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Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:24:00 - [31] Originally by: WrathchildeVOTF Originally by: The Manner Edited by: The Manner on 26/06/2007 05:33:59 Originally by: Silent Marauder I trust he know what he's talking about since last time i saw him do a lvl 4 in a crusader, and to me thats saying something. why don;t you take his c.0.c.k out of yer ass and stop bsing 2) Nice manners. Nice dodge of the filter too. which is not allowed and was uncalled for I have a T1 Raven I use T2 cruise up top with 2 slots filled with NOS I use ordinary XL SB and a T2 cap recharger,the rest of mid slots are hardners specific to the bad guys low slots are mostly PDUs and damage control 3 X CCC rigs T2 drones for close support I know I could do better,hence why I read these threads
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:03:00 - [32] No, 3x BCU is not mandatory. But do this. Load up quickfit with your fit. Even with rigs. Note the DPS vs. the enemies you fight. Then use one of the other fits which include at least 2 BCUs, with torps or cruises -- whatever you can fit. Isn't it amazing how close the 1 BCU torp raven is to a 3 BCU cruise raven? Now consider the range, sig radius and other previously mentioned cruise raven advantages. And with Caldari BS 5 and missile velocity 4 I don't get very many cruises shot down < 50km at all. No BCUs is simply not allowed. Do what you can to fit at least one, preferably two.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.06.27 05:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Toria Nynys No, 3x BCU is not mandatory. But do this. Load up quickfit with your fit. Even with rigs. Note the DPS vs. the enemies you fight. Then use one of the other fits which include at least 2 BCUs, with torps or cruises -- whatever you can fit. Isn't it amazing how close the 1 BCU torp raven is to a 3 BCU cruise raven? Now consider the range, sig radius and other previously mentioned cruise raven advantages. And with Caldari BS 5 and missile velocity 4 I don't get very many cruises shot down < 50km at all. No BCUs is simply not allowed. Do what you can to fit at least one, preferably two. Depends a bit on NPC's you are going to fight against and a bit on definition what you consider to be 'close'. That 'close' is still approx 10% apart from 1 BCU torp raven vs 3 BCU Cruise raven. Altho yes - I do agree that at least 1 BCU should fit into any Raven fit that does missions. About target painters, cruise missiles and torps. Torpedoes with 1 target painter do same dps to cruisers as cruise missiles without one, more to bigger targets less to frigates. Difference between 2 painter torpedo setup and 1 painter setup is approx the same as difference between 2 BCU setup and 3 BCU setup - well ok not exactly the same, second painter does help against cruisers more but it's relatively useless against anything bigger while price difference is quite noticeable. Main drawbacks of torps are harder (or more expencive) tank fitting and need to pay attention what you are doing to be effective. In AFK mode cruise is better (less overkill thanks to faster missile speed).
Iluminat Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:45:00 - [34] Edited by: Iluminat on 27/06/2007 16:46:14 CNR 7x Cruise t2 and tractor beam gist c xl shieldbooster 2x t2 shield amps for more than 900 boost 1x inv t2 2 mission passive hardners t2 (all shield skills max) 3x PDU t2 and 2x BCU t2 3x ccc Aggro all at once and let them come in tractor beam range. after aggro release t2 drones. Plop and loot all. jump in with salvage destroyer on spot and salvage.
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Carniflex Depends a bit on NPC's you are going to fight against and a bit on definition what you consider to be 'close'. That 'close' is still approx 10% apart from 1 BCU torp raven vs 3 BCU Cruise raven. I used a mix of 2 cruisers, 1 BC and 1 BS for my mockup of a pretty average mission mix. And my numbers were much closer than 10%. Did you factor drones in your mockup as well? Did you use 1x target painter on the cruise raven? But I think we're on the same page there. The 40+ million SP mission runner trying to post the best mission times possible will want to use cruises OR torps, depending on mission enemy mix and ranges to encounters. For newbies like myself with 10M SP or so, torps are just not the way to fly at all.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Toria Nynys Originally by: Carniflex Depends a bit on NPC's you are going to fight against and a bit on definition what you consider to be 'close'. That 'close' is still approx 10% apart from 1 BCU torp raven vs 3 BCU Cruise raven. I used a mix of 2 cruisers, 1 BC and 1 BS for my mockup of a pretty average mission mix. And my numbers were much closer than 10%. Did you factor drones in your mockup as well? Did you use 1x target painter on the cruise raven? But I think we're on the same page there. The 40+ million SP mission runner trying to post the best mission times possible will want to use cruises OR torps, depending on mission enemy mix and ranges to encounters. For newbies like myself with 10M SP or so, torps are just not the way to fly at all. I did not actually calculate it. It was just from experience as I run missions with 2 man team - one with cruise missiles and another with torps. So to answer that question I would say no drones and cruise missile boat used also painter. Well I do use drones ofcource but usually only against frigates. I do use faction BCU's tho so that might be reason why my impression about that is at approx 10%. Granted I have not timed my missions with 1 BCU and 3 actually so it's relatively rough ballbark. When my alt started flying torp raven with me in missions it had approx 4 mil SP. Had rather rough time fitting tank + torps but it was possible with some compromises. It was possible to do all missions without having to warp out with cap injector fueled T1/T2 tank. At first it had no target painter tho so it was less effective in some missions. I would say it was still faster ship in battleship heavy missions so I have to not agree that new players can not pull off torp raven trick. I do agree however that it's relatively hard and takes moderately good understadning of game mechanics to do reasonable compromises when fitting the ship. Also somewhat more expencive if you want better than just barely borderline tank.
Roy Gordon Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:36:00 - [37] Hmmm...well all I'll say is my setup allows me to do every lvl 4 mission solo so far with very little trouble and few warp outs, if any- Highs 4 x Arb Torps, 2 x Arb cruise, Heavy Dim Nos, Tractor beam Meds True Sansha cap recharger Pith X-type X-Large SB 4 x Shield Hardeners(Rat Specific) Lows 3 x T2 PDU 2 X T2 BCU Rigs 3 x CCC 7 x medium drones, 1 light drone(Rat Specific) Fit the launchers with Caldari Navy torps and cruise and your rocking!!! That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!


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