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MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:08:00 - [1] Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar.
Avan Strega Thunderstruck.	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:12:00 - [2] blasters do way more damage than autocannons. minmatar is also a very skill-intensive race to train in order to be effective. no need for a nerf, thanks --- Thunderstruck is recruiting!
Marcus Starr FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:14:00 - [3] Leave Minmatar alone. They've had it ruff. Band of Brothers 2 Stolen Footage
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:16:00 - [4] Originally by: MehTheTrader Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Well, kinda answers why the mods forget us too So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:26:00 - [5] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 04:25:48 Originally by: Avan Strega blasters do way more damage than autocannons. minmatar is also a very skill-intensive race to train in order to be effective. no need for a nerf, thanks Skill intensive.. your a ****** LOL . Do you really believe that mini is on par with caldari and ammar... biased ;).
Messerschmitt facility Amarr Shinra	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:26:00 - [6] And people wonder why amarr is so dead. You see, people don't even need to say nerf amarr, they are already so nerfed that people already know it and they don't even bother "nerf lasers" _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:29:00 - [7] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 04:28:14 Originally by: Messerschmitt facility And people wonder why amarr is so dead. You see, people don't even need to say nerf amarr, they are already so nerfed that people already know it and they don't even bother "nerf lasers" better than caldari.. No devs must play caldari or ammar
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:30:00 - [8] Originally by: MehTheTrader better than caldari.. In what way, pray do tell? So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: MehTheTrader better than caldari.. In what way, pray do tell? Well are we talking solo.. because caldari cant do that. Ammar has good recons, cmd ships, and decent bs. Missles not only have terrible dps.. but also are slow. So bad for fleet and solo, except for scorp.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Igualmentedos on 26/06/2007 04:41:16 Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 04:35:09 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: MehTheTrader better than caldari.. In what way, pray do tell? Well are we talking solo.. because caldari cant do that. Ammar has good recons, cmd ships, and decent bs. Missles not only have terrible dps.. but also are slow.. need quick hits in fleet. So bad for fleet and solo, except for scorp. See no problem with gallente, as they devote to fight. Minimatar don't devote to fight, but run, and still have good dps while doing it, overpowered. While i do agree that caldari are the epitome of suck, i still think minmatar needs to be left untouched, they're perfectly fine. Now gallente, I'm not sure why CCP has proven to be as intelligent as a small child when it comes to balancing them, seems to be the iWin faction. It has come to the point where if im killed by a gallentean ship I honestly don't hold the player that killed me in very high regards, because they're basically on easy mode.

AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:44:00 - [11] Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.26 04:45:00 - [12] ^So true my friend, so true. Now, boosting the caldari gunships like in that one thread would help, and perhaps giving amarr bigger dronebays to allow them to diversify their dmage (They are, RP-wise, supposed to be second only to gallente in dorne usage)
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:04:00 - [13] Attention: I officially give this thread my "this thread has become silly" stamp. That is all.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:46:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub .
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:48:00 - [15] Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . we have the lowest dps...
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:53:00 - [16] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . we have the lowest dps... I dont know what ship you are talking about. But ammar em means crap damage. Missles do barley any damage, mini can dodge those anyways. But of course if you compare to gallente blasters you will have lower dps, but close with exp damage against armor tanks. Yet mini still has great dps at 10km or so.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:57:00 - [17] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/06/2007 05:57:17 Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . we have the lowest dps... I dont know what ship you are talking about. But ammar em means crap damage. Missles do barley any damage, mini can dodge those anyways. But of course if you compare to gallente blasters you will have lower dps, but close with exp damage against armor tanks. Yet mini still has great dps at 10km or so. um... autocannons have the lowest dps in the game for guns of it's size your gripe should be with dmg types not the race and were not as strong as an ammar ship fitting projectiles I mean other than the bonuses to rof and stuff the ammar can tank very well without weapons using cap the whole dmg type system needs to be redone in general
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:59:00 - [18] Originally by: MehTheTrader Missles do barley any damage, mini can dodge those anyways. Please let me know how to do that without being in a Vaga with tons of implants. Somehow the Vaga is synonymous to Minmatar for most people. Have you seen the rest of our ships? --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:03:00 - [19] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/06/2007 05:57:17 Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . we have the lowest dps... I dont know what ship you are talking about. But ammar em means crap damage. Missles do barley any damage, mini can dodge those anyways. But of course if you compare to gallente blasters you will have lower dps, but close with exp damage against armor tanks. Yet mini still has great dps at 10km or so. um... autocannons have the lowest dps in the game for guns of it's size your gripe should be with dmg types not the race and were not as strong as an ammar ship fitting projectiles I mean other than the bonuses to rof and stuff the ammar can tank very well without weapons using cap the whole dmg type system needs to be redone in general talk about dig your own hole, ammar ships fitting projectiles. they don't use their own racials
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:04:00 - [20] Another nerf this and boost that thread..... Seriously, you obviously have no clue about minmatar ships. Have you tried blasterthron VS AC pest? Or a nos domi vs AC pest? Or a deimos vs munnin? Or a deimos vs Vaga? With 2 equally skilled pilots the only engagement the minmatar ship would win is the vaga vs deimos and that is because the vaga would warp out.... Get a clue.

MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Mangold Another nerf this and boost that thread..... Seriously, you obviously have no clue about minmatar ships. Have you tried blasterthron VS AC pest? Or a nos domi vs AC pest? Or a deimos vs munnin? Or a deimos vs Vaga? With 2 equally skilled pilots the only engagement the minmatar ship would win is the vaga vs deimos and that is because the vaga would warp out.... Get a clue. Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall.
K1K1R1K1 Team Machine Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:13:00 - [22] If you hit minmatar with the nerf bat, the ships would simply fall apart. Then under their own gravity form a cluster of rusted crap and turn into even more powerfull ships!!! _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
Faith Black Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:16:00 - [23] Stupid thread. Like if most people would fly autocannon tempest, because projectile dps is so overpowered or like the 'speedy' maelstroem would be so fast that no one can catch her. And if you are sitting in your ratting raven, it's not like a speedy vagabond could rip you apart with massive dps. It's more a case of: 'Yawn, this might take an eternity.' and since everyone fits one or two heavy nos, it's going nowhere. And yes, because minmatar is so overpowered, so many people crosstrain to fly myrmidon. ...
Xeris Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:17:00 - [24] lol I guess this tard got wasted in his nub-boat by a couple highly skilled mini ships and came here to have a cry.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:17:00 - [25] Originally by: MehTheTrader Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall. orly? Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Blasters = gallente. Funny you say that Minmatar have the best BC. Of all the ships I've found in 0.0 Drake have been the most common BC and actually the hardest one to kill. Last time I looked it was a Caldari ship. All ships have their strengths and weaknesses.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:18:00 - [26] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. I hope you choke on your Quafe Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:20:00 - [27] you are incredibly biased towards gallente no mods please
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:29:00 - [28] I have purchased express tickets to the afterlife for everyone who says nerf minmatar, enjoy your stay Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:31:00 - [29] No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:33:00 - [30] Oh all this naysay and poppycoc has given me a stupendous idea. I'm gonna train hybrids, launchers, projectiles and fit each to go with a laser turret, go and find me 4 cruisers or some such and shoot them. Just to see which one goes down first. Ofcourse on the hybrid one, i'll send drones too, but that's just so i can rig the results and claim gallente are overpowered So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.

MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:39:00 - [31] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/06/2007 06:38:22 some arrmar ships only get a 50% reduction to lasers meaning fitting auto cannons just uses less cap it's a commonly used set up in PvE
Faith Black Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Faith Black on 26/06/2007 06:49:05 Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Yes, because eve is all 1-on-1 between same ship classes, where the minmatar-projectile ship wins, because it can dictate range. Sounds more like sisi duelling with fixed rules. Sorry, in the real virtual world (lol), things look a bit different. We have EW, NOS, x-vs-y situations instead of 1-on-1, tacklers ... And yes, the standard setup for the phoon, the speed minmatar BS, is nos and launchers + drone dps, so an autocannon dps nerv and launcher boost really makes sense to compensate for the speed.
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:53:00 - [33] Sabre Vagabond Huginn isn't directly > all, but is veeery good Same for rapier Sleipnir Rupture/Stabber Stiletto Rifter Sub-BS Minmatar has the best ships. It doesn't have the endgame solopwnmobile BS, but those days are over and hardly anyone cares about BS 1v1 or so. In fleets minmatar does just fine. It lacks the best solo-interceptor & has bad racial EW. That and in PvE it doesn't have it's own Raven/Dominix. Caldari/Gallente Online? HAHA More like Minmatar online
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:54:00 - [34] nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf please be quiet.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:55:00 - [35] besides, everyone knows CCP loves minmatar nerf amarr! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Riho on 26/06/2007 07:07:45 Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. DPS... HAHAHAHA :D but speed.. yes thats what they are intended for... atleast some ships.. like vaga. and no cap on guns.. dont really care about it... they dont do as much dmg as blasters do anyways :P go back to your hole newb troll.. you need to train trolling highr :) --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Faith Black Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Zanarkand Sabre Vagabond Huginn isn't directly > all, but is veeery good Same for rapier Sleipnir Rupture/Stabber Stiletto Rifter Sub-BS Minmatar has the best ships. It doesn't have the endgame solopwnmobile BS, but those days are over and hardly anyone cares about BS 1v1 or so. In fleets minmatar does just fine. It lacks the best solo-interceptor & has bad racial EW. That and in PvE it doesn't have it's own Raven/Dominix. Caldari/Gallente Online? HAHA More like Minmatar online Well, thorax/vexor. Is it so much worse ? Stiletto ? Yes, nice tackler, but EW-ceptor gangs are so 2005 and the 4th slot for more points isn't really needed anymore since the WCS nerf. So well, imho can also fly any other 3 med-slot ceptor now. Yes, and if someone prefers Minmatar, because of agility and speed, then he should have trained for it. It was always the race with those attributes. If someone sits in another race's ship that handles like a brick and moans, then it's his fault, he got other bonuses. If he doesn't like it, he should train for minmatar.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:13:00 - [38] I am so utterly bored with these threads in general. NERF, WHINE, BOOST. you can all go play hello kitty online. I hope all of you get ganked like the stupid little children you are. everyone is always moaning about 1v1 and the racial bonuses etc etc etc. BLERGH. make a GANG people, outnumber your foe. use TACTICS. STOP MOANING! tired of crappy projectile guns? TRAIN RAILGUNS, and choose a minnie ship that doesn't boost proj. FFS! ----------------------------------------------- "LowSec Pirates are like the seagulls in Finding Nemo: instead if "mine! mine!" all they do is yell "gank! gank!" in local." In short: brainless
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Cornucopian I am so utterly bored with these threads in general. NERF, WHINE, BOOST. you can all go play hello kitty online. I hope all of you get ganked like the stupid little children you are. everyone is always moaning about 1v1 and the racial bonuses etc etc etc. BLERGH. make a GANG people, outnumber your foe. use TACTICS. STOP MOANING! tired of crappy projectile guns? TRAIN RAILGUNS, and choose a minnie ship that doesn't boost proj. FFS! QFT :D --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
mudders Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:55:00 - [40] sub par tank poor dps nerfed alpha strike split weapons requiring additional training fighting in falloff = teh miss mostly. so...boost minmatar (and amarr :P ) Originally by: nync being stupid - is not curable...

Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:00:00 - [41] /signed. Gallintar-Online is too boring. Please CCP boost Caldamarr and even up the battlefield. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Zanarkand More like minmatar Online(as in Minmatarwhinesalot not that the game is horribly unbalanced) Ishtar Lachesis Arazu Eos/Astarte Vexor/Thorax Taranis Tristan Dominix Just learn to play your damn race and specialise and STOP CRYING. Actual needed balancing: Slight messing with Amarr damage types and bonuses Extra PG/CPU on Omen Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Acama Asante Amarr Unity Star	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:09:00 - [43] I fly exclusively Amarr/Caldari and I hate every whiner in this thread.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:09:00 - [44] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 26/06/2007 08:09:37 nerf caldamarris boost minigalle seriously stop crying crybabies this is mmorpg not solopwnorpg
Acama Asante Amarr Unity Star	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:14:00 - [45] Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Overheat your web and pwn them in the face
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:18:00 - [46] I don't understand everybody complaining all the time about various races. Races are different, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Each has good ships and bad ships. About every race has a number of ships I love to fly/would love to fly if I could. Whether its Caldari for the fleet support (eagle/sniper vulture) or Pve (Raven), Gallente for the nasty recons (Arazu), cheap dampening ships (Celestis) or tanked Domis, blaster Hyperions and nasty CBCs, Amarr with the Pilgrim, CBC tanks, frontline carrier or Minmatar with Vagabond, Sleipnir, Sabre or Tempest with alphastrike. Instead of focusing on weaknesses for each race and keep harping on them, you might wanna focus on strengths. Yes, the Amarr interdictor might be a bit crappy, and the Ferox is rather mediocre, but that doesn't mean a race is crap. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:24:00 - [47] STFU. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Sorum Daemoth	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:12:00 - [48] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 26/06/2007 09:11:16 SHUT THE **** UP WITH THE NERF TALK GOD DAMMIT.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:21:00 - [49] DO NOT NERF FFS
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:24:00 - [50] UGH!!!! i hate people who complain about races, while knowing NOTHING about them! maelstrom? fast?? high damage?? the only ship that is similar to what you are saying is the vagabond, which has low damage. Projectiles do less dps than anything, and a nos domi will own any minmy BS, and a nos myrm will own any minmy BC. drake: versatile range, any dmage type (most on kinetic, but still versatile), capless tank. so Caldari is not overpowered. Quit wining (i actually think you might not be trying to nerf minmatar, but boost gallente, but i might just be being paranoid) ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh

Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:28:00 - [51] Quote: great dps Projectiles have the lowest DPS in the game. Not sure how that's "great". _________________________________________________________
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:03:00 - [52] nerf whiners boost gallente Originally by: Gan Dalf What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
barvo 7th Space Cavalry Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Attention: I officially give this thread my "this thread has become silly" stamp. That is all. This. In fact, the whole board is awash with this stuff. I'm sure, given time and inclination, I could dig up recent posts calling for all four races to be nerfed, not to mention any module that's proven itself to be even remotely effective. There's probably a corresponding post that calls for all of that stuff to be buffed as well. Can't we all just get along?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:33:00 - [54] TBH, I think all three races are fine and balanced, except Amarr (who we won't go in to, it's been done to death). Gallente have great PvP DPS (the best, really). Their speed is pretty good (not as fast as Minny, but faster than the other two). Their downside is that they're pretty easy to counter- they have active tank bonuses and cap dependent weapons, making them second only to Amarr as Nos vulnerable, and their Blasters are so short range that a single webber in the right place is enough to lose them the fight outright. Theyre also the suck at PvE. Minmatar have some tasty ships in their arsenal, and really do make good all rounders. Their weapons don't have great DPS, but are easy to fit (true an AC does less damage than a blaster, but when it only requires 2/3rds of the fitting requirements, whose to argue?). They consistently have the fastest ship in any given class. Etc. On the down side, they are fairly skill intensive, due to all the cross training (good Minnys need shields, armour, turrets, missiles, drones, navigation skills, and so forth, far more than the others). Caldari are the undisputed kings of PvE. Any Caldari who claims otherwise clearly haven't PvE'd much with the other races. Contrary to popular belief, they're not even THAT awful in PvP. That is, they're pretty darned nifty in small gangs, providing they don't come up against a speed tanker. A few friends of mine PvP exclusively in Caldari, and enjoy the unrivalled tank, non-dependence on cap, selectable damage types, consistent DPS with no transversal tracking, and excellent mid-slot lay out. Caldari are pretty **** poor in fleet combat though; the Rokh is alright as a fleet sniper, but they're nothing exciting, while missile ships just have a whole bunch of problems in fleets. Amarr are... well, they're alright if you fit projectile turrets --------
Virusuk Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:43:00 - [55] This made me feel sick. How can enyone say nerf Minmatar ! ----------------------------------------------- Blurred? No it must be your screen
Drykor Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:47:00 - [56] I've been on the edge of just forgetting about my minmatar skills and starting to train gallente at least 2 times now. First because of the speed nerf (yes typhoons were overpowered and no I didn't fly them, but that and the removement of those speed rigs hit other minmatar ships as well, the speed bonus isn't THAT much already), and now this heat thing where you can overload your webber, rendering our falloff bonus useless. I specialise in small ships and it's just not funny anymore. For pve I ALREADY trained up caldari for a drake/raven, and even a myrmidon for ammoless ratting in 0.0 (obviously I already needed decent drone and missile skills to get anything out of my race) So yeah, nerf minmatar, then I'll just go for gallente pvp fulltime and use caldari to make money.
eve warrior Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:28:00 - [57] Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Exactly. You need good sp to be good with Minmatar ships. We need to train everything, cadari shield tank, and gallanti armor tank yet half our ships get armor tanking bonuses and the rest use shield tanking. We use missiles as well as Projectiels... Pft. Nothing wrong with Minmatar. (nurf Amarr instead, No one flys them anyways) eve warrior
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:31:00 - [58] Where the heck is the I3lind man? I believe he has some grappling to do here. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:32:00 - [59] Originally by: MehTheTrader I trained Caldari and regret it What a silly post "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:33:00 - [60] I have a better idea, nerf the whiners Seriously, you say Speed. Yes speed is the good thing with Minmatar, and that will stay forever. Have you seen how fast a Machariel is? But that ship is a mix of Minmatar and Gallente though. Great DPS: Well my Dual 650mm AC T2 guns have some nice DPS if you have very good projectile skills (AC skills) like me. But Blasters have better DPS anyways, so i will actually say increrase projectile damages instead. No cap on projectile guns: Ehm, you forgot to say that Caldari use no cap to fire torpedoes / cruise missiles etc. So no cap usage on projectile guns when projectile guns doesn't have "that" great DPS is fine. Anyways, my last word is <MINMATAR 4TW> Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred

Artean Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:54:00 - [61] Originally by: MehTheTrader Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ ... You are spot on here; nerf gallente and do it now! ........ When ever in doubt; troll. There's a thin line between professional gate camping and just standing by a gate looking like an idiot...
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:59:00 - [62] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. What minmatar ships do you fly?
Zasses	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:13:00 - [63] Why not nerf everything and have everyone do missions in a shuttle.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:24:00 - [64] OP has officialy no clue! AC has lowest DPS of all close range turrets. Arties have lowest DPS of all long range turrets! Check database before spiting sensless statements! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
phalanxTW F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:33:00 - [65] I never thought I'd see the day... a nerf minmatar thread... wow.
Arachidamia Matari People's Front	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:36:00 - [66] Hard to take this thread seriously. Out of all races I'd say Minmatar are perhaps the best balanced. If you want to fix a race, look at lasers.
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:44:00 - [67] O.o as i see it the only two races balanced is minmatar and gallente. boost caldari alittle bit (in other words remove the privius nerfs to them). and multi freaking killer boost amarr.. those poor guys dont stand a chance in the long run, i mean seriusly, they got low dps(in reality, although i know they have the highest basic dps if you stand still at optimal), there tanks are useless when using lasers (since caps say puf and gone), their speed is kind of a joke compared to the more speeding races. they have non really EW designed effective ships... actually they kind of have nothing in theyre favour O.o poor guys. STOP NERFING AND START BOOSTING. no body likes to be nerfed, every bodi loves to get a boost, so boost those weaker races to be competative in pvp
Shagrath Neptune Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 26/06/2007 12:53:02 It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers say to hell with it, make all races, classes, ships weapons ect the same and just slap a different skin on them. DAOC was the same way. Everyone whining about what someone has access to in the other realms. Soon the devs caved and now that game is a mess and is dying. One reason is because people whined and the Devs changed around the classes too much. In all honesty, this is the first time I have read a post where someone wanted all of Minmater nerfed. I have read posts about wanting the Vaga nerfed but not the entire race. I would say Gallente would have to take one hell of a nerf first before we even think about nerfing Minmater. How about if they just boost Amarr to bring it up to speed with the other three races and call it a day?
Dionisius Gallente Vindictive Behavior THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:25:00 - [69] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Cut the speed of a minie ship = minie ship dead. They do less damage, they spend more ammo, they miss a bit more already. They have the shi**st cap capacity of all races so, what¦s really your problem? _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
JabJabVVV Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:38:00 - [70] I too will not be happy until every race is identical, in fact I think CCP should go one better.. make every ship identical please, this will presumably make Eve more fun or something. Oh actually, that's a moronic idea. (disclaimer: I'm a Caldari missile specialist - I have no vested interest in not nerfing minmater except that I think 'balance' can go too far and detract from the game) Having said that, I suspect this is an intentional troll post; however the sad thing is that some people actually think like this. ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things.

Vyyrus Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:44:00 - [71] Its funny how only the noobs say nerf this neft that and they usually get their way =[
Trishan Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.26 13:50:00 - [72] Nerf? Whatever. We already got our, what, -20% dps on the last patch on most of our ship. I don't give a damn anymore. Eventually we'll become even worse than amarr and then ccp will see that they overnerfed. I'm sure they hate the speed thing. They would probably be happy if we all flew bricks like the 'strom that once the fight starts it can't go anywhere. Or before it does. But that's not the point :)
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:03:00 - [73] Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Its funny that you can only argue against gallente. No way you could say mini is not overpowered compared to ammar/caldari. Yes gallente have biggest dps that is fair they are fine. Minimatar have better dps(exp ammo-do you fly mini?) than caldari and ammar. Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . What are you smoking Meh ?? Minnie HAVE to cross train - no other race has to use a combo of Missiles AND Drones AND Guns to get their DPS, then there are the ships - some minnies ships are Armour Tanks, some are Shield tanks - so ya gotta get the Armour AND sheild Tanks skills up. . . . cap ships . . oh yeah - Gotta Train Cap Torpedoes AND Cap Projectiles or leave 2 slots empty Yes - a well trained Minnie Pilot will do OK. . I only fly Minnie Frig/AF/Inty/Cruiser/Hac/BC and BS - can't fly anything else - but at 28 Million SP I still can't get the max out of those ship. Cyclone Sheild tanks, Typhoon better for Armour etc My alt with teh same SP is better across a wider variety of ships flying Gallente . . . .and Don't even get me started on Mission running ships - I wish Minnie ones were as good as Caldari for PvE . . wish I only had to train missiles to be good ! All races have their own slot (except Amarr of course because they suck) - but Minnie ships definitely don't need any nerf
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Zasses Why not nerf everything and have everyone do missions in a shuttle. oh, don't be silly, everyone knows that the shuttle tanks about as well, say, a templar, which coincidently is amarr and used by carriers... Sorry, i could not resist... ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Shagrath Neptune Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 26/06/2007 12:53:02 It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers say to hell with it, make all races, classes, ships weapons ect the same and just slap a different skin on them. DAOC was the same way. Everyone whining about what someone has access to in the other realms. Soon the devs caved and now that game is a mess and is dying. One reason is because people whined and the Devs changed around the classes too much. In all honesty, this is the first time I have read a post where someone wanted all of Minmater nerfed. I have read posts about wanting the Vaga nerfed but not the entire race. I would say Gallente would have to take one hell of a nerf first before we even think about nerfing Minmater. How about if they just boost Amarr to bring it up to speed with the other three races and call it a day? Never has their been a truer or more important post on this board! It is now my sig! It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers say to hell with it, make all races, classes, ships weap
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Shagrath Neptune Edited by: Shagrath Neptune on 26/06/2007 12:53:02 It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers say to hell with it, make all races, classes, ships weapons ect the same and just slap a different skin on them. No, people like the OP I think are pretty well just laughed at or ignored by everybody except other players on the forums. It's not like he's actually made any logical arguments or backed anything up. It's just routine trollbait. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Shinjuro Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:24:00 - [77] I Currently have a Caldari spec/Heavy Minnie Spec Character. I used to have a Gallante/Caldari Spec. In my time with both I have learned 3 things. 1. Minmatar are totally worthless at anything other than a slightly better alpha strike than most, and at going somewhat faster than the opposition. They are the lowest dps at basically everything they do. They are the worst tanking race in game. 2. Gallante needed/needs/always will need until it happens a nerf. Good tanking abilities, Best DPS in game. Best Drone abilities in game. AND FFS THE DOMI! And for someone to say boost caldari.. LoL Why Should I even have to say anything. 3. Amarr is kinda the in between/uper half of everything. BEST tanking ships in game. Good alpha strikes, good dps, good mid range. Crappy dmg types. IMO I would say that if CCP are gonna make Matar the alpha/speed race.. Then ffs make it happen, it is even arguable that a lot of ships obsolete everything that Matar can do. And with that said.. Amarr need a boost. Ya sure they got the best 3 cap ships in game.. But who cares, they need a boost for the everyday players, not the burned out 3-4 year vets.
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:38:00 - [78] Edited by: Incantare on 26/06/2007 16:37:42 Originally by: Kagura Nikon OP has officialy no clue! AC has lowest DPS of all close range turrets. Arties have lowest DPS of all long range turrets! Check database before spiting sensless statements! While I don't agree with the OP, simply saying that ACs have the lowest does not paint the whole picture for two reasons: 1) Ships with Damage and RoF bonuses or just RoF 2) EXP is a great damage type to deal because of the prevalence of armor tankers in pvp. While minnie raw dps may be low effective dps is great on armor, and phased plasma / EMP are good on shields. Compare that to Amarr dealing limited to EM / therm, minnie has it easy. Also to whoever said minnie can't tank, well it depends on the ship, Maelstrom has an amazing tank, same with the Claymore / Sleip. That said I think minmatar are the most balanced race, they're perfectly fine. Gallente though...
N Solarz Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:45:00 - [79] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. MehTheTrader, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:49:00 - [80] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 26/06/2007 16:37:42 Originally by: Kagura Nikon OP has officialy no clue! AC has lowest DPS of all close range turrets. Arties have lowest DPS of all long range turrets! Check database before spiting sensless statements! While I don't agree with the OP, simply saying that ACs have the lowest does not paint the whole picture for two reasons: 1) Ships with Damage and RoF bonuses or just RoF 2) EXP is a great damage type to deal because of the prevalence of armor tankers in pvp. While minnie raw dps may be low effective dps is great on armor, and phased plasma / EMP are good on shields. Compare that to Amarr dealing limited to EM / therm, minnie has it easy. Also to whoever said minnie can't tank, well it depends on the ship, Maelstrom has an amazing tank, same with the Claymore / Sleip. That said I think minmatar are the most balanced race, they're perfectly fine. Gallente though... The ships with Both Rof And Damage bonuses have 1 less turrets than their counterparts. Rupture vs Torax HUrricane vs Harbringer or Brutix Tempest vs Anything else. So the Both damage and Rof bonus means squat nothing. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

Copine Callmeknau Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:55:00 - [81] Utterly clueless thread Lock for flamebait? ----- Originally by: Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:01:00 - [82] Edited by: Incantare on 26/06/2007 17:01:04 Quote: The ships with Both Rof And Damage bonuses have 1 less turrets than their counterparts. Rupture vs Torax HUrricane vs Harbringer or Brutix Tempest vs Anything else. So the Both damage and Rof bonus means squat nothing. It means autocannon dps isn't gimped after bonus. 25% increase in RoF is a 33% increase in damage, the equivalent of two exra turrets on a pest. And on top of that having two extra slots for heavy nos or missile launchers is an advantage. And the pest gets an extra slot compared to the other t2 BS to compensate for the double damage bonus. A mael with 800mm IIs can do over 1100 dps with hail and drones, Minmatar are certainly not gimped dps wise. What was your point again?
MotherMoon Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:03:00 - [83] this is reminding me of... NASCAR! ALL CARS MUST BE THE SAME!! rawr! stupid
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 26/06/2007 17:01:04 Quote: The ships with Both Rof And Damage bonuses have 1 less turrets than their counterparts. Rupture vs Torax HUrricane vs Harbringer or Brutix Tempest vs Anything else. So the Both damage and Rof bonus means squat nothing. It means autocannon dps isn't gimped after bonus. 25% increase in RoF is a 33% increase in damage, the equivalent of two exra turrets on a pest. And on top of that having two extra slots for heavy nos or missile launchers is an advantage. And the pest gets an extra slot compared to the other t2 BS to compensate for the double damage bonus. A mael with 800mm IIs can do over 1100 dps with hail and drones, Minmatar are certainly not gimped dps wise. What was your point again? yes.. means only that they have not gimped damage after using they 2 bonuses for that. While other races need only 1 bonus for that and have another nice bonus for something else. Very few minmatar ships have GOOD dps (specially when you remember they fight in deep falloff). Their only good assset is chance of selecting damage type.. but that is only available on T1 ammo and on very limited level. Nothing compared to caldari capability of choosing damage type. Sayng minmatar have high dps is insane! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kedor Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:44:00 - [85] What people fly is a good way to analyze the prefered ship. This also translate into what people think is the best ship, because people want to have the best. It¦s in our nature to try and be tougher/meaner/better than our competition. These statistics are taken from the EON magazine(ship types): EON 2 - Top 10 most popular Cruisers (1 to 10) Thorax, Osprey, Caracal, Blackbird, Moa, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Exequror and Omen EON 3 - Top 10 most popular Frigates (1 to 10) Kestrel, Rifter, Bantam, Condor, Merlin, Imicus, Probe, Executioner, Tristan and Punisher EON 6 - Top 10 most popular Battleships (1 to 8, No tier 3 and no Faction) Raven, Dominix, Megathron, Apocalypse, Scorpion, Armageddon, Tempest, Typhoon Now some numbers: EON 2 - Battleships in service Raven 14130, Apocalypse 12976, Megathron 10411, Dominix 7666, Scorpion 7537, Armageddon 7370, Tempest 5920, Typhoon 2393 EON 4 - Interdictors in service Flycatcher 1036, Eris 785, Heretic 637, Sabre 563 EON 7 - Tier-2 Battlecruisers in service Drake 10495, Myrmidon 5105, Hurricane 3626, Harbringer 2545 Omitted EON 3 Force Recon, to low numbers, and EON 5 Stealth Bombers, clear Manticore win with old fittings. Note: From EON 2 to EON 6 Mega and Domi passed the Apoc Conclusion: Most people tend to fly Caldari and Galente with Minmatar and Amarr way behind for these ship types. Some of these facts are old though, but it does give us a hint. I would really like to see some updated numbers.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:02:00 - [86] Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: Mangold Another nerf this and boost that thread..... Seriously, you obviously have no clue about minmatar ships. Have you tried blasterthron VS AC pest? Or a nos domi vs AC pest? Or a deimos vs munnin? Or a deimos vs Vaga? With 2 equally skilled pilots the only engagement the minmatar ship would win is the vaga vs deimos and that is because the vaga would warp out.... Get a clue. Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall. First there is no EXP ammo. There are ammo types that do some explosive damage combined with some other damage type, generally in the second half of our falloff while orbiting. what this means is Minmatar, more than any other race cannot be judged by theoretical damage alone. Second, in your op Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. you specifically mention Blasters and Torps while leaving out anything amarr related. Don't come back a few posts later and complain about people using gallente blaster boats as examples. Third, bar nothing shield tanked missile ships are the best in pve in the game. Caldari have them at every level. They also have Hybrid weapon ships (namely rails) which give them the best range for instant damage at every level. Sure they fill niche roles, but the same can be said of any race. Fourth, while the amarr have problems with omni armor tanks, of which there are alot I'll grant you, thats really their only problem. Everyone has fitting issues on certain ships. Amarr also get (arguably) the best Recons and Capitals. There are only 4 races of player ships in Eve. Someone is always going to be at the top and bottom. It's just to hard to completely balance all the ships in every race for pve and for pvp. Overall Minmatar are in 2nd or 3rd right now and either way I see no reason for a nerf.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:34:00 - [87] i would ignore this thread entirely the entire premise is completely the product of lack of experience and skill this thread is more likely the product of my raven got ganked by a vaga while rating this guys has no facts , no figures , just a wandering circular arguments dancing around facts and shovelling $h*t
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:49:00 - [88] 3 pages for an obvious troll. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
General Xerxes Delta Omega Iota Inc. Breidablik	Posted - 2007.06.26 19:00:00 - [89] Originally by: William Hamilton (They are, RP-wise, supposed to be second only to gallente in dorne usage) No, RP-wise Caldari are the experts on Fighters. Their single man fighters were their biggest asset in the Gallente-Caldari war and these were then upgraded to Frigates when Drones made them obselete. Drones and Fighters aren't the same thing, despite using the same system. BTW, I'm not saying your idea is bad, just that their isn't any backstory support for it IIRC. It would be perfectly logical that the Caldari stole drone technology from the gallente and adpated it for their own uses, but do Caldari really need another slow, cap-free, multi-damage type weapon? Also, why do people always ignore the Caldari rail ships when they whine about them being sucky at pvp? The rokh is a very good fleet ship, or so I've heard(I only fly drone ships myself), and missiles are very effective up close and in small gangs with tacklers.
Watauga Minmatar The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.26 19:08:00 - [90] No race needs to be nerfed. Some races may need to be boosted. Every race have their advantages/disadvantages and so do their ships. That is one things that makes this game so fun. Deciding what role you need to fill in certain situations, you have to think about ship type and setup. I have been playing this character almost four years now and concentrated on minmatar for one or two years now, partly because it better to good at one race than average or poor at all races and partly I don't play enough to think about how to fly every ship in this game. I have crazy sp so I am going to fit ships in ways most can't so I have an advantage most don't. The only times I fly another race is to fulfill a role in fleet engagements that I can't in minmatar. For example, a lot of newer players want to pew pew and I don't really care so I fit for EW. I fly Caldari in that situation. I don't think Minmatar should be boosted in EW, although I wouldn't complain if that were to happen. It is just part of the game. Watauga

MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 19:52:00 - [91] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 20:10:09 Originally by: Kagura Nikon OP has officialy no clue! AC has lowest DPS of all close range turrets. Arties have lowest DPS of all long range turrets! Check database before spiting sensless statements! Ok im not talking about dps per se. Its all the in the EXP ammo.!! Ammar has highest dps but crappiest damage.. so read before you say its a senseless statement. They outdps raw missles as well.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:26:00 - [92] Originally by: MehTheTrader Ok im not talking about dps per se. Its all the in the EXP ammo.!! Ammar has highest dps but crappiest damage.. so read before you say its a senseless statement. They outdps raw missles as well. Minie has poor EM damage, have you any idea how long and how much ammo it takes for a Vaga to kill a drake Ravens die pretty fast under Laser fire, sometimes I wish I could fire pure Em projectiles...sometimes I love my hail and barrage. It's all relative to what you are fighting. Poor Minie suffers as it is...whats next, rationing the duct tape on phoons I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:32:00 - [93] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: MehTheTrader Ok im not talking about dps per se. Its all the in the EXP ammo.!! Ammar has highest dps but crappiest damage.. so read before you say its a senseless statement. They outdps raw missles as well. Minie has poor EM damage, have you any idea how long and how much ammo it takes for a Vaga to kill a drake Ravens die pretty fast under Laser fire, sometimes I wish I could fire pure Em projectiles...sometimes I love my hail and barrage. It's all relative to what you are fighting. Poor Minie suffers as it is...whats next, rationing the duct tape on phoons I have been prepared for the nerfing of duct tape on typhoons. Ive got two giant secure containers full of rolls. _______________________________________________ It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers s
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:49:00 - [94] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 20:48:45 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: MehTheTrader Ok im not talking about dps per se. Its all the in the EXP ammo.!! Ammar has highest dps but crappiest damage.. so read before you say its a senseless statement. They outdps raw missles as well. Minie has poor EM damage, have you any idea how long and how much ammo it takes for a Vaga to kill a drake Ravens die pretty fast under Laser fire, sometimes I wish I could fire pure Em projectiles...sometimes I love my hail and barrage. It's all relative to what you are fighting. Poor Minie suffers as it is...whats next, rationing the duct tape on phoons yes the raven is dangerous in a 1v1 situation with no ew. And if you are 2v1.. well you screwed up already. Most drakes devote all med and low slots to tank. My new favorite line "Nerf Minimatar".
Opium Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:53:00 - [95] we have t2 duct-tape,its for repairing all the frackin nerfs.
Ekscalybur	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:29:00 - [96] Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Did you just say biasticism???
Dano Katiria adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:34:00 - [97] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. shut the hell up, imo it is prety balance atm, i would like to see a little less drone dps and a little less nos = win otherwise it = good Being nice is for ugly people - Falazi
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:47:00 - [98] Originally by: Ekscalybur Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! Did you just say biasticism??? We don't speak German, making up words from other words is not allowed.
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:48:00 - [99] Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: Mangold Another nerf this and boost that thread..... Seriously, you obviously have no clue about minmatar ships. Have you tried blasterthron VS AC pest? Or a nos domi vs AC pest? Or a deimos vs munnin? Or a deimos vs Vaga? With 2 equally skilled pilots the only engagement the minmatar ship would win is the vaga vs deimos and that is because the vaga would warp out.... Get a clue. Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall. Mnnnngh. EXP ammo on a Vagabond? Did you not listen last time I explained this to you? I'm a Vagabond pilot. I would never load EXP ammo. Why? Because web range = death. K? Originally by: MehTheTrader No biasiticism just stating facts. Minimatar can stay at 10km, have incredible speed, no cap use guns, and have way better damage with exp compared to caldari/ammar. That is too much in a package, their damage should be lower than ammar and caldari and as well to compensate for speed and no cap guns. Nerf the Power !! 10km with EXP? Oh right of course. Sorry, what's the range on an autocannon again? Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 13:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Dark Flare Mnnnngh. EXP ammo on a Vagabond? Did you not listen last time I explained this to you? I'm a Vagabond pilot. I would never load EXP ammo. Why? Because web range = death. K? Now you are getting mysterious, last I checked Barrage was mostly exp damage... Originally by: Dark Flare 10km with EXP? Oh right of course. Sorry, what's the range on an autocannon again? Who cares about the range of autocannons? It's all about the fallof... Some old kills, I stopped providing free intel

Capitan Harlock	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:25:00 - [101] Originally by: MehTheTrader Nerf Minmatar!! Kill yourself m8. In game obviously....
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:26:00 - [102] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Dark Flare Mnnnngh. EXP ammo on a Vagabond? Did you not listen last time I explained this to you? I'm a Vagabond pilot. I would never load EXP ammo. Why? Because web range = death. K? Now you are getting mysterious, last I checked Barrage was mostly exp damage... Originally by: Dark Flare 10km with EXP? Oh right of course. Sorry, what's the range on an autocannon again? Who cares about the range of autocannons? It's all about the fallof... I prseume he is referring to "Hail" which is almost entirely (if not entirely, I can't remember) EXP based. Barrage is low damage at the best of times, so if he's talking about that he's a fool And falloff with Hail probably doesn't hit 10km :P Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:46:00 - [103] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 26/06/2007 20:10:09 Originally by: Kagura Nikon OP has officialy no clue! AC has lowest DPS of all close range turrets. Arties have lowest DPS of all long range turrets! Check database before spiting sensless statements! Ok im not talking about dps per se. Its all the in the EXP ammo.!! Ammar has highest dps but crappiest damage.. so read before you say its a senseless statement. They outdps raw missles as well. Fit a dam Explosive hardener !! God forbid people of using the brain and makinf soemthing different than 2 EANM + DC tank!!! Its unthinkable!!!! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:03:00 - [104] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: MehTheTrader Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall. orly? Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Blasters = gallente. Funny you say that Minmatar have the best BC. Of all the ships I've found in 0.0 Drake have been the most common BC and actually the hardest one to kill. Last time I looked it was a Caldari ship. All ships have their strengths and weaknesses. Yep Drake, cause everyone and their mother rats there.. have you tried it as a damage dealer or in 1v1 against a say.. myrmidon?
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:06:00 - [105] nerf minmatar ? are you seleene's alt ? Rent your level 5 caldari agent
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:07:00 - [106] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Oh all this naysay and poppycoc has given me a stupendous idea. I'm gonna train hybrids, launchers, projectiles and fit each to go with a laser turret, go and find me 4 cruisers or some such and shoot them. Just to see which one goes down first. Ofcourse on the hybrid one, i'll send drones too, but that's just so i can rig the results and claim gallente are overpowered Hahaha, this is awesome :), but seriously, actually adding drones will technically fit the picture, and not rig the results in anyway :)
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:21:00 - [107] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /signed. Gallintar-Online is too boring. Please CCP boost Caldamarr and even up the battlefield. Jenny, Jenny :))
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:24:00 - [108] Originally by: Malachon Draco I don't understand everybody complaining all the time about various races. Races are different, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Each has good ships and bad ships. About every race has a number of ships I love to fly/would love to fly if I could. Whether its Caldari for the fleet support (eagle/sniper vulture) or Pve (Raven), Gallente for the nasty recons (Arazu), cheap dampening ships (Celestis) or tanked Domis, blaster Hyperions and nasty CBCs, Amarr with the Pilgrim, CBC tanks, frontline carrier or Minmatar with Vagabond, Sleipnir, Sabre or Tempest with alphastrike. Instead of focusing on weaknesses for each race and keep harping on them, you might wanna focus on strengths. Yes, the Amarr interdictor might be a bit crappy, and the Ferox is rather mediocre, but that doesn't mean a race is crap. aha..show me 1 bad ship above frigate class for the Gallente.... ??????????????? i seriously can't think of one..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:27:00 - [109] Originally by: Malachon Draco Whether its Caldari for the fleet support (eagle/sniper vulture) or Pve (Raven) Instead of focusing on weaknesses for each race and keep harping on them, you might wanna focus on strengths. Yes, the Amarr interdictor might be a bit crappy, and the Ferox is rather mediocre, but that doesn't mean a race is crap. Yes, thank you CCP for creating a race for PvE and support only to ships that actually have a say in PvP (not PvE). I am focusing on my races strengths, and that's why i do missions.. thank you again, i can't stress enough how much i thank you!!!
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:30:00 - [110] Originally by: MasterDecoy nerf whiners boost gallente ummmm gallente = whiners.. don't see how what you're saying will be possible.. boost gallente? with what you already have best ships in game.. oh sorry, now you need minmatar speed too... yeaaahh, that sounds like a great idea.. huh.. maybe the devs should look into it for you...

Father Weebles Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:43:00 - [111] I'm a minmatar pilot. My race is gimped in some ways but outshines other races in certain areas. I fly a tempest with t2 acs, but Id much rather fly a gank/ion II megathron. I have crappy shield skills, even then my Shield HP is more than the armor hp. Cane, not worth flying imo unless its fitted with t2 arty. Want gank? Heavy Neutron II Brutix. Want tank and gank? Go Myrmidon. Huginn. Great ship, my favorite. It's not the best recon however. Curse will beat a huginn 1v1, Rook and Arazu are better for big gang combat. Rupture, possibly the best t1 cruiser. A good Vexor or Thorax pilot can kill one though. "You leave anything for us?" "Just bodies."
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:53:00 - [112] Originally by: Kedor What people fly is a good way to analyze the prefered ship. This also translate into what people think is the best ship, because people want to have the best. It¦s in our nature to try and be tougher/meaner/better than our competition. These statistics are taken from the EON magazine(ship types): EON 2 - Top 10 most popular Cruisers (1 to 10) Thorax, Osprey, Caracal, Blackbird, Moa, Rupture, Maller, Vexor, Exequror and Omen EON 3 - Top 10 most popular Frigates (1 to 10) Kestrel, Rifter, Bantam, Condor, Merlin, Imicus, Probe, Executioner, Tristan and Punisher EON 6 - Top 10 most popular Battleships (1 to 8, No tier 3 and no Faction) Raven, Dominix, Megathron, Apocalypse, Scorpion, Armageddon, Tempest, Typhoon Now some numbers: EON 2 - Battleships in service Raven 14130, Apocalypse 12976, Megathron 10411, Dominix 7666, Scorpion 7537, Armageddon 7370, Tempest 5920, Typhoon 2393 EON 4 - Interdictors in service Flycatcher 1036, Eris 785, Heretic 637, Sabre 563 EON 7 - Tier-2 Battlecruisers in service Drake 10495, Myrmidon 5105, Hurricane 3626, Harbringer 2545 Omitted EON 3 Force Recon, to low numbers, and EON 5 Stealth Bombers, clear Manticore win with old fittings. Note: From EON 2 to EON 6 Mega and Domi passed the Apoc Conclusion: Most people tend to fly Caldari and Galente with Minmatar and Amarr way behind for these ship types. Some of these facts are old though, but it does give us a hint. I would really like to see some updated numbers. Of course after this great statistic you should list the REASONS: Caldari cruiser - Osprey - mining bonus, Caracal - heavily used for missions (lvl 2/3) Frigs - Kestrel.. same as Cacaral + good cargo BS - Raven - Ratting/Missions... Now.. can you show me where the great IDEA of PvP game that EvE is shines in Caldari ships?.. oh i forgot we can provide SUPPORT in battles.. good.. in fact i'm loving it more and more every day..
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:16:00 - [113] Edited by: Nim9i5 on 28/06/2007 02:15:10 Caldari
Garan Tormas Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:45:00 - [114] Ah, but you missed the point guys. He didn't say nerf Minmatar - he said "nerf Minimatar". They are our pygmy cousins and they're evil. Seriously, OP hasn't the first clue what they're talking about. Great dps. Bwahahahahahaha. Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along.
Kowaii Hitori Old Warriors Pax Familia	Posted - 2007.06.28 16:15:00 - [115] I will say that my only complaint to the minmitar is the bloody vagabond. Drop the speed boost just a bit.
Anytime Baby	Posted - 2007.11.01 02:15:00 - [116] Originally by: Kowaii Hitori I will say that my only complaint to the minmitar is the bloody vagabond. Drop the speed boost just a bit. QFT... Minmatar are a very balanced race with the exception of the vagabond. This isn't to say that some of its ships aren't superior in ways that they shouldn't be, but those issues are with other races.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.01 02:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Anytime Baby Originally by: Kowaii Hitori I will say that my only complaint to the minmitar is the bloody vagabond. Drop the speed boost just a bit. QFT... Minmatar are a very balanced race with the exception of the vagabond. This isn't to say that some of its ships aren't superior in ways that they shouldn't be, but those issues are with other races. Nerf necro
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.11.01 02:39:00 - [118] Originally by: MehTheTrader great dps What? _
Tidas Andrommeda Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:03:00 - [119] You try getting raped by your Amarrish masters for centuries then come back with "we don't deserve compensation". It still hurts when I sit...
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:12:00 - [120] I had forgotten about this thread. Gave me a chuckle, even though the OP was completly clueless and should've been calling for a nerf to gallente .

Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:50:00 - [121] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. man just shut up and think, minmatar are great and because you suck doesnt mean they need a nerf, they are good at what they do. Also my blasters will absolutely destroy autocannons in dps, but see i am slow and my guns take cap. Minmatar are a people to be feared and i wanna worry about more then gallente. Thank you. *You just got WTF EXIT ganked!*
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:52:00 - [122] Originally by: Transcendant One I had forgotten about this thread. Gave me a chuckle, even though the OP was completly clueless and should've been calling for a nerf to gallente . ' your also stupid, blasters are about the only good thing gallente do now besides drones, now that damps are getting nerfed. If you nerf blasters we will just plain suck balls. ****. You just got WTF EXIT ganked!**
Freedom Rain Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:56:00 - [123] Leave us minnies alone dammit, we're getting by with duct tape and crazy glue as it is.. fix amarr so those ships are flyable, that's where the imbalance is..
Octaviun Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.01 04:11:00 - [124] does anyone read before they post? this thread is really old ;\ _________________________________________________
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.01 04:18:00 - [125] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth your also stupid, blasters are about the only good thing gallente do now besides drones, now that damps are getting nerfed. If you nerf blasters we will just plain suck balls. *****. Now.* His post was months ago. What happened in between? Several well deserved, severe, Gallente nerfs. Engage brain before talking, nub.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:33:00 - [126] /signed --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:12:00 - [127] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Yeah Minmatar are overpowered, that's why most people fly Caldari/Gallente ... Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:15:00 - [128] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Yeah Minmatar are overpowered, that's why most people fly Caldari/Gallente ... No cap use on weapons is a big plus in pvp. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Skelator Stronghold corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:43:00 - [129] Edited by: Skelator on 04/01/2008 05:43:52 Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Sure let me just throw away the years I have spent on autocannon and artillery Specialization and all the skills that go with them for Minmitar..... The artillery Alpha strike was almost cut in half a few years ago already. Sounds to me like the OP got owned by a Minnie ship. Our Knights/GhostFleet are available for small honorable contracts. Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:45:00 - [130] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Great dps?They get the lowest of all the turrets. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:48:00 - [131] Originally by: goodby4u Great dps?They get the lowest of all the turrets. Umm.... - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:58:00 - [132] jeez necroing a necro'd thread thats new - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:11:00 - [133] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Great dps?They get the lowest of all the turrets. What does that mean? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:27:00 - [134] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Great dps?They get the lowest of all the turrets. what are you talking about? minmatar have the second highest dps...
Paeniteo	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:55:00 - [135] Edited by: Paeniteo on 04/01/2008 07:00:39 This thread is designed for indirect Amarr nerfage. It must be stopped! Edit - Wtf this thread is 6/2007. Everyone stop posting now
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:08:00 - [136] The OP is nuts :) Considering that Minmatar ships take the most skills to fly properly they should be more powerful not less. I mean we have to learn to use projectiles, drones, missiles, shield tanking, armor tanking, etc to be effective with our ships due to how they are split on hardpoints and the fact every other ship seems to change from armor to shield tanking.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:10:00 - [137] as a minmatar I have to train skills all over the bloody place, seriously you should play a minnie char and see how many skills we have to train up! -------------------------------------------- Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. mooooooo.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:11:00 - [138] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Yeah Minmatar are overpowered, that's why most people fly Caldari/Gallente ... No cap use on weapons is a big plus in pvp. So to compensate, we get the smallest capacitors. Sure we don't have to decide whether to tank or fire, we have to decide whether to tank or run the MWD. Akkarin I don't mean to sound bitter and twisted, but I am, so that's how it comes out. <3 - Immy
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:17:00 - [139] Funny thread, Im happy i got 2 racial BS skills on 5 and 3 racial cruiser skills to 5, all i can say is, dont boost amarr!! :p
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:19:00 - [140] So as not to feed the Trolls too much, I will just say what must be said: No. That's all folks. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o

Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Taua Roqa as a minmatar I have to train skills all over the bloody place, seriously you should play a minnie char and see how many skills we have to train up! Uhm amarr have to train alot of skills too. How about all cap related skills to lvl5 and ship lvl skill to lvl 5 to viably be competetive with cap and tank? How about that alot of our ships are purely missiles based with missile dmg bonus. Wich means T2 skill levels in missiles aswell as lasers. Nav skills we need aswell, we got a nano hac and 2 inties. Many amarr ships have very big drone bays, T2 drone skills aswell. Amarr dont train shields, thats about it. How is minmatar so much more skill intense? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:59:00 - [142] LOL, the OP is just a trader anyways, so he doesn't know much about PVP. He got killed by a player in a Minmatar ship, and got mad because of that. I'm sure if it had been a player in an Amarr ship, it would be a Nerf Amarr topic.
Madboy Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:05:00 - [143] Edited by: Madboy on 04/01/2008 09:05:35 Originally by: AstroPhobic Minimal speed boost, only relevant in certain ships (Anyone see nano-tempests bouncing around?) Autocannons dont hold a candle to blasters in DPS (might I say that pulses got a tracking bonus for fun ) Arty DPS is horrid and burst damage sucks with the new HP buff.. No cap guns sure, just like caldari's missiles Need I mention that you have to train your speed skills high to be effective, your armor skills, your shield skills, your drone skills, your gun skills, your missile skills, your cap skills, your PG skills to fit artillery... Get all of that maxed and you will be sub-par for PvE still and be rivaling gallente in PvP. Astro Armor skills - Check Shield skills - Check Drone skills - Check Gun skills - Check Powergrid skills - Check Cap skill - Check Navigation skills - Check Missile skill - To be done within the next 6 - 8 months Around 5 years of training. Man, that's a bit depressing. Always trying to patch a fracken hole somewhere. It's never ending. - Madboy
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:08:00 - [144] Originally by: Skaz jeez necroing a necro'd thread thats new QFT! This thread = dead... please re-bury it ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:13:00 - [145] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Taua Roqa as a minmatar I have to train skills all over the bloody place, seriously you should play a minnie char and see how many skills we have to train up! Uhm amarr have to train alot of skills too. How about all cap related skills to lvl5 and ship lvl skill to lvl 5 to viably be competetive with cap and tank? How about that alot of our ships are purely missiles based with missile dmg bonus. Wich means T2 skill levels in missiles aswell as lasers. Nav skills we need aswell, we got a nano hac and 2 inties. Many amarr ships have very big drone bays, T2 drone skills aswell. Amarr dont train shields, thats about it. How is minmatar so much more skill intense? this
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:26:00 - [146] Originally by: L70Rogue Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Taua Roqa as a minmatar I have to train skills all over the bloody place, seriously you should play a minnie char and see how many skills we have to train up! Uhm amarr have to train alot of skills too. How about all cap related skills to lvl5 and ship lvl skill to lvl 5 to viably be competetive with cap and tank? How about that alot of our ships are purely missiles based with missile dmg bonus. Wich means T2 skill levels in missiles aswell as lasers. Nav skills we need aswell, we got a nano hac and 2 inties. Many amarr ships have very big drone bays, T2 drone skills aswell. Amarr dont train shields, thats about it. How is minmatar so much more skill intense? this Not really. That's pretty much fail and doesn't apply to this thread orginally. This was started before Amarr received missile ships... But, to be useful in Minnie... You need Cap, Shield, Armor, Nav (maxed), Electronics, Missiles, Guns, blah blah... Apples > Oranges... Amarr have wicked armor tanks, minnie have to go quick to tank (Like an amarr pilot I know says: I web you, you die. And he's half my age in-game) ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Vagablonde Minmatar Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:23:00 - [147] Edited by: Vagablonde on 04/01/2008 11:23:11 fail. ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
Oyuio	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:44:00 - [148] Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. let me laugh another whine post
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:44:00 - [149] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: MehTheTrader Speed, great dps, no cap guns?? that is just nuts. Increase damage on blasters and torpedos to compensate, or decrease damage on minimatar. Yeah Minmatar are overpowered, that's why most people fly Caldari/Gallente ... No cap use on weapons is a big plus in pvp. So is high DPS (Gallente/Amarr), large Drone bay (Gallente), no tracking issues/ECM bonus/sensor strength/shield resist bonus (Caldari), better tank (Gallente/Amarr), no split weapon systems and needing fewer SP to fly a ship properly (everything but Minmatar). So what's your point really? Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Beetle Boy Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:34:00 - [150] Edited by: Beetle Boy on 04/01/2008 12:34:52 Edited by: Beetle Boy on 04/01/2008 12:34:36 Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: AstroPhobic Mini Speed is fine, but needs to lose dps to compensate, it can't have speed and dps. Either that or increase tank on ammar, and increase damage on missle torps. Gallente are fine as is, as they have to get close for dps. wtf are you talking about skills?? all races cross train nub . Right take the vaga. Speed is the only way it stays alive. And it wouldn't be able to kill jack if it had a dmg nerf. Also We know all races need skills but MINMATAR need that more time than other to get good dmg. They take longer than a blaster mega. whihc doesn't take long to get a good deal of dmg out of it.


CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:37:00 - [151] Necro from November 2007. Locked. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang

Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:39:00 - [152] Originally by: MehTheTrader Nice you put a gallente ships.. we are talking about caldari and ammar being underpowered not gallente. READ Anyways vaga beats deimos easily eventually after it runs out of cap, its cal EXP ammo. Munnin would do a better job though. Gallente have best bs. Minimatar has best bc and lower overall. Yeees. Of course, Minmatar EWAR ships are always primary because of the omg-wtf-bbq target painter bonus, unlike Caldari EWAR which nobody touches in a fight. Oh, wait..... Caldari have perfectly fine ships. It's just that you don't know how to fly them. This is your problem. Caldari have the best support frig, the best support cruiser, a very good BC (Drake), best interceptor for pimping out and easymode combat (Crow), a awesome HAC (Cerebus), although their combat cruiser lineup kinda sucks. Caracal is semi-decent, but the Moa is just a piece of trash. So it's you that sucks, not caldari. Amarr have very good smaller ships as well; both of their interceptors are great, their HACs are preety good (especially the sacriledge), they have a very good T1 frig and a very decent BC (the Harbringer). Amarr cruiser lineup mostly sucks except for the Arbitrator. So I really do not see a problem with Amarr/Caldari except their T1 (combat) cruisers which kindof suck. On the other hand, Gallente/Minmatar T1 support cruisers suck (the bellicose and the post-damp nerf celestis) while they have great T1 combat cruisers. Rifters!


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