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Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:35:00 - [31] Habbo Hotel never heard of it
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:40:00 - [32] I think the fact that EVETV exists and WoWTV doesn't pretty much tells you everything you need to know. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Plasmatique Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:48:00 - [33] The articles author compared eve to all mmorpgs with 120,000+ subscribers or more, not all mmorpgs. Journalism at its best
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:56:00 - [34] I left them a comment: Quote: Juxtaposing "World Of Warcraft" against "EVE Online" is like comparing the mental abilities of Homer Simpson against those of Ezra Pound. Average WOW player is used to instant gratification game, where his or her actions have absolutely zero consequence in the grand scheme of things. As opposed to EVE, where the actions of a player can, and do have profound effects on the community. Also, imagine the grand WOW servers, with what, 5-6, fine, lets be generous, 9 thousand players? And one, single, unbroken, seamless, universe of EVE, where you can find about 15 to 25 thousand players - AT ANY GIVEN TIME 23/7. And, to top it all off, players in EVE can interact with other 100,000 users by means of single market and compete for resources against them as well. If you really want to know things about EVE, try playing for more than 7 days. As a mater of fact, no one will grasp the true vastness and amazing depth of this game unless they spent a good few months playing. Nothing is safe in EVE, nothing is sacred, it is a brutal environment where you have to be constantly on alert. Technically you do not even have to PVP, you can fight other players by becoming a super industrialist or trader - then PVP "market" style. Lets see, open ended universe, compete against and with other players, complex political system, complex - player driven - market system, no 'end-game', a team of developers (who despite what some people say) truly care about the game and it's community, yep, I agree, EVE is definitely not WOW - I must say, thank GOD for small favors. Q: Is EVE Online an enjoyable experience for someone with an attention span of a Marmoset Monkey? A: Nope, it is not. Q: Is EVE Online an enjoyable experience for someone who is patient, pays attention to detail, is mature, and is capable to suffer significant losses and persevere against them? A: Yes, definitely, EVE requires time. It is extremely immersive, and will most likely become a good hobby, if you can handle it. I quit EVE three times, always had to take a break for one reason or another, and I always came back. It is still the best bloody MMORPG out there - at least until someone comes up with a better and more immersive and comprehensive world. When that happens, I will go there, but I would not hold my breath on this happening anytime soon.
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 20:57:00 - [35] be thankful that guy writes on compuer games. If he wrote about politics, he might cause wars! (Yes, I know, any editor with have a brain would not publish anything like that...) Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I thought there would be american isk farmers over on eve china to be honest
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Naran Darkmood be thankful that guy writes on compuer games. If he wrote about politics, he might cause wars! (Yes, I know, any editor with have a brain would not publish anything like that...) well yeah, but at least then he'd probebly get assassinated and we'd never have to listen to him again. ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benifit
Saint Lazarus C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:05:00 - [37] Quote: Sounds kinda reta_rded to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. Any article that uses the word reta_rded kinda losses credibility ------------------------------
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:08:00 - [38] eVe is not that unpopular. There are 200k active accounts. An unpopular MMO is a dead MMO. eVe is still active. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Runix Nightwalker	Posted - 2007.06.27 21:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Veng3ance I think the best part is he thinks WOW could have a news network. What would you report on? Nothing is player driven. "XXX Guild completes instance 10,000 times!" " . . . and in our headline story, Chucknorrislol and four Guild-mates from 'Phear' completed Kharazan for the forty-seventh time; the instance run took over an hour longer than expected, and an argument broke out when the Warrior rolled 'Need' on a set of Leather Bracers. When asked for comment, a member of rival Guild 'SHARKSWIHTLAZERSPEWPEWPEW' said 'lol we wer done with kara monhts ago newbs'; Guild 'Phear' had no comment." " . . . and now to war between the Alliance and the Horde. The Alliance is still in control of Astranaar, while the Horde has retained control of Splintertree Post; the Alliance still has control of Southshore, and the Horde . . . still has control of Tarren Mill." But given the World of Warcraft crowd, I actually think that there would be people who would watch such a thing.
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:01:00 - [40] If the journalist in question can't handle Eve he should go back to WoW... Wait what!!

Dragonrazor Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.27 23:38:00 - [41] To be brutally honest, EVE is just not a game we can expect a lot of people to like and play. CCP has said it oodles of times in the past, and I hope they still chant it as their mantra when the devs work on it and the producers produce it and the big wigs wig out over it. This ideal was/is: EVE is a niche game, it's longevity and success relies on exploiting a smaller but altogether untapped niche. We the average EVE lover, love EVE because it's the best thing going that does what it does. In my opinion, I think it's like comparing apples to oranges when you compare the success of WOW to EVE. Of COURSE one game will have more or less subscribers because plainly, the games deal with not only two completely different game styles, but universe concepts. Now comparing games like DDO, LOTRO and WOW makes sense... Compairing EVE and Earth and Beyawnd made sense in the past... Even compairing EVE to SWG, and SWG to WOW makes sense in some ways. But WOW and EVE have nothing in common except both are called MMO's. I think CCP IS a success, on a par with blizzard because of it's success at monopolizing and catering to a niche in the market that has no competition and despite this still puts out a game that IMHO outshines those that DO have competition. EVE is a game the gaming world NEEDS. WOW isn't a game the world needs, as there will always be an EQ, or LOTRO, or DDO. TBH my only hope for the fantasy setting MMO is in the Conan MMO due out sooner or later. I may take time off to play that one if it delivers. But I'm not expecting much. Lastly, EVE DOES appeal mostly to people in their late 20's and over. People with more refined and more mature tastes and interests. People in my age group (30 somethings) have more interest in MMO's that can be real escapes, places we can lead alternate lives. TBh, I also consider EVE to be the CLOSEST thing to true virtual reality that we have... All it's missing is a pair of VR gloves and VR goggles and a pod filled with goo that makes us feel weightless. And that could be made if you had the bucks to burn on such a custom crafted peripheral. What other game actually has real consequences? Real world effecting goals and events? What other game allows a person to metagame their way to power and wealth as well as someone who grinds missions? Not many... EVE is a success... End of story. ******************************************* "Stars Die... Empires fall... We are dust..." *******************************************
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.27 23:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 27/06/2007 19:51:28 1. World of Warcraft, released 2004 - 8.5 million subscribers. 2. Habbo Hotel, released 2000 - 7.5 million active users. 3. RuneScape, released 2001 - 5 million active users. 4. Club Penguin, released 2006 - 4 million active users. 5. Webkinz, released 2005 - 3.8 million active users. 6. Gaia Online, released 2003 - 2 million active users. 7. Guild Wars, released 2005 - 2 million active users. 8. Puzzle Pirates, released 2003 - 1.5 million active users. 9. Lineage I/II, released 1998 - 1 million subscribers. 10. Second Life, released 2003 - 500,000 active users. Notice this list includes Habo Hotel... God I wish Eve could be as good as Habo Hotel!!!!! This list is also most likely NA based numbers also... If you were to include world numbers.. I guarentee you.. Lineage 1 and 2 would bypass everythign else on this chart. The koreans are even more fanatical about their MMO's then we are.. Lineage in Korea alone has more subscribers then the top 3 on this list combined ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Easy Tiger Caldari Virtual Machines Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:09:00 - [43] Quote: Sounds kinda ret-arded to anyone not involved in EVE If this is where you get your gaming news from OP, then just...
Santa Anna	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Quote: Sounds kinda reta_rded to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. Any article that uses the word reta_rded kinda losses credibility At least "reta_rded" is a word. "Kinda" on the other hand, is not.
emepror Gallente Flying Spaghetti Monsterz FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:55:00 - [45] MORE RANTS, RANT RANT RANT ON THAT WEBPAGE RANT!!!!!
Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi The Makhai	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:55:00 - [46] Sounds like whoever wrote the article had a bad experience in eve Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Dark Kavar Sounds like whoever wrote the article had a bad experience in eve Well if i found a guy like him i would pass on I would try to give him a "bad experience" ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benifit
Cardice Makar Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Caios Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio God I wish Eve could be as good as Habo Hotel!!!!! Hey, at least our pool's open. Why does it not surprise me at all that someone would say that... And in other news: Quote: according to mmogchart.com Wait... what? Why have I never heard of mmogchart.com? Oh... yeah, the site looks like it's right out of the Ultima-Online Era... [the original]
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:10:00 - [49] Talk about clueless. No one would make WoW TV because it is all the same stuff over and over again. WoW is just a traditional video game which happens to be online. Here's a vastly superior article about why WoW's numbers don't mean squat in the world of MMO's: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/103/13 ----------------------------------------------------
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:15:00 - [50] To be honest, anyone that refers to something in a professional review as being '******' loses all credibility and all of my respect when writing. I stopped reading in detail after he said 'what the fudge' and stopped reading completely after using the term '******'. If WoW was on one server with thousands or people in one place at one time, it would be as good as EVE. Until then, EVE has one up on all of it's competitors! Latest Video, Click Here!

R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:23:00 - [51] Eve is the Mensa of online gaming. Not all will qualify for membership _________________________________________________________ [b]DKOD - an awesome synchronised
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:49:00 - [52] Edited by: Erik Amirault on 28/06/2007 01:50:20 I think you guys are confusing your classifications of gamers. You say that Eve appeals to "an older and mature crowd" but from this thread it seems like it attracts "pompous, elitist nerds." Sorry to burst your nerd bubble but Eve is pretty much identical to every other MMORPG at its core: Massive grinds - check; fanboys and haters - check; redundant quests/missions - check; logistics nightmares; and very very few actual roleplayers - check. Play the game you like but this pathetic circle jerk of "your game sucks and my game is better" makes you look pretty sad. If you are going to get butthurt everytime someone calls 'Shadowbane in Space' less popular than traditional Middle Earth fantasy games then you should probably revoke your own posting privileges. I enjoy playing Eve and I hope it grows but let's not pretend we're better than everyone else because we play spaceship games instead of trolls and night elves.
Lasakywa Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:03:00 - [53] Just another wow fan boy
Girin	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:42:00 - [54] I prefer this article, personally: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=77768
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Cardice Makar Quote: according to mmogchart.com Wait... what? Why have I never heard of mmogchart.com? Oh... yeah, the site looks like it's right out of the Ultima-Online Era... [the original] You've never heard of it? Its become basically the standard site for MMO player population comparisons, though it doesn't seem to have been updated that often lately. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:58:00 - [56] I prefer MMORPG.com, which actually rates MMO's by several statistics, not just subscription base. EVE, there, is tied for #3 MMO with 10 other games. WOW is tied for #13, that's right, THIRTEEN, with 12 other games.
Slasher Arcana	Posted - 2007.06.28 03:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 27/06/2007 19:51:28 1. World of Warcraft, released 2004 - 8.5 million subscribers. 2. Habbo Hotel, released 2000 - 7.5 million active users. 3. RuneScape, released 2001 - 5 million active users. 4. Club Penguin, released 2006 - 4 million active users. 5. Webkinz, released 2005 - 3.8 million active users. 6. Gaia Online, released 2003 - 2 million active users. 7. Guild Wars, released 2005 - 2 million active users. 8. Puzzle Pirates, released 2003 - 1.5 million active users. 9. Lineage I/II, released 1998 - 1 million subscribers. 10. Second Life, released 2003 - 500,000 active users. Notice this list includes Habo Hotel... God I wish Eve could be as good as Habo Hotel!!!!! This list is also most likely NA based numbers also... If you were to include world numbers.. I guarentee you.. Lineage 1 and 2 would bypass everythign else on this chart. The koreans are even more fanatical about their MMO's then we are.. Lineage in Korea alone has more subscribers then the top 3 on this list combined Indeed. 1 in 5 Koreans play Lineage. That's about 10-15 million. Also, Runescape is Korean, GW has its own Korean server and player base. In fact the Koreans routinely win GW tourneys. The list is also missing MapleStory, a MMO with a big player base as well (but nauseatingly kiddie). All in all western-led media tend to be narrow-visioned, believing alot of stupid things, like WoW being the biggest MMO on Earth, Americans the most pro (I count the Nordics and Koreans as the world's best) and rabid (only Koreans would fill an Olympic-sized stadium to witness a game launch), Iraq had WMDs, etc. I trialed WoW and EVE. I stopped playing WoW after 10 days. I trialed EVE for 2 days and switched to paid. I'm now 3 weeks into EVE and loving it.
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 03:14:00 - [58] Originally by: Naran Darkmood be thankful that guy writes on compuer games. If he wrote about politics, he might cause wars! (Yes, I know, any editor with have a brain would not publish anything like that...) Oh he did start a war! My Raven is inbound to Ironforge as we speak. Lets see how long before I turn the fortress in the mountain into a hole in the ground!
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.06.28 03:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Known as the "EVE Interstellar Bank Scam," a single player scammed others into investing in ISK until he had over 700 billion ISK. Sounds kinda ******** to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. ya know... i read that particular part of his little tirade and the hypocrisy really reinforced to me why eve is better than wow. wow fanboys are almost entirely like the person who wrote this. i just wonder how many times the author got involved in forum flame wars because someone ninja'd a raid drop? at least the bank scam was a major event that affected thousands of players in a meaningful way... the sort of thing that wow players consider a big deal affects no more than 40 players, and thats only until they run the raid again and the item drops again... which is highly unlikely to take days, weeks or even months, like the losses that some players suffered in the bank scams. again... biased hypocrisy ftl.
Lastdon	Posted - 2007.06.28 03:36:00 - [60] I think why this is such a big discussion across all PC gaming is because we're always looking for the next unique game. I'm sure that havening that many subscribers does mean something...Like the reflection of the next game that company will develop. I mean think about it, WoW grosses in around 1 Billion a year. So that gives them a great advantage over CCP. The next gen of games will be Multi threading and if a majority of your gross income is going to maintaing your game then you have very little doe for future concepts. Such as EvE 2. Wich really should be geared towards a ace combat style of combat. Here is a great link on MMO/RPG http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/06/19/how_to_revolutionize_the_mmorpg/ Woot only 6 more months to go till I can fly a carrier



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