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Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:04:00 - [1] so we have see post after post complaining of lag/desynchronize problems i would like an answer from ccp on what is being done about it. you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? walking around in stations may be cool for those who migrated from WoW but not for most of us. when i came to eve from earth and beyond i was stoked no one dancing in station no ****** emotes just evil space combat. is there anything you can say to give us hope that the dream will come to fruition? that our money isn't just being **ed away on additions to a game where it's main attraction is totally inadequate for the needs of the player i put this in general cause it is everyones concern please give us an answer. If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
Tivookz Caldari Reprocity Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:10:00 - [2] Edited by: Tivookz on 27/06/2007 16:09:35 I never do this but /signed. This game is about space combat, the space combat part is broken. Priority number one: Fix it asap plz. Priority number two: Make sure priority number one gets done properly. Tiv
Tivookz Caldari Reprocity Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Tivookz on 27/06/2007 16:09:26
Braaage Laborius Chapter	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:14:00 - [4] If only finding lag was as easy as saying "oh yeh it's ......, we can fix that tomorrow". There are so many factors involved servers, database servers, routers, backbones, service providers, home equipment (yeh I know Home stuff isn't really responsible for lag) and then the hamsters. Unless it's blatantley obvious to CCP as to what's causing it you might find it takes several weeks at least to pinpoint the cause and then finding a solution could take just as long. EVE seems as though it's a finely balanced continuous spinning top and just one slight thing programmed wrong and it starts to topple.
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Braaage If only finding lag was as easy as saying "oh yeh it's ......, we can fix that tomorrow". There are so many factors involved servers, database servers, routers, backbones, service providers, home equipment (yeh I know Home stuff isn't really responsible for lag) and then the hamsters. Unless it's blatantley obvious to CCP as to what's causing it you might find it takes several weeks at least to pinpoint the cause and then finding a solution could take just as long. EVE seems as though it's a finely balanced continuous spinning top and just one slight thing programmed wrong and it starts to topple. this being said the problem is an old one and i for one would like to know how they are planing to deal with this. with the population of new eden growing it will just get worse. If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:20:00 - [6] agreed
Tivookz Caldari Reprocity Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:21:00 - [7] Look, I'm not saying fix it TODAY like the average WoW noob would say. I know it takes time, all I am saying is, do whatever it takes but fix it asap no matter if it takes a month of half a year. All other plans should be lower on the prio list.
fnar g Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:24:00 - [8] Agreed. Originally by: Braaage Unless it's blatantley obvious to CCP as to what's causing it you might find it takes several weeks at least to pinpoint the cause and then finding a solution could take just as long. Very true however the effort being put into things such as walking in stations could be instead put into doing those performance improvements.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Eskalin (CCP) you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? Please point me to the post/article/advertisement that says "1000 ship battles"? All I've ever seen was "Huge fleet battles".. It seems all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this is that afaik the Devs always considered 100 on 100 a huge fight whilst the metagaming vent/ts phenominon of bringing along the whole 1000 man alliance has blown that figure out of the water to the servers and ultimately players woe.. So will 1000 ship lag free battles ever happen as a design feature of Eve? Probably.. Maybe with the new DX9 client but don't hold your breath.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:28:00 - [10] Don't expect this to get fixed until CCP can rewrite a considerable amount of their entire client/server application. It is a huge job, and won't happen too quickly.
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Eskalin (CCP) you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? Please point me to the post/article/advertisement that says "1000 ship battles"? All I've ever seen was "Huge fleet battles".. It seems all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this is that afaik the Devs always considered 100 on 100 a huge fight whilst the metagaming vent/ts phenominon of bringing along the whole 1000 man alliance has blown that figure out of the water to the servers and ultimately players woe.. So will 1000 ship lag free battles ever happen as a design feature of Eve? Probably.. Maybe with the new DX9 client but don't hold your breath.. look on the back of the retail box If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:36:00 - [12] Dear god, me agreeing with a bob guy..... Yeah. Somethings fishy with Desync. This isnt the usual lag problem. I half think lags about normal. Something buggy is up with losing sync where stuff just happens out of sequence and whatnot especially in big fights. Whatevers changed there, its probably un-changeable. ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:38:00 - [13] Prolly wouldn't expect much to happen until the new client launches that upgrades the gfx and provides dx10 support. At least i hope they do something major then. I believe the issue is largely associated with how the servers handle load, or rather the lack of it, (AFIAK they adjust weekly based on averages, not real time).
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:40:00 - [14] Originally by: fnar g Agreed. [Very true however the effort being put into things such as walking in stations could be instead put into doing those performance improvements. Sound like alot of you don't know how Software Development works. The Team working on "Walking in stations" is most likely NOT the same people responsible for Server infractructure etc. When it comes to programming, adding 50 more people to the job does not make the job go 50 times faster. That said the Lag issues have been with Eve for awhile, and can't be solved without a MAJOR code rewrite that is probably impractical at this time. In my experience lag has gotten better in some places...but then I don't go to Jita much. Probably the only other thing that could help Eve and Lag is........Sharding and instancing. and the lack of that my friends is one of the very things that makes diffrent fromm every other game. One big world wehre everybody can kill anybody.....Err know and "interact" I mean. Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:42:00 - [15] ... yeah, like graphic designers know anything about server issues... --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:43:00 - [16] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 27/06/2007 16:42:40 Originally by: Eskalin Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 16:34:02 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Eskalin (CCP) you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? Please point me to the post/article/advertisement that says "1000 ship battles"? All I've ever seen was "Huge fleet battles".. It seems all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this is that afaik the Devs always considered 100 on 100 a huge fight whilst the metagaming vent/ts phenominon of bringing along the whole 1000 man alliance has blown that figure out of the water to the servers and ultimately players woe.. So will 1000 ship lag free battles ever happen as a design feature of Eve? Probably.. Maybe with the new DX9 client but don't hold your breath.. it's been promised i cba to look for it if someone else wants to find it for him.... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0704/Eve_bo018.jpg And? Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Cheunger BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Cheunger on 27/06/2007 16:44:35 They won't lock the thread. You're in BoB :P Sorry, couldn't resist. lol
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:49:00 - [18] Edited by: Fink Angel on 27/06/2007 16:48:26 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Eskalin (CCP) you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? Please point me to the post/article/advertisement that says "1000 ship battles"? All I've ever seen was "Huge fleet battles".. It seems all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this is that afaik the Devs always considered 100 on 100 a huge fight whilst the metagaming vent/ts phenominon of bringing along the whole 1000 man alliance has blown that figure out of the water to the servers and ultimately players woe.. So will 1000 ship lag free battles ever happen as a design feature of Eve? Probably.. Maybe with the new DX9 client but don't hold your breath.. How about this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/81000/nb/81851_16x9_nb.asx That's my primary beef with CCP, that their publicty machine still rolls along claiming that huge fleet battles are fine and dandy. No problems, nothing to see here. Edit: linkage.
Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:53:00 - [19] This is a harp I'm going to be playing. CCP has created a nice concept with Eve. Problem is that game play is getting worse. It goes through cycles where it gets better but it continues to obtain new lows in the ability to play. I complain in hopes that it will get better since I'm investing money into something that might getter better. IMHO, the server should be able to handle the loads in Jita. If they have created a product that should handle fleet battles of 100's of players ( please, stop laughing ), they should be able to handle the load in Jita. Reality, they are not. Eye candy is nice but if players are waiting 15 minutes to log on, 40 seconds to reload a 10 second ammo load, etc, CCP is wasting the payers ( I spelled it correctly ) time. Best thing would be to support a 1 month boycott to get CCP to have time to reroute routers, get new hardware, hell, get new programmers if needed. But if they can't get if consistent, then we're the fools for following the fools.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:59:00 - [20] http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0704/Eve_bo018.jpg "Conspire with thousands of others to bring the galaxy to its knees or go it alone and share the glory with no one" Does not equal 1000 Ship Battles. However it does accuratly describe whats going on right now with the "Great War" BTW I'm not Disagreeing with you all about wanting 1000 ship lag free Battles, I just think that CCP is a victim of their own success and the technology to integrate it with the Current environment as it exists isn't there (in a practical sense). Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Threv Echandari Does not equal 1000 Ship Battles. However it does accuratly describe whats going on right now with the "Great War" Half way through the link, if you're bored by the beginning! Not sure who that guy is, but he's clearly a representative of CCP, and clearly telling porky pies!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Fink Angel Edited by: Fink Angel on 27/06/2007 16:48:26 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Eskalin (CCP) you have promised 1000 ship fleet battles for years but where is it? will it ever happen? Please point me to the post/article/advertisement that says "1000 ship battles"? All I've ever seen was "Huge fleet battles".. It seems all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this is that afaik the Devs always considered 100 on 100 a huge fight whilst the metagaming vent/ts phenominon of bringing along the whole 1000 man alliance has blown that figure out of the water to the servers and ultimately players woe.. So will 1000 ship lag free battles ever happen as a design feature of Eve? Probably.. Maybe with the new DX9 client but don't hold your breath.. How about this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/81000/nb/81851_16x9_nb.asx That's my primary beef with CCP, that their publicty machine still rolls along claiming that huge fleet battles are fine and dandy. No problems, nothing to see here. Edit: linkage. Quote: "Yestarday we had a 1000 ship fleet battle" Thats all he mentioned and quickly passed on to another topic.. This has been done to death guys.. Noone ever thought that players would feild fleets that huge.. It was a complete suprise when it started happeneing and so far I think CCP has been going balls to the walls to make it happen as a fully intended design function not a borderline exploit used by huge alliances to metagame thier way to the top..(you know who you are and what you do.. ) And to all the posters quiping off little one shots about how its easily done.. Well.. lol.. End result is that CCP sees that they can't control how big a fleet can be used through ingame means without breaking the sandbox nature of the game and the alliance now need to have huge fleets to defend/take over teritory.. So CCP is buying hardware and hiring new coders like crazy to keep up with the players.. And what do we get? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say blame the Goons for bringing the whole blob thing to common use.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Quote: "Yestarday we had a 1000 ship fleet battle" Thats all he mentioned and quickly passed on to another topic.. So making a false claim is OK as long as you don't dwell on it too long?
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 17:12:45 this is not i repeat not an open invitation to complain in an unconstructive fasion so plz take them elseware i cant spell 4tl If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
Indigo Johnson Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:16:00 - [25] An answer from CCP would be nice, don't bring moderation or alliance name into it. Who doesn't want 250 v 250 lag free battles? Ofc, if 1000 v 1000 lag free battles were ever possible my God - awesome wouldn't even describe it.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Quote: "Yestarday we had a 1000 ship fleet battle" Thats all he mentioned and quickly passed on to another topic.. So making a false claim is OK as long as you don't dwell on it too long? How was it a false staement? I'm fairly sure it happend.. It would have been false to then go on about how awesome said battle was and how lag free it was.. Actually that he even brought it up at all hints that they might be getting a handle on the whole blob phenominom and feels that a quick little bit of info would be alright.. You have to admit that lag as a whole has droppend dramaticaly for nearly every section of eve except the really huge fleet fights and certain market hubs.. I know for one that I rarely ever experiance lag at any point in the game anymore.. Sometimes I get a spike now and then but overall its smooth as butter.. With three clints at once even in a mission! But thats not what the OP is complaining about.. Its the uber blob fleet warfare lagging out thier offensive.. And it will eventually get fixed.. Eventually.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Black Jumper Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:20:00 - [27] Dear Game dev, can we have a briefing on lag / desync problms and way to resolve them as said in thos original post ? Thank you. BJ
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Threv Echandari Sound like alot of you don't know how Software Development works. The Team working on "Walking in stations" is most likely NOT the same people responsible for Server infractructure etc. The money paying their salary is the same money that could be used to hire more people to work on the lag. RISE Recruitment Thread
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 27/06/2007 17:21:46 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Quote: "Yestarday we had a 1000 ship fleet battle" Thats all he mentioned and quickly passed on to another topic.. So making a false claim is OK as long as you don't dwell on it too long? How was it a false staement? I'm fairly sure it happend.. It would have been false to then go on about how awesome said battle was and how lag free it was.. You're fairly sure it happened? I'm fairly sure the server crashed 7 times in the build up to this battle, and the quoted 1000 players never made it into the same system. There was never over 400(maybe 500? will check) players in the system. I didnt even mention fighting, because no such thing happened. EVE-O Forums Rules summary: If the thought of doing something makes me giggle for more then 15 seconds, I am to assume I'm not allowed to do it.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.27 17:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus How was it a false staement? I'm fairly sure it happend.. It would have been false to then go on about how awesome said battle was and how lag free it was.. Maybe "1000 people wanted to have a fleet battle" would be closer to reality. As the server can't handle 300 Vs 100 which is way off 500 Vs 500, it doesn't seem possible. If it ever was possible, then they need to start unpicking code changes since then. Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Actually that he even brought it up at all hints that they might be getting a handle on the whole blob phenominom and feels that a quick little bit of info would be alright.. You have to admit that lag as a whole has droppend dramaticaly for nearly every section of eve except the really huge fleet fights and certain market hubs.. I know for one that I rarely ever experiance lag at any point in the game anymore.. Sometimes I get a spike now and then but overall its smooth as butter.. With three clints at once even in a mission! But thats not what the OP is complaining about.. Its the uber blob fleet warfare lagging out thier offensive.. And it will eventually get fixed.. Eventually.. I agree about lag in general, and agree it's not really what the OP is complaining about. I've said my piece and am concerned about derailing the thread, so I'll stop this line of conversation now.

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