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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:43:00 - [91] Originally by: voogru So your admitting that they probably exist to sell ISK to pay for their food? Thanks. I don't care, Stealing a loaf of bread, as it were. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Tenebron Originally by: Duke Grail If you think they are breaking the EULA by selling isk, file a petition, Posting on this forum does nothing. if not.. STFU and get a life. This thread is useless. IAC trying to derail the thread to save face 4tl... This topic is about farming isk TO SALE FOR RL CASH. Stop pretending you cant understand that and try to spin it. and the evidence to support this is?? oh yea... non existent. If they are found to be guilty CCP can ban and remove them. Enforcement of the EULA is CCP's job not yours, period. They have the logs and files to pursue any action necessary. IAC isnt 'stonewalling' you. You are no one and nothing, and will never be given ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANY IAC CORP FOR ANY REASON. If TT decides to honor you with his time its up to him, but seriously why would he? who are you? whytf are you wasting your time and ours? File your petition if your evidence is so compelling. Proof or STFU as always. to be perfectly honest I cant believe the forum mods havent locked this, as EULA issues are not supposed to be discusses here per forum rules? In addition, how many thus far baseless accusations of cheating have been made in what 4 pages now?? and people wonder why ISD is regularly accused of moderation bais?? *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:46:00 - [93] Originally by: Hunin Personally I think CCP tolerates these ISK sellers. If CCP wanted to, they would buy a bit of ISK from these businesses you say are all over the internet and find out how the businesses sell the ISK. They would then data mine their databases looking for similar patterns and ban them. Then rinse and repeat if the sellers change methods. It is sort of like drug busting here in the US but in the virtual world. Looks like CCP isnt all that clever. On the other side, they bann some here and there to make us feel they are doing something. But behind the scenes they rub their hands cuz they make a buttload of money off them with the account fees. Ship lovers click here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:46:00 - [94] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 22:48:14 Originally by: Hunin Personally I think CCP tolerates these ISK sellers. If CCP wanted to, they would buy a bit of ISK from these businesses you say are all over the internet and find out how the businesses sell the ISK. They would then data mine their databases looking for similar patterns and ban them. Then rinse and repeat if the sellers change methods. It is sort of like drug busting here in the US but in the virtual world. I think voogru is mad CCP tolerates ISK sellers. I think he is mad CCP hasn't done enough to stop ISK sellers and is trying to find his own solution. Unfortunately trying to stop a legitimate practice of ISK farming and saying it always goes to ISK sellers is wrong. It is the same as the RIAA saying because music was downloaded to this IP which may at one time been assigned to your computer, you are guilty of copyright infringement. Sorry but your just wrong again. Look up SOSADQQ, look up his contracts. He used to be online 23/7. I petitioned him with a fair amount of evidence and links all over. The next day, his little icon was red. It has not been green since. CCP does care, and when given enough information they act. Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Hunin Personally I think CCP tolerates these ISK sellers. If CCP wanted to, they would buy a bit of ISK from these businesses you say are all over the internet and find out how the businesses sell the ISK. They would then data mine their databases looking for similar patterns and ban them. Then rinse and repeat if the sellers change methods. It is sort of like drug busting here in the US but in the virtual world. Looks like CCP isnt all that clever. On the other side, they bann some here and there to make us feel they are doing something. But behind the scenes they rub their hands cuz they make a buttload of money off them with the account fees. Again, CCP cares. But farmers outnumber CCP 1000 to 1.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:47:00 - [95] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 29/06/2007 22:47:39 CCP does not ban isk farmers, they are paying monthly fees Do you SERIOUSLY believe that a GM or a dev (with all their clearances and tools) can't do a proper investigation just as you did here being a simple member? Give me a break. For a GM it's a case of spending like TOPS 1h on it. Can't say I blame them though, you don't care about the money flow as long as it is legit ^_^ EDIT: I have a convo with a chinese isk farmer confirming he is actually selling isk for real life money... Petition still open(1 week+) and I'm still waiting for it to be closed ^_^ - BH
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:48:00 - [96] Originally by: Orange Species Beware the buesrew cloaked boats of innocence! killboard links are not allowed buddy :( - BH
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:50:00 - [97] /emote gets his troll bat. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Hunin Minmatar EVE Empowerment League Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:51:00 - [98] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Hunin Personally I think CCP tolerates these ISK sellers. If CCP wanted to, they would buy a bit of ISK from these businesses you say are all over the internet and find out how the businesses sell the ISK. They would then data mine their databases looking for similar patterns and ban them. Then rinse and repeat if the sellers change methods. It is sort of like drug busting here in the US but in the virtual world. I think voogru is mad CCP tolerates ISK sellers. I think he is mad CCP hasn't done enough to stop ISK sellers and is trying to find his own solution. Unfortunately trying to stop a legitimate practice of ISK farming and saying it always goes to ISK sellers is wrong. It is the same as the RIAA saying because music was downloaded to this IP which may at one time been assigned to your computer, you are guilty of copyright infringement. Sorry but your just wrong again. Look up SOSADQQ, look up his contracts. He used to be online 23/7. I petitioned him with a fair amount of evidence and links all over. The next day, his little icon was red. It has not been green since. CCP does care, and when given enough information they act. This is exactly my point. CCP is passively enforcing the EULA. CCP does not actively enforce it with regards to ISK selling. You had to point out a very obvious ISK seller and when CCP looked in to it, they banned SOSADQQ. However CCP doesn't actively monitor contracts or any other internal methods to figure out ISK sellers.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:51:00 - [99] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 22:51:40 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Do you SERIOUSLY believe that a GM or a dev (with all their clearances and tools) can't do a proper investigation just as you did here being a simple member? Give me a break. For a GM it's a case of spending like TOPS 1h on it. Can't say I blame them though, you don't care about the money flow as long as it is legit ^_^ EDIT: I have a convo with a chinese isk farmer confirming he is actually selling isk for real life money... Petition still open(1 week+) and I'm still waiting for it to be closed ^_^ They don't have the time to investigate everything, and about your petition, does it consist of just "OMG THIS PLAYER TOLD ME HES AN ISK SELLER?" Then that's expected. Originally by: Hunin This is exactly my point. CCP is passively enforcing the EULA. CCP does not actively enforce it with regards to ISK selling. You had to point out a very obvious ISK seller and when CCP looked in to it, they banned SOSADQQ. However CCP doesn't actively monitor contracts or any other internal methods to figure out ISK sellers. No, when they are given so much information to where the GM just has to confirm it, they act.
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:55:00 - [100] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Orange Species Beware the buesrew cloaked boats of innocence! killboard links are not allowed buddy :( nor are sweatshop isk sellers, but meh.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:56:00 - [101] I asked this question once, and I believe it could be relevant here. Quote: "Would I be considered an accessory to the EULA violation if I were to ransom a macro miner / isk farmer to leave them be?" "Yup" "What if I didn't honour the ransom?" "That's different..." So, do you honour your agreement IAC? Surely by allowing them into your alliance - as if giving positive standings wouldn't have been bad enough - shows that you do indeed condone their actions, and that if indeed there is a breach of the EULA here, you would be an accessory to it.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:57:00 - [102] Originally by: Cedric Diggory I asked this question once, and I believe it could be relevant here. Quote: "Would I be considered an accessory to the EULA violation if I were to ransom a macro miner / isk farmer to leave them be?" "Yup" "What if I didn't honour the ransom?" "That's different..." So, do you honour your agreement IAC? Surely by allowing them into your alliance - as if giving positive standings wouldn't have been bad enough - shows that you do indeed condone their actions, and that if indeed there is a breach of the EULA here, you would be an accessory to it. Ooohh... who did you ask this?
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Orange Species Beware the buesrew cloaked boats of innocence! The horror...the indiscriminant boat violence!
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.29 22:58:00 - [104] Originally by: Cedric Diggory I asked this question once, and I believe it could be relevant here. Quote: "Would I be considered an accessory to the EULA violation if I were to ransom a macro miner / isk farmer to leave them be?" "Yup" "What if I didn't honour the ransom?" "That's different..." So, do you honour your agreement IAC? Surely by allowing them into your alliance - as if giving positive standings wouldn't have been bad enough - shows that you do indeed condone their actions, and that if indeed there is a breach of the EULA here, you would be an accessory to it. If the GMs do find evidence that hose are ISK sellers, then I wonder what they do to IAC cuz they admitted to know what they possibly could be. Ship lovers click here
Serilla The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:00:00 - [105] Everyone farms isk to pvp, build things, buy fancy trinkets, etc. If you think they are then taking the isk and selling it for $$$ then petition it. You say you don't want to just put in a petition with "I think x is selling isk," you have these contracts that to you shout isk laundering so give that in with your petition and let CCP deal with it. They have the tools to look at things like member lists, wallet transactions, etc so let them deal with it. __________________
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:01:00 - [106] It's quite obvious that buesrew is an ISK farming corp, or in the least employs ISK farmers. If you can't tell by all the ravens they're losing and what they have fitted plus all the contracts for stupidly priced items, you're either naive as hell or have too much pride to admit you're wrong. It also doesn't matter on the fact of how CCP handles the issue. The key point is that if these people are farming with the intent of selling, CCP encourages people to report them. Just the same with exploiters and abusers. CCP can't watch everyone all the time and they rely a lot on the player base to report people. CCP is a company filled with people like you and I and they're not omnipotent. They may have all the tools to do the job, but finding whom to direct their attention on is the problem they face. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:03:00 - [107] On a related note, anyone have the chatlog of sirmolle throwing a hissyfit when he found out an isk farmer corp BoB was renting space to was in the wrong constellation? The farmer was trying to talk in broken babelfish-translated english and molle was going through the whole "Do you know who I am!" routine. It was great, but I forgot to save it.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:03:00 - [108] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:02:54 Originally by: Grim Faust It's quite obvious that buesrew is an ISK farming corp, or in the least employs ISK farmers. If you can't tell by all the ravens they're losing and what they have fitted plus all the contracts for stupidly priced items, you're either naive as hell or have too much pride to admit you're wrong. It also doesn't matter on the fact of how CCP handles the issue. The key point is that if these people are farming with the intent of selling, CCP encourages people to report them. Just the same with exploiters and abusers. CCP can't watch everyone all the time and they rely a lot on the player base to report people. CCP is a company filled with people like you and I and they're not omnipotent. They may have all the tools to do the job, but finding whom to direct their attention on is the problem they face. Thanks, I wish there were more people like you.
Helganstandt InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:11:00 - [109] Edited by: Helganstandt on 29/06/2007 23:13:46 Could we please make a distinction between isk farming and isk selling? Everyone farms at one point or another. Ever sit in a single system for a couple hours ratting? Yeah, that's isk farming. Ever ran a complex all day? Guess what, you're an isk farmer. Ran missions until you couldn't stand it anymore? Congratulations! You farmed isk! I don't know why the two names became synonymous with each other, but it's really annoying. Anyway, back to your regular scheduled programming. Also, voogru, while your efforts are admirable, no one is going to care in the long run. As long as you're cool with that, by all means continue. But you might want to take a deep breath man, you sound like you're getting a little too stressed out about this for your own good. Just some friendly advice. Edit: I should say MOST people won't care. For all I know you convinced some people that IAC are bad bad men that ruin the game.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:12:00 - [110] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 29/06/2007 23:10:58 Originally by: Orange Species Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Orange Species Beware the buesrew cloaked boats of innocence! killboard links are not allowed buddy :( nor are sweatshop isk sellers, but meh. lol made my... erm... night EDIT my wife woke up jesus christ - BH
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:13:00 - [111] Originally by: torN Deception On a related note, anyone have the chatlog of sirmolle throwing a hissyfit when he found out an isk farmer corp BoB was renting space to was in the wrong constellation? The farmer was trying to talk in broken babelfish-translated english and molle was going through the whole "Do you know who I am!" routine. It was great, but I forgot to save it. No problem. [16:57:16] RachelLI > . [16:57:20] Shrike > What are you doing in delve? [16:57:22] RachelLI > hello [16:58:03] RachelLI > i'm in RF-K9W [16:58:11] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve? [16:58:24] RachelLI > ratting [16:58:49] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain. [16:59:59] RachelLI > i see here no factions and alliances [17:00:19] Shrike > HORDE are not allowed to NPC in Delve. [17:00:42] Shrike > You are allowed to TRAVEL only. [17:01:16] Shrike > No mining, no npc, no plex, no exploration, no agents, nothing, TRAVEL only. [17:01:30] Shrike > Leave now. [17:02:27] RachelLI > hey i'm not in u place [17:02:44] RachelLI > u can see map [17:03:56] Shrike > RF-K9 is DELVE. [17:04:17] Shrike > What part of LEAVE dont you understand? [17:04:20] RachelLI > but here not belong any faction [17:04:59] Shrike > DELVE is BOB space. FOUNTAIN i s BOB Space. You live here under OUR rules. [17:05:50] Shrike > This is not a discussion. Leave. [17:07:55] RachelLI > i know the rules.but i think u disunderstand the rules [17:08:10] Shrike > I MAKE THE RULES. [17:09:04] RachelLI > u?lol make a funny [17:09:48] Shrike > k, thats it [17:10:05] Shrike > The Horde will no longer be allowed in Delve nor fountain [17:11:43] RachelLI > as u wish.u can do anything!! [after] (unbearable flaming censored) ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:15:00 - [112] Originally by: Helganstandt Could we please make a distinction between isk farming and isk selling? Everyone farms at one point or another. Ever sit in a single system for a couple hours ratting? Yeah, that's isk farming. Ever ran a complex all day? Guess what, you're an isk farmer. Ran missions until you couldn't stand it anymore? Congratulations! You farmed isk! I don't know why the two names became synonymous with each other, but it's really annoying. Anyway, back to your regular scheduled programming. Also, voogru, while your efforts are admirable, no one is going to care in the long run. As long as you're cool with that, by all means continue. But you might want to take a deep breath man, you sound like you're getting a little too stressed out about this for your own good. Just some friendly advice. Every time I say ISK Farming, I am using it as a term for "Generating ISK For the purpose of RMT (real money trading)" As far as saying no one cares, people do care. Just not those who are benefiting from it and don't want to admit they are in the wrong for doing it. When people see the ISK spammers in the game hour after hour, people begin to care. People who farm isk for RMT are what supply the ISK spammers, if you try to destroy the RMT farmers they will have less ISK to sell, and that probably means less ISK spammers.
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:16:00 - [113] Originally by: James 315 Originally by: torN Deception On a related note, anyone have the chatlog of sirmolle throwing a hissyfit when he found out an isk farmer corp BoB was renting space to was in the wrong constellation? The farmer was trying to talk in broken babelfish-translated english and molle was going through the whole "Do you know who I am!" routine. It was great, but I forgot to save it. No problem. [16:57:16] RachelLI > . [16:57:20] Shrike > What are you doing in delve? [16:57:22] RachelLI > hello [16:58:03] RachelLI > i'm in RF-K9W [16:58:11] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve? [16:58:24] RachelLI > ratting [16:58:49] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain. [16:59:59] RachelLI > i see here no factions and alliances [17:00:19] Shrike > HORDE are not allowed to NPC in Delve. [17:00:42] Shrike > You are allowed to TRAVEL only. [17:01:16] Shrike > No mining, no npc, no plex, no exploration, no agents, nothing, TRAVEL only. [17:01:30] Shrike > Leave now. [17:02:27] RachelLI > hey i'm not in u place [17:02:44] RachelLI > u can see map [17:03:56] Shrike > RF-K9 is DELVE. [17:04:17] Shrike > What part of LEAVE dont you understand? [17:04:20] RachelLI > but here not belong any faction [17:04:59] Shrike > DELVE is BOB space. FOUNTAIN i s BOB Space. You live here under OUR rules. [17:05:50] Shrike > This is not a discussion. Leave. [17:07:55] RachelLI > i know the rules.but i think u disunderstand the rules [17:08:10] Shrike > I MAKE THE RULES. [17:09:04] RachelLI > u?lol make a funny [17:09:48] Shrike > k, thats it [17:10:05] Shrike > The Horde will no longer be allowed in Delve nor fountain [17:11:43] RachelLI > as u wish.u can do anything!! [after] (unbearable flaming censored) ROFL I can't stop laughing...oh god my sides hurt. Who's Shrike anyway? Tonight's the night the world begins again...
Dal Thrax Nova Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:17:00 - [114] Well I think Tyraxx should take another look at this if he's helping protect macros is empire. On the other hand if somebody offered you 1B to rat in Delve what would you do? (BoB and Pets excluded of course). Dal Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:17:00 - [115] Originally by: James 315 Originally by: torN Deception On a related note, anyone have the chatlog of sirmolle throwing a hissyfit when he found out an isk farmer corp BoB was renting space to was in the wrong constellation? The farmer was trying to talk in broken babelfish-translated english and molle was going through the whole "Do you know who I am!" routine. It was great, but I forgot to save it. No problem. [16:57:16] RachelLI > . [16:57:20] Shrike > What are you doing in delve? [16:57:22] RachelLI > hello [16:58:03] RachelLI > i'm in RF-K9W [16:58:11] Shrike > WHAT are you doing in Delve? [16:58:24] RachelLI > ratting [16:58:49] Shrike > You have exactly 5 seconds to leave and go back to Fountain. [16:59:59] RachelLI > i see here no factions and alliances [17:00:19] Shrike > HORDE are not allowed to NPC in Delve. [17:00:42] Shrike > You are allowed to TRAVEL only. [17:01:16] Shrike > No mining, no npc, no plex, no exploration, no agents, nothing, TRAVEL only. [17:01:30] Shrike > Leave now. [17:02:27] RachelLI > hey i'm not in u place [17:02:44] RachelLI > u can see map [17:03:56] Shrike > RF-K9 is DELVE. [17:04:17] Shrike > What part of LEAVE dont you understand? [17:04:20] RachelLI > but here not belong any faction [17:04:59] Shrike > DELVE is BOB space. FOUNTAIN i s BOB Space. You live here under OUR rules. [17:05:50] Shrike > This is not a discussion. Leave. [17:07:55] RachelLI > i know the rules.but i think u disunderstand the rules [17:08:10] Shrike > I MAKE THE RULES. [17:09:04] RachelLI > u?lol make a funny [17:09:48] Shrike > k, thats it [17:10:05] Shrike > The Horde will no longer be allowed in Delve nor fountain [17:11:43] RachelLI > as u wish.u can do anything!! [after] (unbearable flaming censored) lol Molle got pwned there - BH
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:17:00 - [116] Edited by: sartorii on 29/06/2007 23:19:19 Edited by: sartorii on 29/06/2007 23:18:03 Edited by: sartorii on 29/06/2007 23:16:24 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:05:10 Originally by: Grim Faust It's quite obvious that buesrew is an ISK farming corp, or in the least employs ISK farmers. If you can't tell by all the ravens they're losing and what they have fitted plus all the contracts for stupidly priced items, you're either naive as hell or have too much pride to admit you're wrong. It also doesn't matter on the fact of how CCP handles the issue. The key point is that IF these people are farming with the intent of selling, CCP encourages people to report them. isk FARMING is perfectly legal. You've made allot of accusations of cheating, but provided no evidence thus far of isk SELLING. Nor is this to place to do so if you had it. really Mods how long do you allow such? 5 pages now apparently *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:18:00 - [117] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:18:43 Originally by: Dal Thrax Well I think Tyraxx should take another look at this if he's helping protect macros is empire. On the other hand if somebody offered you 1B to rat in Delve what would you do? (BoB and Pets excluded of course). Dal What would I do? I'd take their ISK and then use it to hire people to go constantly kill them. Originally by: sartorii isk FARMING is perfectly legal. You've made alot of accusations of cheating, but provided no evidence of isk SELLING. really Mods how long do you allow such? Nobody can provide 100% proof of ISK selling. The stupidly high prices contracts are a hint though. Example A really big hint.
Cruthensis Gallente Caldari Macrominer Waste Management	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:18:00 - [118] Originally by: voogru No, when they are given so much information to where the GM just has to confirm it, they act. I think that's kind of what he meant - they aren't seen to be very proactive. We could be cynical and suggest that CCP only act on cases like yours, because if they didn't (after you've done the legwork) it would be very bad PR. I think it's somewhere in between myself. As you say - the ISK farming 'community' is a large: in the nearest 10 systems to me, they are 30 or so players who are online whenever I care to logon and play or swap training skill. 8am - online and mining, 4pm - online and mining, 11pm - online and mining (explain away...). The upshot being, it's becoming a big leaky dam and CCP have only so many fingers.
Helganstandt InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:21:00 - [119] Originally by: voogru As far as saying no one cares, people do care. Just not those who are benefiting from it and don't want to admit they are in the wrong for doing it. When people see the ISK spammers in the game hour after hour, people begin to care. People who farm isk for RMT are what supply the ISK spammers, if you try to destroy the RMT farmers they will have less ISK to sell, and that probably means less ISK spammers. And the more people whining about ISK spammers/farmers/sellers/buyers the more likely CCP will take some more active approaches in fighting them. In my experience, it's a passing phase. If anyone cares, they don't do anything about it. It's a game, people won't put that much effort into it. You obviously believe otherwise, so whatever I guess. It's not really something you can argue either way. I was just some friendly advice not to take it so seriously, because a game isn't worth stressing out over.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:22:00 - [120] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:18:43 Originally by: Dal Thrax Well I think Tyraxx should take another look at this if he's helping protect macros is empire. On the other hand if somebody offered you 1B to rat in Delve what would you do? (BoB and Pets excluded of course). Dal What would I do? I'd take their ISK and then use it to hire people to go constantly kill them. Originally by: sartorii isk FARMING is perfectly legal. You've made alot of accusations of cheating, but provided no evidence of isk SELLING. really Mods how long do you allow such? Nobody can provide 100% proof of ISK selling. The stupidly high prices contracts are a hint though. Example A really big hint. CCP can.. maybe you should apply for a job.. until then STFU you've got nothing that even qualifies as 'evidence' there. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*

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