exploit till it goes on the news-board. Everything else gets different answers from different GM's
Oh and how the hell do you call a 10 jump trip through a 0.0 sec warzone in an indy "risk-free"?
Sig Thief
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.18 01:40:00 -
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Funny to see people pratically aditting to be exploiters.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.18 01:56:00 -
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Warn. If ignored, ban. Grid exploiters suck.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2004.01.18 06:07:00 -
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I'm a little confused here... Finding roids and mining them is now considered an exploit?
Excuse me but the way things are going logging into the game is going to be an exploit in the near future.
"Hidden" belts have been in the game since god knows when... I thought it was one of the things we were "supposed" to look for.... "Explore the galaxy" and all that.
For your information the so called "hidden" belts I've mined haven't been safe and I'm always getting chased off them by rats spawning 20km from me.
This is NOT an exploit... this is just Ninja Mining! If you can't do it then don't whine at the people who can.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.01.18 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 18/01/2004 07:45:20
Explore the galaxy in Yulai, close to the gate to Amarr. From there you can shoot people without interference.
So why is mining without NPCs that are supposed to be there not an exploit but mining PC without NPCs that are supposed there, to be an exploit?
Hypocrits.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.01.18 08:33:00 -
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Never seen one of these belts. If its over a grid line and thats why npc's don't attack you then its an exploit obviously. Otherwise not.
While we're on the topic, NPC's spawning in every single belt in Eve besides 1.0 and 9.0 is stupid. Players should be interacting with NPC's not NPC's with players. PC's should be the biggest and most potent threat to other players and alliances should be forced to protect their ore and not rely on NPC armada's to do that.
Infinity
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.01.18 08:37:00 -
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Hidden belts have been here since the game went gold, and in beta. Some have rats, some don't. They have to find em too.  I suppose finding destroyed stations full of loot is an exploit too? Oh and looting derelict ships.. 
Isn't the grid exploit fixed on chaos? 
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.01.18 09:14:00 -
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blah blah.. it's an exploit..
But I don't care who uses it.. People need the minerals.
And if they ever fix the grid problem. I seriously doubt any of the corps capable of mining the goods plan to share. They will keep the minerals for the cause. Wouldn't make sense to sell the mega and then buy it to build ships.. No.. you keep the mega to build ships.
Gonna sucks when the soloers can't supply the rest of you with minerals. Even if they aint makin bizilzians of isk anymores.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.01.18 09:23:00 -
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if you think ship prices where bad before wait and see how they are gona look soon ouch!
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