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Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:04:00 - [181] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:01:16 Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other with the same name but with a numbering sceme appended to each name, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return. I never stated they did because but again that is NOT PROOF everything you have said is meerly suspiscion of you have no actual PROOF and you arent going to unless you can actualy track them selling isk to someone which you basicaly cant so everythign you are doing is pointless and just a waste of fricking time that could be being used by CCP to actualy investigate the situation.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:08:00 - [182] Originally by: Mia Archer I never stated they did, but again that is NOT PROOF everything you have said is meerly suspiscion of you have no actual PROOF and you arent going to unless you can actualy track them selling isk to someone which you basicaly cant so everythign you are doing is pointless and just a waste of fricking time that could be being used by CCP to actualy investigate the situation. Well stop wasting your time posting here then.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:09:00 - [183] Originally by: voogru Opening Post In other words, you've found evidence that someone is ISK farming - IAC is not supporting that. They just get ISK from those farmers, for telling them to go farm in territory that isn't theirs - That ISK is 1 billion that DOESN'T end up in their hands! It's ISK the farmers are giving away for free, losing them at leaast a bit of profit, all because IAC is feasting on their ignorance. Funniest bit would be if BoB would have those farmers pay for their right to farm in IAC space, paying double for getting shot at every opportunity doesn't seem that bad i'd say. Anyone who thinks IAC is supporting ISK farming with this should really have their head checked out, and draw conclusions from the situation - What Voogru is doing is drawing conclusions from assumptions. EVE History Wiki
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:11:00 - [184] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:11:07 Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: voogru Opening Post In other words, you've found evidence that someone is ISK farming - IAC is not supporting that. They just get ISK from those farmers, for telling them to go farm in territory that isn't theirs - That ISK is 1 billion that DOESN'T end up in their hands! It's ISK the farmers are giving away for free, losing them at leaast a bit of profit, all because IAC is feasting on their ignorance. Funniest bit would be if BoB would have those farmers pay for their right to farm in IAC space, paying double for getting shot at every opportunity doesn't seem that bad i'd say. Anyone who thinks IAC is supporting ISK farming with this should really have their head checked out, and draw conclusions from the situation - What Voogru is doing is drawing conclusions from assumptions. But buesrew is flying under the IAC flag. IAC refuses to boot them out of the alliance (even though IAC says they shoot them down), they don't need to be in IAC to wire free ISK to IAC. IAC leadership refuses to help get them banned for ISK farming/selling/whatever. Why? Oh yeah. Free ISK.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:14:00 - [185] IAC had a few ISK farmers, BOB had a few guys banned for macro mining, who cares. If the past few months of drama should have taught people anything, it's that judging a large amount of people off the actions of a few is stupid. There isn't a single person here that can guarantee that their alliance doesn't contain cheaters of some sort. Get over it.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:15:00 - [186] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate There isn't a single person here that can guarantee that their alliance doesn't contain cheaters of some sort. Get over it. Nope. But when evil doers are spotted, they can either be ignored or dealt with.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:17:00 - [187] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate There isn't a single person here that can guarantee that their alliance doesn't contain cheaters of some sort. Get over it. Nope. But when evil doers are spotted, they can either be ignored or dealt with. Did you make a similar thread when the macro miners from BOB got caught?
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:17:00 - [188] I guess what you're trying to say is that you'll post about it when it suits your political goal.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:21:00 - [189] Originally by: Mia Archer Edited by: Mia Archer on 30/06/2007 02:03:47 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:01:16 Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other with the same name but with a numbering sceme appended to each name, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return. I never stated they did, but again that is NOT PROOF everything you have said is meerly suspiscion of you have no actual PROOF and you arent going to unless you can actualy track them selling isk to someone which you basicaly cant so everythign you are doing is pointless and just a waste of fricking time that could be being used by CCP to actualy investigate the situation. At the end of the day, Yide123, Yide124, Yide125, Yide126 etc etc of Yide Corp may very well be genuine players who play eve simply to shoot npc rats 23/7, seven days a week for nothing in return. They must love ratting so much, that they even donate all thei rgames back to their boss. Nobody can really prove any isk selling is going on, but it certainly falls into suspicios activity. Granted, nobody is going to say, for example, KIAeddez, of KIA corp of KIA alliance is not a isk farmer, because it is obvious what those guys do. At the end of the day, all we can do is inform ccp of strange behavior and see what they can do about it. Then Pull out your ship and blow them up. -- Billion Isk Mission
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:21:00 - [190] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:23:27 Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Did you make a similar thread when the macro miners from BOB got caught? I was unaware of the situation. Link. Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate I guess what you're trying to say is that you'll post about it when it suits your political goal. Do I look like I'm in an alliance to you?
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:29:00 - [191] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:23:27 Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Did you make a similar thread when the macro miners from BOB got caught? I was unaware of the situation. Link. Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate I guess what you're trying to say is that you'll post about it when it suits your political goal. Do I look like I'm in an alliance to you? 1. I don't think it's actually on EVE-O. There are several other situations on EVE-O though, Dia admitting direct contact with CCP staff, the T20 incident etc. (again, actions of few that define an alliance) 2. You look like you have a political motive. All alliances have skeletons in the closet. If you think someone is cheating, report it to CCP and they will take care of it. Who cares if there were a few people did something wrong, don't blame an entire alliance. Same goes for Goonswarm, BOB, MM etc.
Mud Pandemonium Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:30:00 - [192] Stoffer, don't bother. He's just trying to act as if he's the Hero of EVE, a self-righteous fool with nothing better to do than to stick his nose in where it does not belong, he chose to defame an entire alliance rather than go about this with any sort of tact. This is nothing more than senseless posturing and utter tripe. He's just trying to gain himself some e-fame by championing a cause over which he has no authority whatsoever. I think what he fails to realize is that these ISK farmers will exist even if they did not fly under our banner. We do not support them in a military sense, they get no protection from us and no assistance, all we do is tax them to NPC in another alliances space. I cannot begin to fathom how ignorant he must be to think that we offer them any support. We're preying upon their ignorance, nothing more. Voogru, repeat this to yourself as many times as you need to until it sinks in. IAC does not offer support of any kind to ISK farmers, we simply tax them for NPCing in another region. We do not protect them, we do not help them. They are on their own. The only thing we offer them is a chance to pay us billions because they think we're helping them. Go back to Crime and Punishment and make posts about how Empire space should be safer and that all evil doing citizens of 0.0 must be punished. We had our words, a common spat. So I kissed him upside the cranium with an aluminum baseball bat. My name is Mud.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:30:00 - [193] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:31:15 Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate 1. I don't think it's actually on EVE-O. There are several other situations on EVE-O though, Dia admitting direct contact with CCP staff, the T20 incident etc. (again, actions of few that define an alliance) Those have nothing to do with farming or ISK selling. Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate 2. You look like you have a political motive. All alliances have skeletons in the closet. If you think someone is cheating, report it to CCP and they will take care of it. Who cares if there were a few people did something wrong, don't blame an entire alliance. Same goes for Goonswarm, BOB, MM etc. Yes I do. beusrew removed from IAC. Quote: IAC does not offer support of any kind to ISK farmers, we simply tax them for NPCing in another region. We do not protect them, we do not help them. They are on their own. The only thing we offer them is a chance to pay us billions because they think we're helping them. They fly under the IAC flag. Get rid of that and everythings ****** dory and I don't even care IAC still gets paid.
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:31:00 - [194] Quote: Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate I guess what you're trying to say is that you'll post about it when it suits your political goal. Do I look like I'm in an alliance to you? Doesnt really mean you dont have political goals
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:32:00 - [195] Edited by: Mia Archer on 30/06/2007 02:30:42 Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Mia Archer Edited by: Mia Archer on 30/06/2007 02:03:47 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:01:16 Originally by: Mia Archer None of your responses took you any closer to PROVING that they are isk sellers Yeah, because the average EVE player has 10 alts born minutes apart from each other with the same name but with a numbering sceme appended to each name, is online 23 hours a day, purposly sends his isk away to random people every day for nothing in return. I never stated they did, but again that is NOT PROOF everything you have said is meerly suspiscion of you have no actual PROOF and you arent going to unless you can actualy track them selling isk to someone which you basicaly cant so everythign you are doing is pointless and just a waste of fricking time that could be being used by CCP to actualy investigate the situation. At the end of the day, Yide123, Yide124, Yide125, Yide126 etc etc of Yide Corp may very well be genuine players who play eve simply to shoot npc rats 23/7, seven days a week for nothing in return. They must love ratting so much, that they even donate all thei rgames back to their boss. Nobody can really prove any isk selling is going on, but it certainly falls into suspicios activity. Granted, nobody is going to say, for example, KIAeddez, of KIA corp of KIA alliance is not a isk farmer, because it is obvious what those guys do. At the end of the day, all we can do is inform ccp of strange behavior and see what they can do about it. Then Pull out your ship and blow them up. exactly so as ive said before STFU stop whining and petition it
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:32:00 - [196] So, who registered voogru1.. voogru2.. voogru3? Come on, own up.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:34:00 - [197] Originally by: Morris Falter So, who registered voogru1.. voogru2.. voogru3? Come on, own up. Even if somebody did they wouldnt have the same birthdate as me. Usually characters with number schemes are born minutes apart.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:37:00 - [198] Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 30/06/2007 02:37:58 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:35:15 Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:31:15 Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate 1. I don't think it's actually on EVE-O. There are several other situations on EVE-O though, Dia admitting direct contact with CCP staff, the T20 incident etc. (again, actions of few that define an alliance) Those have nothing to do with farming or ISK selling. Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate 2. You look like you have a political motive. All alliances have skeletons in the closet. If you think someone is cheating, report it to CCP and they will take care of it. Who cares if there were a few people did something wrong, don't blame an entire alliance. Same goes for Goonswarm, BOB, MM etc. Yes I do. beusrew removed from IAC. Quote: IAC does not offer support of any kind to ISK farmers, we simply tax them for NPCing in another region. We do not protect them, we do not help them. They are on their own. The only thing we offer them is a chance to pay us billions because they think we're helping them. They fly under the IAC flag. Get rid of that and everythings honkey dory and I don't even care IAC still gets paid. Edit: Well EVE-O is working well tonight. Deleted my post. 1. All those situations are much more serious than isk selling. But again, those situations don't mean that all of BOB are cheating, just as a few isk sellers don't make all of iac cheaters. 2. Again, if there is a problem, report it to CCP. You're not doing this because you care, you're doing it because you like attention and want to talk trash. 3. See 2.
Panconomis Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:39:00 - [199] Wouldn't beusrew have to be living in IAC space under IAC protection in order for us to be harboring them? n sx has been overly generous and offered you what you wanted, Voogru (who are you again?) yet you continue to bad mouth IAC. I see now what your true motive is. Thanks for wasting our time.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:44:00 - [200] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:43:27 Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate 2. Again, if there is a problem, report it to CCP. You're not doing this because you care, you're doing it because you like attention and want to talk trash. 3. See 2. Yeah, a full member list of beusrew or whatever would be great, but nooo. Originally by: Panconomis Wouldn't beusrew have to be living in IAC space under IAC protection in order for us to be harboring them? n sx has been overly generous and offered you what you wanted, Voogru (who are you again?) yet you continue to bad mouth IAC. I see now what your true motive is. Thanks for wasting our time. n sx is the one IAC member that actually makes sense and he has given me some useful information to help me. It's not a complete list but it's some information I didn't previously have. So this thread has actually helped me in my effort and has not been a waste of time for me. If it's a waste of time for you, then don't post.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:45:00 - [201] To review voogru... Either a) You are unfairly attacking people for being Chinese and playing differently than you (although frankly, you can't really criticize their playstyle when your own playstyle--witch hunting on Eve-O--is so unusual) or b) You are attacking people who are living in poverty and trying to feed their families, just so you can get some meaningless e-point across Not really sure which one makes you look worse, tbh. P.S. This is my main, so feel free to respond. If you have the guts. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:46:00 - [202] c) he's a gigantic attention***** with a political goal.
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:47:00 - [203] This all just an attempt to get IAC on the lead news item on EvE-TV. Lollerskates?
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:47:00 - [204] Voogru is actually totally correct in almost everything he has stated in the thread. Does IAC harbor isk farmers in Delve? Yes Does IAC refuse to fix a blatant violation of EULA? No Can voogru force IAC to do anything? No Can CCP force IAC to do something? Probably How does voogru force CCP's hand in the matter? Making a threadnought which brings the problem to the public. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:48:00 - [205] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:49:09 Originally by: James 315 To review voogru... Either a) You are unfairly attacking people for being Chinese and playing differently than you (although frankly, you can't really criticize their playstyle when your own playstyle--witch hunting on Eve-O--is so unusual) or b) You are attacking people who are living in poverty and trying to feed their families, just so you can get some meaningless e-point across Not really sure which one makes you look worse, tbh. P.S. This is my main, so feel free to respond. If you have the guts. 1. I have not said the word "Chinese" in any of my posts. I refer to them as ISK sellers/farmers. The only person guilty of calling them chinese is an IAC leader. Not me. And I have busted people of all races and all geographic locations, even people I knew. 2. This has nothing to do with it, These people are profiting off of something that the game developer says is not allowed. There are other games that they can go farm in legally but the problem with those games is the playing field is level and there is no profit in it. And by the way, witch hunting farmers in EVE is probably the most profitable profession if you do it right.
Wanux Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:49:00 - [206] Originally by: Lithalnas Can CCP force IAC to do something? Probably Incorrect. EULA Violations are CCP banning a person or people via their accounts. Never to my knowledge has CCP forced an in-game alliance to take any action on its members because they violated the EULA. They simply ban accounts.
Mestor Riklar Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:50:00 - [207] CCP can get their memberlist in 10 seconds, please just get on with the petitioning and stop wasting everyones time.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:54:00 - [208] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 02:53:13 Originally by: Mestor Riklar CCP can get their memberlist in 10 seconds, please just get on with the petitioning and stop wasting everyones time. Problem is they have to start from scratch. If I find everything myself and just petition it I just did a lot of the work for them. Which is why I wanted a member list. This results in the situation being solved quicker and my petition isnt open as long. If you make a lot of petitions you'll notice you can only have 1 active petition for each group at a time. And, this thread has yielded me member information, not complete, but it's helped. So anyone saying it's a waste of time is simply wrong.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:54:00 - [209] Originally by: Lithalnas How does voogru force CCP's hand in the matter? Making a threadnought which brings the problem to the public.[/quote This isn't a threadnaught you horrible simpleton.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.30 02:58:00 - [210] Originally by: voogru And I have busted people of all races and all geographic locations, even people I knew. 2. This has nothing to do with it, These people are profiting off of something that the game developer says is not allowed. There are other games that they can go farm in legally but the problem with those games is the playing field is level and there is no profit in it. So if you do your self-appointed job right, a poverty-stricken family can go hungry tonight, and you don't care because all that matters is the rules. I think I hit the nail on the head from the start--Inspector Javert. These are dark days, my friends. Dark days. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.

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