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mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.06.30 05:22:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Fat Domino
if ccp want i can make a function which prevent to display msg with some string ( that u can choose with a little magic windows ), like evegoldforcheap.com. It will run on client side, so doesnt overload the server.
It will take me 10 min ( yeah i suck in programming, maybe a pro can do that in 10 sec ).
This will make a giga patch of 0.05 kbytes
But i understand that ppl who can do thing like a mmo, with trillon of coding line, are not able to make this 10 lines function. But maybe this way is too easy and they are searching for a solution that take 10 pro pgm and 3 month of development.
bad english..i know...and i dont care.
If u where a pro you would understand that this would mean more lag and over time higher CPU.
The solution that the OP sugested is perfect, why finds why to fight the problem when u can just kill it.
If u force them to use normal accounts then every account blocked will cost them real life currency, each block account will mean 15$ at least, that will make the advertising not only moer complicated, they will need to start providing payment method, it will also cost them more and so we will get alot less spam.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 05:57:00 -
[32]
four spams from three throwaway trials in two minutes. something needs to be done because this is getting way out of hand.
[05:40:16] wuyouwang > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:31] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:43] maple6667 > 100M ISK only $6.29,http://www.morespam.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7
[05:42:02] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:42:03] Jennai > this is absurd
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Bacfe
Minmatar
Medieval Animal Inoculation Department Services
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Posted - 2007.06.30 06:53:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Jennai
why should everyone using public channels have to fill their block lists with hundreds of throwaway spam accounts when they should be blocked on the server side? we all know that P&P doesn't handle extremely large lists well, and this will just make it take ages to load when you want to unblock an actual player.
blueprints channel is getting hit every 10-20 minutes and lately they've started spamming entire screenfuls of this crap.
Yes, not going to disupte that. It's also annoying nuking your blocklist every now and then, it's like a bloody standings reset.
But right now, as of this moment, I doubt there are few better ways to ignore them, unless you have patience of some ungodly saint.
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I r an alt, hear me roar.
My CEO and my Alliance doesn't like me posting with my main, unfortunately, even with "My opinion, not corp/alliance, blah blah" th |
Sae Len
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Posted - 2007.06.30 09:34:00 -
[34]
Tonight I decided to devote some time to taking revenge on ISK spammers because they are just so friggin annying with their once-in-2-seconds spam.
First I sent them gang and chat invites. Sometimes they accepted and then started spamming the gang or private chat channel for some time instead of the trade channels. Some of them started avoiding my gang invites eventually. Then I started petitioning them.
I petitioned them under Rules and Policies -> Harassment. I made about 7-8 petitions linking 1-2 spammers per petition and adding in that they advertise ISK selling websites. I got responses within just 3 minutes to all of my petitions. At first they started making new accounts and going back to their spam within just 5 minutes of getting banned. But after 7-8 petitions they stopped completely. My theory is that they don't know English very well and cannot create trial accounts on their own. They probably have a few prepared for their shift of spamming by someone who knows how to request trials. After those are banned, they are out, and the spam stops.
If everyone took their time to actually petition the ISK spammers instead of ignoring or blocking them, there would be much less of it.
Sp do your duty to keep the game clean from ISK selling spam - take 2 minutes of your time, write a petition and ban a spammer when you see one 
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Sae Len
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Posted - 2007.06.30 10:53:00 -
[35]
Also to make a trial account, it is one account per e-mail address, so not only do you have to go through the process of creating a new account with EVE but also subscribe to new e-mail address each time. For buy-our-ISK spammers it is a hassle considering that at least in my case it took just 3 minutes to get them banned each time.
After this they haven't shown up in trade channels for hours and other players were commenting on how great it was without their spam.
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:02:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sae Len
Also to make a trial account, it is one account per e-mail address, so not only do you have to go through the process of creating a new account with EVE but also subscribe to new e-mail address each time. For buy-our-ISK spammers it is a hassle considering that at least in my case it took just 3 minutes to get them banned each time.
if they have control over a mail server, they can create millions of trials on one domain by setting up a catch-all account.
this would be fairly easy to stop by banning the creation of trials on email accounts on known spammer domains, but that would require dev time.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:09:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:19:00 -
[38]
Why don't they just ban their ip ranges?
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Jennai
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.30 11:20:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Kyozoku
Why don't they just ban their ip ranges?
you can't ban an entire ISP's IP block, or every open proxy server.
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Doc Imp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:01:00 -
[40]
The failure to deal with this issue is not a failure of ability it is a failure of care. Any number of the options mentioned already would solve the issue but the devs need to care enough to do something. This is not a hard fix, but it needs to be done.
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Doc Imp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:01:00 -
[41]
The failure to deal with this issue is not a failure of ability it is a failure of care. Any number of the options mentioned already would solve the issue but the devs need to care enough to do something. This is not a hard fix, but it needs to be done.
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[42]
The trade channels are just hit as hard by these ISK sellers. Although petitioning under EULA & exploit does get a swift response from a GM we get fed up of petitioning they are spamming so much.
Might I suggest a new job for ISD  to monitor the channels and ban the buggers.
Masking certain URLS wont work as they will just open a new domain name and use a forwarder.
How about inducing the ultimate torture and make the tutorial obligatory before any chat windows will open for new players (disable the channel icon as well) :)
Or
Tie new accounts to local, rookie help for the first couple of weeks.
Or
Have GMs monitor channels with alerts so they don't have to sit and watch, maybe when a URL that starts http: (otherwise they'll get blitzed with item link warnings) gives them an audible beep signal.
Or
Anything else suggested in this thread.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Post this on featuers and ideas i will
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[44]
The trade channels are just hit as hard by these ISK sellers. Although petitioning under EULA & exploit does get a swift response from a GM we get fed up of petitioning they are spamming so much.
Might I suggest a new job for ISD to monitor the channels and ban the buggers.
Masking certain URLS wont work as they will just open a new domain name and use a forwarder.
How about inducing the ultimate torture and make the tutorial obligatory before any chat windows will open for new players (disable the channel icon as well) :)
Or
Tie new accounts to local, rookie help for the first couple of weeks.
Or
Have GMs monitor channels with alerts so they don't have to sit and watch, maybe when a URL that starts http: (otherwise they'll get blitzed with item link warnings) gives them an audible beep signal.
Or
Anything else suggested in this thread.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:11:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 30/06/2007 11:13:43
It may be better to give people a choice to filter out trial account chat from specific channels (per chanel, like the blink on/off feature). Kind of like an autoblock feature, and implement the same setting for evemail too.
Ofcourse, people in your buddylist and your own player corporation should be excluded from this setting. It would solve the whole ISK selling spam works in one fell swoop. The little bit of managing that remains will be in players hands then, and not the overworked GMs.
I see no downsides to this, trial account players can chat with other trial account players by default, as the autoblock feature will be for paid accounts only. Isk sellers will fade away as these new players have no use for massive amounts of isk anyway.
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Post this on featuers and ideas i will
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:17:00 -
[46]
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:17:00 -
[47]
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
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In the beginning the Universe was created,
This made a lot of people angry,
and has been widely regarded as a bad idea. |
Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:19:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:19:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
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Sophia Stormbringer
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:22:00 -
[50]
It worked in other chats before:
Posting the same message more than once or twice will deny further posts of that message. (10 last messages buffered for example)
Its only a temporary solution because at least some spammers will adapt, and create tools which change the spam message everytime. But it will definitely stop them for a while.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:35:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Callthetruth
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
the idea of a changeable blocking of all trail accounts from public channels is the best one ( at least forces em onto paid accounts )
also seems the least amount of effort and it doesnt stockpile peoples blocklists ( adding more lag)
In my opinion I disagree, they shouldn't be encouraged to get membership for a couple of reasons:
The first meaning CCP will then get fake membership figures and think they are doing better than they actually are, possibly then planning for the future with costs they can not cover.
The second leads on from the first point, the Asian "sweatshops" will put these memberships on stolen or made up cards. Which when the banks find out that they are not going to pay off the massive amounts of membership they purchase, the transactions will be charged back. This not only means CCP have to give the money back but also an extra chargeback fee! hence CCP losing a lot more money!
The above is true and as you can kind of tell I work on this for a living with another MMO company. Its very hard to stop and costs a lot of money 
Hence I feel the only solution is for players to realise they should stop buying from them. My company have now started perm banning the accounts which do purchase the in game currency and it is having a significant effect! for starters the players are buying less and less from fear of account banning and the ISK sellers are finding it increasingly harder to sell.
That is all.
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:47:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat.
That won't slow them down more than about 20 mins (the time it takes the trial to get to a nearby system with a HQ, join the corp, and start spamming away.
Kill the corp and ban the CEO and they can start another in 3 mins or less. They'll have dozens of such corps. Rinse & repeat.
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:50:00 -
[53]
Anyone stopped to think that the reason we get spammed so much is that the ISK sellers business is going down the swanny 
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.07.01 00:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Nox Solaris
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Kill off the isk spammers!
Please limit Trial Account users to "local", "rookie help", "trial account", and their starter corp chat.
That won't slow them down more than about 20 mins (the time it takes the trial to get to a nearby system with a HQ, join the corp, and start spamming away.
Kill the corp and ban the CEO and they can start another in 3 mins or less. They'll have dozens of such corps. Rinse & repeat.
Limit channels accessible to trial accounts, trial accounts can't join corps... another problem solved. Let them spend to get full accounts, then banning them inflicts a little more pain.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.01 02:17:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kilana Omni
Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 28/06/2007 20:29:41
I donno if this is the case because its been a while since my trial, but one thing that could be done is to require valid and unique credit card info to sign up for a trial. There wouldn't be a debit, but it would go a ways toward having some sort of individual identificaion for people making accounts. I know Second Life does this, as well as a few other online things. It might not stop the proliferation of junk trials altogether, but it would slow things down a bit.
It's a good idea but forcing people to provide credit card details is a likely turn-off for potential customers.
So what we can not handle many more players anyways.
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Chi Canery
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:00:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Jennai
four spams from three throwaway trials in two minutes. something needs to be done because this is getting way out of hand.
[05:40:16] wuyouwang > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:31] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:41:43] maple6667 > 100M ISK only $6.29,http://www.morespam.com, instant delivery with live chat support 24/7
[05:42:02] ddsgsdgsgs > www.spam.com - EVE Online Gold Trading Center - As low as $64.93/1000 M ISK
[05:42:03] Jennai > this is absurd
Well I did debate posting on this, but after reading your posts on another thread , I do consider you a hippocryte complaining about isk advertising here, as that is indeed what spam is.
These are the same people running website ads, which you seem to think are an ok evil. Two parts of the same problem. Do I really need to put the link up?
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:08:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
the Asian "sweatshops"
And sweatshops based on *ANY* other country/continent. That's all. |
Kata Amentis
Simian Assembly
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Posted - 2007.07.01 03:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
All the ideas in this thread are ridiculous because they will simply find a way around them.
The only solution is for players to stop buying from them. Simple.
since when is it a good idea to attack a problem from only one direction?
Whilst i totally agree that stopping the demand is attacking the root of the problem and the only "true" solution, lets get them from every direction we can. Make things as difficult for them as possible, at the very least, we'll eliminate the lazy ones!
1: limit the chat channels available to the trial accounts
2: have the channels monitored by gm's who can ban the isk sellers on sight (ok, local is a bit tricky, but at least the newbies aren't going to get the idea that isk buying is a good thing by seeing links in rookie chat)
3: limit the trials to stop them joining corps (sucks, but tough)
4: perma ban isk buyers (its a EULA breach, and i thought that meant bye bye?)
(and for those who know the joke, could just try throwing a pax at them  )
"Up and up, how far can we go? and how far must we fall to get there?"
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.07.01 08:04:00 -
[59]
I would like to see all free trials removed.
Instead, run like some private torrent sites do (demonoid etc).
Basically, it is invite only. Every month each account gets 1-2 invite slots. This promotes the buddy bonus, allows people to join their mates up, and reduces the amount of people pulling off these scams.
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Jasmine Dupre
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.01 08:22:00 -
[60]
Trial accounts should be made only for test server that would fix that issue...
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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