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MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:39:00 - [31] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/06/2007 06:38:22 some arrmar ships only get a 50% reduction to lasers meaning fitting auto cannons just uses less cap it's a commonly used set up in PvE
Faith Black Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Faith Black on 26/06/2007 06:49:05 Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Yes, because eve is all 1-on-1 between same ship classes, where the minmatar-projectile ship wins, because it can dictate range. Sounds more like sisi duelling with fixed rules. Sorry, in the real virtual world (lol), things look a bit different. We have EW, NOS, x-vs-y situations instead of 1-on-1, tacklers ... And yes, the standard setup for the phoon, the speed minmatar BS, is nos and launchers + drone dps, so an autocannon dps nerv and launcher boost really makes sense to compensate for the speed.
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:53:00 - [33] Sabre Vagabond Huginn isn't directly > all, but is veeery good Same for rapier Sleipnir Rupture/Stabber Stiletto Rifter Sub-BS Minmatar has the best ships. It doesn't have the endgame solopwnmobile BS, but those days are over and hardly anyone cares about BS 1v1 or so. In fleets minmatar does just fine. It lacks the best solo-interceptor & has bad racial EW. That and in PvE it doesn't have it's own Raven/Dominix. Caldari/Gallente Online? HAHA More like Minmatar online
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:54:00 - [34] nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf please be quiet.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:55:00 - [35] besides, everyone knows CCP loves minmatar nerf amarr! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Riho on 26/06/2007 07:07:45 Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. DPS... HAHAHAHA :D but speed.. yes thats what they are intended for... atleast some ships.. like vaga. and no cap on guns.. dont really care about it... they dont do as much dmg as blasters do anyways :P go back to your hole newb troll.. you need to train trolling highr :) --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Faith Black Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Zanarkand Sabre Vagabond Huginn isn't directly > all, but is veeery good Same for rapier Sleipnir Rupture/Stabber Stiletto Rifter Sub-BS Minmatar has the best ships. It doesn't have the endgame solopwnmobile BS, but those days are over and hardly anyone cares about BS 1v1 or so. In fleets minmatar does just fine. It lacks the best solo-interceptor & has bad racial EW. That and in PvE it doesn't have it's own Raven/Dominix. Caldari/Gallente Online? HAHA More like Minmatar online Well, thorax/vexor. Is it so much worse ? Stiletto ? Yes, nice tackler, but EW-ceptor gangs are so 2005 and the 4th slot for more points isn't really needed anymore since the WCS nerf. So well, imho can also fly any other 3 med-slot ceptor now. Yes, and if someone prefers Minmatar, because of agility and speed, then he should have trained for it. It was always the race with those attributes. If someone sits in another race's ship that handles like a brick and moans, then it's his fault, he got other bonuses. If he doesn't like it, he should train for minmatar.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:13:00 - [38] I am so utterly bored with these threads in general. NERF, WHINE, BOOST. you can all go play hello kitty online. I hope all of you get ganked like the stupid little children you are. everyone is always moaning about 1v1 and the racial bonuses etc etc etc. BLERGH. make a GANG people, outnumber your foe. use TACTICS. STOP MOANING! tired of crappy projectile guns? TRAIN RAILGUNS, and choose a minnie ship that doesn't boost proj. FFS! ----------------------------------------------- "LowSec Pirates are like the seagulls in Finding Nemo: instead if "mine! mine!" all they do is yell "gank! gank!" in local." In short: brainless
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Cornucopian I am so utterly bored with these threads in general. NERF, WHINE, BOOST. you can all go play hello kitty online. I hope all of you get ganked like the stupid little children you are. everyone is always moaning about 1v1 and the racial bonuses etc etc etc. BLERGH. make a GANG people, outnumber your foe. use TACTICS. STOP MOANING! tired of crappy projectile guns? TRAIN RAILGUNS, and choose a minnie ship that doesn't boost proj. FFS! QFT :D --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
mudders Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:55:00 - [40] sub par tank poor dps nerfed alpha strike split weapons requiring additional training fighting in falloff = teh miss mostly. so...boost minmatar (and amarr :P ) Originally by: nync being stupid - is not curable...

Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:00:00 - [41] /signed. Gallintar-Online is too boring. Please CCP boost Caldamarr and even up the battlefield. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Zanarkand More like minmatar Online(as in Minmatarwhinesalot not that the game is horribly unbalanced) Ishtar Lachesis Arazu Eos/Astarte Vexor/Thorax Taranis Tristan Dominix Just learn to play your damn race and specialise and STOP CRYING. Actual needed balancing: Slight messing with Amarr damage types and bonuses Extra PG/CPU on Omen Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Acama Asante Amarr Unity Star	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:09:00 - [43] I fly exclusively Amarr/Caldari and I hate every whiner in this thread.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:09:00 - [44] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 26/06/2007 08:09:37 nerf caldamarris boost minigalle seriously stop crying crybabies this is mmorpg not solopwnorpg
Acama Asante Amarr Unity Star	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:14:00 - [45] Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Overheat your web and pwn them in the face
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:18:00 - [46] I don't understand everybody complaining all the time about various races. Races are different, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Each has good ships and bad ships. About every race has a number of ships I love to fly/would love to fly if I could. Whether its Caldari for the fleet support (eagle/sniper vulture) or Pve (Raven), Gallente for the nasty recons (Arazu), cheap dampening ships (Celestis) or tanked Domis, blaster Hyperions and nasty CBCs, Amarr with the Pilgrim, CBC tanks, frontline carrier or Minmatar with Vagabond, Sleipnir, Sabre or Tempest with alphastrike. Instead of focusing on weaknesses for each race and keep harping on them, you might wanna focus on strengths. Yes, the Amarr interdictor might be a bit crappy, and the Ferox is rather mediocre, but that doesn't mean a race is crap. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:24:00 - [47] STFU. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:12:00 - [48] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 26/06/2007 09:11:16 SHUT THE **** UP WITH THE NERF TALK GOD DAMMIT.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:21:00 - [49] DO NOT NERF FFS
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:24:00 - [50] UGH!!!! i hate people who complain about races, while knowing NOTHING about them! maelstrom? fast?? high damage?? the only ship that is similar to what you are saying is the vagabond, which has low damage. Projectiles do less dps than anything, and a nos domi will own any minmy BS, and a nos myrm will own any minmy BC. drake: versatile range, any dmage type (most on kinetic, but still versatile), capless tank. so Caldari is not overpowered. Quit wining (i actually think you might not be trying to nerf minmatar, but boost gallente, but i might just be being paranoid) ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh

Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:28:00 - [51] Quote: great dps Projectiles have the lowest DPS in the game. Not sure how that's "great". _________________________________________________________
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:03:00 - [52] nerf whiners boost gallente Originally by: Gan Dalf What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
barvo 7th Space Cavalry Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Attention: I officially give this thread my "this thread has become silly" stamp. That is all. This. In fact, the whole board is awash with this stuff. I'm sure, given time and inclination, I could dig up recent posts calling for all four races to be nerfed, not to mention any module that's proven itself to be even remotely effective. There's probably a corresponding post that calls for all of that stuff to be buffed as well. Can't we all just get along?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:33:00 - [54] TBH, I think all three races are fine and balanced, except Amarr (who we won't go in to, it's been done to death). Gallente have great PvP DPS (the best, really). Their speed is pretty good (not as fast as Minny, but faster than the other two). Their downside is that they're pretty easy to counter- they have active tank bonuses and cap dependent weapons, making them second only to Amarr as Nos vulnerable, and their Blasters are so short range that a single webber in the right place is enough to lose them the fight outright. Theyre also the suck at PvE. Minmatar have some tasty ships in their arsenal, and really do make good all rounders. Their weapons don't have great DPS, but are easy to fit (true an AC does less damage than a blaster, but when it only requires 2/3rds of the fitting requirements, whose to argue?). They consistently have the fastest ship in any given class. Etc. On the down side, they are fairly skill intensive, due to all the cross training (good Minnys need shields, armour, turrets, missiles, drones, navigation skills, and so forth, far more than the others). Caldari are the undisputed kings of PvE. Any Caldari who claims otherwise clearly haven't PvE'd much with the other races. Contrary to popular belief, they're not even THAT awful in PvP. That is, they're pretty darned nifty in small gangs, providing they don't come up against a speed tanker. A few friends of mine PvP exclusively in Caldari, and enjoy the unrivalled tank, non-dependence on cap, selectable damage types, consistent DPS with no transversal tracking, and excellent mid-slot lay out. Caldari are pretty **** poor in fleet combat though; the Rokh is alright as a fleet sniper, but they're nothing exciting, while missile ships just have a whole bunch of problems in fleets. Amarr are... well, they're alright if you fit projectile turrets --------
Virusuk Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:43:00 - [55] This made me feel sick. How can enyone say nerf Minmatar ! ----------------------------------------------- Blurred? No it must be your screen
Drykor Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:47:00 - [56] I've been on the edge of just forgetting about my minmatar skills and starting to train gallente at least 2 times now. First because of the speed nerf (yes typhoons were overpowered and no I didn't fly them, but that and the removement of those speed rigs hit other minmatar ships as well, the speed bonus isn't THAT much already), and now this heat thing where you can overload your webber, rendering our falloff bonus useless. I specialise in small ships and it's just not funny anymore. For pve I ALREADY trained up caldari for a drake/raven, and even a myrmidon for ammoless ratting in 0.0 (obviously I already needed decent drone and missile skills to get anything out of my race) So yeah, nerf minmatar, then I'll just go for gallente pvp fulltime and use caldari to make money.
eve warrior Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:28:00 - [57] Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Exactly. You need good sp to be good with Minmatar ships. We need to train everything, cadari shield tank, and gallanti armor tank yet half our ships get armor tanking bonuses and the rest use shield tanking. We use missiles as well as Projectiels... Pft. Nothing wrong with Minmatar. (nurf Amarr instead, No one flys them anyways) eve warrior
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:31:00 - [58] Where the heck is the I3lind man? I believe he has some grappling to do here. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:32:00 - [59] Originally by: MehTheTrader I trained Caldari and regret it What a silly post "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:33:00 - [60] I have a better idea, nerf the whiners Seriously, you say Speed. Yes speed is the good thing with Minmatar, and that will stay forever. Have you seen how fast a Machariel is? But that ship is a mix of Minmatar and Gallente though. Great DPS: Well my Dual 650mm AC T2 guns have some nice DPS if you have very good projectile skills (AC skills) like me. But Blasters have better DPS anyways, so i will actually say increrase projectile damages instead. No cap on projectile guns: Ehm, you forgot to say that Caldari use no cap to fire torpedoes / cruise missiles etc. So no cap usage on projectile guns when projectile guns doesn't have "that" great DPS is fine. Anyways, my last word is <MINMATAR 4TW> Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred



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