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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:47:00 -
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Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Rana Ash
Minmatar
Aeon Trinity
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:53:00 -
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Yes it's getting to be way to much, i know the GM's are working hard. But please, please end the torment..
Šon Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details
lyret dedreen
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The Eyeball
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:55:00 -
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Some of that poison rice off Tenchu.....
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:56:00 -
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The amount of spam is getting epic. Some of those little darlings spam entire screenfuls, others just lay on the repeat spam. The minmatar empire channel is doing nothing but discussing how awful it's become due to all the spam.
As Hilabana pointed out, we used to have 300 people in that channel. Now we've got more spammers than regulars.
Please, please do something about this blight. The alliances who rent space to ISK farmers aren't feeling the pain, the spammers aren't swimming in their soup. But everyone not into the blob scene is definitely not having fun.
Client side filters, server-side spamming limitation measures, something. Heck, these guys are getting brazen enough to post on the forums before being banned. Do we need to be wallowing through spam neck deep before something is done?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:58:00 -
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People who post a url in their first 3 messages on any channel should be flagged for attention.
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Dondo Yonderboy
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.28 19:58:00 -
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Excellent idea. I agree 100%
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Marcus Ziz
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:02:00 -
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/signed
Although not letting trials into channels beside local, rookie help and trial account is a bit harsh in my opinion, the spamming has gotten way out of hand.
I have this idea of banning trials from the "real" channels by default, but let them in if they are invited by a full paying player. A note would inform everybody in the channel who invited the trial player, and that person has the power to evict the trial again, if he/she misbehaves.
Mind you, this is only an idea, and in no way really thought through. But I'm sure, there are ways to end this spamming madness, without totally gagging the trial accounts.
Just my 2 cents...
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Jonny Warhawk
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:06:00 -
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It's getting pretty ridiculous. It is a good sign that the game is in demand, though. It is very hard to prevent them from making a trial account and spamming so I really have no solution. I'm sure there's one out there.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:31:02
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. Like, you can only have one trial account per unique credit card, kind of like the limit on the number of clients that can be run from trials. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:32:00 -
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I presume this refers to ISK selling ad spammers, as opposed to people actually sending money in all directions in-game?
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Kilana Omni
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
It's a good idea but forcing people to provide credit card details is a likely turn-off for potential customers.
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Fat Domino
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:10:00 -
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if ccp want i can make a function which prevent to display msg with some string ( that u can choose with a little magic windows ), like evegoldforcheap.com. It will run on client side, so doesnt overload the server.
It will take me 10 min ( yeah i suck in programming, maybe a pro can do that in 10 sec ).
This will make a giga patch of 0.05 kbytes
But i understand that ppl who can do thing like a mmo, with trillon of coding line, are not able to make this 10 lines function. But maybe this way is too easy and they are searching for a solution that take 10 pro pgm and 3 month of development.
bad english..i know...and i dont care.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash
Yes
What did I do last summer?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:19:00 -
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I read the word "toon" and stopped reading. 
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 07:57:00 -
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It isn't unrealistic. I've played quite a few MMOs - lets take a peek at the new player experience in Everquest 2.
You start on the "Beginner's Island." The island is secluded from the main game, there are no griefers there. You learn about basic gameplay, quests, and such by yourself. If you know someone, you can have a private chat with them, but the larger world is unavailable to you until you take the boat to the mainland - at which time you can never go back to the newbie island.
Eve could work much the same way. A "real" trial account is either someone who started playing because they know someone in game, and they can communicate freely with their friend(s), or it is someone blindly wandering into the world of Eve to check it out. In either case, these players have no need during their first 14 days of playing Eve to communicate with the world at large in any modicum available.
I can't honestly of any negative ramification of "confining" trial account players to a limited range of galactic communication.
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Bacfe
Minmatar
Medieval Animal Inoculation Department Services
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:29:00 -
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Right-click.
Block.
=D
Nice, quick and easy. Involves relatively (relatively) little effort. And you get the last laugh knowing that those idiots are wasting their time spamming the channel.
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari
Solar Wind
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.29 16:44:00 -
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For once CCP could steal something from WOW.
In wow, whenever anyone says anything, be that whisper, yell, trade channels, raids, guildchat etc.
Anyone can right click on the person speaking and choose from a list:
Invite to group
Ignore
Target
Report!!!
The invite and target are normal tools for making a group or just finding them, the ignore adds the person to a list of players whom you can't see text from.
The Report acts like a petition and it has really helped enourmously on the spamming in WOW.
Spams went from 4-5 whispers, 10+ (depending on your location) yells in trade channels to at most 1-2 in total a day, within the first week.
Summary: implement a right click option for petitioning an individual for isk sales spamming, anyone abusing the system to report non isk sellers will get a warning.
Fixed Yay! have a cookie  - Deckard
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Kuranta
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Posted - 2007.06.29 17:16:00 -
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The "Right Click Petition" sounds good (if not abused/punished f=r abusing). But I guess a lot of GM would have to be at hand to take care of those fast petitions, or there would be no point in it. At least at the beginning. When the sellers know, there's no way to get through, they *might* go look somewhere else to farm/spam/sell.
Still, a filter might be more effective, not letting post isk sellers at all. On the other hand, the filter might not be that accurate.
Preventing them to just some channels will just safe some of us from seeing, but not to remove the problem as far as possible, what should be the objective.
How 'bout flagging any character posting a URL more than twice or three times in I dunno...30 mins?
Who else would or even have to do so? I have been active in help channels, and there is no need to do so.
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ZPG CEO
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Posted - 2007.06.29 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.29 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
Took blizzard almost 3 years to block spammers, since that industry really only recently in the last 4 years have been busy lets not be so hard on CCP shall we.
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Kunelk
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Posted - 2007.06.30 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Yeah so every single potential player that use other method of payments than a credit card will not be able to test the game. What a brilliant idea...
Limit where they can talk, like their corp, local,gang and the basic
But the only, ONLY way to stop isk farming, its for people to stop buying isk.
Until that happens, isk advertising and farming will never stop.
So either you find a way to stop all isk buying(like banning all the isk buyers on the spot)
Or we deal with that spamming.
Its everybody in this game that should report all their friend who bought isk.
Its not only CCP's job, but everybody who's concerned about this issue.
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Kiera Lavode
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
This is goddamn rediculous now. Empire channels spammed 2-3 times by the 4-5 different toons per hour -if not more. Can't CCP figure out where the damn spammers are coming from and follow Blizzard's example by taking legal action?
As far as the whole "They aren't all Asian." The Minmatar Empire Channel was spammed 2-3x per hour for 3 hours by some isk seller in -guess what- Chinese characters until it was set to English, then it spammed another 2-3x and logged off. So not all are Asian, we don't care if they are plaid martians, isk spammers need to be shuffled off into the biomass converter set to "Slow Grind".
These are all trial accounts that are quickly terminated if not banned by GM's. They just keep creating new trial accounts on new email addresses and new ip's
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat. The MOTD can tell players that a Full Account has access to 5 empire channels, langauage channels, x # of trade channels, and can invite other players to chats. Seriously restrict communication abilities of trial accounts. If they want to chat with a player, they can ask in local, rookie chat, or starter corp chat.
This is a draconian measure, but it's time to take harsh measures to kill off the Isk Spammers.
Let them be invited, but not invite, also.
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Jennai
Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bacfe
Right-click.
Block.
=D
Nice, quick and easy. Involves relatively (relatively) little effort. And you get the last laugh knowing that those idiots are wasting their time spamming the channel.
why should everyone using public channels have to fill their block lists with hundreds of throwaway spam accounts when they should be blocked on the server side? we all know that P&P doesn't handle extremely large lists well, and this will just make it take ages to load when you want to unblock an actual player.
blueprints channel is getting hit every 10-20 minutes and lately they've started spamming entire screenfuls of this crap.
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Cyberstrike2027
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:15:00 -
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If "isk" and a url link are in the same chat post, then they should be removed from chat, the post should never make it to the channel, they should be gagged in all channels, and a GM informed to either delete/ban them, or ungag them and return them to chat channels and explain they have to be vigilant against isk sellers.
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.30 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kunelk
Originally by: Caios
Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
Actually, you don't even need to debit any money to validate a card. The effect of potentially driving people off wouldn't be that great I think. Like I said, a lot of other games already do this, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Yeah so every single potential player that use other method of payments than a credit card will not be able to test the game. What a brilliant idea...
Limit where they can talk, like their corp, local,gang and the basic
But the only, ONLY way to stop isk farming, its for people to stop buying isk.
Until that happens, isk advertising and farming will never stop.
So either you find a way to stop all isk buying(like banning all the isk buyers on the spot)
Or we deal with that spamming.
Its everybody in this game that should report all their friend who bought isk.
Its not only CCP's job, but everybody who's concerned about this issue.
A former corpmate told us he got scammed by such and such crippity crappity and basically lost a vaga, 800 mil from wallet and rampaging on. Turns out he bought a hellish amount of ISK and got nailed for it. CCP took the money from his wallet, he ended up about -800 million in the wallet.
Please start banning people instead of only hammering their wallet.
Yes, Isk buying is everyone's concern. Not too many people are going to tell their corpies that they just bought a billion isk or show off the uber goodies they bought arosing suspicion. But there is the occasional player who does mention it... petition them.
We can't just go off on a witch hunt petitioning anyone scanned to have uber expensive mods or super faction ships pimped to the nines.
61 channels. Trial accounts get 61 channels off the bat when as new players they only really need 3-4 and maybe their language channel to get a feel for the game.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
Relatively easy to do, shouldn't scare away too many *good* potential customers, and would CERTAINLY cut down on the spammers, as well as the fleets of rookie macro miners/traders.
So am i 12 then?
I don't have a credit card and i'm 22 your logic doesn't follow, if i had to provide credit card details when i started playing then i would never have signed up and i think its great you don't have to provide them at all.
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Antari Shiy
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.30 03:03:00 -
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I still say they should suspend the issue of new trial accounts until the servers are more stable, lets be fair the servers are struggling with the numbers we have now, if they suspended the issue of trial accounts for 6 months it would give them the chance to sort out the servers and stableise things (maybe) before a new influx of players, as it stands now a fair few trial players are gonnabe put off by the lag.
I know if I was a new player my first thought would be "Wow this looks nice and all but if they haven't sorted the lag out by now maybe it's not worth the bother."
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Ohmi Sohaawny
Love You Long Time
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Posted - 2007.06.30 03:33:00 -
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Blizzard is taking useless legal action.
Why would CCP waste money on doing the same?
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.30 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ohmi Sohaawny
Blizzard is taking useless legal action.
Why would CCP waste money on doing the same?
CCP wouldn't have much to stand on. EVE-China allows isk buying/selling, selling/buying in game items for RL cash.
EVE for everyone else doesn't. Limit the channels trials can access and spammage volume diminishes. If the account is bumped to a full account and starts spamming, CCP might have tools to find out who is connected to the spammer. Banning a trial account doesn't cost them anything aside from the few moments to setup another trial account with 3 alts. Ban a full account and there is a bit more lost.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.06.30 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Domino
if ccp want i can make a function which prevent to display msg with some string ( that u can choose with a little magic windows ), like evegoldforcheap.com. It will run on client side, so doesnt overload the server.
It will take me 10 min ( yeah i suck in programming, maybe a pro can do that in 10 sec ).
This will make a giga patch of 0.05 kbytes
But i understand that ppl who can do thing like a mmo, with trillon of coding line, are not able to make this 10 lines function. But maybe this way is too easy and they are searching for a solution that take 10 pro pgm and 3 month of development.
bad english..i know...and i dont care.
If u where a pro you would understand that this would mean more lag and over time higher CPU.
The solution that the OP sugested is perfect, why finds why to fight the problem when u can just kill it.
If u force them to use normal accounts then every account blocked will cost them real life currency, each block account will mean 15$ at least, that will make the advertising not only moer complicated, they will need to start providing payment method, it will also cost them more and so we will get alot less spam.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 05:57:00 -
[32]
four spams from three throwaway trials in two minutes. something needs to be done because this is getting way out of hand.
[05:40:16] wuyouwang > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:31] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:43] maple6667 > 100M ISK only $6.29,http://www.morespam.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7
[05:42:02] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:42:03] Jennai > this is absurd
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Bacfe
Minmatar
Medieval Animal Inoculation Department Services
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Posted - 2007.06.30 06:53:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Jennai
why should everyone using public channels have to fill their block lists with hundreds of throwaway spam accounts when they should be blocked on the server side? we all know that P&P doesn't handle extremely large lists well, and this will just make it take ages to load when you want to unblock an actual player.
blueprints channel is getting hit every 10-20 minutes and lately they've started spamming entire screenfuls of this crap.
Yes, not going to disupte that. It's also annoying nuking your blocklist every now and then, it's like a bloody standings reset.
But right now, as of this moment, I doubt there are few better ways to ignore them, unless you have patience of some ungodly saint.
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Sae Len
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Posted - 2007.06.30 09:34:00 -
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Tonight I decided to devote some time to taking revenge on ISK spammers because they are just so friggin annying with their once-in-2-seconds spam.
First I sent them gang and chat invites. Sometimes they accepted and then started spamming the gang or private chat channel for some time instead of the trade channels. Some of them started avoiding my gang invites eventually. Then I started petitioning them.
I petitioned them under Rules and Policies -> Harassment. I made about 7-8 petitions linking 1-2 spammers per petition and adding in that they advertise ISK selling websites. I got responses within just 3 minutes to all of my petitions. At first they started making new accounts and going back to their spam within just 5 minutes of getting banned. But after 7-8 petitions they stopped completely. My theory is that they don't know English very well and cannot create trial accounts on their own. They probably have a few prepared for their shift of spamming by someone who knows how to request trials. After those are banned, they are out, and the spam stops.
If everyone took their time to actually petition the ISK spammers instead of ignoring or blocking them, there would be much less of it.
Sp do your duty to keep the game clean from ISK selling spam - take 2 minutes of your time, write a petition and ban a spammer when you see one 
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Sae Len
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Posted - 2007.06.30 10:53:00 -
[35]
Also to make a trial account, it is one account per e-mail address, so not only do you have to go through the process of creating a new account with EVE but also subscribe to new e-mail address each time. For buy-our-ISK spammers it is a hassle considering that at least in my case it took just 3 minutes to get them banned each time.
After this they haven't shown up in trade channels for hours and other players were commenting on how great it was without their spam.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:02:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sae Len
Also to make a trial account, it is one account per e-mail address, so not only do you have to go through the process of creating a new account with EVE but also subscribe to new e-mail address each time. For buy-our-ISK spammers it is a hassle considering that at least in my case it took just 3 minutes to get them banned each time.
if they have control over a mail server, they can create millions of trials on one domain by setting up a catch-all account.
this would be fairly easy to stop by banning the creation of trials on email accounts on known spammer domains, but that would require dev time.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:09:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:19:00 -
[38]
Why don't they just ban their ip ranges?
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:20:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Kyozoku
Why don't they just ban their ip ranges?
you can't ban an entire ISP's IP block, or every open proxy server.
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Doc Imp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:01:00 -
[40]
The failure to deal with this issue is not a failure of ability it is a failure of care. Any number of the options mentioned already would solve the issue but the devs need to care enough to do something. This is not a hard fix, but it needs to be done.
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Doc Imp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:01:00 -
[41]
The failure to deal with this issue is not a failure of ability it is a failure of care. Any number of the options mentioned already would solve the issue but the devs need to care enough to do something. This is not a hard fix, but it needs to be done.
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[42]
The trade channels are just hit as hard by these ISK sellers. Although petitioning under EULA & exploit does get a swift response from a GM we get fed up of petitioning they are spamming so much.
Might I suggest a new job for ISD  to monitor the channels and ban the buggers.
Masking certain URLS wont work as they will just open a new domain name and use a forwarder.
How about inducing the ultimate torture and make the tutorial obligatory before any chat windows will open for new players (disable the channel icon as well) :)
Or
Tie new accounts to local, rookie help for the first couple of weeks.
Or
Have GMs monitor channels with alerts so they don't have to sit and watch, maybe when a URL that starts http: (otherwise they'll get blitzed with item link warnings) gives them an audible beep signal.
Or
Anything else suggested in this thread.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Post this on featuers and ideas i will
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[44]
The trade channels are just hit as hard by these ISK sellers. Although petitioning under EULA & exploit does get a swift response from a GM we get fed up of petitioning they are spamming so much.
Might I suggest a new job for ISD to monitor the channels and ban the buggers.
Masking certain URLS wont work as they will just open a new domain name and use a forwarder.
How about inducing the ultimate torture and make the tutorial obligatory before any chat windows will open for new players (disable the channel icon as well) :)
Or
Tie new accounts to local, rookie help for the first couple of weeks.
Or
Have GMs monitor channels with alerts so they don't have to sit and watch, maybe when a URL that starts http: (otherwise they'll get blitzed with item link warnings) gives them an audible beep signal.
Or
Anything else suggested in this thread.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Post this on featuers and ideas i will
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:17:00 -
[46]
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
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Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:17:00 -
[47]
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:19:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:19:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
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Sophia Stormbringer
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:22:00 -
[50]
It worked in other chats before:
Posting the same message more than once or twice will deny further posts of that message. (10 last messages buffered for example)
Its only a temporary solution because at least some spammers will adapt, and create tools which change the spam message everytime. But it will definitely stop them for a while.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:35:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Callthetruth
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
In my opinion I disagree, they shouldn't be encouraged to get membership for a couple of reasons:
The first meaning CCP will then get fake membership figures and think they are doing better than they actually are, possibly then planning for the future with costs they can not cover.
The second leads on from the first point, the Asian "sweatshops" will put these memberships on stolen or made up cards. Which when the banks find out that they are not going to pay off the massive amounts of membership they purchase, the transactions will be charged back. This not only means CCP have to give the money back but also an extra chargeback fee! hence CCP losing a lot more money!
The above is true and as you can kind of tell I work on this for a living with another MMO company. Its very hard to stop and costs a lot of money 
Hence I feel the only solution is for players to realise they should stop buying from them. My company have now started perm banning the accounts which do purchase the in game currency and it is having a significant effect! for starters the players are buying less and less from fear of account banning and the ISK sellers are finding it increasingly harder to sell.
That is all.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:47:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat.
That won't slow them down more than about 20 mins (the time it takes the trial to get to a nearby system with a HQ, join the corp, and start spamming away.
Kill the corp and ban the CEO and they can start another in 3 mins or less. They'll have dozens of such corps. Rinse & repeat.
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:50:00 -
[53]
Anyone stopped to think that the reason we get spammed so much is that the ISK sellers business is going down the swanny 
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.01 00:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Nox Solaris
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat.
That won't slow them down more than about 20 mins (the time it takes the trial to get to a nearby system with a HQ, join the corp, and start spamming away.
Kill the corp and ban the CEO and they can start another in 3 mins or less. They'll have dozens of such corps. Rinse & repeat.
Limit channels accessible to trial accounts, trial accounts can't join corps... another problem solved. Let them spend to get full accounts, then banning them inflicts a little more pain.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.01 02:17:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kilana Omni
Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
It's a good idea but forcing people to provide credit card details is a likely turn-off for potential customers.
So what we can not handle many more players anyways.
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Chi Canery
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:00:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Jennai
four spams from three throwaway trials in two minutes. something needs to be done because this is getting way out of hand.
[05:40:16] wuyouwang > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:31] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:43] maple6667 > 100M ISK only $6.29,http://www.morespam.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7
[05:42:02] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:42:03] Jennai > this is absurd
Well I did debate posting on this, but after reading your posts on another thread , I do consider you a hippocryte complaining about isk advertising here, as that is indeed what spam is.
These are the same people running website ads, which you seem to think are an ok evil. Two parts of the same problem. Do I really need to put the link up?
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:08:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
the Asian "sweatshops"
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Kata Amentis
Simian Assembly
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
since when is it a good idea to attack a problem from only one direction?
Whilst i totally agree that stopping the demand is attacking the root of the problem and the only "true" solution, lets get them from every direction we can. Make things as difficult for them as possible, at the very least, we'll eliminate the lazy ones!
1: limit the chat channels available to the trial accounts
2: have the channels monitored by gm's who can ban the isk sellers on sight (ok, local is a bit tricky, but at least the newbies aren't going to get the idea that isk buying is a good thing by seeing links in rookie chat)
3: limit the trials to stop them joining corps (sucks, but tough)
4: perma ban isk buyers (its a EULA breach, and i thought that meant bye bye?)
(and for those who know the joke, could just try throwing a pax at them  )
"Up and up, how far can we go? and how far must we fall to get there?"
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.01 08:04:00 -
[59]
I would like to see all free trials removed.
Instead, run like some private torrent sites do (demonoid etc).
Basically, it is invite only. Every month each account gets 1-2 invite slots. This promotes the buddy bonus, allows people to join their mates up, and reduces the amount of people pulling off these scams.
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Jasmine Dupre
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.01 08:22:00 -
[60]
Trial accounts should be made only for test server that would fix that issue...
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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DKE Milio
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Posted - 2007.07.01 12:01:00 -
[61]
Just don't let trial users use the word 'isk' and 'sell' and don't let them make urls
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Garviel Lokken
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:07:00 -
[62]
this **** does have to stop, ive got my blocked list almost full with nothing but ISK spammers. every time i pull up my people/places list it freezes up because of the damned blocked list is so huge. let the newbies suffer, who cares about if the new players cant have full acess to the chat channels, they dont even have acess to all the skills.
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Haclya
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Posted - 2007.07.04 07:27:00 -
[63]
Originally by: DKE Milio
Just don't let trial users use the word 'isk' and 'sell' and don't let them make urls
Yes that whoud be a good idea to no sensor isk and ú$ and not let make urls on
trial acounts.
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Kransthow
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.07.04 08:24:00 -
[64]
Most of these suggestions involve killing off the symptons, while leaving the heart of the problem, Isk farmers, still beating. My suggestion would be that CCP goes "Undercover" and goes to these websites, order some isk like anybody else, and then using their dev powers just bans the account that traded the isk and all the accounts that traded isk to that account and any more isk trading between accounts in the little spiderweb of isk trading.
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Havoc Darkeen
Northern Shadowrunners
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 09:24:00 -
[65]
Not letting trial users post url:s and certain words is the best idea yet. Simple to implement and should be fairly effective.
This should of course be in addition to hunting down the sellers and buying by investigative work.
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Malaan Tabfassh
Penguin Mining Operations and More
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Posted - 2007.07.04 10:07:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Havoc Darkeen
Not letting trial users post url:s and certain words is the best idea yet. Simple to implement and should be fairly effective.
This should of course be in addition to hunting down the sellers and buying by investigative work.
get eve gold from w w w . s p a m . c o m
get i s k from ww w. sp am. com
get eve currency from w ww . spam . com
and so on...
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Havoc Darkeen
Northern Shadowrunners
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 10:57:00 -
[67]
They can easily make the filter smarter than that. Yes, it will still be possible to get a cryptic spam message across, but the target audience probably wouldnŠt understand it.
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Driven
Caldari
Mass Produced
Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:25:00 -
[68]
This is a direct cut and paste out of the blueprint channel from last night - deleting the few actual player postings. I thought perhaps this might be revealing for those in CCP who care about the player experience.
[00:46:46] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:46:56] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:47:39] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:07] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:17] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:48:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:29] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:49:38] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:21] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:49] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:50:59] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:51:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:10] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:52:20] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:31] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:53:41] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:54:52] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:02] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:55:44] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:13] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[00:56:23] dgmyytu > *moderated* - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
For those of you counting thats 23 ISK sellers postings in 10 minutes. ISK Seller Spamming in trade channels is COMPLETELY out of control. Is CCP going to do something about this?
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Posted - 2007.07.04 11:26:00 -
[69]
CCP could do alot to cut down and make life hard for isk sellers/buyers.
However, such mechanisms require resource (read : cost $$$) and don't forget sweatshops are using full accounts also which means they are paying CCP $$$ (directly via card, or indirectly via gamecards).
Stopping these isk sellers means 2 things - 1) Reduce monthly subscriptions (i.e. banning the accounts) and 2) employing someone to do this - both these things reduce CCP (or any other game companies) revenue & profit margins.
Therefore, its bad business sense to do such, at least until a large portion of your player base becomes annoyed enough that you are forced into action. Until then all you need to do is pay the subject occassional lip service in a forum/news post by simply saying your trying to resolve the issue.
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Kenneys
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:06:00 -
[70]
Hi all.
I'm a pretty competent programmer.. and i just wanted to inform you on generating the trial account.
You can pretty much generate new email addresses by executing a script. Following that, you save all the new emails into a text file, and then run another script that reads from the text file to generate your trial accounts.
Then after that, run a macro program that lets you train/mine/rat/spam with those trial accounts.
Honestly the best solution that i can come up with, is to allocate manpower to comb through bank accounts and play time durations.
Then after that, come up with a shortlist for investigation, and start banning. (Banning an account that has banked over 50 billion isk is crippling to any farming company and would take months to recuperate)
You will always be able to do more damage than the farmers can heal, because in eve it takes a bloody long time to train the skills up.
If anyone is interested, i've heard some really good things coming from final fantasy's economy since the farmer bannings. Things that used to be worth 100 mil, are now down to 1 to 10 mil.
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codex09
Minmatar
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.07.04 12:08:00 -
[71]
Originally by: ZPG CEO
Edited by: ZPG CEO on 29/06/2007 19:31:58
EDIT: Sorry, posted with alt by mistake. - Barashi Nugan
I think the credit card idea is a d*mn good one.
Sure, it'll drive off a few potential customers, but what customers are those going to be? 12 year olds? And what happens when that trial account gets into a game proliferated with a constant barrage of spam? Do you think that sends a good message to future customers?
Make it require a valid credit card to create a trial, but not an auto-charge at the end of the 15 days. Make it so the system does a "validation scan" for $1 on the card to prove it's a valid card with money on it.
There are a lot of people that either don't have credit cards or flat refuse to use them online (A very good idea), so what happens to these people? Just to clear up a few things not everyone over the age of 12 has a credit card.
So very basically what I am seeing is lets punish the majority to please a minority.
Look everyone agrees that the spamming of these people is a bit of a pain but there are a lot of other ways of dealing with this problem other than forcing people to provide deatils of credit cards etc..
I think the filter is a good idea and have it so that it just flat removes any message that has ISK or Gold in it. Sort of like how the swearing filters work on other games (I am not sure if this one has them as I play this game to play the game not sit there chatting all day and night)
The other idea about limiting trial players to set channels is another good idea basically because on a trial account you aren't able to tranfer ISK, or Train some of the higher skills etc etc so trial account really don't need to have access to the channels like the BP, Ships, Modules etc etc. Once an account is changed from a trial account to a full paying account all the other channels become available just like the way the skills do..
Also is it possible that some of these spammers are using paying accounts? I ask this because I know that you can't transfer ISK on a trial account so they must have full accounts to do the selling from (I could be wrong)
I think however that a combination of the filter or channel limits and an Ingame LP to ISK exchange would do the trick. The exchange rates could change with the economy and because it is exchanging LP it wouldn't be like players could get heaps and heaps of it without engaging in playing the actual game.. (It is just a thought and even though it may not be a good one it is something)
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