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BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:47:00 - [1] I have noticed now, more and more capital pilot self destruct their ship when they know they are going to die to don't give the loss mail. Can CCP make a self destruct timer longer or the imposibility to self destruct when U are scrambled or something else? ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:55:00 - [2] Now that is too funny I realize that kill boards do serve a valid purpose on the Corp side But I always found the the personal love me wall or kill board hilarious for those that actually care about how many person kills they have. Another ladder system for self gratification. Well I don't see nothing broke so I am guessing the answer here would be no. But thanks for laugh
Xtreem Gallente CyberDyne.	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:58:00 - [3] alot of carrier pilots dont self desruct due to the mail, but rather so you dont get there expensive carrier mods. I have 2 carriers epeen carrier, ie all corp x / faction / officer and free and easy carrier - all t2 if my epeen carrier came under attack and i lost my fighters with no support, id hit the button 2 and deny you my nice loots :)
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Xtreem alot of carrier pilots dont self desruct due to the mail, but rather so you dont get there expensive carrier mods. I have 2 carriers epeen carrier, ie all corp x / faction / officer and free and easy carrier - all t2 if my epeen carrier came under attack and i lost my fighters with no support, id hit the button 2 and deny you my nice loots :) Grats for having two carriers but no clue about gamedynamics! --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:24:00 - [5] They still lose their carrier, correct? Therefore, you accomplished your purpose. Stop whining about your partially deflated e-peen. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Rake Mizar Freelance Assassins	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:35:00 - [6] Having read the 'other thread' on this topic, I think it would be nice if killmails went out to anyone who contributed 1% (or something) of damage or more to a ship. That way the pilot could self-destruct but there would be a record for the e-peen collectors that they were responsible for him pressing the big red button. It would also allow more accounting of a kill since instead of two corps boards showing one kill twice it could show 30% of one kill here and 70% there. This would also make sure that a mail went out if sentry guns were firing on the target and they got the final hit. WTB: T2 Exotic Dancers
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Rake Mizar Having read the 'other thread' on this topic, I think it would be nice if killmails went out to anyone who contributed 1% (or something) of damage or more to a ship. That way the pilot could self-destruct but there would be a record for the e-peen collectors that they were responsible for him pressing the big red button. It would also allow more accounting of a kill since instead of two corps boards showing one kill twice it could show 30% of one kill here and 70% there. This would also make sure that a mail went out if sentry guns were firing on the target and they got the final hit. Yer, let's implement some useless crap so we can all enjoy more lag. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Malashek Vatrii Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:38:00 - [8] One word. e-peen. Thats all it is. * * * * Iyay antway exysay imetay These views are mine, not my corps nor my alliances.. blahdy blah
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:40:00 - [9] No. Its far to funny. Sorry. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Rake Mizar stuff Just wanted to say your sig gave me a belly laugh. Thanks!
Xtreem Gallente CyberDyne.	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Xtreem on 27/06/2007 15:47:36 Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: Xtreem alot of carrier pilots dont self desruct due to the mail, but rather so you dont get there expensive carrier mods. I have 2 carriers epeen carrier, ie all corp x / faction / officer and free and easy carrier - all t2 if my epeen carrier came under attack and i lost my fighters with no support, id hit the button 2 and deny you my nice loots :) Grats for having two carriers but no clue about gamedynamics! they must have changed it recently then, see GM reply in this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=444579 damned rude c***
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:48:00 - [12] Two minues for blowing up a ship is long enough. Now what i WOULD like to see is an in space cancel button on it, escape pods being launched while it's happening and a smartbomb like explosion happening, dependant on size(discussed in detail in dark recesses of this here forums). About loosing a killmail over it, well, finally it has a purpose So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:48:00 - [13] Its their ship I guess they are entitled to self destruct if they wish Warp scrambled and under fire or just out of boredom sat in a belt ratting. The self destruct timer is to give the pilot a chance to recover from an accidental self destruct command not to help you enlarge your ego on a killboard. Personally I have never self destructed in combat (and the only capital I own is an obelisk ) but each to their own. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:49:00 - [14] Originally by: BABARR I have noticed now, more and more capital pilot self destruct their ship when they know they are going to die to don't give the loss mail. Who cares? You still made em loose their ship didn't you? They still lost all that isk didn't they? ---------------------- This space for rent
Theodwyn	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:04:00 - [15] if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out.
OneSock Silentia Mortalis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Theodwyn if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out. Valid points. But then the self destruct is a valid game mechanic so the whiners will just have to get over it/themselves. Maybe CCP should change the self destruct to an "ship overload". This action puts your warp core on max then dumps it into your cap causing a massive explosion with a bucket load of splash damage. That would give people something to think about.
Neslo Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Neslo on 27/06/2007 16:59:30 Originally by: Theodwyn if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out. Why not remove self destruct all together. While I'm with you with the no insurance payout as there should be a payoff for not getting insurance... that should be to deny the epeen of your oponent with the denial of a kill mail and the ability to destroy all your loot... This makes the reward system of self destruct (at any level not just capital level) hurt both the person doing it and gives a final finger to the attacker to deny them their prize, which is the point of self destruct in the first place. Making it longer defeats the purpose... it's a 2 minute timer for goodness sake AND tells you when it's initiated. Everyone in the system (or maybe just grid) gets a blackbox telling you it's gonna happen. It's find at 2 minutes. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Neslo Why not remove self destruct all together. While I'm with you with the no insurance payout as there should be a payoff for not giving your loot to your enemy... which is you don't get paid your insurance payout. Self destruct is a necessary evil, as those of us who have been double webbed and scrammed in the middle of nowhere and told to eject have discovered. ----------
Gammagandalf Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Neslo Originally by: Theodwyn if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out. Why not remove self destruct all together. While I'm with you with the no insurance payout as there should be a payoff for not giving your loot to your enemy... which is you don't get paid your insurance payout. this. you want to deny the one that beat you his reward? fine. but you should not expect compensation in form of insurance.
Neslo Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Gammagandalf Originally by: Neslo Originally by: Theodwyn if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out. Why not remove self destruct all together. While I'm with you with the no insurance payout as there should be a payoff for not giving your loot to your enemy... which is you don't get paid your insurance payout. this. you want to deny the one that beat you his reward? fine. but you should not expect compensation in form of insurance. 100% with ya. I'm just saying that if someone is going to self destruct... why make the time longer and put a loot.... might as well get rid of it completely. I'm with ya in that self destruct should equal no payout for insurance. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:03:00 - [21] I don't think that you should be able to self destruct if you have aggression. Critical hits boost Amarr damage
Neslo Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:06:00 - [22] Originally by: ghosttr I don't think that you should be able to self destruct if you have aggression. Again it's pointless to have it in the game if this were the case. Self destruct is a tool to deny your opponent their kill.... you don't see alot of NPCers going ah... screw it I'm not gonna win the mission... I'll self destruct... It's a pointless tool if you can't use it in PVP. Again for the record I'm all for removing insurance, but let's be resaonable when having a discussion for this feature. Realize what it is in game for and then make suggestions. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
Major Raditz MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:11:00 - [23] Remove self destruct for ship, but not pod. Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 27/06/2007 17:26:05 Originally by: Neslo .... you don't see alot of NPCers going ah... screw it I'm not gonna win the mission... I'll self destruct... No, but you should. I mean really, you fight your way through like 70 of them, you kill a dozen Battleships and their commander and after all that those last few little frigates have to know they've lost this one. They should either warp away or deny me their modules by committing suicide....either way I should still get the bounty. I think we need to start an NPC suicide campaign!
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Neslo Originally by: ghosttr I don't think that you should be able to self destruct if you have aggression. Again it's pointless to have it in the game if this were the case. Self destruct is a tool to deny your opponent their kill.... you don't see alot of NPCers going ah... screw it I'm not gonna win the mission... I'll self destruct... It's a pointless tool if you can't use it in PVP. Again for the record I'm all for removing insurance, but let's be resaonable when having a discussion for this feature. Realize what it is in game for and then make suggestions. Well then remove the insurance payout form it, and leave the loot. Critical hits boost Amarr damage
Oskar Kranzekian	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:48:00 - [26] Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: Xtreem alot of carrier pilots dont self desruct due to the mail, but rather so you dont get there expensive carrier mods. I have 2 carriers epeen carrier, ie all corp x / faction / officer and free and easy carrier - all t2 if my epeen carrier came under attack and i lost my fighters with no support, id hit the button 2 and deny you my nice loots :) Grats for having two carriers but no clue about gamedynamics! And exactly what game dynamic he is missing? Seem pretty logic. When all is lost, avoid helping the enemy denying the loot. It is done even in war, all you can't tow away should be disabled or destructed.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:52:00 - [27] Larger ships should have longer self destruct timers. Otherwise capital ships will just self destruct, and if it turns out they aren't going to die, they just cancel it at no cost... 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:55:00 - [28] Waaaaaahhhhhh, mommy, they're not playing fair, make them stop! Quit whining about your lack of e-peen. Bunch of babies...
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:57:00 - [29] It's their ship. They're allowed to do what they want with it, including self-destructing. There shouldn't be a timer on self-destruct, in my opinion. Or it should be short, or even better, configurable when you're in station, maybe via the fitting window. If the only reason for desiring the removal of self-destruct is that you don't get a killmail, that's not a good enough reason. Insurance payouts? Sure, I can see removing it for self-destruct. But only if you also remove insurance payouts for ships destroyed by CONCORD. Self-destructing is a completely viable tactic to prevent an enemy from being able to loot your ship or modules as it destroys all modules and fittings when it occurs. It's an absolutely legitimate tactic. SEARCh- we find sites for you!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.27 19:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Theodwyn if you selfdestruct, there should be a wreck with loot. also the insurance should not be paid out. Oh ? Really ? Can you explain WHY each of your proposals SHOULD be like that ? Because, unlinke you, I can't see why this is such an obvious "solution". Why not then, for instance, also deny insurance payout to "CONCORD suiciders" ? And why not, quite the opposite, instead of only "not having any loot" in the wreck, having no wreck at all AND the self-destruct triggering a blast of damage comparable to one from several smartbombs, depending on ship size/type ? The way it is now seems quite ok. I see no reason for any changes. If anything, you could even remove killmails altogether and only have gamelog data about damage you dealt and "notification: weapon stops firing because target blew up". Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained

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