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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.31 10:35:00 -
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There's more to this game then fleet battles in case you didn't notice, saying a ship that cannot perform in every pvp situation is uselless is utter bull.
And my point about drones being guns that can be destroyed is that drones != a ship/player, they're part of a players arsenal of weapons.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2004.01.31 10:35:00 -
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There's more to this game then fleet battles in case you didn't notice, saying a ship that cannot perform in every pvp situation is uselless is utter bull.
And my point about drones being guns that can be destroyed is that drones != a ship/player, they're part of a players arsenal of weapons.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.31 10:45:00 -
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And I will say this one last time the reason you don't see ships besides BSs in mayor battles is cause of the quite simple fact that if you can choose between a frigate a cruiser and Battleship anyone sane will take the battleship to war. Atleast I would, that's why one spends months training for them, if there was a frigate that would take the same amount of effort to acquire and pilot then yes it should play a significant role in PvP, but as it stands now, that is not the case.
When elite frigates start doing their thing then you can see how too make them usefull enough to warrant their use over a BS in a fleet. Normal frigates are fine as is.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2004.01.31 10:45:00 -
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And I will say this one last time the reason you don't see ships besides BSs in mayor battles is cause of the quite simple fact that if you can choose between a frigate a cruiser and Battleship anyone sane will take the battleship to war. Atleast I would, that's why one spends months training for them, if there was a frigate that would take the same amount of effort to acquire and pilot then yes it should play a significant role in PvP, but as it stands now, that is not the case.
When elite frigates start doing their thing then you can see how too make them usefull enough to warrant their use over a BS in a fleet. Normal frigates are fine as is.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.01.31 17:25:00 -
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Normal frigates are fine as is.
bs.
Sorry but the rest of your stuff is just not worth mentioning. People like you kept crying how frigs were fine before Castor. Now look what CCP did. If you think that PvP in eve should be almost exclusively happening in battleships, think again.
WeŠll meet each other again when missiles are changed and torps will not take out drones any longer. YouŠll be the first one whining about how they threaten your life in your oh so precious battleship and need to be nerfed.
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MaiLina KaTar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2004.01.31 17:25:00 -
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Normal frigates are fine as is.
bs.
Sorry but the rest of your stuff is just not worth mentioning. People like you kept crying how frigs were fine before Castor. Now look what CCP did. If you think that PvP in eve should be almost exclusively happening in battleships, think again.
WeŠll meet each other again when missiles are changed and torps will not take out drones any longer. YouŠll be the first one whining about how they threaten your life in your oh so precious battleship and need to be nerfed.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.31 18:46:00 -
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My battleship, sry to dissapoint you there, I've only been able to pilot mine for the last 2 days, so that can't be the reason.
Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want.
And elite frigates are not worht mentioning, well suprise suprise they take a month of training, as such they can be given roles that surpass a BS's abilities. Since they require training, and effort.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2004.01.31 18:46:00 -
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My battleship, sry to dissapoint you there, I've only been able to pilot mine for the last 2 days, so that can't be the reason.
Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want.
And elite frigates are not worht mentioning, well suprise suprise they take a month of training, as such they can be given roles that surpass a BS's abilities. Since they require training, and effort.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.02.01 02:00:00 -
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Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want.
bs again.
That first sentence just proves that you actually didnŠt understand a single sentence of my post 
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MaiLina KaTar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2004.02.01 02:00:00 -
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Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want.
bs again.
That first sentence just proves that you actually didnŠt understand a single sentence of my post
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.01 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 01/02/2004 04:15:15
"Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want."
... No, the fantasy equivalent would be having a thief on the battlefield, that actually stands some chance of sneaking up on that lvl 150 mage, to club them over the head and knock them out, while they're all busy and focused mumbling their uber spells to annihilate the other wizard on top of another hill. :s
And it's not fantasy game, so equivalents aren't very relevant. Play rather Homeworld or similar space tactics game. Note how there's more ship types there than just battlecruisers, and all equally useful even if their cost and building time can vary greatly.
Funny concept, i know.
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2004.02.01 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 01/02/2004 04:15:15
"Why oh why is it so important to give the lvl 2 mage a role in a battle with lvl 150 mages throwing around uber spells. Cause that's the fantasy equivalent of what you want."
... No, the fantasy equivalent would be having a thief on the battlefield, that actually stands some chance of sneaking up on that lvl 150 mage, to club them over the head and knock them out, while they're all busy and focused mumbling their uber spells to annihilate the other wizard on top of another hill. :s
And it's not fantasy game, so equivalents aren't very relevant. Play rather Homeworld or similar space tactics game. Note how there's more ship types there than just battlecruisers, and all equally useful even if their cost and building time can vary greatly.
Funny concept, i know.
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Gius
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Posted - 2004.02.01 04:32:00 -
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how bout instead of defenders have a planix (forgive the spelling) high speed gatlin gun kinda like what the US has on its carriers and bss they auto target incoming missles and destroy them with a massive amount of bullets. This would give us to cheap to buy missles bastards an alternate to the defenders, but of course the ammo buy could be more than missles I guess, lol. Well thats my 2 cents :)
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Gius
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Posted - 2004.02.01 04:32:00 -
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how bout instead of defenders have a planix (forgive the spelling) high speed gatlin gun kinda like what the US has on its carriers and bss they auto target incoming missles and destroy them with a massive amount of bullets. This would give us to cheap to buy missles bastards an alternate to the defenders, but of course the ammo buy could be more than missles I guess, lol. Well thats my 2 cents :)
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Kennian
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Posted - 2004.02.01 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kennian on 01/02/2004 08:53:03
just a little info
Ogre heavy drone..
cost to produce, 150000 isk
damage 21-27 every 2 seconds
low armor, shields, speed,
roughly 30000 isk to repair
high lock speed
Tristan heavy Frigite
cost to produce, roughly 150-170k
heavy armor
heavy shields
HIGH speed <2kps vs 200mps>
high structure
MODULAR construction
damage veries with weapon type,
FREE REPAIRS
now, the drone costs just as much, but it's only advantage is you dont have to pay for it's guns..fun eh?
yess a thorax with 8 drones is going to eat you're frigite formation...THAT IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. and YES the battleships drones will eat you if you're stupid
adapt or die...quit trying to change something that in no way requires changeing
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Kennian
Gallente
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2004.02.01 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kennian on 01/02/2004 08:53:03
just a little info
Ogre heavy drone..
cost to produce, 150000 isk
damage 21-27 every 2 seconds
low armor, shields, speed,
roughly 30000 isk to repair
high lock speed
Tristan heavy Frigite
cost to produce, roughly 150-170k
heavy armor
heavy shields
HIGH speed <2kps vs 200mps>
high structure
MODULAR construction
damage veries with weapon type,
FREE REPAIRS
now, the drone costs just as much, but it's only advantage is you dont have to pay for it's guns..fun eh?
yess a thorax with 8 drones is going to eat you're frigite formation...THAT IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. and YES the battleships drones will eat you if you're stupid
adapt or die...quit trying to change something that in no way requires changeing
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:42:00 -
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yess a thorax with 8 drones is going to eat you're frigite formation...THAT IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. and YES the battleships drones will eat you if you're stupid
Everything in the game should have a counter. Drones have no good counter to them. Yes, they can be killed currently with torpedoes or FoF missiles but missiles have a serious nerf on the near horizon. What is already difficult to manage now will become doubly as hard at least when the nerf to missiles occurs.
Does it not strike you as having things a bit askew in EVE when it takes 2 cruise missiles to kill a Frigate and it take 2 cruise missiles to kill a single drone? Drones are supposed to be the equivalent of fighters yet they come close to equaling a frigate in both offense and defense (as a practical matter...take longer to target lock and yes they are weaker but when it takes two cruise missiles to kill either what's the difference really?).
Drones should not equal frigates yet they damn near do. They are supposed to equate to fighters...not frigate analogues.
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Mon Palae
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:42:00 -
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yess a thorax with 8 drones is going to eat you're frigite formation...THAT IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. and YES the battleships drones will eat you if you're stupid
Everything in the game should have a counter. Drones have no good counter to them. Yes, they can be killed currently with torpedoes or FoF missiles but missiles have a serious nerf on the near horizon. What is already difficult to manage now will become doubly as hard at least when the nerf to missiles occurs.
Does it not strike you as having things a bit askew in EVE when it takes 2 cruise missiles to kill a Frigate and it take 2 cruise missiles to kill a single drone? Drones are supposed to be the equivalent of fighters yet they come close to equaling a frigate in both offense and defense (as a practical matter...take longer to target lock and yes they are weaker but when it takes two cruise missiles to kill either what's the difference really?).
Drones should not equal frigates yet they **** near do. They are supposed to equate to fighters...not frigate analogues.
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Sybbiana Dawning
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Posted - 2006.11.26 03:49:00 -
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Here are my feelings on the drone issue(s). I am relatively new to the game, so this isn't the voice of experience as much as application of reasoning and logic.
The interesting aspect about drones, and what seems to be sparking this debate, is that a drone fills the role of a weapon (much as a laser does) and the role of spacecraft. To make arguments based solely on the assertion that a drone is comparable to a frigate is valid, but incomplete, as it leaves out the weapon system aspect; arguments based on drones being floating guns tend to overlook the flight aspect. To add to this, drones are automated and thus act similar to NPCs. Based on these observations, I think that both the advantages and disadvantages attributed to weapons, spacecraft and automated items should apply to drones as well.
Specifically, we know that pilots with the necessary skills and items can essentially hack various systems in an opponent's craft, for instance target jamming, warp scrambling, etc... In keeping with the paradigm established within EVE, it would make sense to state that a pilot can attain the necessary skill(s) and obtain the necessary item(s) to disrupt another pilot's drone control system, possibly with effects as dramatic as over-riding drone control, if the skill set was strong enough. Understand, the pilot attempting to hack the drone pilot's system would have to be substantially stronger in linking and drone control skills than the pilot controlling the drones for this to happen. This would represent the most extreme capability on a spectrum of drone interruption skills, with the lowest level simply being a modest reduction in the drone pilot's maximum drone-control range. Other effects could include reducing drone combat capability; rendering drones inert, but still in the possession of the drone pilot; and causing drones to malfunction completely, exhibiting randomized behavior. Whether these specific suggestions are valid or not, I do feel that the end result is that it should be possible for a person to become an anti-drone skill specialist.
Also note, I am not at all addressing the subject of a frigate's worthiness against drones or against a battleship carrying drones. Only that a pilot should be able to train skills and learn to implement items that allow them to be anti-drone specialists. As with any skill or specialty, a larger craft tends to allow for more options in a pilot's specialization or skill of choice; thus it would be for anti-drone pilots as well.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.26 03:54:00 -
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Seriously... can we lock every post that has been inactive for over 6 months?
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Talasan
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2006.11.26 04:04:00 -
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NECRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"minmatar got the shaft again? sure ill bend over right away" |
Spiderweb
Caldari
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.26 04:41:00 -
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Missiles? Maybe but with the proposed missile nerfs this probably goes out the window too. The only missile that was much use against drones was a torpedo as its splash range could get several. Splash range was nerfed and generally frigates can't carry torps anyway. So it is cruise missiles then. Of course, a standard launcher only carries one cruise missile so you will be reloading a lot and you have 8 drones chasing you.
This is what made me think that hey theres something wronmg about this thread.
the I laughed reading something which is absolutely absurd by todays standard :D
it is really a funny read :)
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Seriously... can we lock every post that has been inactive for over 6 months?
Too logical, will never happen. 
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EglantinFinfleur
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:04:00 -
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RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:09:00 -
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sure you can have this change but i want to be able to kill your turrets and missiles launchers with drones leaving your ship defenceless to
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 26/11/2006 05:24:41
some of a *****, freaking uber necro.
I went and replied to a 2004 post. 
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.26 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: EglantinFinfleur
RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE
Altered Beast ftw.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Znathsume
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Posted - 2006.11.26 06:43:00 -
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Yes keep whining and moaning . Frigates can warp scramble a battleship class ship , they can web a battleship , they can even jam it .For me eve lacks a lot in reality considering the size class differences. I remember when 1 torpedo could kill a frigate , now even heavy missiles do only 30-40 dmg against frigates . Just because you cant get your 20k worth frigate and screw up a 100 mil worth bs and still not get killed you come here proposing another ridiculus changes.
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velocoraptor
Gallente
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:38:00 -
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Torpedoes doing splash dmg, standard launchers fitted with one cruise missile .
OMG this necro-thread is living history!!!111 I'll bump it dailly \o/
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Nocturnal Prince
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:49:00 -
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/me gets the shotgun and chainsaw and goes out to kill Zombie Threads.
Come get some...
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