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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:47:00 -
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Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Rana Ash
Minmatar
Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:53:00 -
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Yes it's getting to be way to much, i know the GM's are working hard. But please, please end the torment..
Ļon Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details
lyret dedreen
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The Eyeball
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:55:00 -
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Some of that poison rice off Tenchu.....
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:56:00 -
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The amount of spam is getting epic. Some of those little darlings spam entire screenfuls, others just lay on the repeat spam. The minmatar empire channel is doing nothing but discussing how awful it's become due to all the spam.
As Hilabana pointed out, we used to have 300 people in that channel. Now we've got more spammers than regulars.
Please, please do something about this blight. The alliances who rent space to ISK farmers aren't feeling the pain, the spammers aren't swimming in their soup. But everyone not into the blob scene is definitely not having fun.
Client side filters, server-side spamming limitation measures, something. Heck, these guys are getting brazen enough to post on the forums before being banned. Do we need to be wallowing through spam neck deep before something is done?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:58:00 -
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People who post a url in their first 3 messages on any channel should be flagged for attention.
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Dondo Yonderboy
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:58:00 -
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Excellent idea. I agree 100%
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Marcus Ziz
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:02:00 -
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/signed
Although not letting trials into channels beside local, rookie help and trial account is a bit harsh in my opinion, the spamming has gotten way out of hand.
I have this idea of banning trials from the "real" channels by default, but let them in if they are invited by a full paying player. A note would inform everybody in the channel who invited the trial player, and that person has the power to evict the trial again, if he/she misbehaves.
Mind you, this is only an idea, and in no way really thought through. But I'm sure, there are ways to end this spamming madness, without totally gagging the trial accounts.
Just my 2 cents...
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Jonny Warhawk
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:06:00 -
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It's getting pretty ridiculous. It is a good sign that the game is in demand, though. It is very hard to prevent them from making a trial account and spamming so I really have no solution. I'm sure there's one out there.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:31:02
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. Like, you can only have one trial account per unique credit card, kind of like the limit on the number of clients that can be run from trials. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:32:00 -
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I presume this refers to ISK selling ad spammers, as opposed to people actually sending money in all directions in-game?
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Kilana Omni
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
It's a good idea but forcing people to provide credit card details is a likely turn-off for potential customers.
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Fat Domino
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:10:00 -
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if ccp want i can make a function which prevent to display msg with some string ( that u can choose with a little magic windows ), like evegoldforcheap.com. It will run on client side, so doesnt overload the server.
It will take me 10 min ( yeah i suck in programming, maybe a pro can do that in 10 sec ).
This will make a giga patch of 0.05 kbytes
But i understand that ppl who can do thing like a mmo, with trillon of coding line, are not able to make this 10 lines function. But maybe this way is too easy and they are searching for a solution that take 10 pro pgm and 3 month of development.
bad english..i know...and i dont care.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash
Yes
What did I do last summer?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:19:00 -
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I read the word "toon" and stopped reading. 
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 07:57:00 -
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It isn't unrealistic. I've played quite a few MMOs - lets take a peek at the new player experience in Everquest 2.
You start on the "Beginner's Island." The island is secluded from the main game, there are no griefers there. You learn about basic gameplay, quests, and such by yourself. If you know someone, you can have a private chat with them, but the larger world is unavailable to you until you take the boat to the mainland - at which time you can never go back to the newbie island.
Eve could work much the same way. A "real" trial account is either someone who started playing because they know someone in game, and they can communicate freely with their friend(s), or it is someone blindly wandering into the world of Eve to check it out. In either case, these players have no need during their first 14 days of playing Eve to communicate with the world at large in any modicum available.
I can't honestly of any negative ramification of "confining" trial account players to a limited range of galactic communication.
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Bacfe
Minmatar
Medieval Animal Inoculation Department Services
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:29:00 -
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Right-click.
Block.
=D
Nice, quick and easy. Involves relatively (relatively) little effort. And you get the last laugh knowing that those idiots are wasting their time spamming the channel.
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari
Solar Wind
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.29 16:44:00 -
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For once CCP could steal something from WOW.
In wow, whenever anyone says anything, be that whisper, yell, trade channels, raids, guildchat etc.
Anyone can right click on the person speaking and choose from a list:
Invite to group
Ignore
Target
Report!!!
The invite and target are normal tools for making a group or just finding them, the ignore adds the person to a list of players whom you can't see text from.
The Report acts like a petition and it has really helped enourmously on the spamming in WOW.
Spams went from 4-5 whispers, 10+ (depending on your location) yells in trade channels to at most 1-2 in total a day, within the first week.
Summary: implement a right click option for petitioning an individual for isk sales spamming, anyone abusing the system to report non isk sellers will get a warning.
Fixed Yay! have a cookie  - Deckard
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Kuranta
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Posted - 2007.06.29 17:16:00 -
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The "Right Click Petition" sounds good (if not abused/punished f=r abusing). But I guess a lot of GM would have to be at hand to take care of those fast petitions, or there would be no point in it. At least at the beginning. When the sellers know, there's no way to get through, they *might* go look somewhere else to farm/spam/sell.
Still, a filter might be more effective, not letting post isk sellers at all. On the other hand, the filter might not be that accurate.
Preventing them to just some channels will just safe some of us from seeing, but not to remove the problem as far as possible, what should be the objective.
How 'bout flagging any character posting a URL more than twice or three times in I dunno...30 mins?
Who else would or even have to do so? I have been active in help channels, and there is no need to do so.
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ZPG CEO
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Posted - 2007.06.29 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.29 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
Took blizzard almost 3 years to block spammers, since that industry really only recently in the last 4 years have been busy lets not be so hard on CCP shall we.
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Kunelk
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Yeah so every single potential player that use other method of payments than a credit card will not be able to test the game. What a brilliant idea...
Limit where they can talk, like their corp, local,gang and the basic
But the only, ONLY way to stop isk farming, its for people to stop buying isk.
Until that happens, isk advertising and farming will never stop.
So either you find a way to stop all isk buying(like banning all the isk buyers on the spot)
Or we deal with that spamming.
Its everybody in this game that should report all their friend who bought isk.
Its not only CCP's job, but everybody who's concerned about this issue.
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Kiera Lavode
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
Let them be invited, but not invite, also.
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Jennai
Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bacfe
Right-click.
Block.
=D
Nice, quick and easy. Involves relatively (relatively) little effort. And you get the last laugh knowing that those idiots are wasting their time spamming the channel.
why should everyone using public channels have to fill their block lists with hundreds of throwaway spam accounts when they should be blocked on the server side? we all know that P&P doesn't handle extremely large lists well, and this will just make it take ages to load when you want to unblock an actual player.
blueprints channel is getting hit every 10-20 minutes and lately they've started spamming entire screenfuls of this crap.
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Cyberstrike2027
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:15:00 -
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If "isk" and a url link are in the same chat post, then they should be removed from chat, the post should never make it to the channel, they should be gagged in all channels, and a GM informed to either delete/ban them, or ungag them and return them to chat channels and explain they have to be vigilant against isk sellers.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kunelk
Originally by: Caios
Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Yeah so every single potential player that use other method of payments than a credit card will not be able to test the game. What a brilliant idea...
Limit where they can talk, like their corp, local,gang and the basic
But the only, ONLY way to stop isk farming, its for people to stop buying isk.
Until that happens, isk advertising and farming will never stop.
So either you find a way to stop all isk buying(like banning all the isk buyers on the spot)
Or we deal with that spamming.
Its everybody in this game that should report all their friend who bought isk.
Its not only CCP's job, but everybody who's concerned about this issue.
A former corpmate told us he got scammed by such and such crippity crappity and basically lost a vaga, 800 mil from wallet and rampaging on. Turns out he bought a hellish amount of ISK and got nailed for it. CCP took the money from his wallet, he ended up about -800 million in the wallet.
Please start banning people instead of only hammering their wallet.
Yes, Isk buying is everyone's concern. Not too many people are going to tell their corpies that they just bought a billion isk or show off the uber goodies they bought arosing suspicion. But there is the occasional player who does mention it... petition them.
We can't just go off on a witch hunt petitioning anyone scanned to have uber expensive mods or super faction ships pimped to the nines.
61 channels. Trial accounts get 61 channels off the bat when as new players they only really need 3-4 and maybe their language channel to get a feel for the game.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
So am i 12 then?
I don't have a credit card and i'm 22 your logic doesn't follow, if i had to provide credit card details when i started playing then i would never have signed up and i think its great you don't have to provide them at all.
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Antari Shiy
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.30 03:03:00 -
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I still say they should suspend the issue of new trial accounts until the servers are more stable, lets be fair the servers are struggling with the numbers we have now, if they suspended the issue of trial accounts for 6 months it would give them the chance to sort out the servers and stableise things (maybe) before a new influx of players, as it stands now a fair few trial players are gonnabe put off by the lag.
I know if I was a new player my first thought would be "Wow this looks nice and all but if they haven't sorted the lag out by now maybe it's not worth the bother."
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Ohmi Sohaawny
Love You Long Time
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Posted - 2007.06.30 03:33:00 -
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Blizzard is taking useless legal action.
Why would CCP waste money on doing the same?
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.30 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ohmi Sohaawny
Blizzard is taking useless legal action.
Why would CCP waste money on doing the same?
CCP wouldn't have much to stand on. EVE-China allows isk buying/selling, selling/buying in game items for RL cash.
EVE for everyone else doesn't. Limit the channels trials can access and spammage volume diminishes. If the account is bumped to a full account and starts spamming, CCP might have tools to find out who is connected to the spammer. Banning a trial account doesn't cost them anything aside from the few moments to setup another trial account with 3 alts. Ban a full account and there is a bit more lost.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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