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Palander FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.28 04:02:00 - [61] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 27/06/2007 19:51:28 1. World of Warcraft, released 2004 - 8.5 million subscribers. 2. Habbo Hotel, released 2000 - 7.5 million active users. 3. RuneScape, released 2001 - 5 million active users. 4. Club Penguin, released 2006 - 4 million active users. 5. Webkinz, released 2005 - 3.8 million active users. 6. Gaia Online, released 2003 - 2 million active users. 7. Guild Wars, released 2005 - 2 million active users. 8. Puzzle Pirates, released 2003 - 1.5 million active users. 9. Lineage I/II, released 1998 - 1 million subscribers. 10. Second Life, released 2003 - 500,000 active users. Notice this list includes Habo Hotel... God I wish Eve could be as good as Habo Hotel!!!!! Habbo 4tw
Natassja Johannessen Gallente The Nationalist Fringe	Posted - 2007.06.28 05:27:00 - [62] Keep in mind Blizzard Entertainment have been around since the Amiga days back around the early 90's with many top selling titles throughout the years. Blizzard products have always been top quality, nicely done and presented very well. You cannot compare CCP, a very young company(Founded 1997 with only EVE under their belt) to Blizzard Entertainment. Seriously, this whole bashing WOW thing grows tiresome and i am sure half of the "mature" EVE players have played Blizzard games back in the day anyway even if they don't like WOW. All the WOW bashing is just human nature i know, similar to how everyone feels the need to constantly bash BOB in EVE because they have become a very large and successful Alliance...yet, like Blizzard ppl forget how long BOB have actually been at this to get where they are. Now, you are going to flame me for being a WOW fan but know this...I have loads of respect for CCP and what they have achieved with EVE and I am sure it's alot more than they had originally planned themselves. The community has built this game into what it is with the developers...that's the unique thing with EVE and what seperates it from most other MMO's...players have actually help mold this game. EVE still has alot of potential for growth where WOW is what it is and it will eventally fade out...EVE is where i will continue to play for a long time yet and i look forward to the growth of this game. PS - That review is trash and you can never go on some game reviewers opinion lol, impossible for them to be completely unbiased. Only way to truely form your "own" opinion on a game is to play it yourself.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Ordo Pondera	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:14:00 - [63] Sure, many of us played Blizzard games- I still do. However, there is a difference between RTS and a dynamic world and open gaming. Fact is, many of the hard core Eve players don't want to have anything to do with the mainstream, at least in the context of Eve. This is our little salon, where we can sniff disdainfully at the masses outside, secure in the knowledge that not only do we know that Eve is better, but that the ordinary person probably can't even see why we would say that. Our interests lie in other directions than the mainstream. And of course the mainstream wants in, and we can't keep 'em out, and the mainstream decides to try to repaint the crushed velvet wall coverings with a neutral beige and replace the antique Baroque chairs with loungers from the second hand store to give it that comfy "lived in" feel. It isn't that Eve players don't appreciate WoW for what it is-- but many of us deny that it can even be compared to Eve. If one "prefers" WoW then they are not the target audience for Eve-- and hence should not be judging it. Unfortunately, that is exactly what happens. So yeah, our mature crowd tends to be quite elitist. I'm not sure there is any reason that this is a bad thing. It keeps those who don't like the game moving on, as should happen.
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:24:00 - [64] off topic but mmogcharts haven't been updated for a year now
pwnedgato kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:15:00 - [65] Edited by: pwnedgato on 28/06/2007 07:17:45 Whenever I hear how much wow players whine about ninja looting I always get this urge to go play wow get to lvl 70 and then proceed to ninja loot everything in some uber instance and then trash all the items, but I'd commit suicide from all that grinding to reach that lvl not to mention reading local ------- Proud to have never spent more than 1 hour earning isk during any 1 day
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:19:00 - [66] Well since a 5 year old kid can play wow of course they are going to have more people play. :P Nevermind they had a massive base in place to jump to that game since they had the whole world of games out that were popular.
Gojyu Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:30:00 - [67] Edited by: Gojyu on 28/06/2007 07:29:30 Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Talk about clueless. No one would make WoW TV because it is all the same stuff over and over again. WoW is just a traditional video game which happens to be online. Here's a vastly superior article about why WoW's numbers don't mean squat in the world of MMO's: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/103/13 \ I find it telling that whilst everyone is up in arms about the bias presented in the original article, this one gets not a comment. The eve community doesn't want media coverage to be presented in a level, objective manner, it simply want it presented in any way that makes eve seem more important
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:44:00 - [68] Edited by: Ricdic on 28/06/2007 07:43:25 Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio 2. Habbo Hotel, released 2000 - 7.5 million active users. Thanks a lot. I was intrigued as I had never heard of this before, so I went to the site. I swear I now want to gouge my own eyeballs with a spoon, if not for the pain it would cause knowing there is not yet a braille version of Eve Online. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Khorian Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:53:00 - [69] Divide 8 mill by the number of WoW servers. And WTF would a WoW show be about? Guild X beat Mob Y as a Serverfirst! when the Mob died, nothing changed in the World of Warcraft, except that it will now die a million more times. And there was a Battle in on of those Battlegrounds. It took 2 hours and everyone in it died about 20 times. When it was done, nothing had changed in the World of Warcraft!
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos	Posted - 2007.06.28 08:37:00 - [70] Originally by: Lady Natacha Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Its not CCP's fault every 12-15 year old with grandmas's creditcard likes magic and horseriding over the emotional torment that is EvE online. If those kids played EvE Online, there would be a huge jump in suicides and emotional trauma in children. Let the children play WoW......the men (and internet chicks who are really guys) can play EvE. yeah, letting the kids play Wow is helping... Linkage I just spat coffee on my computer, now i want to try WoW. .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.

Decimo Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.06.28 08:41:00 - [71] Originally by: Caios Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio God I wish Eve could be as good as Habo Hotel!!!!! Hey, at least our pool's open. Pool's closed due to lag, unfortunately.
Morghana Seputila	Posted - 2007.06.28 08:56:00 - [72] Edited by: Morghana Seputila on 28/06/2007 08:59:12 Edited by: Morghana Seputila on 28/06/2007 08:58:33 least popular = if A have 2 friends in school, and B have 20003233 friends in school, then B is most popular. ;) Though that doesnt say anything bout what fun either of the 2 have, what skills, passions, etc etc. Dont go in defense course some journalist states tha fact that more people play another game than EVE - if you like EVE dont bother what he says, and spend time playing instead :) Its a shame with all these post that looks like youre defending, and bashing other games. Instead of enjoy this one. Tbh it looks like theres envy, to a new guy coming to this forum, a post like this makes you think twice bout starting the game.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.28 23:07:00 - [73] the argument I always bring up against WoW is that it doesn't matter if that game has 1 billion or 5000 subscribers since you'll only be able to play with 5000 of them on a server. If you want 5000 others you'll just need to create a new character. Even worse: Of those 5000 you can only talk to half of them because of the childish "no communication between horde and alliance" thing. 2500 players of which probebly only 1 out of 4 is online at one time: 500 players? Heck you call that massive multiplayer online? Thats more of a glorified 64 player battlefield 2 server.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 23:43:00 - [74] I shudder to think what would happen if eve became popular. Can you imagine Jita with 3000 people in local? How about a fleet battle with 10k people? The lag/nodedeath would make baby jesus cry. -Wylker
UPA Terf DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.06.28 23:58:00 - [75] Hmm but then in another article (the link just below the bottom of the paragraph) he calls left behind a great game..this person seems very mainstream and fundamentalist...i doubt he would go against whoever the "bigger boy" is at the time... ------------------------------ *~~Scorn~~*
Qaeded	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:46:00 - [76] He's not slamming EVE, he's just saying it hasn't pulled in the audience yet. In another article about gaming addiction, he says this: Quote: Taking for example one of the best games over the last 90 years, Left Behind: Eternal Forces (it was either that or EVE Online) we will establish that an addictive video game is not only not possible, but impossible as well. Point #1: You often hear the question asked, "What Would Jesus Do?" And the answer always comes back: "Kill ***** Bin Laden then make the best video game ever." Fortunately, Left Behind gives us a pretty good idea as to what kind of game the Lord will eventually make. Furthermore, because Jesus would have made it, that makes Left Behind the greatest game ever (again, not counting EVE Online, because no one can really grasp the true vastness and amazing depth of EVE).
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Santa Anna Originally by: Saint Lazarus Quote: Sounds kinda reta_rded to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. Any article that uses the word reta_rded kinda losses credibility At least "reta_rded" is a word. "Kinda" on the other hand, is not. yea but your point is irrelevant to his post anyway.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:21:00 - [78] Point-by-point rebuttal posting spree ! " Jalipo, an Internet TV network offering stations such as the BBC and the beheading-friendly Al Jazeera, has begun offering the first news broadcast covering only the single MMORPG world of EVE Online. With what appears to be a production budget less than "Saul of the Mole Men," the show promises to "focus on player-led news and events, as well as providing access to behind-the-scenes information on the game." The network gets its money directly from viewers as opposed to advertisers, so there's no commercials but you will need a credit card. " Basically, just a bash on the distributors of EVE-TV. While we do have reasons enough to critique EVE-TV's new distribution model, that paragraph there shows beforehand what the writer's position towards the distributer is, and hence, his bias. " And just to give you an idea of how deep the game can go, one of the biggest scandals in the world of EVE involved a player walking away with billions of Interstellar Kredits (EVE's in-game currency). Known as the "EVE Interstellar Bank Scam," a single player scammed others into investing in ISK until he had over 700 billion ISK. Sounds kinda ******** to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. " Basically, it's some guy who didn't even BOTHER playing EVE-Online, or if he played it, sounds like he didn't get past his free trial. Also, he appears to get his "sources" from other major gaming sites, not from first-hand experience. " But the most interesting thing about the show has to be that, according to mmogchart.com, EVE Online is actually one of the least popular MMORPGs around with CCP, EVE's developer/publisher, estimating over 170,000 active members. While that number appears to be growing steadily, compare it to the massively multiplayer monolith that is World of Warcraft. With a community of about 8 million players, it makes one wonder, just how far off is a 24-hour World of Warcraft news channel? ("Next up: Orcs destroy a village of warlocks; we speak with one elf who managed to escape.") " The next point showing complete ignorance of what makes EVE, well... EVE. He seems to fail to grasp the huge impact a "no shards" world has, like his final statement is obviously showing. No, really, this article is so... not even in the same region as "newsworthy", and should be just thrown in the recycle bin. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Saint Lazarus C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:49:00 - [79] Originally by: Santa Anna Originally by: Saint Lazarus Quote: Sounds kinda reta_rded to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. Any article that uses the word reta_rded kinda losses credibility At least "reta_rded" is a word. "Kinda" on the other hand, is not. Yes it is, and that was kinda a worthless remark anyway =/ If you didnt wanna contribute why post? ------------------------------
Kharadran Sullath Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:53:00 - [80] I would take the community surrounding EVE Online over any other mmog's. The game is too complicated (ergo, not made to be anything like WoW) to attract as many fools as WoW has, and it receives its amount and types of players accordingly. In any case, comparing any mmog to WoW will yield similar results, no other game has 8 million players. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--

Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:21:00 - [81] My guide is intended to help the poor souls leaving WoW, looking for a brighter day, in their first days in Eve. I'm so over WoW. EVE FTW! - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Durn Loze	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:20:00 - [82] Edited by: Durn Loze on 29/06/2007 04:20:03 Based upon that article, the author would probably also state that Spam is better than Kobi beef because more people eat Spam. All the writer showed was a lack of knowledge of either MMO and what makes them different experiences. Durn
Drofier Ilmatti Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:37:00 - [83] Well, I am not too much of a forum warrior but I am going to leave a nasty rant on this article of theirs...
Hopestealer	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:59:00 - [84] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Quick! To the Flamemobile! We cannot let such heresy stand! Hahahahaha thats he funniest thing I've heard all day. Having just arrived today from the terrible forums and game that is Vanguard and how it got mashed by the forum love/hate wars, this article is not even worth commenting on. My consipracy theory of the day is that Wow sends out its minions to plant the seeds of discontent in a game's forums and then watches it erode (im kidding ... I think). First day review of this game: Im exhausted and happy. Keep up the good work people.
Byronius Caldari OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:00:00 - [85] Thread's like these are always amusing to say the least. The original report is like comparing Apples and Oranges. WoW and EVE are two completely different games, playstyles and mindsets. Regardless or not about subscriber base, as one previous poster mentioned, Blizzard has 8+ million active accounts. That is also split between a multitude of servers. EVE has 'X' many accounts, all simutaneous on one specific server. Pro's and Con's about EVE. Con's: If we are going to compare WoW to EVE, WoW offers a very simple style of gameplay. The game was built from the ground up to attract and hold as many subscribers as possible with a easy introduction to the MMO market. For 90% of the WoW playerbase, this is thier first MMO. It runs on most systems, brand new and older models as well. Hence the market accessibility to get to the greatest coverage. EVE has a very in-depth learning curve in comparison to WoW. EVE requires that you actually take the time to think, even if it's just running missions to tweaking your ship, running group missions or fleet combat. WoW doesn't really require that from the starting point. Pro's: Once again (I may sound fairly repeating) but the simplicity of WoW is a very good Pro. However, the world is very linear/non-dynamic and once you reach a certain level, its either 1.) Raid for continual gear upgrades, or 2.) Farm for faction/gold. That's it. EVE: Dynamic world. Interacting politics/combat from different alliances actually make for a non-linear line of action. There is no 'magic planet' in EVE that one fleet of people can kill, then everyone else can farm the same event over and over for a % drop. I know I am probably not applying this as the besst example, but between the actual player interaction, market dynamics, technology and warfare make EVE a totally different beast from WoW. And this comes from someone with 3 lvl 70's in WoW and a character here that was created in March 04. I've simply bounced between the two games for what fits my schedule and playstyle. I find both fun in thier own paradigm. Currently, EVE fits my schedule and playstyle much better then the WoW raiding game.
Byronius Caldari OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:04:00 - [86] Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 29/06/2007 02:54:03 I would take the community surrounding EVE Online over any other mmog's. The game is too complicated (ergo, not made to be anything like WoW) to attract as many fools as WoW has, and it receives its amount and types of players accordingly. In any case, comparing any mmog to WoW will yield similar results, no other game has 8 million players. Edit: The article is worse than you thought, look at the word before re_tarded... No, that is actually a very good point. Because of that factor, and EVE being the unforgiving game it can be, it eliminates many of the 'tweakers' before they even start. The community in EVE (although some may beg to differ) is actually a thousand times better. Don't believe me? Try the WoW general forums some time. Let me know if you return with your sanity.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:17:00 - [87] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Naran Darkmood be thankful that guy writes on compuer games. If he wrote about politics, he might cause wars! (Yes, I know, any editor with have a brain would not publish anything like that...) well yeah, but at least then he'd probebly get assassinated and we'd never have to listen to him again. I...um....well...I do still have infil certed.... ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.06.29 07:59:00 - [88] mmorpg.com rates eve over wow quality >> quantity
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.06.29 08:15:00 - [89] Edited by: Rells on 29/06/2007 08:14:10 The patience, dilligence, hard work and rewards in this game arent suitable for the instant gratification generation. Hence so few young ones playing. And thank god for that. Eve is the best MMOG out there even if CCP has HUA over the corp UI. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
zibelthurdos Archron Dusyfe Industries	Posted - 2007.06.29 08:32:00 - [90] hmm, notice how there are no Pro-WOW comments at the end of that story.



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