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voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:23:00 - [121] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:22:35 Originally by: Helganstandt I was just some friendly advice not to take it so seriously, because a game isn't worth stressing out over. You underestimate how much I love EVE. Originally by: sartorii CCP can.. maybe you should apply for a job.. until then STFU you've got nothing that even qualifies as 'evidence' there. I'd have to move to iceland to access a website... kinda silly
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:25:00 - [122] There is No farming Isk corporations in Eve. Its only a mad illusion create by drama writter peoples who are bored in their personal life and stay dock all time by seeking unreal conspiration or totally create its themself... and lost times to post this in Eve online forum. But nothing of this its true... LIke the Lag. The many game exploits. Logoski tactic. The Jovian supremacy. BOB... And the fact that Eve is only a video game. so....STFU I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:25:00 - [123] So basicaly the entire point of this thread is your too lazy to go look at killboards to get a member list yourself so we are stonewalling you? God knows its not like we have anything more important to do than spend time getting a list of members of a 70 man corp because 1 person asked for it... ya know like... fighting a huge multi alliance war... or anything like that...
Tony Benn Dawn of War	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:28:00 - [124] Originally by: Cedric Diggory I asked this question once, and I believe it could be relevant here. Quote: "Would I be considered an accessory to the EULA violation if I were to ransom a macro miner / isk farmer to leave them be?" "Yup" "What if I didn't honour the ransom?" "That's different..." So, do you honour your agreement IAC? Surely by allowing them into your alliance - as if giving positive standings wouldn't have been bad enough - shows that you do indeed condone their actions, and that if indeed there is a breach of the EULA here, you would be an accessory to it. The IAC contingent seem to be very keen to say STFU to this thread, which is understandable. Would they like to refute what's said in the above quote? If this (both the above post and the accusations of harboring ISK Launderers) is true, then the writing is on the wall... As for why this thread has made 5 pages without a lock, perhaps it's because CCP are giving you an opportunity here to "come clean"!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:32:00 - [125] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:31:34 Originally by: Mia Archer So basicaly the entire point of this thread is your too lazy to go look at killboards to get a member list yourself so we are stonewalling you? God knows its not like we have anything more important to do than spend time getting a list of members of a 70 man corp because 1 person asked for it... ya know like... fighting a huge multi alliance war... or anything like that... The information on the killboard is incomplete. Originally by: Tony Benn As for why this thread has made 5 pages without a lock, perhaps it's because CCP are giving you an opportunity here to "come clean"! Actually it's probably 5 pages because I'm not throwing baseless attacks or acusations or flaming people.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:33:00 - [126] Interesting thread and some of the IAC statements I read were quite amusing. They aren't 'isk farmers' they are 'isk sellers', trying to compare the isk making of people playing the game vrs people trying to live off it was very funny. Still while I applaud voogru for his efforts, I have to wonder where the heck CCP is in all this. Such transactions should be very easy to track and farmers easy to ban. If a player can find this stuff out, why are they still there?
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:33:00 - [127] Originally by: Mia Archer So basicaly the entire point of this thread is your too lazy to go look at killboards to get a member list yourself so we are stonewalling you? God knows its not like we have anything more important to do than spend time getting a list of members of a 70 man corp because 1 person asked for it... ya know like... fighting a huge multi alliance war... or anything like that... TT said NO, he doesnt care, so its stonewalling. He could have said, I look into it, or something along the line to show some interest. Ship lovers click here
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:41:00 - [128] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:22:35 Originally by: Helganstandt I was just some friendly advice not to take it so seriously, because a game isn't worth stressing out over. You underestimate how much I love EVE. Originally by: sartorii CCP can.. maybe you should apply for a job.. until then STFU you've got nothing that even qualifies as 'evidence' there. I'd have to move to iceland to access a website... kinda silly just like your crusade on this forum. 1.Find your Email client. 2.Collect your 'evidence'. 3.Mail it to CCP ([email protected]) 4.Wait. This thread is little more than slander against IAC because we refused to give you information on a member corp? OFC we did. why? here is your .02 isk clue YOU ARE NOT IAC LEADERSHIP, YOU ARE NOT CCP. YOU WILL NOT BE GIVEN ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IAC CORPS EVER. It isnt 'stonewalling' it is basic alliance information security. You are no one you have no need to know despite your personal crusade. IAC will not help you joust against windmills take your tired donkey and go home. IAC takes no responsibility for any out of game action. IAC has nothing to 'come clean about' other than last nights hangover. Every IAC member agreed to the same EULA you did. IAC does not support violations of the EULA. The accusations of cheating and condoning cheating made by you and other posters in this thread are unfounded and offensive. There is a clearly outlined path for reporting EULA violations (referenced above in steps 1-4 for the slow) and it has nothing to do with this forum whatsoever. Good to see ISD upholding the highest standings of impartiality and honor by allowing these accusations to continue unmoderated. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:49:00 - [129] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:51:09 Originally by: sartorii just like your crusade on this forum. 1.Find your Email client. 2.Collect your 'evidence'. 3.Mail it to CCP ([email protected]) 4.Wait. I don't think the forum mods have anything to do with ingame issues with people selling ISK. So... wrong answer. Originally by: sartorii This thread is little more than slander against IAC because we refused to give you information on a member corp? OFC we did. why? here is your .02 isk clue A member corp which your leadership admits are probably isk sellers and even jokes that they put roofs over heads and rice on the table. Originally by: sartorii It isnt 'stonewalling' it is basic alliance information security. You are no one you have no need to know despite your personal crusade. IAC will not help you joust against windmills take your tired donkey and go home. In other words, IAC won't help me rid their alliance of a corp who probably exist to sell ISK because they are supplying free ISK to IAC. Originally by: sartorii IAC takes no responsibility for any out of game action. IAC has nothing to 'come clean about' other than last nights hangover. Every IAC member agreed to the same EULA you did. IAC does not support violations of the EULA. The accusations of cheating and condoning cheating made by you and other posters in this thread are unfounded and offensive. Hey, it's your alliance that's harboring them. That's what happens when you hire shady corporations into your alliance, and then even brag about it with no effort or attempt to get them banned for what you probably suspect they are doing. Originally by: sartorii There is a clearly outlined path for reporting EULA violations (referenced above in steps 1-4 for the slow) and it has nothing to do with this forum whatsoever. Good to see ISD upholding the highest standings of impartiality and honor by allowing these accusations to continue unmoderated. Reporting ingame EULA violations to the forum moderators probably isn't the right approach.
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:51:00 - [130] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 29/06/2007 23:33:36 Originally by: Mia Archer So basicaly the entire point of this thread is your too lazy to go look at killboards to get a member list yourself so we are stonewalling you? God knows its not like we have anything more important to do than spend time getting a list of members of a 70 man corp because 1 person asked for it... ya know like... fighting a huge multi alliance war... or anything like that... TT said NO, he doesnt care, so its stonewalling. He could have said, I look into it, or something along the line to show some interest. why should he care? you dont think hes busy enough with the thousands of other things he has to deal with that he doesnt give a rats ass about 1 person whos asking him for information? Its not stonewalling simply because he is too busy to bother with something that ONE person has asked him for that he has no interest in. And honestly ok so the killboard info isnt complete thats great, so instead of taking a partial list and sending that in to at least get rid of some of your "alleged isk sellers" your going to do absolutly nothing and just **** and moan? All or None attitudes like that dont really accomplish very much.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:55:00 - [131] Originally by: Hellspawn01 TT said NO, he doesnt care, so its stonewalling. He could have said, I look into it, or something along the line to show some interest. Originally by: Herculite Still while I applaud voogru for his efforts, I have to wonder where the heck CCP is in all this. Such transactions should be very easy to track and farmers easy to ban. If a player can find this stuff out, why are they still there? Very good question. Only CCP knows but I doubt they answer such important posts like these. ding ding we have a winner.. THIS is why TT didnt 'return his calls' ITS NOT HIS JOB, or his responsibility, and he has far better things to do with the in game time (that he pays for to enjoy eh??) than voogru apparently does. It is the exact same reason I do not Bughunt.. I'm a professional, I pay ccp to find bugs. I also pay CCP to find cheaters and remove them from the game. Enforcement of the EULA is CCPs task and no one else's, no one else has access to the information required or the authority to enforce and punish. If CCP wants a list of any IAC corp (or any other information) they can get it whenever they want. If a GM makes a request for information to IAC for any reason (not that they'd need to, they have far better tools to track violations than anyone else) it will be fully complied with by IAC. YOU will be laughed at, and fired on when encountered in space. You have no authority whatsoever and your personal crusade is meaningless to Internet Space Warfare. Which is what most of use are here to play. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 23:56:00 - [132] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 23:57:13 Originally by: Mia Archer why should he care? you dont think hes busy enough with the thousands of other things he has to deal with that he doesnt give a rats ass about 1 person whos asking him for information? Its not stonewalling simply because he is too busy to bother with something that ONE person has asked him for that he has no interest in. And honestly ok so the killboard info isnt complete thats great, so instead of taking a partial list and sending that in to at least get rid of some of your "alleged isk sellers" your going to do absolutly nothing and just ** and moan? All or None attitudes like that dont really accomplish very much. Why should he care? Cause threads like this happen when I get stonewalled by an alliance or a corporation, which is a rare event. Corporations usually welcome me when I point out farmers (along with evidence) in their corp. Quote:** It is the exact same reason I do not Bughunt.. I'm a professional, I pay ccp to find bugs. I also pay CCP to find cheaters and remove them from the game. Enforcement of the EULA is CCPs task and no one else's, no one else has access to the information required or the authority to enforce and punish. I can instantly make this personal. How would you feel if you took a serious loss ingame because of a player that bought ISK from the very same farmers your harboring? You would of course have no way of knowing it. But it could happen.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:00:00 - [133] Originally by: voogru In other words, IAC won't help me rid their alliance of a corp who probably exist to sell ISK because they are supplying free ISK to IAC. no more accurately. It's not our job. It's not your job. We do not police if anyone else is running a macro or otherwise violating the EULA. It's not why we play the game. It is apparently why you do.. so have fun, but dont expect anything but laughter at you for wasting your time and money. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:02:00 - [134] Man, if it were BoB harbouring isk farmers, you Coalition guys would be foaming at the mouth, but since it's one of your own, you say it's ok? cough hypocrites cough voogru: keep up the good work man.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:07:00 - [135] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 00:10:22 Originally by: sartorii no more accurately. It's not our job. It's not your job. We do not police if anyone else is running a macro or otherwise violating the EULA. It's not why we play the game. It is apparently why you do.. so have fun, but dont expect anything but laughter at you for wasting your time and money. You don't need to police anyone when one of your alliance leaders openly admits that they are probably ISK sellers and continues to take their ISK while never doing anything to get them banned. I never said the word macro so I don't know where that came from, I never acused them of being macros, infact I stay away from the word macro because most of the time it's the wrong term. Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Man, if it were BoB harbouring isk farmers, you Coalition guys would be foaming at the mouth, but since it's one of your own, you say it's ok? cough hypocrites cough voogru: keep up the good work man. Just wait until I find one of their enemy alliances harboring farmers & stonewalling me and they will all be crying foul then, maybe this will serve as a good example what happens when you harbor blatant farmers in your alliance.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:10:00 - [136] Originally by: voogru Just wait until I find one of their enemy alliances harboring farmers & stonewalling me and they will all be crying foul then, maybe this will serve as a good example what happens when you harbor blatant farmers in your alliance. No doubt.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:11:00 - [137] Originally by: voogru Originally by: sartorii no more accurately. It's not our job. It's not your job. We do not police if anyone else is running a macro or otherwise violating the EULA. It's not why we play the game. It is apparently why you do.. so have fun, but dont expect anything but laughter at you for wasting your time and money. You don't need to police anyone when one of your alliance leaders openly admits that they are probably ISK sellers and continues to take their ISK while never doing anything to get them banned. I never said the word macro so I don't know where that came from, I never acused them of being macros, infact I stay away from the word macro because most of the time it's the wrong term. TT has 'openly admitted' nothing of the sort. YOU have continually said so.. constantly accusing them of cheating and yet this thread remains unlocked. sad show of bias but unfortunately expected We know they like to Rat... ALOT.. we know their English sucks. So what.. we DONT KNOW anything else.. nor is our job to.. They pay their fees to join the alliance like any other member corp. if you can PROVE anything more.. contact CCP.. i'm sure your familiar with the process. however your continued accusations are meaningless in terms of any corps relationship to IAC. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:13:00 - [138] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: voogru Just wait until I find one of their enemy alliances harboring farmers & stonewalling me and they will all be crying foul then, maybe this will serve as a good example what happens when you harbor blatant farmers in your alliance. No doubt. why? isk farming is perfectly legal and has been going on for YEARS! omg voogru's head has gotten to big for his capital ship if he thinks "what he wants" (aka i'm being stonewalled) means anything to anyone who not in his corp. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:13:00 - [139] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 00:12:53 Originally by: sartorii TT has 'openly admitted' nothing of the sort. YOU have continually said so.. constantly accusing them of cheating and yet this thread remains unlocked. sad show of bias but unfortunately expected Here you go. Originally by: sartorii why? isk farming is perfectly legal and has been going on for YEARS! omg voogru's head has gotten to big for his capital ship if he thinks "what he wants" (aka i'm being stonewalled) means anything to anyone who not in his corp. You know what I mean when I say ISK Farming. I mean farming ISK for the purpose of RMT.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:17:00 - [140] Edited by: sartorii on 30/06/2007 00:17:09 Edited by: sartorii on 30/06/2007 00:16:39 you tool.. that is a joke it is an open admission of nothing. Chinese sweat shops DO feed people.. but that doesn't mean that anyone in IAC is working in one, or that we are responsible for anyone in china if they are. get a clue if you think TT took any of your convo or mails seriously.... 6 pages of unmoderated slander and baseless accusations... *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:19:00 - [141] Originally by: Ariwa Anybody else find IAC's attempts to justify their harboring of isk farmers hilarious? haboring NPCers? OMG... oh noes... they are after you Jim Lovell.... *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Lady Khanid Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:20:00 - [142] Edited by: Lady Khanid on 30/06/2007 00:21:04 Puts a grin on my face, if by harbouring "them" you means sending them to BoB space to Rat and deny them 1 Bil a week, well i suppose we are... As for what they use the isk for, it isn't my problem - thats CCP's. Vigilante mobs might sound cool but normally they do more damage than good, hence why most people with any savvy allow those with the tools, experience and knowledge to deal with such things (IE the appropriate Authority) who should be allowed to do their job unhindered by the uneducuated masses.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:22:00 - [143] Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: sartorii The accusations of cheating and condoning cheating made by you and other posters in this thread are unfounded and offensive. Lol, that's actually pretty funny. here is your .02 isk clue.. Quote: un+found+ed (ŭn-foun'dĭd) pronunciation adj. 1. Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. See synonyms at baseless. 2. Not yet established. http://www.answers.com/unfounded&r=67 *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Grim Faust Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:26:00 - [144] Originally by: sartorii Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: sartorii The accusations of cheating and condoning cheating made by you and other posters in this thread are unfounded and offensive. Lol, that's actually pretty funny. here is your .02 isk clue.. Quote: un+found+ed (ŭn-foun'dĭd) pronunciation adj. 1. Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. See synonyms at baseless. 2. Not yet established. http://www.answers.com/unfounded&r=67 I wasn't poking fun at your spelling, I was more amused with your notion. You putting up the definition is even better though. __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =(
Ariwa Eris Corporation Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:26:00 - [145] Originally by: sartorii Originally by: Ariwa Anybody else find IAC's attempts to justify their harboring of isk farmers hilarious? haboring NPCers? OMG... oh noes... they are after you Jim Lovell.... NPCers are fine. RMT's are not. Again you purposefully (and inelegantly) try to misunderstand the argument. Like I said, funny.
Tony Benn Dawn of War	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:27:00 - [146] Edited by: Tony Benn on 30/06/2007 00:25:34 Quote: Vigilante mobs might sound cool but normally they do more damage than good, hence why most people with any savvy allow those with the tools, experience and knowledge to deal with such things (IE the appropriate Authority) who should be allowed to do their job unhindered by the uneducuated masses. I'll assume from this comment that there have been the relevant petitions filed by those members of IAC who "suspected" this corporation's involvement in RMT?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:27:00 - [147] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 00:27:01 Originally by: sartorii you tool.. that is a joke it is an open admission of nothing. Chinese sweat shops DO feed people.. but that doesn't mean that anyone in IAC is working in one, or that we are responsible for anyone in china if they are. get a clue if you think TT took any of your convo or mails seriously.... 6 pages of unmoderated slander and baseless accusations... Funny... I could have swore theres other people posting stuff related to TT opening admitting they are "chinese sweatshops" Ooohh yeah.... Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evil's Dawn Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There's room for more chinese sweatshops in IAC !!1 Seriously tho, it was about time something entertaining happened Ummm....are you actually joking? Because the amount of IAC cloaking-farming-ss'ing Ravens killed in Delve have been plentiful to say the least in the past few days. I like chinese sweatshops, who else would pay IAC to NPC in Delve ? Xelas eviction Molle thread.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:30:00 - [148] Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: sartorii Originally by: Grim Faust Originally by: sartorii The accusations of cheating and condoning cheating made by you and other posters in this thread are unfounded and offensive. Lol, that's actually pretty funny. here is your .02 isk clue.. Quote: un+found+ed (ŭn-foun'dĭd) pronunciation adj. 1. Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. See synonyms at baseless. 2. Not yet established. http://www.answers.com/unfounded&r=67 I wasn't poking fun at your spelling, I was more amused with your notion. You putting up the definition is even better though. and where exactly has anyone established that anyone is selling isk? or why IAC is responsible for any member or corp who personally violates the EULA? Not established. Baseless. pretty damn accurate. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:33:00 - [149] Originally by: Ariwa Originally by: sartorii Originally by: Ariwa Anybody else find IAC's attempts to justify their harboring of isk farmers hilarious? haboring NPCers? OMG... oh noes... they are after you Jim Lovell.... NPCers are fine. RMT's are not. Again you purposefully (and inelegantly) try to misunderstand the argument. actually i'm being accurate. why you insist on typing 'isk farmers' (perfectly legal) instead of 'isk sellers' is beyond me. IAC does not knowingly support ISK Selling or any other violations of the EULA. The continual accusations otherwise are offensive. Just as offensive as if I were to create a post that said "Ariwa" is a MACRO!!! yet somehow ISD continues to allow posters to accuse IAC of 'knowingly harboring cheaters' without repercussions. *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.30 00:35:00 - [150] Edited by: voogru on 30/06/2007 00:42:47 Originally by: sartorii and where exactly has anyone established that anyone is selling isk? or why IAC is responsible for any member or corp who personally violates the EULA? Not established. Baseless. pretty damn accurate. See the problem is theres no way to post 100% evidence by your standards because I am not omnipotent. I look for patterns in behavior, how they name their characters, the way they talk or lack thereof and their contract history and various other methods. I can only come up to a reasonable conclusion that is 90%-95% accurate. IAC is not responsible for the farmer corporation actions, they are however responsible for: 1. Harboring them under the IAC flag despite the evidence against them. 2. Harboring even when one of the leaders openly admits and brags about them being a sweatshop. 3. Not cooperating with me in an effort to gather evidence in order to petition them to get them banned, if they actually cooperated it would also help determine if they were really even ISK Farmers/sellers/whatever. Why do they protect them? I think it might have to do with that 1 billion ISK a week, this is understandable. They want to protect their interests. Originally by: sartorii IAC does not knowingly support ISK Selling or any other violations of the EULA. The continual accusations otherwise are offensive. Just as offensive as if I were to create a post that said "Ariwa" is a MACRO!!! Which explains why you don't like this thread because it presents evidence that they may be ISK sellers and then in your head it might lead you to believe they are sellers. But instead you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore it, because after all your alliance is making money from them. Do me a favor, investigate them yourself and then come up to your own conclusion. And then tell me why they arent ISK sellers.

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