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DKE Milio
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:01:00 -
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Just don't let trial users use the word 'isk' and 'sell' and don't let them make urls
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Garviel Lokken
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:07:00 -
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this **** does have to stop, ive got my blocked list almost full with nothing but ISK spammers. every time i pull up my people/places list it freezes up because of the damned blocked list is so huge. let the newbies suffer, who cares about if the new players cant have full acess to the chat channels, they dont even have acess to all the skills.
lay down the iron fist, show them who is the sherrif of these parts. and, screw "unfair". |
Haclya
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:27:00 -
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 Originally by: DKE Milio
Just don't let trial users use the word 'isk' and 'sell' and don't let them make urls
Yes that whoud be a good idea to no sensor isk and ú$ and not let make urls on
trial acounts.
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Kransthow
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.04 08:24:00 -
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Most of these suggestions involve killing off the symptons, while leaving the heart of the problem, Isk farmers, still beating. My suggestion would be that CCP goes "Undercover" and goes to these websites, order some isk like anybody else, and then using their dev powers just bans the account that traded the isk and all the accounts that traded isk to that account and any more isk trading between accounts in the little spiderweb of isk trading.
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Havoc Darkeen
Northern Shadowrunners
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:24:00 -
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Not letting trial users post url:s and certain words is the best idea yet. Simple to implement and should be fairly effective.
This should of course be in addition to hunting down the sellers and buying by investigative work.
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Malaan Tabfassh
Penguin Mining Operations and More
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Posted - 2007.07.04 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Havoc Darkeen
Not letting trial users post url:s and certain words is the best idea yet. Simple to implement and should be fairly effective.
This should of course be in addition to hunting down the sellers and buying by investigative work.
get eve gold from w w w . s p a m . c o m
get i s k from ww w. sp am. com
get eve currency from w ww . spam . com
and so on...
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Havoc Darkeen
Northern Shadowrunners
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 10:57:00 -
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They can easily make the filter smarter than that. Yes, it will still be possible to get a cryptic spam message across, but the target audience probably wouldnŠt understand it.
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Driven
Caldari
Mass Produced
Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:25:00 -
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This is a direct cut and paste out of the blueprint channel from last night - deleting the few actual player postings. I thought perhaps this might be revealing for those in CCP who care about the player experience.
[00:46:46] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:46:56] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:47:39] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:07] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:17] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:29] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:38] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:21] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:49] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:51:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:10] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:20] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:31] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:52] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:44] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:13] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
For those of you counting thats 23 ISK sellers postings in 10 minutes. ISK Seller Spamming in trade channels is COMPLETELY out of control. Is CCP going to do something about this?
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:26:00 -
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CCP could do alot to cut down and make life hard for isk sellers/buyers.
However, such mechanisms require resource (read : cost $$$) and don't forget sweatshops are using full accounts also which means they are paying CCP $$$ (directly via card, or indirectly via gamecards).
Stopping these isk sellers means 2 things - 1) Reduce monthly subscriptions (i.e. banning the accounts) and 2) employing someone to do this - both these things reduce CCP (or any other game companies) revenue & profit margins.
Therefore, its bad business sense to do such, at least until a large portion of your player base becomes annoyed enough that you are forced into action. Until then all you need to do is pay the subject occassional lip service in a forum/news post by simply saying your trying to resolve the issue.
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Kenneys
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:06:00 -
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Hi all.
I'm a pretty competent programmer.. and i just wanted to inform you on generating the trial account.
You can pretty much generate new email addresses by executing a script. Following that, you save all the new emails into a text file, and then run another script that reads from the text file to generate your trial accounts.
Then after that, run a macro program that lets you train/mine/rat/spam with those trial accounts.
Honestly the best solution that i can come up with, is to allocate manpower to comb through bank accounts and play time durations.
Then after that, come up with a shortlist for investigation, and start banning. (Banning an account that has banked over 50 billion isk is crippling to any farming company and would take months to recuperate)
You will always be able to do more damage than the farmers can heal, because in eve it takes a bloody long time to train the skills up.
If anyone is interested, i've heard some really good things coming from final fantasy's economy since the farmer bannings. Things that used to be worth 100 mil, are now down to 1 to 10 mil.
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codex09
Minmatar
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
There are a lot of people that either don't have credit cards or flat refuse to use them online (A very good idea), so what happens to these people? Just to clear up a few things not everyone over the age of 12 has a credit card.
So very basically what I am seeing is lets punish the majority to please a minority.
Look everyone agrees that the spamming of these people is a bit of a pain but there are a lot of other ways of dealing with this problem other than forcing people to provide deatils of credit cards etc..
I think the filter is a good idea and have it so that it just flat removes any message that has ISK or Gold in it. Sort of like how the swearing filters work on other games (I am not sure if this one has them as I play this game to play the game not sit there chatting all day and night)
The other idea about limiting trial players to set channels is another good idea basically because on a trial account you aren't able to tranfer ISK, or Train some of the higher skills etc etc so trial account really don't need to have access to the channels like the BP, Ships, Modules etc etc. Once an account is changed from a trial account to a full paying account all the other channels become available just like the way the skills do..
Also is it possible that some of these spammers are using paying accounts? I ask this because I know that you can't transfer ISK on a trial account so they must have full accounts to do the selling from (I could be wrong)
I think however that a combination of the filter or channel limits and an Ingame LP to ISK exchange would do the trick. The exchange rates could change with the economy and because it is exchanging LP it wouldn't be like players could get heaps and heaps of it without engaging in playing the actual game.. (It is just a thought and even though it may not be a good one it is something)
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